Re: Talking GPS Apps

[Robert Doc Wright]

My favorite is Seeing eye GPS
You can test it for $5.99 for as often as you like.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lehmann, Timothy A" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 7:36 AM
Subject: Talking GPS Apps



Any suggestions for talking GPS Apps, which can be instaled on an iPhone. I 
am looking for some that are completely compatible with Voice Over. Thanks 
and have a nice day!



Tim Lehmann
Access Specialist
Student Affairs
Missouri State University
Meyer Library 111G
901 South National Avenue
Springfield, Missouri 65897
Office 417-836-4248 Fax 417-836-3158
mailto:timlehm...@missouristate.edu

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dropbox not working with mBraille and no response from tech 
support


CAUTION: External Sender


Exactly what happens when you try to use the dot Open command, which 
normally pops up the screen with the files from your Dropbox MBraille 
folder?


I have had different issues over the years with MBraille and Dropbox working 
together. I can say that everything is working fine for me running ios 14.4.


Other than deleting and reinstalling your apps, you can also try this, which 
solved my issue last time.


1, Make a backup of all of the files in your MBraille folder in Dropbox, 
moving them to a different location within Dropbox.

2, Delete the MBraille folder from Dropbox.
3, Within the MBraille app, turn off syncing with Dropbox, then clear it 
from your app switcher.
4, Start the MBraille app and turn back on syncing with Dropbox. MBraille 
should automatically create a new MBraille folder in Dropbox.
5, TYPE something in MBraille and save it so it will be saved to the 
MBraille folder in Dropbox. This is just testing to see if it works.
6, If the save is successful, then use the dot open command to see if you 
can open the file you just saved.
7, If both is successful, then you should be all set, so you can then copy 
and paste all of the files you use to have in the MBraille folder to the new 
one just created.


Hopefully this is helpful and will work!

Chris



On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:53 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

Hi all,

Anyone knows what happened to mBraille support?
I sent messages to the feedback list and never got them or any replies. I 
did check the spam.


I also went to their contact form online and sent a message. But the page 
never gave a confirmation that it was received  nor did I hear back from 
them... Very sad to see this app flag like this.


My dropbox support stopped working. I uninstalled app and reinstalled with 
no luck. I also turned off and back on the db setting in the mBraille app.
So now I have no aliases, no syncing of documents and no way to reach out 
to developer...

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Ioana


Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Talking GPS Apps

[Richard Turner]

I think you will find that TomTom for a blind person is not a good choice, 
while Google Maps is more user friendly than Apple Maps, though both are fine.
I use Google Maps because it is so, so easy to flick through your route before 
you leave to get some of it in your head before leaving the house, whether 
being the navigator for a driver, or just walking.

Apple Maps is getting better in revealing the steps of the route, but it is 
just easier to do in Google Maps.




Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking GPS Apps

Yeah tim,

Two I can think o f that are great,
One is apple maps,

And the other is google maps,

 I use the google maps all the time as it's great in new Zealand for getting 
around either in car or walking,

 If you want something better than that then you need to go to the tomtom or 
similar type thing.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lehmann, 
Timothy A
Sent: Friday, 12 February 2021 3:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Talking GPS Apps


Any suggestions for talking GPS Apps, which can be instaled on an iPhone. I am 
looking for some that are completely compatible with Voice Over. Thanks and 
have a nice day!


Tim Lehmann
Access Specialist
Student Affairs
Missouri State University
Meyer Library 111G
901 South National Avenue
Springfield, Missouri 65897
Office 417-836-4248   Fax 417-836-3158
mailto:timlehm...@missouristate.edu

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dropbox not working with mBraille and no response from tech support

CAUTION: External Sender


Exactly what happens when you try to use the dot Open command, which normally 
pops up the screen with the files from your Dropbox MBraille folder?

I have had different issues over the years with MBraille and Dropbox working 
together. I can say that everything is working fine for me running ios 14.4.

Other than deleting and reinstalling your apps, you can also try this, which 
solved my issue last time.

1, Make a backup of all of the files in your MBraille folder in Dropbox, moving 
them to a different location within Dropbox.
2, Delete the MBraille folder from Dropbox.
3, Within the MBraille app, turn off syncing with Dropbox, then clear it from 
your app switcher.
4, Start the MBraille app and turn back on syncing with Dropbox. MBraille 
should automatically create a new MBraille folder in Dropbox.
5, TYPE something in MBraille and save it so it will be saved to the MBraille 
folder in Dropbox. This is just testing to see if it works.
6, If the save is successful, then use the dot open command to see if you can 
open the file you just saved.
7, If both is successful, then you should be all set, so you can then copy and 
paste all of the files you use to have in the MBraille folder to the new one 
just created.

Hopefully this is helpful and will work!

Chris


> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:53 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Anyone knows what happened to mBraille support?
> I sent messages to the feedback list and never got them or any replies. I did 
> check the spam.
>
> I also went to their contact form online and sent a message. But the page 
> never gave a confirmation that it was received  nor did I hear back from 
> them... Very sad to see this app flag like this.
>
> My dropbox support stopped working. I uninstalled app and reinstalled with no 
> luck. I also turned off and back on the db setting in the mBraille app.
> So now I have no aliases, no syncing of documents and no way to reach out to 
> developer...
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ioana
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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RE: Talking GPS Apps

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah tim,

Two I can think o f that are great,
One is apple maps,

And the other is google maps,

 I use the google maps all the time as it's great in new Zealand for getting 
around either in car or walking,

 If you want something better than that then you need to go to the tomtom or 
similar type thing.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lehmann, 
Timothy A
Sent: Friday, 12 February 2021 3:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Talking GPS Apps


Any suggestions for talking GPS Apps, which can be instaled on an iPhone. I am 
looking for some that are completely compatible with Voice Over. Thanks and 
have a nice day!


Tim Lehmann
Access Specialist
Student Affairs
Missouri State University
Meyer Library 111G
901 South National Avenue
Springfield, Missouri 65897
Office 417-836-4248   Fax 417-836-3158
mailto:timlehm...@missouristate.edu

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dropbox not working with mBraille and no response from tech support

CAUTION: External Sender


Exactly what happens when you try to use the dot Open command, which normally 
pops up the screen with the files from your Dropbox MBraille folder?

I have had different issues over the years with MBraille and Dropbox working 
together. I can say that everything is working fine for me running ios 14.4.

Other than deleting and reinstalling your apps, you can also try this, which 
solved my issue last time.

1, Make a backup of all of the files in your MBraille folder in Dropbox, moving 
them to a different location within Dropbox.
2, Delete the MBraille folder from Dropbox.
3, Within the MBraille app, turn off syncing with Dropbox, then clear it from 
your app switcher.
4, Start the MBraille app and turn back on syncing with Dropbox. MBraille 
should automatically create a new MBraille folder in Dropbox.
5, TYPE something in MBraille and save it so it will be saved to the MBraille 
folder in Dropbox. This is just testing to see if it works.
6, If the save is successful, then use the dot open command to see if you can 
open the file you just saved.
7, If both is successful, then you should be all set, so you can then copy and 
paste all of the files you use to have in the MBraille folder to the new one 
just created.

Hopefully this is helpful and will work!

Chris


> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:53 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Anyone knows what happened to mBraille support?
> I sent messages to the feedback list and never got them or any replies. I did 
> check the spam.
>
> I also went to their contact form online and sent a message. But the page 
> never gave a confirmation that it was received  nor did I hear back from 
> them... Very sad to see this app flag like this.
>
> My dropbox support stopped working. I uninstalled app and reinstalled with no 
> luck. I also turned off and back on the db setting in the mBraille app.
> So now I have no aliases, no syncing of documents and no way to reach out to 
> developer...
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ioana
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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RE: Talking GPS Apps

[Richard Turner]

The great thing about combining apps like SoundScape, and Google Maps or Apple 
Maps is that it's all free.
Of course, so is Nearby Explorer, etc.
Back in the day when I was working for the rehabilitation program for the blind 
I got to use the Sendero GPS with the BrailleNote PK, which was a fabulous and 
compact solution.
Of course, if I had to buy that package, it would have been over $5000.
Now, for the cost of an iPhone, you have more and better GPS options in your 
hand.

Good luck with the snow shoveling app, grin.


Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Thomas 
Frank
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 1:00 PM
To: VIPhone via 
Cc: Tom Frank 
Subject: Re: Talking GPS Apps

I use nearby explorer when I am giving my wife driving directions. For walking 
around the neighborhood, I use Sound Scape by Microsoft. I just checked out 
Apple Maps again and it still seems to be quite accessible. You can also use a 
combination. For example, if you are walking in unfamiliar territory, plot out 
your route with Apple Maps or google Maps. Then use Sound Scape to help you 
find each street. Poi and crosswalk on your journey. Happy walking. 
Unfortunately, here in Northern Vermont, none of these apps shovel snow off the 
sidewalks or spread sand and salt on ice. Maybe in the future.
Thomas Frank
vermont...@gmail.com



> On Feb 11, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Lazarillo is free.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C7e84ab5deabf49cf68ec08d8ced00f94%7
> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637486740289123022%7CUnkno
> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=As%2BjvpUsvWWlKM%2B4kUza1WupJiFL8%2F7BM
> UWm2tM2lLE%3Dreserved=0
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Andy Baracco
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Talking GPS Apps
> 
> So many i wouldn't know where to start.  I like lazarillo.  It is either free 
> or very low cost.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lehmann, Timothy A" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 6:36 AM
> Subject: Talking GPS Apps
> 
> 
> 
> Any suggestions for talking GPS Apps, which can be instaled on an 
> iPhone. I am looking for some that are completely compatible with 
> Voice Over. Thanks and have a nice day!
> 
> 
> Tim Lehmann
> Access Specialist
> Student Affairs
> Missouri State University
> Meyer Library 111G
> 901 South National Avenue
> Springfield, Missouri 65897
> Office 417-836-4248 Fax 417-836-3158
> mailto:timlehm...@missouristate.edu
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Chris Chaffin
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 8:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dropbox not working with mBraille and no response from 
> tech support
> 
> CAUTION: External Sender
> 
> 
> Exactly what happens when you try to use the dot Open command, which 
> normally pops up the screen with the files from your Dropbox MBraille 
> folder?
> 
> I have had different issues over the years with MBraille and Dropbox 
> working together. I can say that everything is working fine for me running 
> ios 14.4.
> 
> Other than deleting and reinstalling your apps, you can also try this, 
> which solved my issue last time.
> 
> 1, Make a backup of all of the files in your MBraille folder in 
> Dropbox, moving them to a different location within Dropbox.
> 2, Delete the MBraille folder from Dropbox.
> 3, Within the MBraille app, turn off syncing with Dropbox, then clear 
> it from your app switcher.
> 4, Start the MBraille app and turn back on syncing with Dropbox. 
> MBraille should automatically create a new MBraille folder in Dropbox.
> 5, TYPE something in MBraille and save it so it will be saved to the 
> MBraille folder in Dropbox. This is just testing to see if it works.
> 6, If the save is successful, then use the dot open command to see if 
> you can open the file you just saved.
> 7, If both is successful, then you should be all set, so you can then 
> copy and paste all of the files you use to have in the MBraille folder 
> to the new one just created.
> 
> Hopefully this is helpful and will work!
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
&

Re: Talking GPS Apps

[Thomas Frank]

I use nearby explorer when I am giving my wife driving directions. For walking 
around the neighborhood, I use Sound Scape by Microsoft. I just checked out 
Apple Maps again and it still seems to be quite accessible. You can also use a 
combination. For example, if you are walking in unfamiliar territory, plot out 
your route with Apple Maps or google Maps. Then use Sound Scape to help you 
find each street. Poi and crosswalk on your journey. Happy walking. 
Unfortunately, here in Northern Vermont, none of these apps shovel snow off the 
sidewalks or spread sand and salt on ice. Maybe in the future.
Thomas Frank
vermont...@gmail.com



> On Feb 11, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Lazarillo is free.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
> Baracco
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Talking GPS Apps
> 
> So many i wouldn't know where to start.  I like lazarillo.  It is either free 
> or very low cost.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lehmann, Timothy A" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 6:36 AM
> Subject: Talking GPS Apps
> 
> 
> 
> Any suggestions for talking GPS Apps, which can be instaled on an iPhone. I 
> am looking for some that are completely compatible with Voice Over. Thanks 
> and have a nice day!
> 
> 
> Tim Lehmann
> Access Specialist
> Student Affairs
> Missouri State University
> Meyer Library 111G
> 901 South National Avenue
> Springfield, Missouri 65897
> Office 417-836-4248 Fax 417-836-3158
> mailto:timlehm...@missouristate.edu
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
> Chaffin
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 8:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dropbox not working with mBraille and no response from tech 
> support
> 
> CAUTION: External Sender
> 
> 
> Exactly what happens when you try to use the dot Open command, which 
> normally pops up the screen with the files from your Dropbox MBraille 
> folder?
> 
> I have had different issues over the years with MBraille and Dropbox working 
> together. I can say that everything is working fine for me running ios 14.4.
> 
> Other than deleting and reinstalling your apps, you can also try this, which 
> solved my issue last time.
> 
> 1, Make a backup of all of the files in your MBraille folder in Dropbox, 
> moving them to a different location within Dropbox.
> 2, Delete the MBraille folder from Dropbox.
> 3, Within the MBraille app, turn off syncing with Dropbox, then clear it 
> from your app switcher.
> 4, Start the MBraille app and turn back on syncing with Dropbox. MBraille 
> should automatically create a new MBraille folder in Dropbox.
> 5, TYPE something in MBraille and save it so it will be saved to the 
> MBraille folder in Dropbox. This is just testing to see if it works.
> 6, If the save is successful, then use the dot open command to see if you 
> can open the file you just saved.
> 7, If both is successful, then you should be all set, so you can then copy 
> and paste all of the files you use to have in the MBraille folder to the new 
> one just created.
> 
> Hopefully this is helpful and will work!
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:53 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Anyone knows what happened to mBraille support?
>> I sent messages to the feedback list and never got them or any replies. I 
>> did check the spam.
>> 
>> I also went to their contact form online and sent a message. But the page 
>> never gave a confirmation that it was received  nor did I hear back from 
>> them... Very sad to see this app flag like this.
>> 
>> My dropbox support stopped working. I uninstalled app and reinstalled with 
>> no luck. I also turned off and back on the db setting in the mBraille app.
>> So now I have no aliases, no syncing of documents and no way to reach out 
>> to developer...
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
>> list.
>> 
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>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting 

RE: Talking GPS Apps

[Richard Turner]

Lazarillo is free.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking GPS Apps

So many i wouldn't know where to start.  I like lazarillo.  It is either free 
or very low cost.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Lehmann, Timothy A" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 6:36 AM
Subject: Talking GPS Apps



Any suggestions for talking GPS Apps, which can be instaled on an iPhone. I 
am looking for some that are completely compatible with Voice Over. Thanks 
and have a nice day!


Tim Lehmann
Access Specialist
Student Affairs
Missouri State University
Meyer Library 111G
901 South National Avenue
Springfield, Missouri 65897
Office 417-836-4248 Fax 417-836-3158
mailto:timlehm...@missouristate.edu

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dropbox not working with mBraille and no response from tech 
support

CAUTION: External Sender


Exactly what happens when you try to use the dot Open command, which 
normally pops up the screen with the files from your Dropbox MBraille 
folder?

I have had different issues over the years with MBraille and Dropbox working 
together. I can say that everything is working fine for me running ios 14.4.

Other than deleting and reinstalling your apps, you can also try this, which 
solved my issue last time.

1, Make a backup of all of the files in your MBraille folder in Dropbox, 
moving them to a different location within Dropbox.
2, Delete the MBraille folder from Dropbox.
3, Within the MBraille app, turn off syncing with Dropbox, then clear it 
from your app switcher.
4, Start the MBraille app and turn back on syncing with Dropbox. MBraille 
should automatically create a new MBraille folder in Dropbox.
5, TYPE something in MBraille and save it so it will be saved to the 
MBraille folder in Dropbox. This is just testing to see if it works.
6, If the save is successful, then use the dot open command to see if you 
can open the file you just saved.
7, If both is successful, then you should be all set, so you can then copy 
and paste all of the files you use to have in the MBraille folder to the new 
one just created.

Hopefully this is helpful and will work!

Chris


> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:53 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Anyone knows what happened to mBraille support?
> I sent messages to the feedback list and never got them or any replies. I 
> did check the spam.
>
> I also went to their contact form online and sent a message. But the page 
> never gave a confirmation that it was received  nor did I hear back from 
> them... Very sad to see this app flag like this.
>
> My dropbox support stopped working. I uninstalled app and reinstalled with 
> no luck. I also turned off and back on the db setting in the mBraille app.
> So now I have no aliases, no syncing of documents and no way to reach out 
> to developer...
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ioana
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Talking GPS Apps

[Andy Baracco]

So many i wouldn't know where to start.  I like lazarillo.  It is either 
free or very low cost.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Lehmann, Timothy A" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 6:36 AM
Subject: Talking GPS Apps



Any suggestions for talking GPS Apps, which can be instaled on an iPhone. I 
am looking for some that are completely compatible with Voice Over. Thanks 
and have a nice day!



Tim Lehmann
Access Specialist
Student Affairs
Missouri State University
Meyer Library 111G
901 South National Avenue
Springfield, Missouri 65897
Office 417-836-4248 Fax 417-836-3158
mailto:timlehm...@missouristate.edu

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dropbox not working with mBraille and no response from tech 
support


CAUTION: External Sender


Exactly what happens when you try to use the dot Open command, which 
normally pops up the screen with the files from your Dropbox MBraille 
folder?


I have had different issues over the years with MBraille and Dropbox working 
together. I can say that everything is working fine for me running ios 14.4.


Other than deleting and reinstalling your apps, you can also try this, which 
solved my issue last time.


1, Make a backup of all of the files in your MBraille folder in Dropbox, 
moving them to a different location within Dropbox.

2, Delete the MBraille folder from Dropbox.
3, Within the MBraille app, turn off syncing with Dropbox, then clear it 
from your app switcher.
4, Start the MBraille app and turn back on syncing with Dropbox. MBraille 
should automatically create a new MBraille folder in Dropbox.
5, TYPE something in MBraille and save it so it will be saved to the 
MBraille folder in Dropbox. This is just testing to see if it works.
6, If the save is successful, then use the dot open command to see if you 
can open the file you just saved.
7, If both is successful, then you should be all set, so you can then copy 
and paste all of the files you use to have in the MBraille folder to the new 
one just created.


Hopefully this is helpful and will work!

Chris



On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:53 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

Hi all,

Anyone knows what happened to mBraille support?
I sent messages to the feedback list and never got them or any replies. I 
did check the spam.


I also went to their contact form online and sent a message. But the page 
never gave a confirmation that it was received  nor did I hear back from 
them... Very sad to see this app flag like this.


My dropbox support stopped working. I uninstalled app and reinstalled with 
no luck. I also turned off and back on the db setting in the mBraille app.
So now I have no aliases, no syncing of documents and no way to reach out 
to developer...

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Ioana


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Re: Talking GPS Apps

[Gradimir Kragić]

Hi,

My suggestions is  Loadstone GPS is a powerful, easy-to-use app that
enables blind pedestrians to "go blindly where everyone sighted has gone
before." It is designed by the blind, for the blind, specifically for those
who use Voiceover. Initially launched in July 2017, Version 1.4 hit the App
Store in August 2019 and includes the much-requested turn-by-turn
navigation function. The User Guide was thoroughly revised for Version 1.4.
Two subsequent versions were released later in 2019 to address bug fixes
resulting from the IOS 13 updates.

More information:
http://loadstone-gps.com/

AppleStore:
https://apps.apple.com/app/loadstone-gps/id1162529723


From: "Lehmann, Timothy A" 
To: 
Subject: Talking GPS Apps



Any suggestions for talking GPS Apps, which can be instaled on an iPhone. I
am looking for some that are completely compatible with Voice Over. Thanks
and have a nice day!


Tim Lehmann
Access Specialist
Student Affairs
Missouri State University
Meyer Library 111G
901 South National Avenue
Springfield, Missouri 65897
Office 417-836-4248 Fax 417-836-3158
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RE: Talking GPS Apps

[deidreandlouise]

Mine is working just fine too. 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brad 
Snyder
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking GPS Apps

I have Nearby Explore on my iPhone, and from what I can tell it's still works 
as it always has. I'm updating its map database right now. I see no reason why 
you can't use it if you want to. I certainly am.

- Brad -

On Feb 11, 2021, at 12:45, Beverly Wieland  wrote:

If you download Good Maps, do you need to delete Nearby Explorer?
I downloaded Nearby Explorer in July, 2019, and was planning to learn to use it 
as soon as time permits.
But now some of their maps might be getting outdated.

Should I just start with the Good Maps manual, assuming there is one, and 
forget about Nearby Explorer?

Thanks in advance for the advice,
Beverly Wieland


On Thu, 11 Feb 2021, Nimer Jaber wrote:

> Hello Deidre,
> 
> The setting you are looking for to control shops is the increase and 
> decrease buttons at the top of the app. Also, you should know that the 
> app is no longer being supported, and new users cannot download it any longer.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:16 AM  wrote:
> 
>> I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many 
>> offerings out there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 
>> different GPS or scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and 
>> way better than Apps we all tested out over the last ten years, I 
>> stick to them. Long gone is KNFB Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and 
>> Blind Square which I must not have tweaked easily enough to use with 
>> great ease. I haven't looked at it in years, so I'm not sure how it 
>> works now. I admire the techs and adaptive tech consultants on this 
>> list, and  their thoroughness in checking out the many different Apps 
>> is impressive, and I am grateful to have access to their body of knowledge 
>> and their willingness to share it.
>> 
>> I use Nearby Explorer On-Line. It's free and easy and very vocal. I 
>> don't know if you can mark a route but it will tell you when you 
>> change direction which I find essential at times I get turned around, 
>> or my dog takes me on a detour when we are on a recreational walk.
>> 
>> In my town, I know the streets throughout the entire city. I can tell 
>> which side of a street I am on based on even and odd number 
>> addresses, which is useful for when I've crossed a street 
>> unknowingly, like in my neighborhood where it's sometimes hard to 
>> tell where the corner is this time of year due to messy clumps of 
>> snow and low traffic flow. At night when temperatures plummet around 
>> here, I make sure I have my phone charged and in my pocket with 
>> cellular data and location tracking already turned on.  If my dog 
>> decides she wants a longer walk, and does not default to our usual 
>> turns, well, with not a soul to be found on the street, in a split 
>> second I can open Nearby Explorer and turn her around and insist on 
>> getting home
>> 
>> I am told the names of streets when they are nearby, and I get block 
>> number info like 1-33 or 36-59, and that's cool.
>> 
>>   One thing I'd definitely like to limit is hearing 
>> locations such as shops that are at quite a distance away from where 
>> I am, like as far away as a whole block but I'm not sure which 
>> setting it is. I think it did exist in the full App I once had on my 
>> phone, but I'm not sure about the newer On-Line App. It is an App you 
>> download so I'm not sure how the On-Line version differs from the older App.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *Deidre*
>> 
>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On 
>> Behalf Of *Richard Turner
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:21 AM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Talking GPS Apps
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more 
>> detailed walking directions for visually impaired.
>> 
>> Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple 
>> Maps, Google Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.
>> 
>> Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was 
>> paid to have maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn 
>> by turn directions, maps are stored in the cloud  It shows up as 
>> Explore on the iPhone..
>> 
>> Microsoft Soundscape is very popular, especially if you have bone 
>> conduction headphones since it speaks out of the side closest to the 
&

Re: Talking GPS Apps

[Brad Snyder]

I have Nearby Explore on my iPhone, and from what I can tell it's still works 
as it always has. I'm updating its map database right now. I see no reason why 
you can't use it if you want to. I certainly am.

- Brad -

On Feb 11, 2021, at 12:45, Beverly Wieland  wrote:

If you download Good Maps, do you need to delete Nearby Explorer?
I downloaded Nearby Explorer in July, 2019, and was planning to learn to use it 
as soon as time permits.
But now some of their maps might be getting outdated.

Should I just start with the Good Maps manual, assuming there is one, and 
forget about Nearby Explorer?

Thanks in advance for the advice,
Beverly Wieland


On Thu, 11 Feb 2021, Nimer Jaber wrote:

> Hello Deidre,
> 
> The setting you are looking for to control shops is the increase and
> decrease buttons at the top of the app. Also, you should know that the app
> is no longer being supported, and new users cannot download it any longer.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:16 AM  wrote:
> 
>> I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many offerings
>> out there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 different GPS
>> or scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and way better than
>> Apps we all tested out over the last ten years, I stick to them. Long gone
>> is KNFB Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and Blind Square which I must not
>> have tweaked easily enough to use with great ease. I haven't looked at it
>> in years, so I'm not sure how it works now. I admire the techs and adaptive
>> tech consultants on this list, and  their thoroughness in checking out the
>> many different Apps is impressive, and I am grateful to have access to
>> their body of knowledge and their willingness to share it.
>> 
>> I use Nearby Explorer On-Line. It's free and easy and very vocal. I don't
>> know if you can mark a route but it will tell you when you change direction
>> which I find essential at times I get turned around, or my dog takes me on
>> a detour when we are on a recreational walk.
>> 
>> In my town, I know the streets throughout the entire city. I can tell
>> which side of a street I am on based on even and odd number addresses,
>> which is useful for when I've crossed a street unknowingly, like in my
>> neighborhood where it's sometimes hard to tell where the corner is this
>> time of year due to messy clumps of snow and low traffic flow. At night
>> when temperatures plummet around here, I make sure I have my phone charged
>> and in my pocket with cellular data and location tracking already turned
>> on.  If my dog decides she wants a longer walk, and does not default to our
>> usual turns, well, with not a soul to be found on the street, in a split
>> second I can open Nearby Explorer and turn her around and insist on getting
>> home
>> 
>> I am told the names of streets when they are nearby, and I get block
>> number info like 1-33 or 36-59, and that's cool.
>> 
>>   One thing I'd definitely like to limit is hearing locations
>> such as shops that are at quite a distance away from where I am, like as
>> far away as a whole block but I'm not sure which setting it is. I think it
>> did exist in the full App I once had on my phone, but I'm not sure about
>> the newer On-Line App. It is an App you download so I'm not sure how the
>> On-Line version differs from the older App.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *Deidre*
>> 
>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
>> *Richard Turner
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:21 AM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Talking GPS Apps
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more detailed
>> walking directions for visually impaired.
>> 
>> Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple Maps,
>> Google Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.
>> 
>> Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was paid to
>> have maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn by turn
>> directions, maps are stored in the cloud  It shows up as Explore on the
>> iPhone..
>> 
>> Microsoft Soundscape is very popular, especially if you have bone
>> conduction headphones since it speaks out of the side closest to the
>> street/business, etc.  So you get real orientation.
>> 
>> Seeing Eye GPS is the Cadillac of GPS apps for the blind at $200.
>> 
>> Lazarillo is also an excellent, free, orientation app and can do its own
>> walki

RE: Talking GPS Apps

[Richard Turner]

No, they can coexist.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Beverly 
Wieland
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:45 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Talking GPS Apps

If you download Good Maps, do you need to delete Nearby Explorer?
I downloaded Nearby Explorer in July, 2019, and was planning to learn to use it 
as soon as time permits.
But now some of their maps might be getting outdated.

Should I just start with the Good Maps manual, assuming there is one, and 
forget about Nearby Explorer?

Thanks in advance for the advice,
Beverly Wieland


On Thu, 11 Feb 2021, Nimer Jaber wrote:

> Hello Deidre,
>
> The setting you are looking for to control shops is the increase and 
> decrease buttons at the top of the app. Also, you should know that the 
> app is no longer being supported, and new users cannot download it any longer.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:16 AM  wrote:
>
>> I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many 
>> offerings out there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 
>> different GPS or scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and 
>> way better than Apps we all tested out over the last ten years, I 
>> stick to them. Long gone is KNFB Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and 
>> Blind Square which I must not have tweaked easily enough to use with 
>> great ease. I haven't looked at it in years, so I'm not sure how it 
>> works now. I admire the techs and adaptive tech consultants on this 
>> list, and  their thoroughness in checking out the many different Apps 
>> is impressive, and I am grateful to have access to their body of knowledge 
>> and their willingness to share it.
>>
>> I use Nearby Explorer On-Line. It's free and easy and very vocal. I 
>> don't know if you can mark a route but it will tell you when you 
>> change direction which I find essential at times I get turned around, 
>> or my dog takes me on a detour when we are on a recreational walk.
>>
>> In my town, I know the streets throughout the entire city. I can tell 
>> which side of a street I am on based on even and odd number 
>> addresses, which is useful for when I've crossed a street 
>> unknowingly, like in my neighborhood where it's sometimes hard to 
>> tell where the corner is this time of year due to messy clumps of 
>> snow and low traffic flow. At night when temperatures plummet around 
>> here, I make sure I have my phone charged and in my pocket with 
>> cellular data and location tracking already turned on.  If my dog 
>> decides she wants a longer walk, and does not default to our usual 
>> turns, well, with not a soul to be found on the street, in a split 
>> second I can open Nearby Explorer and turn her around and insist on 
>> getting home
>>
>> I am told the names of streets when they are nearby, and I get block 
>> number info like 1-33 or 36-59, and that's cool.
>>
>>One thing I'd definitely like to limit is hearing 
>> locations such as shops that are at quite a distance away from where 
>> I am, like as far away as a whole block but I'm not sure which 
>> setting it is. I think it did exist in the full App I once had on my 
>> phone, but I'm not sure about the newer On-Line App. It is an App you 
>> download so I'm not sure how the On-Line version differs from the older App.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Deidre*
>>
>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On 
>> Behalf Of *Richard Turner
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:21 AM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Talking GPS Apps
>>
>>
>>
>> Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.
>>
>> Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more 
>> detailed walking directions for visually impaired.
>>
>> Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple 
>> Maps, Google Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.
>>
>> Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was 
>> paid to have maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn 
>> by turn directions, maps are stored in the cloud  It shows up as 
>> Explore on the iPhone..
>>
>> Microsoft Soundscape is very popular, especially if you have bone 
>> conduction headphones since it speaks out of the side closest to the 
>> street/business, etc.  So you get real orientation.
>>
>> Seeing Eye GPS is the Cadillac of GPS apps for the blind at $200.
>>

RE: Talking GPS Apps

[Richard Turner]

This doesn’t spell it out exactly, but here is a news release, followed by a 
link to the new company created by APH, Access Explore.
For Immediate Release
Mike May Joins Access Explorer Team as Chief Evangelist
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (July 9, 2019) – Mike May, a pioneer in accessible navigation, 
has joined the
Access Explorer Team (an incorporated company owned by American Printing House 
for the
Blind). May brings experience that will help the company continue to lead the 
way in accessible
navigation.
“Mike has more than 25 years of experience in accessible indoor wayfinding and 
literally
originated this effort in the US. There is nobody with more experience or 
passion for accessible
indoor navigation than Mike,” says Access Explorer CEO, Jose Gaztambide. “He’s 
an incredible
leader and human being, and everybody at Access Explorer and the indoor 
navigation industry
will benefit from his commitment and presence.”
Mike will help the Access Explorer company develop partnerships, identify 
resources to help
expand its mission, and ensure Access Explorer’s work meets the highest 
standard of
accessibility.
“I’ve been learning how to navigate since I was blinded from an explosion at 
age 3, and have
worked on accessible navigation as a profession since the mid 90s,” explains 
May. “The timing
for indoor navigation to be adopted by the public is now – it’s the newest 
frontier. I believe the
Access Explorer company is poised to make sure accessibility is part of that 
breakthrough, and I
look forward to being part of this important mission.”
The Nearby Explorer app was created by the non-profit, American Printing House 
for the Blind
(APH). For 161 years APH has developed products for people who are blind and 
visually
impaired. As the popularity of Nearby Explorer grew, APH saw the need to take 
the app and
concept to the next level. In March of this year, after a period of studying 
the business need and
feasibility, and developing unique approaches to solving the obstacles to 
indoor navigation, APH
formed the new for-profit corporation: Access Explorer, Inc.
To schedule an interview, or visit or learn more about Access Explorer, contact 
Jonathan Wahl
at 502-216-9075 or jw...@aph.org<mailto:jw...@aph.org> 
jw...@aph.org<mailto:jw...@aph.org>.
About Access Explorer, Inc.
Through technology, Access Explorer ensures people who are blind or visually 
impaired can
independently navigate through venues and easily locate entrances, elevators, 
restrooms and
other points of interest. For more information, please visit 
www.accessexplorer.net<http://www.accessexplorer.net>
or go directly to https://www.goodmaps.com/

But over a year and a half ago, APH said Nearby Explorer would no longer be 
developed, but will work for some time to come.
I cannot find that, but you could of course, ask APH directly.


Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Johna 
Gravitt
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking GPS Apps

I’m a bit confused here, I use Nearby explorer on a regular basis and did not 
know it was being taken over  by Good maps.  Since when?
I have both apps on my phone

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 12:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Talking GPS Apps

Diedra,
You may want to check out Good Maps Explorer which is taking the place of 
Nearby Explorer.
It will show up simply as Explorer on your phone.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C006438eef4064e15fd3f08d8cebac151%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637486648787601369%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=qn%2Bn6oEO8byOPrPvByxDpE2FacUHSpHLf8GqSFfPl5s%3D=0>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Talking GPS Apps

I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many offerings out 
there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 different GPS or 
scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and way better than Apps we 
all tested out over the last ten years, I stick to them. Long gone is KNFB 
Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and

Re: Talking GPS Apps

[Beverly Wieland]

If you download Good Maps, do you need to delete Nearby Explorer?
I downloaded Nearby Explorer in July, 2019, and was planning to learn to 
use it as soon as time permits.

But now some of their maps might be getting outdated.

Should I just start with the Good Maps manual, assuming there is one, and 
forget about Nearby Explorer?


Thanks in advance for the advice,
Beverly Wieland


On Thu, 11 Feb 2021, Nimer Jaber wrote:


Hello Deidre,

The setting you are looking for to control shops is the increase and
decrease buttons at the top of the app. Also, you should know that the app
is no longer being supported, and new users cannot download it any longer.

Thanks.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:16 AM  wrote:


I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many offerings
out there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 different GPS
or scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and way better than
Apps we all tested out over the last ten years, I stick to them. Long gone
is KNFB Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and Blind Square which I must not
have tweaked easily enough to use with great ease. I haven't looked at it
in years, so I'm not sure how it works now. I admire the techs and adaptive
tech consultants on this list, and  their thoroughness in checking out the
many different Apps is impressive, and I am grateful to have access to
their body of knowledge and their willingness to share it.

I use Nearby Explorer On-Line. It's free and easy and very vocal. I don't
know if you can mark a route but it will tell you when you change direction
which I find essential at times I get turned around, or my dog takes me on
a detour when we are on a recreational walk.

In my town, I know the streets throughout the entire city. I can tell
which side of a street I am on based on even and odd number addresses,
which is useful for when I've crossed a street unknowingly, like in my
neighborhood where it's sometimes hard to tell where the corner is this
time of year due to messy clumps of snow and low traffic flow. At night
when temperatures plummet around here, I make sure I have my phone charged
and in my pocket with cellular data and location tracking already turned
on.  If my dog decides she wants a longer walk, and does not default to our
usual turns, well, with not a soul to be found on the street, in a split
second I can open Nearby Explorer and turn her around and insist on getting
home

I am told the names of streets when they are nearby, and I get block
number info like 1-33 or 36-59, and that's cool.

   One thing I'd definitely like to limit is hearing locations
such as shops that are at quite a distance away from where I am, like as
far away as a whole block but I'm not sure which setting it is. I think it
did exist in the full App I once had on my phone, but I'm not sure about
the newer On-Line App. It is an App you download so I'm not sure how the
On-Line version differs from the older App.



*Deidre*

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
*Richard Turner
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:21 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Talking GPS Apps



Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.

Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more detailed
walking directions for visually impaired.

Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple Maps,
Google Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.

Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was paid to
have maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn by turn
directions, maps are stored in the cloud  It shows up as Explore on the
iPhone..

Microsoft Soundscape is very popular, especially if you have bone
conduction headphones since it speaks out of the side closest to the
street/business, etc.  So you get real orientation.

Seeing Eye GPS is the Cadillac of GPS apps for the blind at $200.

Lazarillo is also an excellent, free, orientation app and can do its own
walking directions, as well as launch other maps for turn by turn
driving/riding directions.

MapQuest is good in the United States, but not as user friendly as the
others.



But again, they all work fine with VoiceOver.







Richard



Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
realize that you are in a hurry.





My web site, www.turner42.com







*From:* orbit-rea...@groups.io  *On Behalf Of *Lehmann,
Timothy A
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2021 4:54 AM
*To:* orbit-rea...@groups.io
*Subject:* [orbit-reader] Talking GPS's





Any suggestions for a talking GPS-App which can be downloaded to an
iPhone? I am trying to find one that is fully accessible using Voice Over.
Thanks and have a nice day!



Tim Lehmann

Access Specialist

Student Affairs

Missouri State University

Meyer Library 111G

901 South National Avenue

Springfield, Missouri 65897

Office 417-836-4248   Fax 417-836-3158

mailto:timlehm...@missouristate.edu 



*From:* orb

RE: Talking GPS Apps

[Johna Gravitt]

I’m a bit confused here, I use Nearby explorer on a regular basis and did not 
know it was being taken over  by Good maps.  Since when?
I have both apps on my phone

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 12:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking GPS Apps

Diedra,
You may want to check out Good Maps Explorer which is taking the place of 
Nearby Explorer.
It will show up simply as Explorer on your phone.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Talking GPS Apps

I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many offerings out 
there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 different GPS or 
scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and way better than Apps we 
all tested out over the last ten years, I stick to them. Long gone is KNFB 
Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and Blind Square which I must not have tweaked 
easily enough to use with great ease. I haven't looked at it in years, so I'm 
not sure how it works now. I admire the techs and adaptive tech consultants on 
this list, and  their thoroughness in checking out the many different Apps is 
impressive, and I am grateful to have access to their body of knowledge and 
their willingness to share it.
I use Nearby Explorer On-Line. It's free and easy and very vocal. I don't know 
if you can mark a route but it will tell you when you change direction which I 
find essential at times I get turned around, or my dog takes me on a detour 
when we are on a recreational walk.
In my town, I know the streets throughout the entire city. I can tell which 
side of a street I am on based on even and odd number addresses, which is 
useful for when I've crossed a street unknowingly, like in my neighborhood 
where it's sometimes hard to tell where the corner is this time of year due to 
messy clumps of snow and low traffic flow. At night when temperatures plummet 
around here, I make sure I have my phone charged and in my pocket with cellular 
data and location tracking already turned on.  If my dog decides she wants a 
longer walk, and does not default to our usual turns, well, with not a soul to 
be found on the street, in a split second I can open Nearby Explorer and turn 
her around and insist on getting home
I am told the names of streets when they are nearby, and I get block number 
info like 1-33 or 36-59, and that's cool.
   One thing I'd definitely like to limit is hearing locations such 
as shops that are at quite a distance away from where I am, like as far away as 
a whole block but I'm not sure which setting it is. I think it did exist in the 
full App I once had on my phone, but I'm not sure about the newer On-Line App. 
It is an App you download so I'm not sure how the On-Line version differs from 
the older App.

Deidre
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Talking GPS Apps

Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.
Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more detailed walking 
directions for visually impaired.
Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple Maps, Google 
Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.
Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was paid to have 
maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn by turn directions, 
maps are stored in the cloud  It shows up as Explore on the iPhone..
Microsoft Soundscape is very popular, especially if you have bone conduction 
headphones since it speaks out of the side closest to the street/business, etc. 
 So you get real orientation.
Seeing Eye GPS is the Cadillac of GPS apps for the blind at $200.
Lazarillo is also an excellent, free, orientation app and can do its own 
walking directions, as well as launch other maps for turn by turn 
driving/riding directions.
MapQuest is good in the United States, but not as user friendly as the others.

But again, they all work fine with VoiceOver.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7Cd4f876f805574252553a08d8ceb0c1ae%7C84df9e7f

RE: Talking GPS Apps

[Richard Turner]

Good to know.
I only used it for a short time before the whole Covid lock down happened.
My wife drives us where we need to go and if she needs GPS help I use Google 
Maps.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Nimer 
Jaber
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:29 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Talking GPS Apps

Yes, but if you can still use Nearby Explorer, don't bother with GoodMaps. In 
fact, if you can use pretty much any other GPS app, don't bother with GoodMaps. 
Maybe one day, but not now. It is as worthless as worthless gets.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:27 AM Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
That is because good Maps Explore has taken its place.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C13858bc04e554aeea2ca08d8ceb2a2c4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637486613923642922%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=PhjXEBSW4sSR0lsuKkVv5b%2Fqca2l9wVy6u1niLt2LfM%3D=0>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Nimer 
Jaber
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:25 AM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Talking GPS Apps

Hello Deidre,

The setting you are looking for to control shops is the increase and decrease 
buttons at the top of the app. Also, you should know that the app is no longer 
being supported, and new users cannot download it any longer.

Thanks.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:16 AM 
mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many offerings out 
there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 different GPS or 
scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and way better than Apps we 
all tested out over the last ten years, I stick to them. Long gone is KNFB 
Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and Blind Square which I must not have tweaked 
easily enough to use with great ease. I haven't looked at it in years, so I'm 
not sure how it works now. I admire the techs and adaptive tech consultants on 
this list, and  their thoroughness in checking out the many different Apps is 
impressive, and I am grateful to have access to their body of knowledge and 
their willingness to share it.
I use Nearby Explorer On-Line. It's free and easy and very vocal. I don't know 
if you can mark a route but it will tell you when you change direction which I 
find essential at times I get turned around, or my dog takes me on a detour 
when we are on a recreational walk.
In my town, I know the streets throughout the entire city. I can tell which 
side of a street I am on based on even and odd number addresses, which is 
useful for when I've crossed a street unknowingly, like in my neighborhood 
where it's sometimes hard to tell where the corner is this time of year due to 
messy clumps of snow and low traffic flow. At night when temperatures plummet 
around here, I make sure I have my phone charged and in my pocket with cellular 
data and location tracking already turned on.  If my dog decides she wants a 
longer walk, and does not default to our usual turns, well, with not a soul to 
be found on the street, in a split second I can open Nearby Explorer and turn 
her around and insist on getting home
I am told the names of streets when they are nearby, and I get block number 
info like 1-33 or 36-59, and that's cool.
   One thing I'd definitely like to limit is hearing locations such 
as shops that are at quite a distance away from where I am, like as far away as 
a whole block but I'm not sure which setting it is. I think it did exist in the 
full App I once had on my phone, but I'm not sure about the newer On-Line App. 
It is an App you download so I'm not sure how the On-Line version differs from 
the older App.

Deidre
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Talking GPS Apps

Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.
Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more detailed walking 
directions for visually impaired.
Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple Maps, Google 
Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.
Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was paid to have 
maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn by turn directi

Re: Talking GPS Apps

[Nimer Jaber]

Yes, but if you can still use Nearby Explorer, don't bother with GoodMaps.
In fact, if you can use pretty much any other GPS app, don't bother with
GoodMaps. Maybe one day, but not now. It is as worthless as worthless gets.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:27 AM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> That is because good Maps Explore has taken its place.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>
>
>
>
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Nimer Jaber
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:25 AM
> *To:* Viphone 
> *Subject:* Re: Talking GPS Apps
>
>
>
> Hello Deidre,
>
>
>
> The setting you are looking for to control shops is the increase and
> decrease buttons at the top of the app. Also, you should know that the app
> is no longer being supported, and new users cannot download it any longer.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:16 AM  wrote:
>
> I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many offerings
> out there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 different GPS
> or scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and way better than
> Apps we all tested out over the last ten years, I stick to them. Long gone
> is KNFB Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and Blind Square which I must not
> have tweaked easily enough to use with great ease. I haven't looked at it
> in years, so I'm not sure how it works now. I admire the techs and adaptive
> tech consultants on this list, and  their thoroughness in checking out the
> many different Apps is impressive, and I am grateful to have access to
> their body of knowledge and their willingness to share it.
>
> I use Nearby Explorer On-Line. It's free and easy and very vocal. I don't
> know if you can mark a route but it will tell you when you change direction
> which I find essential at times I get turned around, or my dog takes me on
> a detour when we are on a recreational walk.
>
> In my town, I know the streets throughout the entire city. I can tell
> which side of a street I am on based on even and odd number addresses,
> which is useful for when I've crossed a street unknowingly, like in my
> neighborhood where it's sometimes hard to tell where the corner is this
> time of year due to messy clumps of snow and low traffic flow. At night
> when temperatures plummet around here, I make sure I have my phone charged
> and in my pocket with cellular data and location tracking already turned
> on.  If my dog decides she wants a longer walk, and does not default to our
> usual turns, well, with not a soul to be found on the street, in a split
> second I can open Nearby Explorer and turn her around and insist on getting
> home
>
> I am told the names of streets when they are nearby, and I get block
> number info like 1-33 or 36-59, and that's cool.
>
>One thing I'd definitely like to limit is hearing locations
> such as shops that are at quite a distance away from where I am, like as
> far away as a whole block but I'm not sure which setting it is. I think it
> did exist in the full App I once had on my phone, but I'm not sure about
> the newer On-Line App. It is an App you download so I'm not sure how the
> On-Line version differs from the older App.
>
>
>
> *Deidre*
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:21 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Talking GPS Apps
>
>
>
> Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.
>
> Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more detailed
> walking directions for visually impaired.
>
> Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple Maps,
> Google Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.
>
> Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was paid to
> have maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn by turn
> directions, maps are stored in the cloud  It shows up as Explore on the
> iPhone..
>
> Microsoft Soundscape is very popular, especially if you have bone
> conduction headphones since it speaks out of the side closest to the
> street/business, etc.  So you get real orientation.
>
> Seeing Eye GPS is the Cadillac of GPS apps for the blind at $200.
>
> Lazarillo is also an excellent, free, orientation app and can do its own
> walking directions, as well as launch other maps for turn by turn
> driving/riding directions.
>
> MapQuest is good in the United States, but not as user friendly as t

Re: Talking GPS Apps

[Nimer Jaber]

GoodMaps Explore sucks, and has a long, long, lng way to go before
it gets anywhere remotely close to offering what Nearby Explorer offers.
I'm sorry, but it's the truth. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is. And
before anyone asks, I have been in contact with their team and I have
provided feedback, plenty of it. Better stick to BlindSquare or
Soundscapes, as both of those work much better than the worthless GoodMaps
or, in my view, HorribleMaps.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:25 AM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> Diedra,
>
> You may want to check out Good Maps Explorer which is taking the place of
> Nearby Explorer.
>
> It will show up simply as Explorer on your phone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>
>
>
>
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *deidreandlou...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:16 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Talking GPS Apps
>
>
>
> I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many offerings
> out there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 different GPS
> or scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and way better than
> Apps we all tested out over the last ten years, I stick to them. Long gone
> is KNFB Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and Blind Square which I must not
> have tweaked easily enough to use with great ease. I haven't looked at it
> in years, so I'm not sure how it works now. I admire the techs and adaptive
> tech consultants on this list, and  their thoroughness in checking out the
> many different Apps is impressive, and I am grateful to have access to
> their body of knowledge and their willingness to share it.
>
> I use Nearby Explorer On-Line. It's free and easy and very vocal. I don't
> know if you can mark a route but it will tell you when you change direction
> which I find essential at times I get turned around, or my dog takes me on
> a detour when we are on a recreational walk.
>
> In my town, I know the streets throughout the entire city. I can tell
> which side of a street I am on based on even and odd number addresses,
> which is useful for when I've crossed a street unknowingly, like in my
> neighborhood where it's sometimes hard to tell where the corner is this
> time of year due to messy clumps of snow and low traffic flow. At night
> when temperatures plummet around here, I make sure I have my phone charged
> and in my pocket with cellular data and location tracking already turned
> on.  If my dog decides she wants a longer walk, and does not default to our
> usual turns, well, with not a soul to be found on the street, in a split
> second I can open Nearby Explorer and turn her around and insist on getting
> home
>
> I am told the names of streets when they are nearby, and I get block
> number info like 1-33 or 36-59, and that's cool.
>
>One thing I'd definitely like to limit is hearing locations
> such as shops that are at quite a distance away from where I am, like as
> far away as a whole block but I'm not sure which setting it is. I think it
> did exist in the full App I once had on my phone, but I'm not sure about
> the newer On-Line App. It is an App you download so I'm not sure how the
> On-Line version differs from the older App.
>
>
>
> *Deidre*
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:21 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Talking GPS Apps
>
>
>
> Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.
>
> Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more detailed
> walking directions for visually impaired.
>
> Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple Maps,
> Google Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.
>
> Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was paid to
> have maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn by turn
> directions, maps are stored in the cloud  It shows up as Explore on the
> iPhone..
>
> Microsoft Soundscape is very popular, especially if you have bone
> conduction headphones since it speaks out of the side closest to the
> street/business, etc.  So you get real orientation.
>
> Seeing Eye GPS is the Cadillac of GPS apps for the blind at $200.
>
> Lazarillo is also an excellent, free, orientation app and can do its own
> walking directions, as well as launch other maps for turn by turn
> driving/riding directions.
>
> MapQuest is good in the United States, but not as user friendly as

RE: Talking GPS Apps

[Richard Turner]

That is because good Maps Explore has taken its place.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Nimer 
Jaber
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:25 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Talking GPS Apps

Hello Deidre,

The setting you are looking for to control shops is the increase and decrease 
buttons at the top of the app. Also, you should know that the app is no longer 
being supported, and new users cannot download it any longer.

Thanks.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:16 AM 
mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many offerings out 
there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 different GPS or 
scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and way better than Apps we 
all tested out over the last ten years, I stick to them. Long gone is KNFB 
Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and Blind Square which I must not have tweaked 
easily enough to use with great ease. I haven't looked at it in years, so I'm 
not sure how it works now. I admire the techs and adaptive tech consultants on 
this list, and  their thoroughness in checking out the many different Apps is 
impressive, and I am grateful to have access to their body of knowledge and 
their willingness to share it.
I use Nearby Explorer On-Line. It's free and easy and very vocal. I don't know 
if you can mark a route but it will tell you when you change direction which I 
find essential at times I get turned around, or my dog takes me on a detour 
when we are on a recreational walk.
In my town, I know the streets throughout the entire city. I can tell which 
side of a street I am on based on even and odd number addresses, which is 
useful for when I've crossed a street unknowingly, like in my neighborhood 
where it's sometimes hard to tell where the corner is this time of year due to 
messy clumps of snow and low traffic flow. At night when temperatures plummet 
around here, I make sure I have my phone charged and in my pocket with cellular 
data and location tracking already turned on.  If my dog decides she wants a 
longer walk, and does not default to our usual turns, well, with not a soul to 
be found on the street, in a split second I can open Nearby Explorer and turn 
her around and insist on getting home
I am told the names of streets when they are nearby, and I get block number 
info like 1-33 or 36-59, and that's cool.
   One thing I'd definitely like to limit is hearing locations such 
as shops that are at quite a distance away from where I am, like as far away as 
a whole block but I'm not sure which setting it is. I think it did exist in the 
full App I once had on my phone, but I'm not sure about the newer On-Line App. 
It is an App you download so I'm not sure how the On-Line version differs from 
the older App.

Deidre
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Talking GPS Apps

Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.
Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more detailed walking 
directions for visually impaired.
Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple Maps, Google 
Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.
Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was paid to have 
maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn by turn directions, 
maps are stored in the cloud  It shows up as Explore on the iPhone..
Microsoft Soundscape is very popular, especially if you have bone conduction 
headphones since it speaks out of the side closest to the street/business, etc. 
 So you get real orientation.
Seeing Eye GPS is the Cadillac of GPS apps for the blind at $200.
Lazarillo is also an excellent, free, orientation app and can do its own 
walking directions, as well as launch other maps for turn by turn 
driving/riding directions.
MapQuest is good in the United States, but not as user friendly as the others.

But again, they all work fine with VoiceOver.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C69c3003dd01044d9f46808d8ceb21847%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637486611599592342%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=hFoaCysoi%2FrlO84IBwZft2ihVuHpZdxHaf4brhA8tso%3D=0>



From: orbit-rea...@groups.io<mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io> 
mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Lehmann, 
Timot

Re: Talking GPS Apps

[Nimer Jaber]

Hello Deidre,

The setting you are looking for to control shops is the increase and
decrease buttons at the top of the app. Also, you should know that the app
is no longer being supported, and new users cannot download it any longer.

Thanks.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:16 AM  wrote:

> I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many offerings
> out there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 different GPS
> or scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and way better than
> Apps we all tested out over the last ten years, I stick to them. Long gone
> is KNFB Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and Blind Square which I must not
> have tweaked easily enough to use with great ease. I haven't looked at it
> in years, so I'm not sure how it works now. I admire the techs and adaptive
> tech consultants on this list, and  their thoroughness in checking out the
> many different Apps is impressive, and I am grateful to have access to
> their body of knowledge and their willingness to share it.
>
> I use Nearby Explorer On-Line. It's free and easy and very vocal. I don't
> know if you can mark a route but it will tell you when you change direction
> which I find essential at times I get turned around, or my dog takes me on
> a detour when we are on a recreational walk.
>
> In my town, I know the streets throughout the entire city. I can tell
> which side of a street I am on based on even and odd number addresses,
> which is useful for when I've crossed a street unknowingly, like in my
> neighborhood where it's sometimes hard to tell where the corner is this
> time of year due to messy clumps of snow and low traffic flow. At night
> when temperatures plummet around here, I make sure I have my phone charged
> and in my pocket with cellular data and location tracking already turned
> on.  If my dog decides she wants a longer walk, and does not default to our
> usual turns, well, with not a soul to be found on the street, in a split
> second I can open Nearby Explorer and turn her around and insist on getting
> home
>
> I am told the names of streets when they are nearby, and I get block
> number info like 1-33 or 36-59, and that's cool.
>
>One thing I'd definitely like to limit is hearing locations
> such as shops that are at quite a distance away from where I am, like as
> far away as a whole block but I'm not sure which setting it is. I think it
> did exist in the full App I once had on my phone, but I'm not sure about
> the newer On-Line App. It is an App you download so I'm not sure how the
> On-Line version differs from the older App.
>
>
>
> *Deidre*
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:21 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Talking GPS Apps
>
>
>
> Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.
>
> Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more detailed
> walking directions for visually impaired.
>
> Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple Maps,
> Google Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.
>
> Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was paid to
> have maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn by turn
> directions, maps are stored in the cloud  It shows up as Explore on the
> iPhone..
>
> Microsoft Soundscape is very popular, especially if you have bone
> conduction headphones since it speaks out of the side closest to the
> street/business, etc.  So you get real orientation.
>
> Seeing Eye GPS is the Cadillac of GPS apps for the blind at $200.
>
> Lazarillo is also an excellent, free, orientation app and can do its own
> walking directions, as well as launch other maps for turn by turn
> driving/riding directions.
>
> MapQuest is good in the United States, but not as user friendly as the
> others.
>
>
>
> But again, they all work fine with VoiceOver.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>
>
>
>
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* orbit-rea...@groups.io  *On Behalf Of 
> *Lehmann,
> Timothy A
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2021 4:54 AM
> *To:* orbit-rea...@groups.io
> *Subject:* [orbit-reader] Talking GPS's
>
>
>
>
>
> Any suggestions for a talking GPS-App which can be downloaded to an
> iPhone? I am trying to find one that is fully accessible using Voice Over.
> Thanks and have a nice day!
>
>
>
> Tim Lehmann
>
> Access Specialist
>
> Student Affairs
>
> Missouri State University
>
>

RE: Talking GPS Apps

[Richard Turner]

Diedra,
You may want to check out Good Maps Explorer which is taking the place of 
Nearby Explorer.
It will show up simply as Explorer on your phone.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking GPS Apps

I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many offerings out 
there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 different GPS or 
scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and way better than Apps we 
all tested out over the last ten years, I stick to them. Long gone is KNFB 
Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and Blind Square which I must not have tweaked 
easily enough to use with great ease. I haven't looked at it in years, so I'm 
not sure how it works now. I admire the techs and adaptive tech consultants on 
this list, and  their thoroughness in checking out the many different Apps is 
impressive, and I am grateful to have access to their body of knowledge and 
their willingness to share it.
I use Nearby Explorer On-Line. It's free and easy and very vocal. I don't know 
if you can mark a route but it will tell you when you change direction which I 
find essential at times I get turned around, or my dog takes me on a detour 
when we are on a recreational walk.
In my town, I know the streets throughout the entire city. I can tell which 
side of a street I am on based on even and odd number addresses, which is 
useful for when I've crossed a street unknowingly, like in my neighborhood 
where it's sometimes hard to tell where the corner is this time of year due to 
messy clumps of snow and low traffic flow. At night when temperatures plummet 
around here, I make sure I have my phone charged and in my pocket with cellular 
data and location tracking already turned on.  If my dog decides she wants a 
longer walk, and does not default to our usual turns, well, with not a soul to 
be found on the street, in a split second I can open Nearby Explorer and turn 
her around and insist on getting home
I am told the names of streets when they are nearby, and I get block number 
info like 1-33 or 36-59, and that's cool.
   One thing I'd definitely like to limit is hearing locations such 
as shops that are at quite a distance away from where I am, like as far away as 
a whole block but I'm not sure which setting it is. I think it did exist in the 
full App I once had on my phone, but I'm not sure about the newer On-Line App. 
It is an App you download so I'm not sure how the On-Line version differs from 
the older App.

Deidre
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Talking GPS Apps

Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.
Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more detailed walking 
directions for visually impaired.
Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple Maps, Google 
Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.
Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was paid to have 
maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn by turn directions, 
maps are stored in the cloud  It shows up as Explore on the iPhone..
Microsoft Soundscape is very popular, especially if you have bone conduction 
headphones since it speaks out of the side closest to the street/business, etc. 
 So you get real orientation.
Seeing Eye GPS is the Cadillac of GPS apps for the blind at $200.
Lazarillo is also an excellent, free, orientation app and can do its own 
walking directions, as well as launch other maps for turn by turn 
driving/riding directions.
MapQuest is good in the United States, but not as user friendly as the others.

But again, they all work fine with VoiceOver.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7Cd4f876f805574252553a08d8ceb0c1ae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637486605846055826%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=pmaGnCzBgC3l7ubG%2FWiADVYcB%2BPaI91Sz8t1uKsZO14%3D=0>



From: orbit-rea...@groups.io<mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io> 
mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Lehmann, 
Timothy A
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 4:54 AM
To: orbit-rea...@groups.io<mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io>
Subject: [orbit-reader] Talking GPS's


Any suggestions for a talking GPS-App which can be dow

RE: Talking GPS Apps

[deidreandlouise]

I have simplified my approach to making choices around the many offerings out 
there that offer me good accessibility. I do not need 3 different GPS or 
scanning Apps and if I find one that works well, and way better than Apps we 
all tested out over the last ten years, I stick to them. Long gone is KNFB 
Reader, Digitize, Seeing Eye, and Blind Square which I must not have tweaked 
easily enough to use with great ease. I haven't looked at it in years, so I'm 
not sure how it works now. I admire the techs and adaptive tech consultants on 
this list, and  their thoroughness in checking out the many different Apps is 
impressive, and I am grateful to have access to their body of knowledge and 
their willingness to share it.

I use Nearby Explorer On-Line. It's free and easy and very vocal. I don't know 
if you can mark a route but it will tell you when you change direction which I 
find essential at times I get turned around, or my dog takes me on a detour 
when we are on a recreational walk. 

In my town, I know the streets throughout the entire city. I can tell which 
side of a street I am on based on even and odd number addresses, which is 
useful for when I've crossed a street unknowingly, like in my neighborhood 
where it's sometimes hard to tell where the corner is this time of year due to 
messy clumps of snow and low traffic flow. At night when temperatures plummet 
around here, I make sure I have my phone charged and in my pocket with cellular 
data and location tracking already turned on.  If my dog decides she wants a 
longer walk, and does not default to our usual turns, well, with not a soul to 
be found on the street, in a split second I can open Nearby Explorer and turn 
her around and insist on getting home 

I am told the names of streets when they are nearby, and I get block number 
info like 1-33 or 36-59, and that's cool. 

   One thing I'd definitely like to limit is hearing locations such 
as shops that are at quite a distance away from where I am, like as far away as 
a whole block but I'm not sure which setting it is. I think it did exist in the 
full App I once had on my phone, but I'm not sure about the newer On-Line App. 
It is an App you download so I'm not sure how the On-Line version differs from 
the older App.

 

Deidre

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking GPS Apps

 

Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.

Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more detailed walking 
directions for visually impaired.

Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple Maps, Google 
Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.

Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was paid to have 
maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn by turn directions, 
maps are stored in the cloud  It shows up as Explore on the iPhone..

Microsoft Soundscape is very popular, especially if you have bone conduction 
headphones since it speaks out of the side closest to the street/business, etc. 
 So you get real orientation.

Seeing Eye GPS is the Cadillac of GPS apps for the blind at $200.

Lazarillo is also an excellent, free, orientation app and can do its own 
walking directions, as well as launch other maps for turn by turn 
driving/riding directions.

MapQuest is good in the United States, but not as user friendly as the others.

 

But again, they all work fine with VoiceOver.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com> 

 

 

 

From: orbit-rea...@groups.io <mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io>  
mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io> > On Behalf Of Lehmann, 
Timothy A
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 4:54 AM
To: orbit-rea...@groups.io <mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io> 
Subject: [orbit-reader] Talking GPS's

 

 

Any suggestions for a talking GPS-App which can be downloaded to an iPhone? I 
am trying to find one that is fully accessible using Voice Over. Thanks and 
have a nice day!

 

Tim Lehmann

Access Specialist

Student Affairs

Missouri State University

Meyer Library 111G

901 South National Avenue

Springfield, Missouri 65897

Office 417-836-4248   Fax 417-836-3158

mailto:timlehm...@missouristate.edu

 

From: orbit-rea...@groups.io <mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io>  
mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io> > On Behalf Of Josh 
Kennedy via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 4:34 PM
To: orbit-rea...@groups.io <mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io> 
Subject: Re: [orbit-reader] Suggestion for Audio Features in Orbit Reader 40

 

CAUTION: External Sender

 

You can use dectalk with NVDA with an addon. It works real good on windows10.  

 

 

 

On Feb 10, 2021, at 16:53, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com

RE: Talking GPS Apps

[Larry Lumpkin]

I used Blindsquare for years and loved it except for its not being able to 
analyze intersections.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lehmann, 
Timothy A
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 8:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Talking GPS Apps


Any suggestions for talking GPS Apps, which can be instaled on an iPhone. I am 
looking for some that are completely compatible with Voice Over. Thanks and 
have a nice day!


Tim Lehmann
Access Specialist
Student Affairs
Missouri State University
Meyer Library 111G
901 South National Avenue
Springfield, Missouri 65897
Office 417-836-4248   Fax 417-836-3158
mailto:timlehm...@missouristate.edu

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dropbox not working with mBraille and no response from tech support

CAUTION: External Sender


Exactly what happens when you try to use the dot Open command, which normally 
pops up the screen with the files from your Dropbox MBraille folder?

I have had different issues over the years with MBraille and Dropbox working 
together. I can say that everything is working fine for me running ios 14.4.

Other than deleting and reinstalling your apps, you can also try this, which 
solved my issue last time.

1, Make a backup of all of the files in your MBraille folder in Dropbox, moving 
them to a different location within Dropbox.
2, Delete the MBraille folder from Dropbox.
3, Within the MBraille app, turn off syncing with Dropbox, then clear it from 
your app switcher.
4, Start the MBraille app and turn back on syncing with Dropbox. MBraille 
should automatically create a new MBraille folder in Dropbox.
5, TYPE something in MBraille and save it so it will be saved to the MBraille 
folder in Dropbox. This is just testing to see if it works.
6, If the save is successful, then use the dot open command to see if you can 
open the file you just saved.
7, If both is successful, then you should be all set, so you can then copy and 
paste all of the files you use to have in the MBraille folder to the new one 
just created.

Hopefully this is helpful and will work!

Chris


> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:53 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Anyone knows what happened to mBraille support?
> I sent messages to the feedback list and never got them or any replies. I did 
> check the spam.
>
> I also went to their contact form online and sent a message. But the page 
> never gave a confirmation that it was received  nor did I hear back from 
> them... Very sad to see this app flag like this.
>
> My dropbox support stopped working. I uninstalled app and reinstalled with no 
> luck. I also turned off and back on the db setting in the mBraille app.
> So now I have no aliases, no syncing of documents and no way to reach out to 
> developer...
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ioana
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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RE: Talking GPS Apps

[Richard Turner]

Most GPS apps work fine with VoiceOver.
Google Maps is my go to GPS app.  There is a setting for more detailed walking 
directions for visually impaired.
Blind Square is a great app for orientation and can launch Apple Maps, Google 
Maps, and others to get turn by turn directions.
Good Maps Explore is the new version of the prior APH map that was paid to have 
maps stored locally.  It does both orientation and turn by turn directions, 
maps are stored in the cloud  It shows up as Explore on the iPhone..
Microsoft Soundscape is very popular, especially if you have bone conduction 
headphones since it speaks out of the side closest to the street/business, etc. 
 So you get real orientation.
Seeing Eye GPS is the Cadillac of GPS apps for the blind at $200.
Lazarillo is also an excellent, free, orientation app and can do its own 
walking directions, as well as launch other maps for turn by turn 
driving/riding directions.
MapQuest is good in the United States, but not as user friendly as the others.

But again, they all work fine with VoiceOver.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



From: orbit-rea...@groups.io 
mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Lehmann, 
Timothy A
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 4:54 AM
To: orbit-rea...@groups.io
Subject: [orbit-reader] Talking GPS's


Any suggestions for a talking GPS-App which can be downloaded to an iPhone? I 
am trying to find one that is fully accessible using Voice Over. Thanks and 
have a nice day!

Tim Lehmann
Access Specialist
Student Affairs
Missouri State University
Meyer Library 111G
901 South National Avenue
Springfield, Missouri 65897
Office 417-836-4248   Fax 417-836-3158
mailto:timlehm...@missouristate.edu

From: orbit-rea...@groups.io 
mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Josh 
Kennedy via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 4:34 PM
To: orbit-rea...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [orbit-reader] Suggestion for Audio Features in Orbit Reader 40

CAUTION: External Sender

You can use dectalk with NVDA with an addon. It works real good on windows10.



On Feb 10, 2021, at 16:53, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

The DeckTalk, and other hardware sythesizers that have been used with screen 
readers were not necessarily designed for the blind. They were also used for 
entertainment purposes and for early audimated phone systems.
Some of those voices are truly only for the novelty.
And the DeckTalk's ability to sing was a bit over the edge on silly, but very 
entertaining.
Especially when someone programmed it to sing Poisoning Pigeons in the Park by 
Tom Lehrer.


Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Christina V. 
mailto:bluebonnet1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
DecTalk is excellent!

I know it was used in all sorts of devices, BookPort original, the
Newsline, etc. I first encountered it in the Reading Edge, and I
really want to know, who's using Whispering Wendy? Haha Why include
all these odd voices, i can't imagine anyone liking a few of those?
But this is off topic now.

Christina V.

On 2/10/21, Pamela Dominguez 
mailto:pammygir...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Maybe more punctuation is needed, but since I’m not the one who wrote what
I’m reading, I can’t do anything about it. I use dec talk. Pam.

From: Christina V.
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 4:32 PM
To: orbit-rea...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [orbit-reader] Suggestion for Audio Features in Orbit Reader
40

Eloquence is more responsive than any other tts, I can read more
quickly with it. And it's sound is even, compared to other voices.

But I did laugh at the descriptions, above! If his pitch is getting
that low in a single sentence, more punctuation is needed.

eSpeak is fine, too, and my Iphone uses Fred. I've just stopped
reading with anything else but Fred or Eloquence, so no more listening
to recorded audio books, because of speed and the need to keep
adjusting the volume!

Christina V.

On 2/10/21, Larry Lumpkin 
mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>> wrote:

Eloquence is now and always has been my engine of choice for getting work
done.





From: orbit-rea...@groups.io 
mailto:orbit-rea...@groups.io>> On Behalf Of
Richard
Turner
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To: orbit-rea...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [orbit-reader] Suggestion for Audio Features in Orbit 

Re: Talking gps?

[David Chittenden]

Sorry, I meant Sendero is developing the app. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 09/08/2012, at 17:17, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Really?  That surprises me, as I wouldn't think The Seeing Eye would have the 
 programming knowledge to create an App of this nature.
 
 Les
 On Aug 9, 2012, at 12:07 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sendero is not involved with this app. Sendero has teamed up with the Seeing 
 Eye (the Seeing Eye is paying the development costs) and developing the 
 Seeing Eye GPS app.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 09/08/2012, at 13:35, Paul Ferrara paul.ferr...@insightbb.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone know if Sendero is involved with this app at all and if they 
 plan on producing another GPS app for the iPhone?
 
 Paul
 - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:25 PM
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 
 Watch for Looktel Breadcrumbs coming any day now.  It sounds like it's for 
 pedestrian travel primarily.  I have high hopes for this one, as routes can 
 be created and I have confidence that Looktel will produce a solid product. 
 They would have released in July, but they received a couple of suggestions 
 that they decided to implement based on feedback they received at the 
 conventions, so they have to re-submit to Apple for a second approval.  A 
 rep from Looktel said it should be out within a week.
 
 Les
 On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 
 Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create 
 routes and you can't get turn by turn directions.
 
 Andy
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Jordan Gallacher
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an 
 appointment
 in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
 really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
 well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
 even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the 
 use
 I get out of it.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Rob Harris
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
 choices.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 
 Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
 trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Ron Pelletier
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 Hi,
 
 I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
 battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
 with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
 and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.
 
 They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.
 
 HTH
 
 Ron
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Musiclady
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
 To: Viphone Email list
 Subject: bone conducting headphones
 
 I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
 Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
 Thanks.
 Steph
 
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Re: Talking gps?

[Andy Baracco]

But they have a lot of money!

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Les Kriegler

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Really?  That surprises me, as I wouldn't think The Seeing Eye would have 
the programming knowledge to create an App of this nature.


Les
On Aug 9, 2012, at 12:07 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

Sendero is not involved with this app. Sendero has teamed up with the 
Seeing Eye (the Seeing Eye is paying the development costs) and developing 
the Seeing Eye GPS app.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 09/08/2012, at 13:35, Paul Ferrara paul.ferr...@insightbb.com 
wrote:


Does anyone know if Sendero is involved with this app at all and if they 
plan on producing another GPS app for the iPhone?


Paul
- Original Message - From: Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Talking gps?


Watch for Looktel Breadcrumbs coming any day now.  It sounds like it's 
for pedestrian travel primarily.  I have high hopes for this one, as 
routes can be created and I have confidence that Looktel will produce a 
solid product. They would have released in July, but they received a 
couple of suggestions that they decided to implement based on feedback 
they received at the conventions, so they have to re-submit to Apple for 
a second approval.  A rep from Looktel said it should be out within a 
week.


Les
On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:

Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create 
routes and you can't get turn by turn directions.


Andy


-Original Message- From: Jordan Gallacher
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an 
appointment
in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner 
is
really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state 
as

well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the 
use

I get out of it.
Jordan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Rob Harris
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the 
first

choices.
- Original Message -
From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones


Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than 
the

trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones

Hi,

I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and 
the

battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with 
microphone

and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.

They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.

HTH

Ron

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Musiclady
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
To: Viphone Email list
Subject: bone conducting headphones

I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
Thanks.
Steph

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Re: Talking gps?

[Les Kriegler]

Well, someone has to fund it, a good role for The Seeing Eye.

Les
On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:

 But they have a lot of money!
 
 Andy
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Les Kriegler
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:17 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 Really?  That surprises me, as I wouldn't think The Seeing Eye would have the 
 programming knowledge to create an App of this nature.
 
 Les
 On Aug 9, 2012, at 12:07 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sendero is not involved with this app. Sendero has teamed up with the Seeing 
 Eye (the Seeing Eye is paying the development costs) and developing the 
 Seeing Eye GPS app.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 09/08/2012, at 13:35, Paul Ferrara paul.ferr...@insightbb.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone know if Sendero is involved with this app at all and if they 
 plan on producing another GPS app for the iPhone?
 
 Paul
 - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:25 PM
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 
 Watch for Looktel Breadcrumbs coming any day now.  It sounds like it's for 
 pedestrian travel primarily.  I have high hopes for this one, as routes can 
 be created and I have confidence that Looktel will produce a solid product. 
 They would have released in July, but they received a couple of suggestions 
 that they decided to implement based on feedback they received at the 
 conventions, so they have to re-submit to Apple for a second approval.  A 
 rep from Looktel said it should be out within a week.
 
 Les
 On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 
 Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create 
 routes and you can't get turn by turn directions.
 
 Andy
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Jordan Gallacher
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an 
 appointment
 in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
 really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
 well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
 even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the 
 use
 I get out of it.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Rob Harris
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
 choices.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 
 Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
 trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Ron Pelletier
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 Hi,
 
 I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
 battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
 with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
 and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.
 
 They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.
 
 HTH
 
 Ron
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Musiclady
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
 To: Viphone Email list
 Subject: bone conducting headphones
 
 I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
 Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
 Thanks.
 Steph
 
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Re: Talking gps?

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, I must agree here completely. While I have been in the Navigon camp 
for a long time, I just recently purchase MotionX GPS Drive to see if 
it's as good as others say. Because I'm used to Navigon's UI, I find 
MotionX a bit different to get used to, but I can also see that both 
have their place. Like with anything and everything in life, choosing a 
different app has both good and bad points. I like Navigon because of 
the one-time cost and because the maps are there for you to use. However 
I can see where MotionX can have the advantage of not using up as much 
space, especially good for those with smaller capacity phones. I do like 
the voice choices offered with MotionX gps more than the one which comes 
with Navigon, but voices are again, subjective. So far in the walk I did 
from my house to the local Walgreens, MotionX did a good job although it 
told me about the turn when I was right at the corner as opposed to 
Navigon warning me a couple hundred feet before.


I haven't yet decided which I like more, and to be fair, I will give 
MotionX gps a spin for a month to see if I will purchase the voice 
guidance beyond the 30 day trial.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
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he was any smarter! ~ Anonymous

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On 8/8/2012 3:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Jordan,

I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, Navigon
works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do mean blind or
visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used Navigon every day during a
vacation on Maui in March and it worked flawlessly every time and the
information it had including restaurants and POI's was very accurate. Based
on good reviews on here I recently tried Motion X GPS Drive and found it
much more difficult to use than Navigon, but I won't say it resembles fecal
matter because I am sure that with more practice it's quite usable. I
personally prefer paying upfront instead of an annual subscription and as
far as I know you also need a data connection for Motion X whereas navigon
maps are downloaded to the phone and since I don't necessarily have a data
connection when I travel to other countries that is a big advantage. How
well a GPS app works is subjective at best because there are quite a few
factors involved so it's probably a good idea to put things into perspective
by pointing out that while Navigon may not have worked well for you it's not
one of the leading GPS apps for no reason. I agree that it could be a lot
better both with respect to features as well as Voiceover, but it's very
useable and in combination with Sendero LookAround or Ariadne it does a
pretty good job especially since Ariadne now can run in the background.


Regards,
Sieghard



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Re: Talking gps?

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Just remember that someone's trash might be someone else's treasure. I 
understand your frustration if an app doesn't work for you. I myself 
have come across some apps which I personally felt they were a waste, 
yet they worked perfectly for others. Around me for example is an app I 
don't care for, but it has value to others who use it and like it. So, 
for me to say that Around me is crap would not be very fair.


However, like with all things in life, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

--
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name. - Evan Esar

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On 8/8/2012 4:18 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:

Well that is my story about Navigone and I will stick to it.  With the
number of things this app has wrong it should not even be around at this
point.  So my statement is and always will be that it is what I said it was.
Data assisted GPS seems to work better for the most part anyway.
Jordan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Hi Jordan,

I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, Navigon
works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do mean blind or
visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used Navigon every day during a
vacation on Maui in March and it worked flawlessly every time and the
information it had including restaurants and POI's was very accurate. Based
on good reviews on here I recently tried Motion X GPS Drive and found it
much more difficult to use than Navigon, but I won't say it resembles fecal
matter because I am sure that with more practice it's quite usable. I
personally prefer paying upfront instead of an annual subscription and as
far as I know you also need a data connection for Motion X whereas navigon
maps are downloaded to the phone and since I don't necessarily have a data
connection when I travel to other countries that is a big advantage. How
well a GPS app works is subjective at best because there are quite a few
factors involved so it's probably a good idea to put things into perspective
by pointing out that while Navigon may not have worked well for you it's not
one of the leading GPS apps for no reason. I agree that it could be a lot
better both with respect to features as well as Voiceover, but it's very
useable and in combination with Sendero LookAround or Ariadne it does a
pretty good job especially since Ariadne now can run in the background.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Talking gps?

[Raul A. Gallegos]

One more thing to add here. Navigon hasn't always been good for me 
either. In fact, I remember about a year back when I really needed it 
for a trip in Indianapolis and Navigon majorly failed on me. So I 
switched to using MapQuest for a while and it worked fine. However since 
then there have been a few updates to Navigon and it worked fine once 
again, and so I used it more. If I had something to complain about with 
Navigon, it would be that it's a resource hog MotionX GPS has the 
upper-hand there because it loads much faster and seems to be faster at 
responding in general. However Navigon, right now has MotionX GPS beat 
in that it tells me about upcoming turns with more warning that MotionX 
GPS. However I am also new to MotionX, and so will give it more of a run 
before I really decide how I feel.


--
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every time they try to count them.

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On 8/8/2012 5:35 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:

That is the trouble most blind people.  They are narrow minded.  .  They
think only one thing is the best.  I have stated other problems with this
app in the past.  Ariande, GPS Drive, Hop Stop are the main apps I use.
Heck with GPS Drive I don't even have to enter an address.  Just type in the
business name and most of the time I am going to the closest one in the
list.  Navigone used to be good, but it didn't even get my route right the
last time I used it for a route that I really needed it for.
Jordan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Bresnahan
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Hi,

Seconded.  If your major complaint with Navigon is the point of interest
database, that's sort of like complaining about a car because they don't
make it in the color you want.  The key to a GPS app is in route navigation
and directions.  If you enter an address, navigon does a great job of
getting you there.  I've never had issues with it getting me from point A to
point B.

If I have a complaint about navigon, it's in the destination entering user
interface.  That definately requires some practice time.  But, despite the
other post to the contrary, I've found the POI database fine for my needs,
and since it integrates with around me, and I can send POIs directly to
navigon from there, finding a point of interest is quite easy.

Also, if you can't stand address entry, the third party app called Navigon
Now, can make that part simple too.


So, if there are other issues with Navigon beyond it didn't have the
one point of interest I happened to be looking for, then by all
means, bring itt up an dlet's discuss.

--Scott
Prayer: begging a god to reconsider its plan.




Hi Jordan,

I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, Navigon
works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do mean blind or
visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used Navigon every day during a
vacation on Maui in March and it worked flawlessly every time and the
information it had including restaurants and POI's was very accurate. Based
on good reviews on here I recently tried Motion X GPS Drive and found it
much more difficult to use than Navigon, but I won't say it resembles fecal
matter because I am sure that with more practice it's quite usable. I
personally prefer paying upfront instead of an annual subscription and as
far as I know you also need a data connection for Motion X whereas navigon
maps are downloaded to the phone and since I don't necessarily have a data
connection when I travel to other countries that is a big advantage. How
well a GPS app works is subjective at best because there are quite a few
factors involved so it's probably a good idea to put things into

perspective

by pointing out that while Navigon may not have worked well for you it's

not

one of the leading GPS apps for no reason. I agree that it could be a lot
better both with respect to features as well as Voiceover, but it's very
useable and in combination with Sendero LookAround or Ariadne it does a
pretty good job especially since Ariadne now can run in the background.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Talking gps?

[Steve]

Hi,

I generally agree with the points outlined in David's post.  I would note 
the following, however:

My experience with a good GPS receiver and the Sendero product is quite 
different.  I have always, under everything except severe 
thunderstorms--which I can't comment on since I don't travel in severe 
storms, electing safe shelter instead--have received navigation accurate to 
about 20 meters (60 feet) at worst, and at least 95% of the time to better 
than 10 meters.

Second, database info is much more comprehensive and getting various updates 
is certainly easier.

I don't get as precise route info and the process of getting feedback on 
current location is not as easy for me using Navigon.  I also find that I 
need another couple apps like Ariadne to try to duplicate the navigation 
convenience available with the Sendero product.   I'm looking forward to 
what might be available with their Seeing Eye app.

I do certainly understgand that from a budgetary standpoint, this is a 
luxury.  Just my 2 cents.
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From: Raul A. Gallegos
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Talking gps?


David, thanks for the concise explanation of how GPS works. Too often I
see people, sighted or blind, who don't understand how it works and base
opinions on usability or lack there of and blame it on a specific app
when it may not be the app's fault to begin with. People need to
understand that there are multiple things involved, user interface, map
data, map data source, and points of interest just to name a few.

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On 8/9/2012 12:39 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
 Navigon and TomTom both do and are both accessible. That said:

 People continue having a very bad misconception about GPS. First, GPS uses 
 a database. The database has coordinates for streets and intersections, 
 but unless mild turns and swerves are properly plotted with coordinates in 
 the database, the app will draw a straight line. Maps are always being 
 updated, and commercial apps do not charge, or charge very little for 
 these updates. And, if you pay the slight charge, your database will be 
 updated every quarter. If not, your database will be updated annually. 
 Contrast this with the blindness specific GPS products where you get an 
 annual update for a cost which is higher than the total purchase price of 
 any of these apps, and that is an annual expense.

 Also, in most cases, the actual GPS coordinates for each address are not 
 in the database. Instead, the database has the starting address, the 
 ending address, and the number of addresses in the block. Therefore, the 
 announcement activates when you are a percentage distance down the block 
 that represents where your address would be if all addresses are equal 
 distance from each other. In other words, if there are 10 addresses on the 
 block and you are going to the fifth address, the system will alert when 
 you are half way down the block. However, if any address takes up more 
 than 10% of the distance, you will not find the correct address just by 
 using the GPS system - and this is the same whether you are using a 
 blindness specific system or a normal system.

 Then, there is the accuracy factor. At its best, GPS can be accurate to 5 
 metres (15 feet). Therefore, given that the front of an address can easily 
 be shorter than this distance, all GPS systems will only get you close to 
 your desired destination. You need good orientation and mobility skills to 
 find the actual location. And, if accuracy is more toward average, the 
 area is within 10 metres (30 feet). Oh, and this means you are anywhere 
 within that circle, not at the centre of it.

 GPS accuracy is effected by any obsticles that may block the signal (such 
 as buildings, trees, or even clouds and other weather conditions. On an 
 extremely overcast day last year, my GPS was unable to give me accuracy 
 any better than 500 metres (about 1600 feet). It kept placing me in 
 different towns, and I was standing still watching the display change. It 
 was quite fascinating.

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Re: Talking gps?

[Doc Wright]

I haven't used motion gpx on foot yet but it works wonders in a vehicle. I 
used it on a trip through Missouri as a fun challenge against my uncle's 
garmon and he turned off his gps because it would have taken us 27 miles out 
of the way.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Talking gps?


One more thing to add here. Navigon hasn't always been good for me either. 
In fact, I remember about a year back when I really needed it for a trip 
in Indianapolis and Navigon majorly failed on me. So I switched to using 
MapQuest for a while and it worked fine. However since then there have 
been a few updates to Navigon and it worked fine once again, and so I used 
it more. If I had something to complain about with Navigon, it would be 
that it's a resource hog MotionX GPS has the upper-hand there because it 
loads much faster and seems to be faster at responding in general. However 
Navigon, right now has MotionX GPS beat in that it tells me about upcoming 
turns with more warning that MotionX GPS. However I am also new to 
MotionX, and so will give it more of a run before I really decide how I 
feel.


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On 8/8/2012 5:35 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:

That is the trouble most blind people.  They are narrow minded.  .  They
think only one thing is the best.  I have stated other problems with this
app in the past.  Ariande, GPS Drive, Hop Stop are the main apps I use.
Heck with GPS Drive I don't even have to enter an address.  Just type in 
the

business name and most of the time I am going to the closest one in the
list.  Navigone used to be good, but it didn't even get my route right 
the

last time I used it for a route that I really needed it for.
Jordan

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Scott Bresnahan
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Hi,

Seconded.  If your major complaint with Navigon is the point of interest
database, that's sort of like complaining about a car because they don't
make it in the color you want.  The key to a GPS app is in route 
navigation

and directions.  If you enter an address, navigon does a great job of
getting you there.  I've never had issues with it getting me from point A 
to

point B.

If I have a complaint about navigon, it's in the destination entering 
user
interface.  That definately requires some practice time.  But, despite 
the
other post to the contrary, I've found the POI database fine for my 
needs,

and since it integrates with around me, and I can send POIs directly to
navigon from there, finding a point of interest is quite easy.

Also, if you can't stand address entry, the third party app called 
Navigon

Now, can make that part simple too.


So, if there are other issues with Navigon beyond it didn't have the
one point of interest I happened to be looking for, then by all
means, bring itt up an dlet's discuss.

--Scott
Prayer: begging a god to reconsider its plan.




Hi Jordan,

I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, 
Navigon

works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do mean blind or
visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used Navigon every day 
during a

vacation on Maui in March and it worked flawlessly every time and the
information it had including restaurants and POI's was very accurate. 
Based

on good reviews on here I recently tried Motion X GPS Drive and found it
much more difficult to use than Navigon, but I won't say it resembles 
fecal

matter because I am sure that with more practice it's quite usable. I
personally prefer paying upfront instead of an annual subscription and 
as
far as I know you also need a data connection for Motion X whereas 
navigon
maps are downloaded to the phone and since I don't necessarily have a 
data

connection when I travel to other countries that is a big advantage. How
well a GPS app works is subjective at best because there are quite a few
factors involved so it's probably a good idea to put things into

perspective

by pointing out that while Navigon may not have worked well for you it's

not
one of the leading GPS apps for no reason. I agree that it could be a 
lot

better both with respect to features as well as Voiceover, but it's very
useable and in combination with Sendero LookAround or Ariadne it does a
pretty good job especially since Ariadne now can run in the background.


Regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Talking gps?

[Mary Ellen Sanchez]

hello i would like some help with the gps aps as i can't understand how to
start the routes thanks.

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Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Hi, I must agree here completely. While I have been in the Navigon camp for
a long time, I just recently purchase MotionX GPS Drive to see if it's as
good as others say. Because I'm used to Navigon's UI, I find MotionX a bit
different to get used to, but I can also see that both have their place.
Like with anything and everything in life, choosing a different app has both
good and bad points. I like Navigon because of the one-time cost and because
the maps are there for you to use. However I can see where MotionX can have
the advantage of not using up as much space, especially good for those with
smaller capacity phones. I do like the voice choices offered with MotionX
gps more than the one which comes with Navigon, but voices are again,
subjective. So far in the walk I did from my house to the local Walgreens,
MotionX did a good job although it told me about the turn when I was right
at the corner as opposed to Navigon warning me a couple hundred feet before.

I haven't yet decided which I like more, and to be fair, I will give MotionX
gps a spin for a month to see if I will purchase the voice guidance beyond
the 30 day trial.

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On 8/8/2012 3:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Jordan,

 I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, 
 Navigon works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do mean 
 blind or visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used Navigon 
 every day during a vacation on Maui in March and it worked flawlessly 
 every time and the information it had including restaurants and POI's 
 was very accurate. Based on good reviews on here I recently tried 
 Motion X GPS Drive and found it much more difficult to use than 
 Navigon, but I won't say it resembles fecal matter because I am sure 
 that with more practice it's quite usable. I personally prefer paying 
 upfront instead of an annual subscription and as far as I know you 
 also need a data connection for Motion X whereas navigon maps are 
 downloaded to the phone and since I don't necessarily have a data 
 connection when I travel to other countries that is a big advantage. 
 How well a GPS app works is subjective at best because there are quite 
 a few factors involved so it's probably a good idea to put things into 
 perspective by pointing out that while Navigon may not have worked 
 well for you it's not one of the leading GPS apps for no reason. I 
 agree that it could be a lot better both with respect to features as 
 well as Voiceover, but it's very useable and in combination with Sendero
LookAround or Ariadne it does a pretty good job especially since Ariadne now
can run in the background.


 Regards,
 Sieghard


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Re: Talking gps?

[Rob Harris]

Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first 
choices.
- Original Message - 
From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones


Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones

Hi,

I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.

They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.

HTH

Ron

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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
To: Viphone Email list
Subject: bone conducting headphones

I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
Thanks.
Steph

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Re: Talking gps?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'd also suggest checking out MapQuest from AoL. I don't have a lot of
experience with other GPS apps, so I can't compare, but MapQuest is
free, and I've found it to be pretty good. I'd suggest checking it out
to see if it meets your needs before investing in another app.

I don't have one in mind, but I'd also suggest taking questions about
stand alone talking GPS devices to another list. You might get more info
than you will on an iPhone list, where you'll probably hear more about
iPhone apps.

On 08/08/12 10:58, Rob Harris wrote:
 Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first 
 choices.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 
 Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
 trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Ron Pelletier
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 Hi,
 
 I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
 battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
 with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
 and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.
 
 They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.
 
 HTH
 
 Ron
 
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 Of Musiclady
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
 To: Viphone Email list
 Subject: bone conducting headphones
 
 I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
 Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
 Thanks.
 Steph
 
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RE: Talking gps?

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi Rob,

Nothing for the IPhone yet compares with a stand alone GPS for the blind.  I
agree that the price is there but the results in a stand alone GPS far
surpass anything for the IPhone.

Ron  Danvers
 

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Of Rob Harris
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:58 AM
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Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
choices.
- Original Message -
From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones


Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones

Hi,

I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.

They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.

HTH

Ron

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Of Musiclady
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I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
Thanks.
Steph

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RE: Talking gps?

[Mary Ellen Sanchez]

Right but I was looking for a hand held device and also when I use the aps
on the phone if I were to get a phone call wouldn't it interrupt it?

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Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
choices.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones


Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.

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Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
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Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones

Hi,

I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.

They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.

HTH

Ron

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I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
Thanks.
Steph

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RE: Talking gps?

[Kellie Hickman]

Mary Ellen,

There is one called kapten Mobility that is a hand held device. I would be
happy to find out a price for you.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Ellen Sanchez
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Right but I was looking for a hand held device and also when I use the aps
on the phone if I were to get a phone call wouldn't it interrupt it?

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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
choices.
- Original Message -
From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones


Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones

Hi,

I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.

They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.

HTH

Ron

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I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
Thanks.
Steph

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RE: Talking gps?

[Jordan Gallacher]

Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an appointment
in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the use
I get out of it.
Jordan

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Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
choices.
- Original Message -
From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones


Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones

Hi,

I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.

They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.

HTH

Ron

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I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
Thanks.
Steph

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RE: Talking gps?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Jordan,

I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, Navigon
works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do mean blind or
visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used Navigon every day during a
vacation on Maui in March and it worked flawlessly every time and the
information it had including restaurants and POI's was very accurate. Based
on good reviews on here I recently tried Motion X GPS Drive and found it
much more difficult to use than Navigon, but I won't say it resembles fecal
matter because I am sure that with more practice it's quite usable. I
personally prefer paying upfront instead of an annual subscription and as
far as I know you also need a data connection for Motion X whereas navigon
maps are downloaded to the phone and since I don't necessarily have a data
connection when I travel to other countries that is a big advantage. How
well a GPS app works is subjective at best because there are quite a few
factors involved so it's probably a good idea to put things into perspective
by pointing out that while Navigon may not have worked well for you it's not
one of the leading GPS apps for no reason. I agree that it could be a lot
better both with respect to features as well as Voiceover, but it's very
useable and in combination with Sendero LookAround or Ariadne it does a
pretty good job especially since Ariadne now can run in the background.


Regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Talking gps?

[Jordan Gallacher]

Well that is my story about Navigone and I will stick to it.  With the
number of things this app has wrong it should not even be around at this
point.  So my statement is and always will be that it is what I said it was.
Data assisted GPS seems to work better for the most part anyway.
Jordan

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Hi Jordan,

I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, Navigon
works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do mean blind or
visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used Navigon every day during a
vacation on Maui in March and it worked flawlessly every time and the
information it had including restaurants and POI's was very accurate. Based
on good reviews on here I recently tried Motion X GPS Drive and found it
much more difficult to use than Navigon, but I won't say it resembles fecal
matter because I am sure that with more practice it's quite usable. I
personally prefer paying upfront instead of an annual subscription and as
far as I know you also need a data connection for Motion X whereas navigon
maps are downloaded to the phone and since I don't necessarily have a data
connection when I travel to other countries that is a big advantage. How
well a GPS app works is subjective at best because there are quite a few
factors involved so it's probably a good idea to put things into perspective
by pointing out that while Navigon may not have worked well for you it's not
one of the leading GPS apps for no reason. I agree that it could be a lot
better both with respect to features as well as Voiceover, but it's very
useable and in combination with Sendero LookAround or Ariadne it does a
pretty good job especially since Ariadne now can run in the background.


Regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Talking gps?

[Scott Bresnahan]

Hi,

Seconded.  If your major complaint with Navigon is the point of 
interest database, that's sort of like complaining about a car 
because they don't make it in the color you want.  The key to a GPS 
app is in route navigation and directions.  If you enter an address, 
navigon does a great job of getting you there.  I've never had issues 
with it getting me from point A to point B.


If I have a complaint about navigon, it's in the destination entering 
user interface.  That definately requires some practice time.  But, 
despite the other post to the contrary, I've found the POI database 
fine for my needs, and since it integrates with around me, and I can 
send POIs directly to navigon from there, finding a point of interest 
is quite easy.


Also, if you can't stand address entry, the third party app called 
Navigon Now, can make that part simple too.



So, if there are other issues with Navigon beyond it didn't have the 
one point of interest I happened to be looking for, then by all 
means, bring itt up an dlet's discuss.


--Scott
Prayer: begging a god to reconsider its plan.




Hi Jordan,

I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, Navigon
works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do mean blind or
visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used Navigon every day during a
vacation on Maui in March and it worked flawlessly every time and the
information it had including restaurants and POI's was very accurate. Based
on good reviews on here I recently tried Motion X GPS Drive and found it
much more difficult to use than Navigon, but I won't say it resembles fecal
matter because I am sure that with more practice it's quite usable. I
personally prefer paying upfront instead of an annual subscription and as
far as I know you also need a data connection for Motion X whereas navigon
maps are downloaded to the phone and since I don't necessarily have a data
connection when I travel to other countries that is a big advantage. How
well a GPS app works is subjective at best because there are quite a few
factors involved so it's probably a good idea to put things into perspective
by pointing out that while Navigon may not have worked well for you it's not
one of the leading GPS apps for no reason. I agree that it could be a lot
better both with respect to features as well as Voiceover, but it's very
useable and in combination with Sendero LookAround or Ariadne it does a
pretty good job especially since Ariadne now can run in the background.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Talking gps?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't think most blind people are narrow minded. I don't think the
blind are any more or less narrow minded than the rest of the
population. I'd also claim that someone who can't see that NaviGon might
be useful to someone else, even though they don't care for it
themselves, is also exhibiting some narrow mindedness.

I myself am partial to MapQuest from AoL, but I don't have a lot of
experience with other apps. I tried MapQuest, since it was free, and
since it's done everything I wanted to, I haven't look at much else,
except for YellowPages, which I don't like as much, although I'm still
looking at it. I would never think to call someone else who doesn't like
MapQuest to be narrow minded though.

Choice is good, and it's good that we have different options here so
people can find and use what works for them. It's not narrow mindedness
if people end up liking different options.

On 08/08/12 16:35, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
 That is the trouble most blind people.  They are narrow minded.  .  They
 think only one thing is the best.  I have stated other problems with this
 app in the past.  Ariande, GPS Drive, Hop Stop are the main apps I use.
 Heck with GPS Drive I don't even have to enter an address.  Just type in the
 business name and most of the time I am going to the closest one in the
 list.  Navigone used to be good, but it didn't even get my route right the
 last time I used it for a route that I really needed it for.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Scott Bresnahan
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Hi,
 
 Seconded.  If your major complaint with Navigon is the point of interest
 database, that's sort of like complaining about a car because they don't
 make it in the color you want.  The key to a GPS app is in route navigation
 and directions.  If you enter an address, navigon does a great job of
 getting you there.  I've never had issues with it getting me from point A to
 point B.
 
 If I have a complaint about navigon, it's in the destination entering user
 interface.  That definately requires some practice time.  But, despite the
 other post to the contrary, I've found the POI database fine for my needs,
 and since it integrates with around me, and I can send POIs directly to
 navigon from there, finding a point of interest is quite easy.
 
 Also, if you can't stand address entry, the third party app called Navigon
 Now, can make that part simple too.
 
 
 So, if there are other issues with Navigon beyond it didn't have the 
 one point of interest I happened to be looking for, then by all 
 means, bring itt up an dlet's discuss.
 
 --Scott
 Prayer: begging a god to reconsider its plan.
 
 
 
 Hi Jordan,

 I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, Navigon
 works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do mean blind or
 visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used Navigon every day during a
 vacation on Maui in March and it worked flawlessly every time and the
 information it had including restaurants and POI's was very accurate. Based
 on good reviews on here I recently tried Motion X GPS Drive and found it
 much more difficult to use than Navigon, but I won't say it resembles fecal
 matter because I am sure that with more practice it's quite usable. I
 personally prefer paying upfront instead of an annual subscription and as
 far as I know you also need a data connection for Motion X whereas navigon
 maps are downloaded to the phone and since I don't necessarily have a data
 connection when I travel to other countries that is a big advantage. How
 well a GPS app works is subjective at best because there are quite a few
 factors involved so it's probably a good idea to put things into
 perspective
 by pointing out that while Navigon may not have worked well for you it's
 not
 one of the leading GPS apps for no reason. I agree that it could be a lot
 better both with respect to features as well as Voiceover, but it's very
 useable and in combination with Sendero LookAround or Ariadne it does a
 pretty good job especially since Ariadne now can run in the background.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

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Re: Talking gps?

[reggie.alvar...@gmail.com]

Since I don't have much experience with any of these, do you always have to put 
in an address as a destination? 

Reggie and Brooks


On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't think most blind people are narrow minded. I don't think the
blind are any more or less narrow minded than the rest of the
population. I'd also claim that someone who can't see that NaviGon might
be useful to someone else, even though they don't care for it
themselves, is also exhibiting some narrow mindedness.

I myself am partial to MapQuest from AoL, but I don't have a lot of
experience with other apps. I tried MapQuest, since it was free, and
since it's done everything I wanted to, I haven't look at much else,
except for YellowPages, which I don't like as much, although I'm still
looking at it. I would never think to call someone else who doesn't like
MapQuest to be narrow minded though.

Choice is good, and it's good that we have different options here so
people can find and use what works for them. It's not narrow mindedness
if people end up liking different options.

On 08/08/12 16:35, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
 That is the trouble most blind people.  They are narrow minded.  .  They
 think only one thing is the best.  I have stated other problems with this
 app in the past.  Ariande, GPS Drive, Hop Stop are the main apps I use.
 Heck with GPS Drive I don't even have to enter an address.  Just type in the
 business name and most of the time I am going to the closest one in the
 list.  Navigone used to be good, but it didn't even get my route right the
 last time I used it for a route that I really needed it for.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Scott Bresnahan
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Hi,
 
 Seconded.  If your major complaint with Navigon is the point of interest
 database, that's sort of like complaining about a car because they don't
 make it in the color you want.  The key to a GPS app is in route navigation
 and directions.  If you enter an address, navigon does a great job of
 getting you there.  I've never had issues with it getting me from point A to
 point B.
 
 If I have a complaint about navigon, it's in the destination entering user
 interface.  That definately requires some practice time.  But, despite the
 other post to the contrary, I've found the POI database fine for my needs,
 and since it integrates with around me, and I can send POIs directly to
 navigon from there, finding a point of interest is quite easy.
 
 Also, if you can't stand address entry, the third party app called Navigon
 Now, can make that part simple too.
 
 
 So, if there are other issues with Navigon beyond it didn't have the 
 one point of interest I happened to be looking for, then by all 
 means, bring itt up an dlet's discuss.
 
 --Scott
 Prayer: begging a god to reconsider its plan.
 
 
 
 Hi Jordan,
 
 I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, Navigon
 works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do mean blind or
 visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used Navigon every day during a
 vacation on Maui in March and it worked flawlessly every time and the
 information it had including restaurants and POI's was very accurate. Based
 on good reviews on here I recently tried Motion X GPS Drive and found it
 much more difficult to use than Navigon, but I won't say it resembles fecal
 matter because I am sure that with more practice it's quite usable. I
 personally prefer paying upfront instead of an annual subscription and as
 far as I know you also need a data connection for Motion X whereas navigon
 maps are downloaded to the phone and since I don't necessarily have a data
 connection when I travel to other countries that is a big advantage. How
 well a GPS app works is subjective at best because there are quite a few
 factors involved so it's probably a good idea to put things into
 perspective
 by pointing out that while Navigon may not have worked well for you it's
 not
 one of the leading GPS apps for no reason. I agree that it could be a lot
 better both with respect to features as well as Voiceover, but it's very
 useable and in combination with Sendero LookAround or Ariadne it does a
 pretty good job especially since Ariadne now can run in the background.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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Re: Talking gps?

[Christopher Chaltain]

One of the things I like about the MapQuest app, is that I can just
enter the name of a business. I don't have to have the address. One of
the things I didn't like about the YellowPages app, is that it looked
liked I needed the address. This doesn't makes sense to me though, which
is why I'm still holding on to the YellowPages app to see if it's just
an idiot operator error.

On 08/08/12 17:11, reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Since I don't have much experience with any of these, do you always have to 
 put in an address as a destination? 
 
 Reggie and Brooks
 
 
 On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't think most blind people are narrow minded. I don't think the
 blind are any more or less narrow minded than the rest of the
 population. I'd also claim that someone who can't see that NaviGon might
 be useful to someone else, even though they don't care for it
 themselves, is also exhibiting some narrow mindedness.
 
 I myself am partial to MapQuest from AoL, but I don't have a lot of
 experience with other apps. I tried MapQuest, since it was free, and
 since it's done everything I wanted to, I haven't look at much else,
 except for YellowPages, which I don't like as much, although I'm still
 looking at it. I would never think to call someone else who doesn't like
 MapQuest to be narrow minded though.
 
 Choice is good, and it's good that we have different options here so
 people can find and use what works for them. It's not narrow mindedness
 if people end up liking different options.
 
 On 08/08/12 16:35, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
 That is the trouble most blind people.  They are narrow minded.  .  They
 think only one thing is the best.  I have stated other problems with this
 app in the past.  Ariande, GPS Drive, Hop Stop are the main apps I use.
 Heck with GPS Drive I don't even have to enter an address.  Just type in the
 business name and most of the time I am going to the closest one in the
 list.  Navigone used to be good, but it didn't even get my route right the
 last time I used it for a route that I really needed it for.
 Jordan

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Scott Bresnahan
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?

 Hi,

 Seconded.  If your major complaint with Navigon is the point of interest
 database, that's sort of like complaining about a car because they don't
 make it in the color you want.  The key to a GPS app is in route navigation
 and directions.  If you enter an address, navigon does a great job of
 getting you there.  I've never had issues with it getting me from point A to
 point B.

 If I have a complaint about navigon, it's in the destination entering user
 interface.  That definately requires some practice time.  But, despite the
 other post to the contrary, I've found the POI database fine for my needs,
 and since it integrates with around me, and I can send POIs directly to
 navigon from there, finding a point of interest is quite easy.

 Also, if you can't stand address entry, the third party app called Navigon
 Now, can make that part simple too.


 So, if there are other issues with Navigon beyond it didn't have the 
 one point of interest I happened to be looking for, then by all 
 means, bring itt up an dlet's discuss.

 --Scott
 Prayer: begging a god to reconsider its plan.



 Hi Jordan,

 I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, Navigon
 works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do mean blind or
 visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used Navigon every day during a
 vacation on Maui in March and it worked flawlessly every time and the
 information it had including restaurants and POI's was very accurate. Based
 on good reviews on here I recently tried Motion X GPS Drive and found it
 much more difficult to use than Navigon, but I won't say it resembles fecal
 matter because I am sure that with more practice it's quite usable. I
 personally prefer paying upfront instead of an annual subscription and as
 far as I know you also need a data connection for Motion X whereas navigon
 maps are downloaded to the phone and since I don't necessarily have a data
 connection when I travel to other countries that is a big advantage. How
 well a GPS app works is subjective at best because there are quite a few
 factors involved so it's probably a good idea to put things into
 perspective
 by pointing out that while Navigon may not have worked well for you it's
 not
 one of the leading GPS apps for no reason. I agree that it could be a lot
 better both with respect to features as well as Voiceover, but it's very
 useable and in combination with Sendero LookAround or Ariadne it does a
 pretty good job especially since Ariadne now can run in the background.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

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RE: Talking gps?

[Jordan Gallacher]

No.  Navigone has Points of Interest such as restaurants, hotels etc.  GPS
Drive is nice because you can type in the exact business name and it will
pull up a list of all the businesses matching that search.  It searches the
internet to find the business and the list starts with the business closest
to you.  Unlimited data sure is nice to have, and I am glad to still have
it.  That is the down side to this app.  
Jordan 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Since I don't have much experience with any of these, do you always have to
put in an address as a destination? 

Reggie and Brooks


On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't think most blind people are narrow minded. I don't think the blind
are any more or less narrow minded than the rest of the population. I'd also
claim that someone who can't see that NaviGon might be useful to someone
else, even though they don't care for it themselves, is also exhibiting some
narrow mindedness.

I myself am partial to MapQuest from AoL, but I don't have a lot of
experience with other apps. I tried MapQuest, since it was free, and since
it's done everything I wanted to, I haven't look at much else, except for
YellowPages, which I don't like as much, although I'm still looking at it. I
would never think to call someone else who doesn't like MapQuest to be
narrow minded though.

Choice is good, and it's good that we have different options here so people
can find and use what works for them. It's not narrow mindedness if people
end up liking different options.

On 08/08/12 16:35, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
 That is the trouble most blind people.  They are narrow minded.  .  
 They think only one thing is the best.  I have stated other problems 
 with this app in the past.  Ariande, GPS Drive, Hop Stop are the main apps
I use.
 Heck with GPS Drive I don't even have to enter an address.  Just type 
 in the business name and most of the time I am going to the closest 
 one in the list.  Navigone used to be good, but it didn't even get my 
 route right the last time I used it for a route that I really needed it
for.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Scott Bresnahan
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Hi,
 
 Seconded.  If your major complaint with Navigon is the point of 
 interest database, that's sort of like complaining about a car because 
 they don't make it in the color you want.  The key to a GPS app is in 
 route navigation and directions.  If you enter an address, navigon 
 does a great job of getting you there.  I've never had issues with it 
 getting me from point A to point B.
 
 If I have a complaint about navigon, it's in the destination entering 
 user interface.  That definately requires some practice time.  But, 
 despite the other post to the contrary, I've found the POI database 
 fine for my needs, and since it integrates with around me, and I can 
 send POIs directly to navigon from there, finding a point of interest is
quite easy.
 
 Also, if you can't stand address entry, the third party app called 
 Navigon Now, can make that part simple too.
 
 
 So, if there are other issues with Navigon beyond it didn't have the 
 one point of interest I happened to be looking for, then by all means, 
 bring itt up an dlet's discuss.
 
 --Scott
 Prayer: begging a god to reconsider its plan.
 
 
 
 Hi Jordan,
 
 I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, 
 Navigon works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do 
 mean blind or visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used 
 Navigon every day during a vacation on Maui in March and it worked 
 flawlessly every time and the information it had including 
 restaurants and POI's was very accurate. Based on good reviews on 
 here I recently tried Motion X GPS Drive and found it much more 
 difficult to use than Navigon, but I won't say it resembles fecal 
 matter because I am sure that with more practice it's quite usable. I 
 personally prefer paying upfront instead of an annual subscription 
 and as far as I know you also need a data connection for Motion X 
 whereas navigon maps are downloaded to the phone and since I don't 
 necessarily have a data connection when I travel to other countries 
 that is a big advantage. How well a GPS app works is subjective at 
 best because there are quite a few factors involved so it's probably 
 a good idea to put things into
 perspective
 by pointing out that while Navigon may not have worked well for you 
 it's
 not
 one of the leading GPS apps for no reason. I agree that it could be a 
 lot better both with respect to features as well as Voiceover, but 
 it's very

Re: Talking gps?

[Andy Baracco]

Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create routes 
and you can't get turn by turn directions.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Jordan Gallacher

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an appointment
in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the use
I get out of it.
Jordan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rob Harris
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
choices.
- Original Message -
From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones


Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones

Hi,

I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.

They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.

HTH

Ron

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Musiclady
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
To: Viphone Email list
Subject: bone conducting headphones

I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
Thanks.
Steph

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Re: Talking gps?

[Les Kriegler]

Watch for Looktel Breadcrumbs coming any day now.  It sounds like it's for 
pedestrian travel primarily.  I have high hopes for this one, as routes can be 
created and I have confidence that Looktel will produce a solid product.  They 
would have released in July, but they received a couple of suggestions that 
they decided to implement based on feedback they received at the conventions, 
so they have to re-submit to Apple for a second approval.  A rep from Looktel 
said it should be out within a week.

Les
On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:

 Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create routes 
 and you can't get turn by turn directions.
 
 Andy
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Jordan Gallacher
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an appointment
 in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
 really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
 well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
 even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the use
 I get out of it.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Rob Harris
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
 choices.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 
 Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
 trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Ron Pelletier
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 Hi,
 
 I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
 battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
 with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
 and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.
 
 They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.
 
 HTH
 
 Ron
 
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Musiclady
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
 To: Viphone Email list
 Subject: bone conducting headphones
 
 I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
 Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
 Thanks.
 Steph
 
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Re: Talking gps?

[Paul Ferrara]

Does anyone know if Sendero is involved with this app at all and if they 
plan on producing another GPS app for the iPhone?


Paul
- Original Message - 
From: Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Talking gps?


Watch for Looktel Breadcrumbs coming any day now.  It sounds like it's for 
pedestrian travel primarily.  I have high hopes for this one, as routes can 
be created and I have confidence that Looktel will produce a solid product. 
They would have released in July, but they received a couple of suggestions 
that they decided to implement based on feedback they received at the 
conventions, so they have to re-submit to Apple for a second approval.  A 
rep from Looktel said it should be out within a week.


Les
On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:

Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create 
routes and you can't get turn by turn directions.


Andy


-Original Message- From: Jordan Gallacher
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an 
appointment

in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the 
use

I get out of it.
Jordan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rob Harris
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
choices.
- Original Message -
From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones


Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones

Hi,

I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.

They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.

HTH

Ron

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Musiclady
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
To: Viphone Email list
Subject: bone conducting headphones

I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
Thanks.
Steph

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RE: Talking gps?

[Michelle McQuigge]

Thank you for this clarification. I've found myself underwhelmed with
Ariadne, especially considering all the hype. I found the map feature to be
unreliable at best. I have very sound orientation when I'm on familiar
ground, and when I've put the app through its paces, the map it presents me
with doesn't always align with what I know to be there. Still, I do love the
concept of an interactive map and have faith the accuracy will improve in
time. In the meantime, though, I am watching this thread with interest.
Which of the many apps currently under discussion *do* provide turn-by-turn
navigation, will alert you when you reach a specific destination etc? I
gather Navigon handles many of these functions? 


Many thanks,
Michelle


I have very sound orientation generally, and the street names it reads out
when I'm testing it in familiar territory have been approximate at best, at
least in my limited experience. I do love the idea of an interactive map,
however  

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Of Andy Baracco
Sent: August 8, 2012 9:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create routes
and you can't get turn by turn directions.

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Jordan Gallacher
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an appointment
in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the use
I get out of it.
Jordan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rob Harris
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
choices.
- Original Message -
From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones


Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones

Hi,

I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.

They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.

HTH

Ron

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Musiclady
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
To: Viphone Email list
Subject: bone conducting headphones

I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
Thanks.
Steph

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RE: Talking gps?

[AnonyMouse]

Hello,

The MapQuest has some potential. It isn't perfect but does work. I love the
fact you can enter an address as well give you the ability to select from a
search. I sure wish it had a Favorite to store my locations.

AroundMe is nice if you want something FREE as well. However, this doesn't
give you the ability to enter an address as you would in MapQuest but it is
very easy to use. This app is great if you are walking to a certain business
or shop. It is free and does offer turn-by turn just like the MapQuest and
it also provides Favorites.

Navigon is very large. The more maps you want the more it will suck the
living space out of your phone. However, the upside is that you don't use
data. The downside is the space it consumes and the map and POI can get
outdated quicker. It is also very expensive. There a lot of people that love
this GPS program.

MotionX is very nice because the Map and the Search are quite up to date.
However, the downside is that it uses data. I'll be honest I don't know how
much. So if you are tight on the data then Navagon is your choice. I prefer
this one over all of the other apps I've used that are a paid app with a
subscription fee for every year.

There are other GPS such as Tom-Tom, Garmin, WASZ, MyWay and etc.

Don't forget that if you have the iPhone 4s or might be getting the iPhone
5. That the IOS 6 will have a whole brand new Map App. It will be accessible
and will offer turn-by-turn navigation for free. So before you shell out
those big bucks. Think twice because this is coming down the pipe. Poor
souls of Navagon, MotionX, Garmin and etc. that are a paid app with
subscription. They will soon disappear unless the new IOS 6 Map App doesn't
live up to expectation. Too soon to know!

Those with the iPhone 3gs and the iPhone 4 then you will be safe in
purchasing those expensive GPS apps. The IOS 6 Map will not offer the
turn-by-turn to those devices. :(

Regards,
AnonyMouse



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

I don't think most blind people are narrow minded. I don't think the blind
are any more or less narrow minded than the rest of the population. I'd also
claim that someone who can't see that NaviGon might be useful to someone
else, even though they don't care for it themselves, is also exhibiting some
narrow mindedness.

I myself am partial to MapQuest from AoL, but I don't have a lot of
experience with other apps. I tried MapQuest, since it was free, and since
it's done everything I wanted to, I haven't look at much else, except for
YellowPages, which I don't like as much, although I'm still looking at it. I
would never think to call someone else who doesn't like MapQuest to be
narrow minded though.

Choice is good, and it's good that we have different options here so people
can find and use what works for them. It's not narrow mindedness if people
end up liking different options.

On 08/08/12 16:35, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
 That is the trouble most blind people.  They are narrow minded.  .  
 They think only one thing is the best.  I have stated other problems 
 with this app in the past.  Ariande, GPS Drive, Hop Stop are the main apps
I use.
 Heck with GPS Drive I don't even have to enter an address.  Just type 
 in the business name and most of the time I am going to the closest 
 one in the list.  Navigone used to be good, but it didn't even get my 
 route right the last time I used it for a route that I really needed it
for.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Scott Bresnahan
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Hi,
 
 Seconded.  If your major complaint with Navigon is the point of 
 interest database, that's sort of like complaining about a car because 
 they don't make it in the color you want.  The key to a GPS app is in 
 route navigation and directions.  If you enter an address, navigon 
 does a great job of getting you there.  I've never had issues with it 
 getting me from point A to point B.
 
 If I have a complaint about navigon, it's in the destination entering 
 user interface.  That definately requires some practice time.  But, 
 despite the other post to the contrary, I've found the POI database 
 fine for my needs, and since it integrates with around me, and I can 
 send POIs directly to navigon from there, finding a point of interest is
quite easy.
 
 Also, if you can't stand address entry, the third party app called 
 Navigon Now, can make that part simple too.
 
 
 So, if there are other issues with Navigon beyond it didn't have the 
 one point of interest I happened to be looking for, then by all means, 
 bring itt up an dlet's discuss.
 
 --Scott
 Prayer: begging a god to reconsider its plan.
 
 
 
 Hi

RE: Talking gps?

[Michelle McQuigge]

Thanks so much, Anony - this is extremely helpful. It seems this 3gs user
has some research to do! :) 
 

Take care,
Michelle
 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of AnonyMouse
Sent: August 8, 2012 9:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Hello,

The MapQuest has some potential. It isn't perfect but does work. I love the
fact you can enter an address as well give you the ability to select from a
search. I sure wish it had a Favorite to store my locations.

AroundMe is nice if you want something FREE as well. However, this doesn't
give you the ability to enter an address as you would in MapQuest but it is
very easy to use. This app is great if you are walking to a certain business
or shop. It is free and does offer turn-by turn just like the MapQuest and
it also provides Favorites.

Navigon is very large. The more maps you want the more it will suck the
living space out of your phone. However, the upside is that you don't use
data. The downside is the space it consumes and the map and POI can get
outdated quicker. It is also very expensive. There a lot of people that love
this GPS program.

MotionX is very nice because the Map and the Search are quite up to date.
However, the downside is that it uses data. I'll be honest I don't know how
much. So if you are tight on the data then Navagon is your choice. I prefer
this one over all of the other apps I've used that are a paid app with a
subscription fee for every year.

There are other GPS such as Tom-Tom, Garmin, WASZ, MyWay and etc.

Don't forget that if you have the iPhone 4s or might be getting the iPhone
5. That the IOS 6 will have a whole brand new Map App. It will be accessible
and will offer turn-by-turn navigation for free. So before you shell out
those big bucks. Think twice because this is coming down the pipe. Poor
souls of Navagon, MotionX, Garmin and etc. that are a paid app with
subscription. They will soon disappear unless the new IOS 6 Map App doesn't
live up to expectation. Too soon to know!

Those with the iPhone 3gs and the iPhone 4 then you will be safe in
purchasing those expensive GPS apps. The IOS 6 Map will not offer the
turn-by-turn to those devices. :(

Regards,
AnonyMouse



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

I don't think most blind people are narrow minded. I don't think the blind
are any more or less narrow minded than the rest of the population. I'd also
claim that someone who can't see that NaviGon might be useful to someone
else, even though they don't care for it themselves, is also exhibiting some
narrow mindedness.

I myself am partial to MapQuest from AoL, but I don't have a lot of
experience with other apps. I tried MapQuest, since it was free, and since
it's done everything I wanted to, I haven't look at much else, except for
YellowPages, which I don't like as much, although I'm still looking at it. I
would never think to call someone else who doesn't like MapQuest to be
narrow minded though.

Choice is good, and it's good that we have different options here so people
can find and use what works for them. It's not narrow mindedness if people
end up liking different options.

On 08/08/12 16:35, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
 That is the trouble most blind people.  They are narrow minded.  .  
 They think only one thing is the best.  I have stated other problems 
 with this app in the past.  Ariande, GPS Drive, Hop Stop are the main 
 apps
I use.
 Heck with GPS Drive I don't even have to enter an address.  Just type 
 in the business name and most of the time I am going to the closest 
 one in the list.  Navigone used to be good, but it didn't even get my 
 route right the last time I used it for a route that I really needed 
 it
for.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Scott Bresnahan
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Hi,
 
 Seconded.  If your major complaint with Navigon is the point of 
 interest database, that's sort of like complaining about a car because 
 they don't make it in the color you want.  The key to a GPS app is in 
 route navigation and directions.  If you enter an address, navigon 
 does a great job of getting you there.  I've never had issues with it 
 getting me from point A to point B.
 
 If I have a complaint about navigon, it's in the destination entering 
 user interface.  That definately requires some practice time.  But, 
 despite the other post to the contrary, I've found the POI database 
 fine for my needs, and since it integrates with around me, and I can 
 send POIs directly to navigon from there, finding a point of interest 
 is
quite easy.
 
 Also, if you can't stand

RE: Talking gps?

[AnonyMouse]

Hello,

You are quite welcome!

There is one more thing to note. Somebody had made a great point.

Depending where you live and where you go will make a huge difference. If
Navagon will be the only GPS program that will work in a non-data area or
dead spot. All other GPS program that I am aware of will fail to work.

It is a hard decision. I know. So if you hike, go off roading, or go to an
isolated area and need a GPS then the Navagon is your bet. If not, I really
would look at the other alternatives. It really comes down to your budget
and what and where you need it.

Somebody mentioned that Navagon that you pay up front and forget. I don't
think that is the case. I could be wrong but you have to pay for the
additional price for keeping those maps you downloaded up to date. Correct
me if I am wrong? I thought the update comes out 4 times a year if you paid
for that subscription?

So research everything.

Regards,
AnonyMouse






-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michelle McQuigge
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Thanks so much, Anony - this is extremely helpful. It seems this 3gs user
has some research to do! :) 
 

Take care,
Michelle
 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of AnonyMouse
Sent: August 8, 2012 9:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Hello,

The MapQuest has some potential. It isn't perfect but does work. I love the
fact you can enter an address as well give you the ability to select from a
search. I sure wish it had a Favorite to store my locations.

AroundMe is nice if you want something FREE as well. However, this doesn't
give you the ability to enter an address as you would in MapQuest but it is
very easy to use. This app is great if you are walking to a certain business
or shop. It is free and does offer turn-by turn just like the MapQuest and
it also provides Favorites.

Navigon is very large. The more maps you want the more it will suck the
living space out of your phone. However, the upside is that you don't use
data. The downside is the space it consumes and the map and POI can get
outdated quicker. It is also very expensive. There a lot of people that love
this GPS program.

MotionX is very nice because the Map and the Search are quite up to date.
However, the downside is that it uses data. I'll be honest I don't know how
much. So if you are tight on the data then Navagon is your choice. I prefer
this one over all of the other apps I've used that are a paid app with a
subscription fee for every year.

There are other GPS such as Tom-Tom, Garmin, WASZ, MyWay and etc.

Don't forget that if you have the iPhone 4s or might be getting the iPhone
5. That the IOS 6 will have a whole brand new Map App. It will be accessible
and will offer turn-by-turn navigation for free. So before you shell out
those big bucks. Think twice because this is coming down the pipe. Poor
souls of Navagon, MotionX, Garmin and etc. that are a paid app with
subscription. They will soon disappear unless the new IOS 6 Map App doesn't
live up to expectation. Too soon to know!

Those with the iPhone 3gs and the iPhone 4 then you will be safe in
purchasing those expensive GPS apps. The IOS 6 Map will not offer the
turn-by-turn to those devices. :(

Regards,
AnonyMouse



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

I don't think most blind people are narrow minded. I don't think the blind
are any more or less narrow minded than the rest of the population. I'd also
claim that someone who can't see that NaviGon might be useful to someone
else, even though they don't care for it themselves, is also exhibiting some
narrow mindedness.

I myself am partial to MapQuest from AoL, but I don't have a lot of
experience with other apps. I tried MapQuest, since it was free, and since
it's done everything I wanted to, I haven't look at much else, except for
YellowPages, which I don't like as much, although I'm still looking at it. I
would never think to call someone else who doesn't like MapQuest to be
narrow minded though.

Choice is good, and it's good that we have different options here so people
can find and use what works for them. It's not narrow mindedness if people
end up liking different options.

On 08/08/12 16:35, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
 That is the trouble most blind people.  They are narrow minded.  .  
 They think only one thing is the best.  I have stated other problems 
 with this app in the past.  Ariande, GPS Drive, Hop Stop are the main 
 apps
I use.
 Heck with GPS Drive I don't even have to enter an address.  Just type 
 in the business name and most of the time I am going to the closest 
 one in the list

Re: Talking gps?

[Les Kriegler]

Yes, they are also developing an App called Seeing Eye, no idea as to when it 
will come out, but it should provide improved functionality for pedestrian 
travelers as it is expected to provide turn by turn instructions and route 
creation.

Les
On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Paul Ferrara paul.ferr...@insightbb.com wrote:

 Does anyone know if Sendero is involved with this app at all and if they plan 
 on producing another GPS app for the iPhone?
 
 Paul
 - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:25 PM
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 
 Watch for Looktel Breadcrumbs coming any day now.  It sounds like it's for 
 pedestrian travel primarily.  I have high hopes for this one, as routes can 
 be created and I have confidence that Looktel will produce a solid product. 
 They would have released in July, but they received a couple of suggestions 
 that they decided to implement based on feedback they received at the 
 conventions, so they have to re-submit to Apple for a second approval.  A rep 
 from Looktel said it should be out within a week.
 
 Les
 On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 
 Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create routes 
 and you can't get turn by turn directions.
 
 Andy
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Jordan Gallacher
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an appointment
 in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
 really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
 well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
 even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the use
 I get out of it.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Rob Harris
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
 choices.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 
 Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
 trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Ron Pelletier
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 Hi,
 
 I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
 battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
 with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
 and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.
 
 They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.
 
 HTH
 
 Ron
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Musiclady
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
 To: Viphone Email list
 Subject: bone conducting headphones
 
 I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
 Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
 Thanks.
 Steph
 
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RE: Talking gps?

[Jordan Gallacher]

GPS Drive, Map Quest and Navigone all do.  It depends on how accurate you
want the app to be.
Jordan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michelle McQuigge
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Thank you for this clarification. I've found myself underwhelmed with
Ariadne, especially considering all the hype. I found the map feature to be
unreliable at best. I have very sound orientation when I'm on familiar
ground, and when I've put the app through its paces, the map it presents me
with doesn't always align with what I know to be there. Still, I do love the
concept of an interactive map and have faith the accuracy will improve in
time. In the meantime, though, I am watching this thread with interest.
Which of the many apps currently under discussion *do* provide turn-by-turn
navigation, will alert you when you reach a specific destination etc? I
gather Navigon handles many of these functions? 


Many thanks,
Michelle


I have very sound orientation generally, and the street names it reads out
when I'm testing it in familiar territory have been approximate at best, at
least in my limited experience. I do love the idea of an interactive map,
however  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: August 8, 2012 9:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create routes
and you can't get turn by turn directions.

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Jordan Gallacher
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking gps?

Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an appointment
in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the use
I get out of it.
Jordan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rob Harris
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking gps?

Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
choices.
- Original Message -
From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones


Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones

Hi,

I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.

They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.

HTH

Ron

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Musiclady
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
To: Viphone Email list
Subject: bone conducting headphones

I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
Thanks.
Steph

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Re: Talking gps?

[David Chittenden]

Same with TomTom, and none of the apps is more accurate than any other app. 
Differences are when the app is programmed to announce the next instruction, 
and the interface - oh, and which maps the app accesses.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 09/08/2012, at 15:06, Jordan Gallacher jgallacher1...@gmail.com wrote:

 GPS Drive, Map Quest and Navigone all do.  It depends on how accurate you
 want the app to be.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Michelle McQuigge
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:38 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Thank you for this clarification. I've found myself underwhelmed with
 Ariadne, especially considering all the hype. I found the map feature to be
 unreliable at best. I have very sound orientation when I'm on familiar
 ground, and when I've put the app through its paces, the map it presents me
 with doesn't always align with what I know to be there. Still, I do love the
 concept of an interactive map and have faith the accuracy will improve in
 time. In the meantime, though, I am watching this thread with interest.
 Which of the many apps currently under discussion *do* provide turn-by-turn
 navigation, will alert you when you reach a specific destination etc? I
 gather Navigon handles many of these functions? 
 
 
 Many thanks,
 Michelle
 
 
 I have very sound orientation generally, and the street names it reads out
 when I'm testing it in familiar territory have been approximate at best, at
 least in my limited experience. I do love the idea of an interactive map,
 however  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Andy Baracco
 Sent: August 8, 2012 9:10 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create routes
 and you can't get turn by turn directions.
 
 Andy
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jordan Gallacher
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an appointment
 in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
 really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
 well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
 even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the use
 I get out of it.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Rob Harris
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
 choices.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 
 Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
 trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Ron Pelletier
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 Hi,
 
 I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
 battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
 with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
 and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.
 
 They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.
 
 HTH
 
 Ron
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Musiclady
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
 To: Viphone Email list
 Subject: bone conducting headphones
 
 I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
 Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
 Thanks.
 Steph
 
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RE: Talking gps?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Michelle and Anthony,

First, pricy is a relative term, I don't think $40 to $60 is all that much
for a full-featured turn-by-turn GPS solution considering my Trekker Maestro
was $2,000 about 4 or so years ago and a Breeze is still $800 I think. On
top of that the maps as well as POI listings on it were horrible, maybe this
is much better now, but it sure wasn't then. As for buying map updates, you
only have to pay the $20 if you want quarterly map updates and that, by the
way, is $20 for a 2-year period. If you don't pay this you still get map
updates, but only once a year or so.

Secondly, if you go hiking or off-road Navigon is about as good as nothing
because it only has street maps. The only solution of any use for hiking is
something like MyWay Classic or the upcoming BreadCrums app from the
LookTel developers because these apps allow you to set your own points along
a trail and then give you directions as to how you navigate along these
points. BreadCrums, as far as I know, will not have all the maps like
Navigon so I am not sure if it will allow for putting in an address or
searching for a POI and then to have turn-by-turn directions. I think it's
more a competitor to MyWay Classic and will allow a person to enter in a
manual route and then follow that route.

I have heard nothing new about Sendero's full-featured turn-by-turn GPS app
which one would assume would bring Trekker like features to the iPhone.

In the meantime for me a combination of Navigon with Sendero LookAround or
Ariadne does very well.

Of course this may all change in what seems to be mid to late September when
the new iPhone is rumoured to be released and, of course, iOS 6 along with
it and Apple's new maps and built-in turn-by-turn directions. That rumour
about a September 12 announcement does seem to take on more substance and
there is talk about a September 21 release. This is according to Rob from
the Today in iOS podcast and a number of sources he mentioned. If it's true
we all know what's what in 5 weeks.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Re: Talking gps?

[David Chittenden]

Around me, Where to, and yellow pages all do this, and all can launch Navigon, 
TomTom, and one or two other GPS apps. When this is done, the address 
information is already in the GPS app, so all you need to do is start 
navigation.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 09/08/2012, at 12:18, Jordan Gallacher jgallacher1...@gmail.com wrote:

 No.  Navigone has Points of Interest such as restaurants, hotels etc.  GPS
 Drive is nice because you can type in the exact business name and it will
 pull up a list of all the businesses matching that search.  It searches the
 internet to find the business and the list starts with the business closest
 to you.  Unlimited data sure is nice to have, and I am glad to still have
 it.  That is the down side to this app.  
 Jordan 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 5:11 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 Since I don't have much experience with any of these, do you always have to
 put in an address as a destination? 
 
 Reggie and Brooks
 
 
 On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't think most blind people are narrow minded. I don't think the blind
 are any more or less narrow minded than the rest of the population. I'd also
 claim that someone who can't see that NaviGon might be useful to someone
 else, even though they don't care for it themselves, is also exhibiting some
 narrow mindedness.
 
 I myself am partial to MapQuest from AoL, but I don't have a lot of
 experience with other apps. I tried MapQuest, since it was free, and since
 it's done everything I wanted to, I haven't look at much else, except for
 YellowPages, which I don't like as much, although I'm still looking at it. I
 would never think to call someone else who doesn't like MapQuest to be
 narrow minded though.
 
 Choice is good, and it's good that we have different options here so people
 can find and use what works for them. It's not narrow mindedness if people
 end up liking different options.
 
 On 08/08/12 16:35, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
 That is the trouble most blind people.  They are narrow minded.  .  
 They think only one thing is the best.  I have stated other problems 
 with this app in the past.  Ariande, GPS Drive, Hop Stop are the main apps
 I use.
 Heck with GPS Drive I don't even have to enter an address.  Just type 
 in the business name and most of the time I am going to the closest 
 one in the list.  Navigone used to be good, but it didn't even get my 
 route right the last time I used it for a route that I really needed it
 for.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Scott Bresnahan
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Hi,
 
 Seconded.  If your major complaint with Navigon is the point of 
 interest database, that's sort of like complaining about a car because 
 they don't make it in the color you want.  The key to a GPS app is in 
 route navigation and directions.  If you enter an address, navigon 
 does a great job of getting you there.  I've never had issues with it 
 getting me from point A to point B.
 
 If I have a complaint about navigon, it's in the destination entering 
 user interface.  That definately requires some practice time.  But, 
 despite the other post to the contrary, I've found the POI database 
 fine for my needs, and since it integrates with around me, and I can 
 send POIs directly to navigon from there, finding a point of interest is
 quite easy.
 
 Also, if you can't stand address entry, the third party app called 
 Navigon Now, can make that part simple too.
 
 
 So, if there are other issues with Navigon beyond it didn't have the 
 one point of interest I happened to be looking for, then by all means, 
 bring itt up an dlet's discuss.
 
 --Scott
 Prayer: begging a god to reconsider its plan.
 
 
 
 Hi Jordan,
 
 I think statements like Navigon is crap should always be avoided, 
 Navigon works extremely well for a lot of people and by that I do 
 mean blind or visually impaired people using Voiceover. I used 
 Navigon every day during a vacation on Maui in March and it worked 
 flawlessly every time and the information it had including 
 restaurants and POI's was very accurate. Based on good reviews on 
 here I recently tried Motion X GPS Drive and found it much more 
 difficult to use than Navigon, but I won't say it resembles fecal 
 matter because I am sure that with more practice it's quite usable. I 
 personally prefer paying upfront instead of an annual subscription 
 and as far as I know you also need a data connection for Motion X 
 whereas navigon maps are downloaded to the phone and since I don't 
 necessarily have a data

Re: Talking gps?

[David Chittenden]

Sendero is not involved with this app. Sendero has teamed up with the Seeing 
Eye (the Seeing Eye is paying the development costs) and developing the Seeing 
Eye GPS app.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 09/08/2012, at 13:35, Paul Ferrara paul.ferr...@insightbb.com wrote:

 Does anyone know if Sendero is involved with this app at all and if they plan 
 on producing another GPS app for the iPhone?
 
 Paul
 - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:25 PM
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 
 Watch for Looktel Breadcrumbs coming any day now.  It sounds like it's for 
 pedestrian travel primarily.  I have high hopes for this one, as routes can 
 be created and I have confidence that Looktel will produce a solid product. 
 They would have released in July, but they received a couple of suggestions 
 that they decided to implement based on feedback they received at the 
 conventions, so they have to re-submit to Apple for a second approval.  A rep 
 from Looktel said it should be out within a week.
 
 Les
 On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 
 Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create routes 
 and you can't get turn by turn directions.
 
 Andy
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Jordan Gallacher
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an appointment
 in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
 really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
 well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
 even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the use
 I get out of it.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Rob Harris
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
 choices.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 
 Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
 trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Ron Pelletier
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 Hi,
 
 I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
 battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
 with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
 and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.
 
 They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.
 
 HTH
 
 Ron
 
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Musiclady
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
 To: Viphone Email list
 Subject: bone conducting headphones
 
 I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
 Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
 Thanks.
 Steph
 
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Re: Talking gps?

[David Chittenden]

Navigon and TomTom both do and are both accessible. That said:

People continue having a very bad misconception about GPS. First, GPS uses a 
database. The database has coordinates for streets and intersections, but 
unless mild turns and swerves are properly plotted with coordinates in the 
database, the app will draw a straight line. Maps are always being updated, and 
commercial apps do not charge, or charge very little for these updates. And, if 
you pay the slight charge, your database will be updated every quarter. If not, 
your database will be updated annually. Contrast this with the blindness 
specific GPS products where you get an annual update for a cost which is higher 
than the total purchase price of any of these apps, and that is an annual 
expense.

Also, in most cases, the actual GPS coordinates for each address are not in the 
database. Instead, the database has the starting address, the ending address, 
and the number of addresses in the block. Therefore, the announcement activates 
when you are a percentage distance down the block that represents where your 
address would be if all addresses are equal distance from each other. In other 
words, if there are 10 addresses on the block and you are going to the fifth 
address, the system will alert when you are half way down the block. However, 
if any address takes up more than 10% of the distance, you will not find the 
correct address just by using the GPS system - and this is the same whether you 
are using a blindness specific system or a normal system.

Then, there is the accuracy factor. At its best, GPS can be accurate to 5 
metres (15 feet). Therefore, given that the front of an address can easily be 
shorter than this distance, all GPS systems will only get you close to your 
desired destination. You need good orientation and mobility skills to find the 
actual location. And, if accuracy is more toward average, the area is within 10 
metres (30 feet). Oh, and this means you are anywhere within that circle, not 
at the centre of it.

GPS accuracy is effected by any obsticles that may block the signal (such as 
buildings, trees, or even clouds and other weather conditions. On an extremely 
overcast day last year, my GPS was unable to give me accuracy any better than 
500 metres (about 1600 feet). It kept placing me in different towns, and I was 
standing still watching the display change. It was quite fascinating.

I would not trust GPS to get me to my exact destination anymore than I would 
trust a cane to alert me of any obstacles that are higher than my lower 
abdomen. So, does this mean I would not use a cane if something happens to my 
guide dog? Now that would be silly. I just keep in mind the limitations of the 
cane, and do not expect it to do more than it is capable of doing.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 09/08/2012, at 13:37, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Thank you for this clarification. I've found myself underwhelmed with
 Ariadne, especially considering all the hype. I found the map feature to be
 unreliable at best. I have very sound orientation when I'm on familiar
 ground, and when I've put the app through its paces, the map it presents me
 with doesn't always align with what I know to be there. Still, I do love the
 concept of an interactive map and have faith the accuracy will improve in
 time. In the meantime, though, I am watching this thread with interest.
 Which of the many apps currently under discussion *do* provide turn-by-turn
 navigation, will alert you when you reach a specific destination etc? I
 gather Navigon handles many of these functions? 
 
 
 Many thanks,
 Michelle
 
 
 I have very sound orientation generally, and the street names it reads out
 when I'm testing it in familiar territory have been approximate at best, at
 least in my limited experience. I do love the idea of an interactive map,
 however  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Andy Baracco
 Sent: August 8, 2012 9:10 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create routes
 and you can't get turn by turn directions.
 
 Andy
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jordan Gallacher
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an appointment
 in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
 really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
 well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
 even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the use
 I get out of it.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Re: Talking gps?

[David Chittenden]

This is because turn by turn is provided by Siri, and you need at least a 4S 
for Siri. This also means, you will be using more data, though, apparently not 
as much as Motion GPS requires. According to an article I read last year, 
Motion uses multiple megabytes of data per trip.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 09/08/2012, at 13:58, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 The MapQuest has some potential. It isn't perfect but does work. I love the
 fact you can enter an address as well give you the ability to select from a
 search. I sure wish it had a Favorite to store my locations.
 
 AroundMe is nice if you want something FREE as well. However, this doesn't
 give you the ability to enter an address as you would in MapQuest but it is
 very easy to use. This app is great if you are walking to a certain business
 or shop. It is free and does offer turn-by turn just like the MapQuest and
 it also provides Favorites.
 
 Navigon is very large. The more maps you want the more it will suck the
 living space out of your phone. However, the upside is that you don't use
 data. The downside is the space it consumes and the map and POI can get
 outdated quicker. It is also very expensive. There a lot of people that love
 this GPS program.
 
 MotionX is very nice because the Map and the Search are quite up to date.
 However, the downside is that it uses data. I'll be honest I don't know how
 much. So if you are tight on the data then Navagon is your choice. I prefer
 this one over all of the other apps I've used that are a paid app with a
 subscription fee for every year.
 
 There are other GPS such as Tom-Tom, Garmin, WASZ, MyWay and etc.
 
 Don't forget that if you have the iPhone 4s or might be getting the iPhone
 5. That the IOS 6 will have a whole brand new Map App. It will be accessible
 and will offer turn-by-turn navigation for free. So before you shell out
 those big bucks. Think twice because this is coming down the pipe. Poor
 souls of Navagon, MotionX, Garmin and etc. that are a paid app with
 subscription. They will soon disappear unless the new IOS 6 Map App doesn't
 live up to expectation. Too soon to know!
 
 Those with the iPhone 3gs and the iPhone 4 then you will be safe in
 purchasing those expensive GPS apps. The IOS 6 Map will not offer the
 turn-by-turn to those devices. :(
 
 Regards,
 AnonyMouse
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:52 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 I don't think most blind people are narrow minded. I don't think the blind
 are any more or less narrow minded than the rest of the population. I'd also
 claim that someone who can't see that NaviGon might be useful to someone
 else, even though they don't care for it themselves, is also exhibiting some
 narrow mindedness.
 
 I myself am partial to MapQuest from AoL, but I don't have a lot of
 experience with other apps. I tried MapQuest, since it was free, and since
 it's done everything I wanted to, I haven't look at much else, except for
 YellowPages, which I don't like as much, although I'm still looking at it. I
 would never think to call someone else who doesn't like MapQuest to be
 narrow minded though.
 
 Choice is good, and it's good that we have different options here so people
 can find and use what works for them. It's not narrow mindedness if people
 end up liking different options.
 
 On 08/08/12 16:35, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
 That is the trouble most blind people.  They are narrow minded.  .  
 They think only one thing is the best.  I have stated other problems 
 with this app in the past.  Ariande, GPS Drive, Hop Stop are the main apps
 I use.
 Heck with GPS Drive I don't even have to enter an address.  Just type 
 in the business name and most of the time I am going to the closest 
 one in the list.  Navigone used to be good, but it didn't even get my 
 route right the last time I used it for a route that I really needed it
 for.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Scott Bresnahan
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Hi,
 
 Seconded.  If your major complaint with Navigon is the point of 
 interest database, that's sort of like complaining about a car because 
 they don't make it in the color you want.  The key to a GPS app is in 
 route navigation and directions.  If you enter an address, navigon 
 does a great job of getting you there.  I've never had issues with it 
 getting me from point A to point B.
 
 If I have a complaint about navigon, it's in the destination entering 
 user interface.  That definately requires some practice time.  But, 
 despite the other post to the contrary, I've found the POI

Re: Talking gps?

[David Chittenden]

Navigon and TomTom are the same in regards to they store the maps database on 
your phone, they are both accessible, and they both have a quarterly map update 
or annual free map update.

I prefer TomTom's interface. The only problem is that, when walking, TomTom has 
the announcement trigger set to around 20 metres (65 feet) whilst Navigon has 
the trigger set to 5 metres (16 feet).


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 09/08/2012, at 14:10, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 You are quite welcome!
 
 There is one more thing to note. Somebody had made a great point.
 
 Depending where you live and where you go will make a huge difference. If
 Navagon will be the only GPS program that will work in a non-data area or
 dead spot. All other GPS program that I am aware of will fail to work.
 
 It is a hard decision. I know. So if you hike, go off roading, or go to an
 isolated area and need a GPS then the Navagon is your bet. If not, I really
 would look at the other alternatives. It really comes down to your budget
 and what and where you need it.
 
 Somebody mentioned that Navagon that you pay up front and forget. I don't
 think that is the case. I could be wrong but you have to pay for the
 additional price for keeping those maps you downloaded up to date. Correct
 me if I am wrong? I thought the update comes out 4 times a year if you paid
 for that subscription?
 
 So research everything.
 
 Regards,
 AnonyMouse
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Michelle McQuigge
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:02 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Thanks so much, Anony - this is extremely helpful. It seems this 3gs user
 has some research to do! :) 
 
 
 Take care,
 Michelle
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of AnonyMouse
 Sent: August 8, 2012 9:58 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Hello,
 
 The MapQuest has some potential. It isn't perfect but does work. I love the
 fact you can enter an address as well give you the ability to select from a
 search. I sure wish it had a Favorite to store my locations.
 
 AroundMe is nice if you want something FREE as well. However, this doesn't
 give you the ability to enter an address as you would in MapQuest but it is
 very easy to use. This app is great if you are walking to a certain business
 or shop. It is free and does offer turn-by turn just like the MapQuest and
 it also provides Favorites.
 
 Navigon is very large. The more maps you want the more it will suck the
 living space out of your phone. However, the upside is that you don't use
 data. The downside is the space it consumes and the map and POI can get
 outdated quicker. It is also very expensive. There a lot of people that love
 this GPS program.
 
 MotionX is very nice because the Map and the Search are quite up to date.
 However, the downside is that it uses data. I'll be honest I don't know how
 much. So if you are tight on the data then Navagon is your choice. I prefer
 this one over all of the other apps I've used that are a paid app with a
 subscription fee for every year.
 
 There are other GPS such as Tom-Tom, Garmin, WASZ, MyWay and etc.
 
 Don't forget that if you have the iPhone 4s or might be getting the iPhone
 5. That the IOS 6 will have a whole brand new Map App. It will be accessible
 and will offer turn-by-turn navigation for free. So before you shell out
 those big bucks. Think twice because this is coming down the pipe. Poor
 souls of Navagon, MotionX, Garmin and etc. that are a paid app with
 subscription. They will soon disappear unless the new IOS 6 Map App doesn't
 live up to expectation. Too soon to know!
 
 Those with the iPhone 3gs and the iPhone 4 then you will be safe in
 purchasing those expensive GPS apps. The IOS 6 Map will not offer the
 turn-by-turn to those devices. :(
 
 Regards,
 AnonyMouse
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:52 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 I don't think most blind people are narrow minded. I don't think the blind
 are any more or less narrow minded than the rest of the population. I'd also
 claim that someone who can't see that NaviGon might be useful to someone
 else, even though they don't care for it themselves, is also exhibiting some
 narrow mindedness.
 
 I myself am partial to MapQuest from AoL, but I don't have a lot of
 experience with other apps. I tried MapQuest, since it was free, and since
 it's done everything I wanted to, I haven't look at much else, except for
 YellowPages, which I don't like as much, although I'm still looking at it. I
 would never think to call someone

Re: Talking gps?

[Les Kriegler]

Really?  That surprises me, as I wouldn't think The Seeing Eye would have the 
programming knowledge to create an App of this nature.

Les
On Aug 9, 2012, at 12:07 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sendero is not involved with this app. Sendero has teamed up with the Seeing 
 Eye (the Seeing Eye is paying the development costs) and developing the 
 Seeing Eye GPS app.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 09/08/2012, at 13:35, Paul Ferrara paul.ferr...@insightbb.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone know if Sendero is involved with this app at all and if they 
 plan on producing another GPS app for the iPhone?
 
 Paul
 - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:25 PM
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 
 Watch for Looktel Breadcrumbs coming any day now.  It sounds like it's for 
 pedestrian travel primarily.  I have high hopes for this one, as routes can 
 be created and I have confidence that Looktel will produce a solid product. 
 They would have released in July, but they received a couple of suggestions 
 that they decided to implement based on feedback they received at the 
 conventions, so they have to re-submit to Apple for a second approval.  A 
 rep from Looktel said it should be out within a week.
 
 Les
 On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 
 Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create routes 
 and you can't get turn by turn directions.
 
 Andy
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Jordan Gallacher
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?
 
 Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an appointment
 in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
 really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
 well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
 even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the use
 I get out of it.
 Jordan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Rob Harris
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?
 
 Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
 choices.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 
 Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
 trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Ron Pelletier
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones
 
 Hi,
 
 I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
 battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
 with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
 and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.
 
 They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.
 
 HTH
 
 Ron
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Musiclady
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
 To: Viphone Email list
 Subject: bone conducting headphones
 
 I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
 Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
 Thanks.
 Steph
 
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Re: Talking gps?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I assume Sendero is doing the programming and Seeing Eye is providing
the funding and the requirements.

On 09/08/12 00:17, Les Kriegler wrote:
 Really?  That surprises me, as I wouldn't think The Seeing Eye would have the 
 programming knowledge to create an App of this nature.
 
 Les
 On Aug 9, 2012, at 12:07 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sendero is not involved with this app. Sendero has teamed up with the Seeing 
 Eye (the Seeing Eye is paying the development costs) and developing the 
 Seeing Eye GPS app.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 09/08/2012, at 13:35, Paul Ferrara paul.ferr...@insightbb.com wrote:

 Does anyone know if Sendero is involved with this app at all and if they 
 plan on producing another GPS app for the iPhone?

 Paul
 - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:25 PM
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?


 Watch for Looktel Breadcrumbs coming any day now.  It sounds like it's for 
 pedestrian travel primarily.  I have high hopes for this one, as routes can 
 be created and I have confidence that Looktel will produce a solid product. 
 They would have released in July, but they received a couple of suggestions 
 that they decided to implement based on feedback they received at the 
 conventions, so they have to re-submit to Apple for a second approval.  A 
 rep from Looktel said it should be out within a week.

 Les
 On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:

 Ariadne is good, but it is only an orientation ap.  You can't create 
 routes and you can't get turn by turn directions.

 Andy


 -Original Message- From: Jordan Gallacher
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Talking gps?

 Ariande is good.  Navigone is crap.  I tried it when going to an 
 appointment
 in New Orleans, and it did not see the medical establishment.  Oschner is
 really big, and it has expanded to several other locations in the state as
 well.  I would avoid Navigone at all costs.  Motion X GPS Drive is great
 even though there is a subscription fee, which really is not bad for the 
 use
 I get out of it.
 Jordan

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Rob Harris
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:58 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Talking gps?

 Lots of apps of this for your iPhone,  Ariadne or Navigon being  the first
 choices.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:05 PM
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones


 Hi if I may ask are there any talking gps devices for blind other than the
 trecker that are a cheaper price as I am looking for one thanks.

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Ron Pelletier
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:03 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: bone conducting headphones

 Hi,

 I have the After Shokz which I find great.  They are rechargeable and the
 battery lasts a long time.  You recharge them in a USB port.  I use them
 with my Trekker as well as my IPhone.  You can get a model with microphone
 and one without and there is only $10 difference in price.

 They are not blue tooth and, right now, I don't know of any that are.

 HTH

 Ron

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Musiclady
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:38 AM
 To: Viphone Email list
 Subject: bone conducting headphones

 I seem te recall some one had some of these? What were they like?
 Which ones did you have, and do they use bluetoth.
 Thanks.
 Steph

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