Re: iPad, printer, keyboard case

[Russ Kiehne]

   IN my case, I bought a ipad mini 4 a couple of years back because it has 
better sound, more volume and battery life than my 5th generation ipod 
touch.


-Original Message- 
From: Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 1:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPad, printer, keyboard case

I agree from the point of a totally blind person. I had a big tablet, sold 
it. I was using the screen about as much as the keyboard, but like a small 
screen, which is why I like my SE.


I wanted to get a big Apple tablet for my husband, because he uses his 
Kindle Fire so much, charges a couple of times a day, but he says he likes 
the Kindle, is not interested in an iPad right now.


Best regards,

Carolyn

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 2:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPad, printer, keyboard case

Hi Reggie,

Why do you think an iPad will offer you a better experience than your 
iPhone? You can just as easily pair a keyboard with your iPhone and buy an 
Airprint compatible printer, just about all HP printers are and many others, 
just look for "Airprint".
What is the cost of an iPad Pro 9.7 inch with 256Gb of storage and the 
keyboard you mentioned in the US? Probably at least $1,000? You can buy a 
basic but completely capable Windows 10 laptop for half that and if you use 
NVDA youy wouldn't even have to pay for a screenreader. Just my two cents 
worth. Before you spend all that money I'd make an appointment at an Apple 
store and spend an hour or so with an iPad Pro 9.7 inch and see if you even 
like it, a lot of completely blind people find that large of a screen 
difficult when it comes to orientation or knowing where to look for what on 
the screen.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado

Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:10 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: iPad, printer, keyboard case

So, this is what I am thinking. I want the ability to print. I want the 
smallest screen I can get. I use my devices for apps, email, and messages. 
Instead of getting a newer mac and because I am used to IOS I am thinking of 
an iPad pro 9.7 inch screen, 128 or 256 gigs storage and Apple's smart 
keyboard and a printer that is compatible with this device.


1 Would an newer iPad be compatible with any printers?
2 if I have to go to iPad pro or even if iPad would do printing, what 
printer should i buy that is accessible?
3 Are there any iPad cases with built in keyboards that would automatically 
connect with either device or do they all have a number to put in?
Thank you for any thoughts. There is just so much out there, and the most 
important questions are not answered so asking here.



Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits 
of a broken heart." So God made a dog.


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RE: iPad, printer, keyboard case

[Carolyn Arnold]

I liked the Android layout of my RCA Galileo Pro tablet, because the apps were 
in alphabetical ordre. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 6:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad, printer, keyboard case


I have an iPhone SE and the Logitech K480 keyboard and a Brother Wi-Fi black 
and white Laserjet printer that work great together, and the total cost if I 
went out and bought them today would be about $600. 
As a totally blind person, I  cannot stand iPads for my personal use because of 
what Sieghard mentioned, plus the fact that apps have a different layout on the 
iPad. Mail is a particular pain since all the buttons you are used to being at 
the bottom of the screen are now at the top, not to mention the split screen 
thing that goes on. I am not sure what the iPad Pro 256 costs, but it is more 
than what my entire setup plus whatever they charge for the keyboard and 
printer, etc.
That Brother printer I mention, 2 or 3 years ago was I think $140 and it has a 
250 sheet paper tray, and is very fast. We have no need to print in color, not 
to mention the pain in the ... that ink-jets are with ink cartridges drying out 
etc.
(That may have been more than two cents worth, grin.( Richard



"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett







[Sent from my little hand-held computer]



On Aug 4, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:



Hi Reggie,

Why do you think an iPad will offer you a better experience than your 
iPhone? You can just as easily pair a keyboard with your iPhone and buy an 
Airprint compatible printer, just about all HP printers are and many others, 
just look for "Airprint".
What is the cost of an iPad Pro 9.7 inch with 256Gb of storage and the 
keyboard you mentioned in the US? Probably at least $1,000? You can buy a basic 
but completely capable Windows 10 laptop for half that and if you use NVDA youy 
wouldn't even have to pay for a screenreader. Just my two cents worth. Before 
you spend all that money I'd make an appointment at an Apple store and spend an 
hour or so with an iPad Pro 9.7 inch and see if you even like it, a lot of 
completely blind people find that large of a screen difficult when it comes to 
orientation or knowing where to look for what on the screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:10 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>
Subject: iPad, printer, keyboard case

So, this is what I am thinking. I want the ability to print. I want the 
smallest screen I can get. I use my devices for apps, email, and messages. 
Instead of getting a newer mac and because I am used to IOS I am thinking of an 
iPad pro 9.7 inch screen, 128 or 256 gigs storage and Apple's smart keyboard 
and a printer that is compatible with this device.

1 Would an newer iPad be compatible with any printers? 
2 if I have to go to iPad pro or even if iPad would do printing, what 
printer should i buy that is accessible?
3 Are there any iPad cases with built in keyboards that would 
automatically connect with either device or do they all have a number to put 
in? 
Thank you for any thoughts. There is just so much out there, and the 
most important questions are not answered so asking here.


Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, 
yet gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend 
all day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits 
of a broken heart." So God made a dog.

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RE: iPad, printer, keyboard case

[Carolyn Arnold]

I agree from the point of a totally blind person. I had a big tablet, sold it. 
I was using the screen about as much as the keyboard, but like a small screen, 
which is why I like my SE. 

I wanted to get a big Apple tablet for my husband, because he uses his Kindle 
Fire so much, charges a couple of times a day, but he says he likes the Kindle, 
is not interested in an iPad right now. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 2:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPad, printer, keyboard case

Hi Reggie,

Why do you think an iPad will offer you a better experience than your iPhone? 
You can just as easily pair a keyboard with your iPhone and buy an Airprint 
compatible printer, just about all HP printers are and many others, just look 
for "Airprint".
What is the cost of an iPad Pro 9.7 inch with 256Gb of storage and the keyboard 
you mentioned in the US? Probably at least $1,000? You can buy a basic but 
completely capable Windows 10 laptop for half that and if you use NVDA youy 
wouldn't even have to pay for a screenreader. Just my two cents worth. Before 
you spend all that money I'd make an appointment at an Apple store and spend an 
hour or so with an iPad Pro 9.7 inch and see if you even like it, a lot of 
completely blind people find that large of a screen difficult when it comes to 
orientation or knowing where to look for what on the screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:10 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: iPad, printer, keyboard case

So, this is what I am thinking. I want the ability to print. I want the 
smallest screen I can get. I use my devices for apps, email, and messages. 
Instead of getting a newer mac and because I am used to IOS I am thinking of an 
iPad pro 9.7 inch screen, 128 or 256 gigs storage and Apple's smart keyboard 
and a printer that is compatible with this device.

1 Would an newer iPad be compatible with any printers? 
2 if I have to go to iPad pro or even if iPad would do printing, what printer 
should i buy that is accessible?
3 Are there any iPad cases with built in keyboards that would automatically 
connect with either device or do they all have a number to put in? 
Thank you for any thoughts. There is just so much out there, and the most 
important questions are not answered so asking here.


Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.

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Re: iPad, printer, keyboard case

[Mary Otten]

I could see a couple of advantages to having a connected keyboard. One would be 
that you don’t have to worry about the freeze ups that happened with Bluetooth, 
or at least that used to be very common. I don’t know if they still are. 
Another advantage is portability. Throw it in your backpack. Not two devices, 
just one. Same thing goes for the Bluetooth speaker. Who needs that if you have 
the iPad which has decent speakers? I think it really comes down to how 
comfortable you are with the keyboard interface for the device. I should think 
it would be about the same on the iPad as it would be including with 
spreadsheets. Plus how important is easy portability? How important is it to 
you not to have to learn a whole new screen reader and operating system?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 5, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> For a blind person there is not so much an iPad would do that an iPad would 
> do. I can see the allure of an ipad Pro for a sighted person especially with 
> the Apple Pencil (styless) which let’s you do all sort of neat things, but 
> what difference does it make if the bluetooth keyboard is hooked to the 
> tablet or not. One other advantage of the iPad would be the much better and 
> louder speakers, but that’s nothing you can’t have with an iPhone by using a 
> bluetooth speaker or by having a set of wired speakers on the desk, remember 
> you are essentially dealing with the same interface and probably would find 
> that advanced word processing is just as much of a pain in the neck on an 
> iPad as it is on the iPhone and if you want to use Excel a bit then it gets 
> even worse.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
> alvarado
> Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 8:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPad, printer, keyboard case
>  
>  
> As usual Sieghard you are making me think. I will try and find the Brother 
> printer that is black and white for sure. I thought I wanted a keyboard 
> hooked to my device. I have a small keyboard I could use. I was just afraid 
> the iPhone wouldn't do those tasks you need a computer for. I do have a 
> genius bar appointment tomorrow, and that is why I am bringing this up now. 
> On Aug 5, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> I have an iPhone SE and the Logitech K480 keyboard and a Brother Wi-Fi black 
> and white Laserjet printer that work great together, and the total cost if I 
> went out and bought them today would be about $600.
> As a totally blind person, I  cannot stand iPads for my personal use because 
> of what Sieghard mentioned, plus the fact that apps have a different layout 
> on the iPad. Mail is a particular pain since all the buttons you are used to 
> being at the bottom of the screen are now at the top, not to mention the 
> split screen thing that goes on. I am not sure what the iPad Pro 256 costs, 
> but it is more than what my entire setup plus whatever they charge for the 
> keyboard and printer, etc.
> That Brother printer I mention, 2 or 3 years ago was I think $140 and it has 
> a 250 sheet paper tray, and is very fast. We have no need to print in color, 
> not to mention the pain in the ... that ink-jets are with ink cartridges 
> drying out etc.
> (That may have been more than two cents worth, grin.( 
> Richard
>  
>  
> "I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
> there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett
>  
>  
> [Sent from my little hand-held computer]
>  
> 
> On Aug 4, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Reggie,
> 
> Why do you think an iPad will offer you a better experience than your iPhone? 
> You can just as easily pair a keyboard with your iPhone and buy an Airprint 
> compatible printer, just about all HP printers are and many others, just look 
> for "Airprint".
> What is the cost of an iPad Pro 9.7 inch with 256Gb of storage and the 
> keyboard you mentioned in the US? Probably at least $1,000? You can buy a 
> basic but completely capable Windows 10 laptop for half that and if you use 
> NVDA youy wouldn't even have to pay for a screenreader. Just my two cents 
> worth. Before you spend all that money I'd make an appointment at an Apple 
> store and spend an hour or so with an iPad Pro 9.7 inch and see if you even 
> like it, a lot of completely blind people find that large of a screen 
> difficult when it comes to orientation or knowing where to look for what on 
> the screen.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
> alvarado
> Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:10 PM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: iPad, printer, keyboard case
> 
> So, this is

RE: iPad, printer, keyboard case

[Sieghard Weitzel]

For a blind person there is not so much an iPad would do that an iPad would do. 
I can see the allure of an ipad Pro for a sighted person especially with the 
Apple Pencil (styless) which let’s you do all sort of neat things, but what 
difference does it make if the bluetooth keyboard is hooked to the tablet or 
not. One other advantage of the iPad would be the much better and louder 
speakers, but that’s nothing you can’t have with an iPhone by using a bluetooth 
speaker or by having a set of wired speakers on the desk, remember you are 
essentially dealing with the same interface and probably would find that 
advanced word processing is just as much of a pain in the neck on an iPad as it 
is on the iPhone and if you want to use Excel a bit then it gets even worse.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 8:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad, printer, keyboard case


As usual Sieghard you are making me think. I will try and find the Brother 
printer that is black and white for sure. I thought I wanted a keyboard hooked 
to my device. I have a small keyboard I could use. I was just afraid the iPhone 
wouldn't do those tasks you need a computer for. I do have a genius bar 
appointment tomorrow, and that is why I am bringing this up now.
On Aug 5, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I have an iPhone SE and the Logitech K480 keyboard and a Brother Wi-Fi black 
and white Laserjet printer that work great together, and the total cost if I 
went out and bought them today would be about $600.
As a totally blind person, I  cannot stand iPads for my personal use because of 
what Sieghard mentioned, plus the fact that apps have a different layout on the 
iPad. Mail is a particular pain since all the buttons you are used to being at 
the bottom of the screen are now at the top, not to mention the split screen 
thing that goes on. I am not sure what the iPad Pro 256 costs, but it is more 
than what my entire setup plus whatever they charge for the keyboard and 
printer, etc.
That Brother printer I mention, 2 or 3 years ago was I think $140 and it has a 
250 sheet paper tray, and is very fast. We have no need to print in color, not 
to mention the pain in the ... that ink-jets are with ink cartridges drying out 
etc.
(That may have been more than two cents worth, grin.(
Richard



"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett





[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Aug 4, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Reggie,

Why do you think an iPad will offer you a better experience than your iPhone? 
You can just as easily pair a keyboard with your iPhone and buy an Airprint 
compatible printer, just about all HP printers are and many others, just look 
for "Airprint".
What is the cost of an iPad Pro 9.7 inch with 256Gb of storage and the keyboard 
you mentioned in the US? Probably at least $1,000? You can buy a basic but 
completely capable Windows 10 laptop for half that and if you use NVDA youy 
wouldn't even have to pay for a screenreader. Just my two cents worth. Before 
you spend all that money I'd make an appointment at an Apple store and spend an 
hour or so with an iPad Pro 9.7 inch and see if you even like it, a lot of 
completely blind people find that large of a screen difficult when it comes to 
orientation or knowing where to look for what on the screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:10 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: iPad, printer, keyboard case

So, this is what I am thinking. I want the ability to print. I want the 
smallest screen I can get. I use my devices for apps, email, and messages. 
Instead of getting a newer mac and because I am used to IOS I am thinking of an 
iPad pro 9.7 inch screen, 128 or 256 gigs storage and Apple's smart keyboard 
and a printer that is compatible with this device.

1 Would an newer iPad be compatible with any printers?
2 if I have to go to iPad pro or even if iPad would do printing, what printer 
should i buy that is accessible?
3 Are there any iPad cases with built in keyboards that would automatically 
connect with either device or do they all have a number to put in?
Thank you for any thoughts. There is just so much out there, and the most 
important questions are not answered so asking here.


Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog

RE: iPad, printer, keyboard case

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

I agree with respect to printers, I just bought an HP Laserjet Pro M102W which 
is Airprint capable and when I just checked on Amazon.com I saw it for $99.
Here some of the features:
Black-and-white printer: Black-and-white prints at up to 23 ppm.
Wireless printing: Print and share with notebooks or PCs on an existing 
wireless network, using the freedom of built-in wireless.
Wi-Fi Direct: Send print jobs quickly and efficiently—wirelessly without a 
network.
AirPrint: Print from your Apple iPad, iPhone and iPod touch to your HP printer.
Easy mobile printing: Print straight from your smartphone or tablet in just a 
few simple steps.
Fast wake-up and print: This printer wakes up fast and prints your first page 
faster—in as quickly as 7.3 seconds.
Page Maximizer Technology: More prints with Original HP toner cartridges with 
JetIntelligence.
HP Auto-On/Auto-Off Technology: Save energy with intelligence that turns the 
printer on when it’s needed and off when it isn’t.
Instant-on Technology: Stay efficient with technology that quickly starts up 
print jobs from low-power mode.
ENERGY STAR: Save energy with this ENERGY STAR printer.
Compact size: The compact design takes up little space.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 3:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad, printer, keyboard case


I have an iPhone SE and the Logitech K480 keyboard and a Brother Wi-Fi black 
and white Laserjet printer that work great together, and the total cost if I 
went out and bought them today would be about $600.
As a totally blind person, I  cannot stand iPads for my personal use because of 
what Sieghard mentioned, plus the fact that apps have a different layout on the 
iPad. Mail is a particular pain since all the buttons you are used to being at 
the bottom of the screen are now at the top, not to mention the split screen 
thing that goes on. I am not sure what the iPad Pro 256 costs, but it is more 
than what my entire setup plus whatever they charge for the keyboard and 
printer, etc.
That Brother printer I mention, 2 or 3 years ago was I think $140 and it has a 
250 sheet paper tray, and is very fast. We have no need to print in color, not 
to mention the pain in the ... that ink-jets are with ink cartridges drying out 
etc.
(That may have been more than two cents worth, grin.(
Richard



"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett





[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Aug 4, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Reggie,

Why do you think an iPad will offer you a better experience than your iPhone? 
You can just as easily pair a keyboard with your iPhone and buy an Airprint 
compatible printer, just about all HP printers are and many others, just look 
for "Airprint".
What is the cost of an iPad Pro 9.7 inch with 256Gb of storage and the keyboard 
you mentioned in the US? Probably at least $1,000? You can buy a basic but 
completely capable Windows 10 laptop for half that and if you use NVDA youy 
wouldn't even have to pay for a screenreader. Just my two cents worth. Before 
you spend all that money I'd make an appointment at an Apple store and spend an 
hour or so with an iPad Pro 9.7 inch and see if you even like it, a lot of 
completely blind people find that large of a screen difficult when it comes to 
orientation or knowing where to look for what on the screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:10 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: iPad, printer, keyboard case

So, this is what I am thinking. I want the ability to print. I want the 
smallest screen I can get. I use my devices for apps, email, and messages. 
Instead of getting a newer mac and because I am used to IOS I am thinking of an 
iPad pro 9.7 inch screen, 128 or 256 gigs storage and Apple's smart keyboard 
and a printer that is compatible with this device.

1 Would an newer iPad be compatible with any printers?
2 if I have to go to iPad pro or even if iPad would do printing, what printer 
should i buy that is accessible?
3 Are there any iPad cases with built in keyboards that would automatically 
connect with either device or do they all have a number to put in?
Thank you for any thoughts. There is just so much out there, and the most 
important questions are not answered so asking here.


Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.

--

Re: iPad, printer, keyboard case

[Mary Otten]

On the other hand, if you don’t want to fool with learning windows and NVDA, 
and you are pretty comfortable with the voiceover commands on the keyboard, you 
could skip the iPad Pro, purchase the 9.7 inch regular iPad not pro, that just 
came out this year, and get by for a few hundred dollars less than you would if 
you purchased a pro. The good thing about having two devices is that you don’t 
blow the battery out of just the one, and end up needing battery when you don’t 
have any. 
I agree that the larger screen and the different way that some abs look is a 
pain, as richard noted. But if you really don’t have any experience with 
windows and screen reader there, that is a serious learning curve. So I would 
think twice about just going that way. I can’t remember if you said you did 
have or did not have windows experience.


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> On Aug 4, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Reggie,
> 
> Why do you think an iPad will offer you a better experience than your iPhone? 
> You can just as easily pair a keyboard with your iPhone and buy an Airprint 
> compatible printer, just about all HP printers are and many others, just look 
> for "Airprint".
> What is the cost of an iPad Pro 9.7 inch with 256Gb of storage and the 
> keyboard you mentioned in the US? Probably at least $1,000? You can buy a 
> basic but completely capable Windows 10 laptop for half that and if you use 
> NVDA youy wouldn't even have to pay for a screenreader. Just my two cents 
> worth. Before you spend all that money I'd make an appointment at an Apple 
> store and spend an hour or so with an iPad Pro 9.7 inch and see if you even 
> like it, a lot of completely blind people find that large of a screen 
> difficult when it comes to orientation or knowing where to look for what on 
> the screen.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
> alvarado
> Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:10 PM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: iPad, printer, keyboard case
> 
> So, this is what I am thinking. I want the ability to print. I want the 
> smallest screen I can get. I use my devices for apps, email, and messages. 
> Instead of getting a newer mac and because I am used to IOS I am thinking of 
> an iPad pro 9.7 inch screen, 128 or 256 gigs storage and Apple's smart 
> keyboard and a printer that is compatible with this device.
> 
> 1 Would an newer iPad be compatible with any printers? 
> 2 if I have to go to iPad pro or even if iPad would do printing, what printer 
> should i buy that is accessible?
> 3 Are there any iPad cases with built in keyboards that would automatically 
> connect with either device or do they all have a number to put in? 
> Thank you for any thoughts. There is just so much out there, and the most 
> important questions are not answered so asking here.
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of 
> a broken heart." So God made a dog.
> 
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RE: iPad, printer, keyboard case

[Richard Turner]

For what it is worth, the model of Brother printer I have is the HL-l2360D.
It can do double sided printing and work either over WiFi or via USB.
So if someone in the household doesn’t have wireless printing capability on 
their device, they can plug directly in with a USb printer cable.
I’m sure the models have changed by now, but they should be very similar.  When 
we had one that was USB only, it didn’t look much different than this one.

The set up is best done by someone with vision, though I suspect it could be 
done using a screen reader.

HTH,
Richard




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 8:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad, printer, keyboard case


As usual Sieghard you are making me think. I will try and find the Brother 
printer that is black and white for sure. I thought I wanted a keyboard hooked 
to my device. I have a small keyboard I could use. I was just afraid the iPhone 
wouldn't do those tasks you need a computer for. I do have a genius bar 
appointment tomorrow, and that is why I am bringing this up now.
On Aug 5, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I have an iPhone SE and the Logitech K480 keyboard and a Brother Wi-Fi black 
and white Laserjet printer that work great together, and the total cost if I 
went out and bought them today would be about $600.
As a totally blind person, I  cannot stand iPads for my personal use because of 
what Sieghard mentioned, plus the fact that apps have a different layout on the 
iPad. Mail is a particular pain since all the buttons you are used to being at 
the bottom of the screen are now at the top, not to mention the split screen 
thing that goes on. I am not sure what the iPad Pro 256 costs, but it is more 
than what my entire setup plus whatever they charge for the keyboard and 
printer, etc.
That Brother printer I mention, 2 or 3 years ago was I think $140 and it has a 
250 sheet paper tray, and is very fast. We have no need to print in color, not 
to mention the pain in the ... that ink-jets are with ink cartridges drying out 
etc.
(That may have been more than two cents worth, grin.(
Richard



"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett





[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Aug 4, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Reggie,

Why do you think an iPad will offer you a better experience than your iPhone? 
You can just as easily pair a keyboard with your iPhone and buy an Airprint 
compatible printer, just about all HP printers are and many others, just look 
for "Airprint".
What is the cost of an iPad Pro 9.7 inch with 256Gb of storage and the keyboard 
you mentioned in the US? Probably at least $1,000? You can buy a basic but 
completely capable Windows 10 laptop for half that and if you use NVDA youy 
wouldn't even have to pay for a screenreader. Just my two cents worth. Before 
you spend all that money I'd make an appointment at an Apple store and spend an 
hour or so with an iPad Pro 9.7 inch and see if you even like it, a lot of 
completely blind people find that large of a screen difficult when it comes to 
orientation or knowing where to look for what on the screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:10 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: iPad, printer, keyboard case

So, this is what I am thinking. I want the ability to print. I want the 
smallest screen I can get. I use my devices for apps, email, and messages. 
Instead of getting a newer mac and because I am used to IOS I am thinking of an 
iPad pro 9.7 inch screen, 128 or 256 gigs storage and Apple's smart keyboard 
and a printer that is compatible with this device.

1 Would an newer iPad be compatible with any printers?
2 if I have to go to iPad pro or even if iPad would do printing, what printer 
should i buy that is accessible?
3 Are there any iPad cases with built in keyboards that would automatically 
connect with either device or do they all have a number to put in?
Thank you for any thoughts. There is just so much out there, and the most 
important questions are not answered so asking here.


Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.

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Re: iPad, printer, keyboard case

[regina alvarado]

As usual Sieghard you are making me think. I will try and find the Brother 
printer that is black and white for sure. I thought I wanted a keyboard hooked 
to my device. I have a small keyboard I could use. I was just afraid the iPhone 
wouldn't do those tasks you need a computer for. I do have a genius bar 
appointment tomorrow, and that is why I am bringing this up now. 
On Aug 5, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:


I have an iPhone SE and the Logitech K480 keyboard and a Brother Wi-Fi black 
and white Laserjet printer that work great together, and the total cost if I 
went out and bought them today would be about $600.
As a totally blind person, I  cannot stand iPads for my personal use because of 
what Sieghard mentioned, plus the fact that apps have a different layout on the 
iPad. Mail is a particular pain since all the buttons you are used to being at 
the bottom of the screen are now at the top, not to mention the split screen 
thing that goes on. I am not sure what the iPad Pro 256 costs, but it is more 
than what my entire setup plus whatever they charge for the keyboard and 
printer, etc.
That Brother printer I mention, 2 or 3 years ago was I think $140 and it has a 
250 sheet paper tray, and is very fast. We have no need to print in color, not 
to mention the pain in the ... that ink-jets are with ink cartridges drying out 
etc.
(That may have been more than two cents worth, grin.( 
Richard


"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett


[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Aug 4, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hi Reggie,
> 
> Why do you think an iPad will offer you a better experience than your iPhone? 
> You can just as easily pair a keyboard with your iPhone and buy an Airprint 
> compatible printer, just about all HP printers are and many others, just look 
> for "Airprint".
> What is the cost of an iPad Pro 9.7 inch with 256Gb of storage and the 
> keyboard you mentioned in the US? Probably at least $1,000? You can buy a 
> basic but completely capable Windows 10 laptop for half that and if you use 
> NVDA youy wouldn't even have to pay for a screenreader. Just my two cents 
> worth. Before you spend all that money I'd make an appointment at an Apple 
> store and spend an hour or so with an iPad Pro 9.7 inch and see if you even 
> like it, a lot of completely blind people find that large of a screen 
> difficult when it comes to orientation or knowing where to look for what on 
> the screen.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
> alvarado
> Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:10 PM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: iPad, printer, keyboard case
> 
> So, this is what I am thinking. I want the ability to print. I want the 
> smallest screen I can get. I use my devices for apps, email, and messages. 
> Instead of getting a newer mac and because I am used to IOS I am thinking of 
> an iPad pro 9.7 inch screen, 128 or 256 gigs storage and Apple's smart 
> keyboard and a printer that is compatible with this device.
> 
> 1 Would an newer iPad be compatible with any printers? 
> 2 if I have to go to iPad pro or even if iPad would do printing, what printer 
> should i buy that is accessible?
> 3 Are there any iPad cases with built in keyboards that would automatically 
> connect with either device or do they all have a number to put in? 
> Thank you for any thoughts. There is just so much out there, and the most 
> important questions are not answered so asking here.
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of 
> a broken heart." So God made a dog.
> 
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Re: iPad, printer, keyboard case

[Richard Turner]

I have an iPhone SE and the Logitech K480 keyboard and a Brother Wi-Fi black 
and white Laserjet printer that work great together, and the total cost if I 
went out and bought them today would be about $600.
As a totally blind person, I  cannot stand iPads for my personal use because of 
what Sieghard mentioned, plus the fact that apps have a different layout on the 
iPad. Mail is a particular pain since all the buttons you are used to being at 
the bottom of the screen are now at the top, not to mention the split screen 
thing that goes on. I am not sure what the iPad Pro 256 costs, but it is more 
than what my entire setup plus whatever they charge for the keyboard and 
printer, etc.
That Brother printer I mention, 2 or 3 years ago was I think $140 and it has a 
250 sheet paper tray, and is very fast. We have no need to print in color, not 
to mention the pain in the ... that ink-jets are with ink cartridges drying out 
etc.
(That may have been more than two cents worth, grin.(
Richard



"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Aug 4, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi Reggie,

Why do you think an iPad will offer you a better experience than your iPhone? 
You can just as easily pair a keyboard with your iPhone and buy an Airprint 
compatible printer, just about all HP printers are and many others, just look 
for "Airprint".
What is the cost of an iPad Pro 9.7 inch with 256Gb of storage and the keyboard 
you mentioned in the US? Probably at least $1,000? You can buy a basic but 
completely capable Windows 10 laptop for half that and if you use NVDA youy 
wouldn't even have to pay for a screenreader. Just my two cents worth. Before 
you spend all that money I'd make an appointment at an Apple store and spend an 
hour or so with an iPad Pro 9.7 inch and see if you even like it, a lot of 
completely blind people find that large of a screen difficult when it comes to 
orientation or knowing where to look for what on the screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:10 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: iPad, printer, keyboard case

So, this is what I am thinking. I want the ability to print. I want the 
smallest screen I can get. I use my devices for apps, email, and messages. 
Instead of getting a newer mac and because I am used to IOS I am thinking of an 
iPad pro 9.7 inch screen, 128 or 256 gigs storage and Apple's smart keyboard 
and a printer that is compatible with this device.

1 Would an newer iPad be compatible with any printers?
2 if I have to go to iPad pro or even if iPad would do printing, what printer 
should i buy that is accessible?
3 Are there any iPad cases with built in keyboards that would automatically 
connect with either device or do they all have a number to put in?
Thank you for any thoughts. There is just so much out there, and the most 
important questions are not answered so asking here.


Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.

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RE: iPad, printer, keyboard case

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Reggie,

Why do you think an iPad will offer you a better experience than your iPhone? 
You can just as easily pair a keyboard with your iPhone and buy an Airprint 
compatible printer, just about all HP printers are and many others, just look 
for "Airprint".
What is the cost of an iPad Pro 9.7 inch with 256Gb of storage and the keyboard 
you mentioned in the US? Probably at least $1,000? You can buy a basic but 
completely capable Windows 10 laptop for half that and if you use NVDA youy 
wouldn't even have to pay for a screenreader. Just my two cents worth. Before 
you spend all that money I'd make an appointment at an Apple store and spend an 
hour or so with an iPad Pro 9.7 inch and see if you even like it, a lot of 
completely blind people find that large of a screen difficult when it comes to 
orientation or knowing where to look for what on the screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:10 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: iPad, printer, keyboard case

So, this is what I am thinking. I want the ability to print. I want the 
smallest screen I can get. I use my devices for apps, email, and messages. 
Instead of getting a newer mac and because I am used to IOS I am thinking of an 
iPad pro 9.7 inch screen, 128 or 256 gigs storage and Apple's smart keyboard 
and a printer that is compatible with this device.

1 Would an newer iPad be compatible with any printers? 
2 if I have to go to iPad pro or even if iPad would do printing, what printer 
should i buy that is accessible?
3 Are there any iPad cases with built in keyboards that would automatically 
connect with either device or do they all have a number to put in? 
Thank you for any thoughts. There is just so much out there, and the most 
important questions are not answered so asking here.


Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.

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