subject:"Re\: Blind Square and Four Square"

RE: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-12 Thread Larry Lumpkin

Blindsquare uses 4 square’s database of pois.  You don’t have to have a 4 
square account to use blindsquare but I think it helps you check into a place 
if you wish.  I don’t use the internals of 4 square so don’t know much about 
it.  Blindsquare uses open street maps for it’s map data.

 

 

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Re: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-12 Thread Andy Baracco

None really, unless you are into playing the games.

Andy

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RE: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-16 Thread Chip Orange

And I have to say it’s map data isn’t all that accurate in smaller towns which 
may not have a lot of OSM volunteers to correct it.  They need to allow people 
who are blind to submit corrections somehow.

 

Try Arriadne GPS for more accurate mapping data, but without the four square 
business info.

 

Chip

 

 

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Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square

 

Blindsquare uses 4 square’s database of pois.  You don’t have to have a 4 
square account to use blindsquare but I think it helps you check into a place 
if you wish.  I don’t use the internals of 4 square so don’t know much about 
it.  Blindsquare uses open street maps for it’s map data.

 

 

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Re: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-16 Thread Andy Baracco

In my area i have seen 4square POIs that were as much as half a mile away from 
the actual location.
Andy

From: Chip Orange 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square
And I have to say it’s map data isn’t all that accurate in smaller towns which 
may not have a lot of OSM volunteers to correct it.  They need to allow people 
who are blind to submit corrections somehow.

Try Arriadne GPS for more accurate mapping data, but without the four square 
business info.

Chip

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Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square

Blindsquare uses 4 square’s database of pois.  You don’t have to have a 4 
square account to use blindsquare but I think it helps you check into a place 
if you wish.  I don’t use the internals of 4 square so don’t know much about 
it.  Blindsquare uses open street maps for it’s map data.

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RE: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-17 Thread Chip Orange

I really wish we had a blind-friendly navigational GPS app which used Google 
map data; I don’t know why we don’t, the Google data is freely available (I 
wrote such an app for laptops running Window-Eyes, which had a GPS receiver).  
Yes, there could be a charge from Google to the app developer if you have a 
high enough volume of data queries, but it was very small, so charging a little 
something for the app should easily cover it.  I never had to pay anything.

 

Google would also give you all the POIs as well as the mapping data (I did in 
my app), so you would not have to use four square.  I think it would be a big 
improvement.

 

 

Chip

 

 

 

 

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Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square

 

In my area i have seen 4square POIs that were as much as half a mile away from 
the actual location.

Andy

 

From: Chip Orange <mailto:lists3...@comcast.net>  

Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:03 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square

And I have to say it’s map data isn’t all that accurate in smaller towns which 
may not have a lot of OSM volunteers to correct it.  They need to allow people 
who are blind to submit corrections somehow.

 

Try Arriadne GPS for more accurate mapping data, but without the four square 
business info.

 

Chip

 

 

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Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square

 

Blindsquare uses 4 square’s database of pois.  You don’t have to have a 4 
square account to use blindsquare but I think it helps you check into a place 
if you wish.  I don’t use the internals of 4 square so don’t know much about 
it.  Blindsquare uses open street maps for it’s map data.

 

 

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Subject: Blind Square and Four Square

 

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Re: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-17 Thread englishrider91

Doesn't Seeing Eye GPS use Google Maps data? I thought it did.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Chip Orange  wrote:
> 
> I really wish we had a blind-friendly navigational GPS app which used Google 
> map data; I don’t know why we don’t, the Google data is freely available (I 
> wrote such an app for laptops running Window-Eyes, which had a GPS receiver). 
>  Yes, there could be a charge from Google to the app developer if you have a 
> high enough volume of data queries, but it was very small, so charging a 
> little something for the app should easily cover it.  I never had to pay 
> anything.
>  
> Google would also give you all the POIs as well as the mapping data (I did in 
> my app), so you would not have to use four square.  I think it would be a big 
> improvement.
>  
>  
> Chip
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>  
> In my area i have seen 4square POIs that were as much as half a mile away 
> from the actual location.
> Andy
>  
> From: Chip Orange
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square
> And I have to say it’s map data isn’t all that accurate in smaller towns 
> which may not have a lot of OSM volunteers to correct it.  They need to allow 
> people who are blind to submit corrections somehow.
>  
> Try Arriadne GPS for more accurate mapping data, but without the four square 
> business info.
>  
> Chip
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square
>  
> Blindsquare uses 4 square’s database of pois.  You don’t have to have a 4 
> square account to use blindsquare but I think it helps you check into a place 
> if you wish.  I don’t use the internals of 4 square so don’t know much about 
> it.  Blindsquare uses open street maps for it’s map data.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dulce Muccio Weisenborn
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Blind Square and Four Square
>  
> What are the advantages of using these two apps together?
>  
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RE: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-17 Thread Chip Orange

It might … but I thought they bought map data from NavTech or some company like 
that (at least they did for their other braille note products).

 

I don’t know enough about them, but I thought they charged a yearly fee, and I 
didn’t want to own them like that if that was the case.

However, I am really disappointed in Blind Square so far.

 

Chip

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square

 

Doesn't Seeing Eye GPS use Google Maps data? I thought it did.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Chip Orange  wrote:

I really wish we had a blind-friendly navigational GPS app which used Google 
map data; I don’t know why we don’t, the Google data is freely available (I 
wrote such an app for laptops running Window-Eyes, which had a GPS receiver).  
Yes, there could be a charge from Google to the app developer if you have a 
high enough volume of data queries, but it was very small, so charging a little 
something for the app should easily cover it.  I never had to pay anything.

 

Google would also give you all the POIs as well as the mapping data (I did in 
my app), so you would not have to use four square.  I think it would be a big 
improvement.

 

 

Chip

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square

 

In my area i have seen 4square POIs that were as much as half a mile away from 
the actual location.

Andy

 

From: Chip Orange <mailto:lists3...@comcast.net>  

Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:03 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square

And I have to say it’s map data isn’t all that accurate in smaller towns which 
may not have a lot of OSM volunteers to correct it.  They need to allow people 
who are blind to submit corrections somehow.

 

Try Arriadne GPS for more accurate mapping data, but without the four square 
business info.

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square

 

Blindsquare uses 4 square’s database of pois.  You don’t have to have a 4 
square account to use blindsquare but I think it helps you check into a place 
if you wish.  I don’t use the internals of 4 square so don’t know much about 
it.  Blindsquare uses open street maps for it’s map data.

 

 

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Dulce Muccio Weisenborn
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Blind Square and Four Square

 

What are the advantages of using these two apps together?

 


 
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Re: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-18 Thread Wayne Merritt

The one big advantage with Blind Square and FourSquare is that you can
access menus from various restaurants and fast food places through
BlindSquare. That menu data is pulled directly from FourSquare from
what I understand. It can vary in quality, where with the Subway menu
I get a listing of all of their sandwiches, but with other
restaurants, the menus are very comprehensive. And some menus I've
pulled up in BlindSquare just list a few things. However, when I go to
other locations of the same restaurant I can get more of an actual
menu. Though you can "check in" to places with BlindSquare, that
functionality has been split off from the FourSquare app. FourSquare
is more about keeping up with where your friends/follwers are, whereas
Swarm is for checking in, in case anyone cares. Anyway, I've had
BlindSquare since January and haven't regretted the $30 cost.

Wayne

On 7/17/16, Chip Orange  wrote:
> It might … but I thought they bought map data from NavTech or some company
> like that (at least they did for their other braille note products).
>
>
>
> I don’t know enough about them, but I thought they charged a yearly fee, and
> I didn’t want to own them like that if that was the case.
>
> However, I am really disappointed in Blind Square so far.
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of englishride...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>
>
>
> Doesn't Seeing Eye GPS use Google Maps data? I thought it did.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ari
>
>
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Chip Orange  wrote:
>
> I really wish we had a blind-friendly navigational GPS app which used Google
> map data; I don’t know why we don’t, the Google data is freely available (I
> wrote such an app for laptops running Window-Eyes, which had a GPS
> receiver).  Yes, there could be a charge from Google to the app developer if
> you have a high enough volume of data queries, but it was very small, so
> charging a little something for the app should easily cover it.  I never had
> to pay anything.
>
>
>
> Google would also give you all the POIs as well as the mapping data (I did
> in my app), so you would not have to use four square.  I think it would be a
> big improvement.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>
>
>
> In my area i have seen 4square POIs that were as much as half a mile away
> from the actual location.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> From: Chip Orange <mailto:lists3...@comcast.net>
>
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:03 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square
>
> And I have to say it’s map data isn’t all that accurate in smaller towns
> which may not have a lot of OSM volunteers to correct it.  They need to
> allow people who are blind to submit corrections somehow.
>
>
>
> Try Arriadne GPS for more accurate mapping data, but without the four square
> business info.
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square
>
>
>
> Blindsquare uses 4 square’s database of pois.  You don’t have to have a 4
> square account to use blindsquare but I think it helps you check into a
> place if you wish.  I don’t use the internals of 4 square so don’t know much
> about it.  Blindsquare uses open street maps for it’s map data.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dulce Muccio Weisenborn
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Blind Square and Four Square
>
>
>
> What are the advantages of using these two apps together?
>
>
>
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Re: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-19 Thread Daniel L. Gervais

Hi Wayne,

Quick question, how do you find the menus through BlindSquare?  I am
assuming that you would double tap on the place within BlindSquare and
that there would be a button within the restaurant summary page that
would say "Menu" or something?


From:   Wayne Merritt 
To: 
Date:   2016/07/18 5:45 PM
Subject:    Re: Blind Square and Four Square

The one big advantage with Blind Square and FourSquare is that you can
access menus from various restaurants and fast food places through
BlindSquare. That menu data is pulled directly from FourSquare from
what I understand. It can vary in quality, where with the Subway menu
I get a listing of all of their sandwiches, but with other
restaurants, the menus are very comprehensive. And some menus I've
pulled up in BlindSquare just list a few things. However, when I go to
other locations of the same restaurant I can get more of an actual
menu. Though you can "check in" to places with BlindSquare, that
functionality has been split off from the FourSquare app. FourSquare
is more about keeping up with where your friends/follwers are, whereas
Swarm is for checking in, in case anyone cares. Anyway, I've had
BlindSquare since January and haven't regretted the $30 cost.

Wayne

On 7/17/16, Chip Orange  wrote:
> It might … but I thought they bought map data from NavTech or some
company
> like that (at least they did for their other braille note products).
>
>
>
> I don’t know enough about them, but I thought they charged a yearly
fee, and
> I didn’t want to own them like that if that was the case.
>
> However, I am really disappointed in Blind Square so far.
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of englishride...@gmail.com 
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>
>
>
> Doesn't Seeing Eye GPS use Google Maps data? I thought it did.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ari
>
>
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Chip Orange 
wrote:
>
> I really wish we had a blind-friendly navigational GPS app which used
Google
> map data; I don’t know why we don’t, the Google data is freely
available (I
> wrote such an app for laptops running Window-Eyes, which had a GPS
> receiver).  Yes, there could be a charge from Google to the app
developer if
> you have a high enough volume of data queries, but it was very small,
so
> charging a little something for the app should easily cover it.  I
never had
> to pay anything.
>
>
>
> Google would also give you all the POIs as well as the mapping data
(I did
> in my app), so you would not have to use four square.  I think it
would be a
> big improvement.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>
>
>
> In my area i have seen 4square POIs that were as much as half a mile
away
> from the actual location.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> From: Chip Orange <mailto:lists3...@comcast.net>
>
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:03 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>
> Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square
>
> And I have to say it’s map data isn’t all that accurate in
smaller towns
> which may not have a lot of OSM volunteers to correct it.  They need
to
> allow people who are blind to submit corrections somehow.
>
>
>
> Try Arriadne GPS for more accurate mapping data, but without the four
square
> business info.
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square
>
>
>
> Blindsquare uses 4 square’s database of pois.  You don’t have to
have a 4
> square account to use blindsquare but I think it helps you check into
a
> place if you wish.  I don’t use the internals of 4 square so
don’t know much
> about it.  Blindsquare uses open street maps for it’s map data.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Dulce Muccio Weisenborn
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Blind Square and Four Square
>
>
>
> What are the advantages of using these two apps together?
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-19 Thread Wayne Merritt

Greetings. You got it. Once you bring up the place summary screen,
which has information such as the address, phone number, and buttons
for various things like the website, tips from FourSquare, and so
forth; keep swiping through and there will be a Menu button. Once you
activate this after a short delay the menu will come up. To get back
to the place summary screen hit the back button in the upper left
corner. If you like the restaurant, you can toggle the Favorite button
on in the place summary screen. There's a lot of information on the
place summary screen so it pays to go through and explore. Also, if
you do a search for restaurants, when going through the search
results, BlindSquare will announce if there is a menu for a
restaurant. If there's not a menu then it will not be announced.

Good luck,
Wayne

On 7/19/16, Daniel L. Gervais  wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
>
> Quick question, how do you find the menus through BlindSquare?  I am
> assuming that you would double tap on the place within BlindSquare and
> that there would be a button within the restaurant summary page that
> would say "Menu" or something?
>
>
> From: Wayne Merritt 
> To:   
> Date:     2016/07/18 5:45 PM
> Subject:  Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>
> The one big advantage with Blind Square and FourSquare is that you can
> access menus from various restaurants and fast food places through
> BlindSquare. That menu data is pulled directly from FourSquare from
> what I understand. It can vary in quality, where with the Subway menu
> I get a listing of all of their sandwiches, but with other
> restaurants, the menus are very comprehensive. And some menus I've
> pulled up in BlindSquare just list a few things. However, when I go to
> other locations of the same restaurant I can get more of an actual
> menu. Though you can "check in" to places with BlindSquare, that
> functionality has been split off from the FourSquare app. FourSquare
> is more about keeping up with where your friends/follwers are, whereas
> Swarm is for checking in, in case anyone cares. Anyway, I've had
> BlindSquare since January and haven't regretted the $30 cost.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 7/17/16, Chip Orange  wrote:
>> It might … but I thought they bought map data from NavTech or some
> company
>> like that (at least they did for their other braille note products).
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t know enough about them, but I thought they charged a yearly
> fee, and
>> I didn’t want to own them like that if that was the case.
>>
>> However, I am really disappointed in Blind Square so far.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
>> Of englishride...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>>
>>
>>
>> Doesn't Seeing Eye GPS use Google Maps data? I thought it did.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ari
>>
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Chip Orange 
> wrote:
>>
>> I really wish we had a blind-friendly navigational GPS app which used
> Google
>> map data; I don’t know why we don’t, the Google data is freely
> available (I
>> wrote such an app for laptops running Window-Eyes, which had a GPS
>> receiver).  Yes, there could be a charge from Google to the app
> developer if
>> you have a high enough volume of data queries, but it was very small,
> so
>> charging a little something for the app should easily cover it.  I
> never had
>> to pay anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> Google would also give you all the POIs as well as the mapping data
> (I did
>> in my app), so you would not have to use four square.  I think it
> would be a
>> big improvement.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
>> Of Andy Baracco
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>>
>>
>>
>> In my area i have seen 4square POIs that were as much as half a mile
> away
>> from the actual location.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Chip Orange <mailto:lists3...@comcast.net>
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:03 PM
>>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>> Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square
>>
>

Re: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-19 Thread Daniel L. Gervais

Awesome, thanks Wayne.  It is starting to make a little more sense then.
 when navigating various places, I kept hearing VoiceOver say "Tip" and
wondered what the hell it was referring to.  While exploring one of the
restaurant's summary page, while looking for the infamous "Menu" button,
I came across the "Tip" button, and made the connection.  So if I
navigate restaurants and VoiceOver says "Menu", then I'll know that this
restaurant has a menu.

Thanks again and have a wonderful day!


From:   Wayne Merritt 
To:     
Date:   2016/07/19 9:33 AM
Subject:Re: Blind Square and Four Square

Greetings. You got it. Once you bring up the place summary screen,
which has information such as the address, phone number, and buttons
for various things like the website, tips from FourSquare, and so
forth; keep swiping through and there will be a Menu button. Once you
activate this after a short delay the menu will come up. To get back
to the place summary screen hit the back button in the upper left
corner. If you like the restaurant, you can toggle the Favorite button
on in the place summary screen. There's a lot of information on the
place summary screen so it pays to go through and explore. Also, if
you do a search for restaurants, when going through the search
results, BlindSquare will announce if there is a menu for a
restaurant. If there's not a menu then it will not be announced.

Good luck,
Wayne

On 7/19/16, Daniel L. Gervais 
wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
>
> Quick question, how do you find the menus through BlindSquare?  I am
> assuming that you would double tap on the place within BlindSquare
and
> that there would be a button within the restaurant summary page that
> would say "Menu" or something?
>
>
> From:         Wayne Merritt 
> To:   
> Date: 2016/07/18 5:45 PM
> Subject:  Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>
> The one big advantage with Blind Square and FourSquare is that you
can
> access menus from various restaurants and fast food places through
> BlindSquare. That menu data is pulled directly from FourSquare from
> what I understand. It can vary in quality, where with the Subway
menu
> I get a listing of all of their sandwiches, but with other
> restaurants, the menus are very comprehensive. And some menus I've
> pulled up in BlindSquare just list a few things. However, when I go
to
> other locations of the same restaurant I can get more of an actual
> menu. Though you can "check in" to places with BlindSquare, that
> functionality has been split off from the FourSquare app. FourSquare
> is more about keeping up with where your friends/follwers are,
whereas
> Swarm is for checking in, in case anyone cares. Anyway, I've had
> BlindSquare since January and haven't regretted the $30 cost.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 7/17/16, Chip Orange  wrote:
>> It might … but I thought they bought map data from NavTech or some
> company
>> like that (at least they did for their other braille note
products).
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t know enough about them, but I thought they charged a
yearly
> fee, and
>> I didn’t want to own them like that if that was the case.
>>
>> However, I am really disappointed in Blind Square so far.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
>> Of englishride...@gmail.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>>
>>
>>
>> Doesn't Seeing Eye GPS use Google Maps data? I thought it did.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ari
>>
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Chip Orange 
> wrote:
>>
>> I really wish we had a blind-friendly navigational GPS app which
used
> Google
>> map data; I don’t know why we don’t, the Google data is freely
> available (I
>> wrote such an app for laptops running Window-Eyes, which had a GPS
>> receiver).  Yes, there could be a charge from Google to the app
> developer if
>> you have a high enough volume of data queries, but it was very
small,
> so
>> charging a little something for the app should easily cover it.  I
> never had
>> to pay anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> Google would also give you all the POIs as well as the mapping data
> (I did
>> in my app), so you would not have to use four square.  I think it
> would be a
>> big improvement.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@goo

Re: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-19 Thread Wayne Merritt

Anytime. Also, the Tips button can often have good information too.
This pulls tips from FourSquare and can vary depending on what people
include; anything from, "This place sucks and has horrible service,"
to, "I loved the tacos!" If you want to get an idea of what's good or
find some hidden goodness in the menu or restaurant atmosphere, then
the tips can be very helpful.

Have fun,
Wayne

On 7/19/16, Daniel L. Gervais  wrote:
> Awesome, thanks Wayne.  It is starting to make a little more sense then.
>  when navigating various places, I kept hearing VoiceOver say "Tip" and
> wondered what the hell it was referring to.  While exploring one of the
> restaurant's summary page, while looking for the infamous "Menu" button,
> I came across the "Tip" button, and made the connection.  So if I
> navigate restaurants and VoiceOver says "Menu", then I'll know that this
> restaurant has a menu.
>
> Thanks again and have a wonderful day!
>
>
> From: Wayne Merritt 
> To:   
> Date: 2016/07/19 9:33 AM
> Subject:  Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>
> Greetings. You got it. Once you bring up the place summary screen,
> which has information such as the address, phone number, and buttons
> for various things like the website, tips from FourSquare, and so
> forth; keep swiping through and there will be a Menu button. Once you
> activate this after a short delay the menu will come up. To get back
> to the place summary screen hit the back button in the upper left
> corner. If you like the restaurant, you can toggle the Favorite button
> on in the place summary screen. There's a lot of information on the
> place summary screen so it pays to go through and explore. Also, if
> you do a search for restaurants, when going through the search
> results, BlindSquare will announce if there is a menu for a
> restaurant. If there's not a menu then it will not be announced.
>
> Good luck,
> Wayne
>
> On 7/19/16, Daniel L. Gervais 
> wrote:
>> Hi Wayne,
>>
>> Quick question, how do you find the menus through BlindSquare?  I am
>> assuming that you would double tap on the place within BlindSquare
> and
>> that there would be a button within the restaurant summary page that
>> would say "Menu" or something?
>>
>>
>> From:Wayne Merritt 
>> To:  
>> Date:2016/07/18 5:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>>
>> The one big advantage with Blind Square and FourSquare is that you
> can
>> access menus from various restaurants and fast food places through
>> BlindSquare. That menu data is pulled directly from FourSquare from
>> what I understand. It can vary in quality, where with the Subway
> menu
>> I get a listing of all of their sandwiches, but with other
>> restaurants, the menus are very comprehensive. And some menus I've
>> pulled up in BlindSquare just list a few things. However, when I go
> to
>> other locations of the same restaurant I can get more of an actual
>> menu. Though you can "check in" to places with BlindSquare, that
>> functionality has been split off from the FourSquare app. FourSquare
>> is more about keeping up with where your friends/follwers are,
> whereas
>> Swarm is for checking in, in case anyone cares. Anyway, I've had
>> BlindSquare since January and haven't regretted the $30 cost.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 7/17/16, Chip Orange  wrote:
>>> It might … but I thought they bought map data from NavTech or some
>> company
>>> like that (at least they did for their other braille note
> products).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t know enough about them, but I thought they charged a
> yearly
>> fee, and
>>> I didn’t want to own them like that if that was the case.
>>>
>>> However, I am really disappointed in Blind Square so far.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chip
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of englishride...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:29 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doesn't Seeing Eye GPS use Google Maps data? I thought it did.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ari
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Chip Orange 
>> wrote:
>>>
>&g

RE: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-19 Thread Chip Orange

Hi Wayne,

Well, I find you can get just as good menu info (including from Four Square) 
from the free app "All Access".

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square

The one big advantage with Blind Square and FourSquare is that you can
access menus from various restaurants and fast food places through
BlindSquare. That menu data is pulled directly from FourSquare from
what I understand. It can vary in quality, where with the Subway menu
I get a listing of all of their sandwiches, but with other
restaurants, the menus are very comprehensive. And some menus I've
pulled up in BlindSquare just list a few things. However, when I go to
other locations of the same restaurant I can get more of an actual
menu. Though you can "check in" to places with BlindSquare, that
functionality has been split off from the FourSquare app. FourSquare
is more about keeping up with where your friends/follwers are, whereas
Swarm is for checking in, in case anyone cares. Anyway, I've had
BlindSquare since January and haven't regretted the $30 cost.

Wayne

On 7/17/16, Chip Orange  wrote:
> It might … but I thought they bought map data from NavTech or some company
> like that (at least they did for their other braille note products).
>
>
>
> I don’t know enough about them, but I thought they charged a yearly fee, and
> I didn’t want to own them like that if that was the case.
>
> However, I am really disappointed in Blind Square so far.
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> Chip
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of englishride...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square
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> Doesn't Seeing Eye GPS use Google Maps data? I thought it did.
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> Thanks,
>
> Ari
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>
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Chip Orange  wrote:
>
> I really wish we had a blind-friendly navigational GPS app which used Google
> map data; I don’t know why we don’t, the Google data is freely available (I
> wrote such an app for laptops running Window-Eyes, which had a GPS
> receiver).  Yes, there could be a charge from Google to the app developer if
> you have a high enough volume of data queries, but it was very small, so
> charging a little something for the app should easily cover it.  I never had
> to pay anything.
>
>
>
> Google would also give you all the POIs as well as the mapping data (I did
> in my app), so you would not have to use four square.  I think it would be a
> big improvement.
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>
>
> Chip
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square
>
>
>
> In my area i have seen 4square POIs that were as much as half a mile away
> from the actual location.
>
> Andy
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>
>
> From: Chip Orange <mailto:lists3...@comcast.net>
>
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:03 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square
>
> And I have to say it’s map data isn’t all that accurate in smaller towns
> which may not have a lot of OSM volunteers to correct it.  They need to
> allow people who are blind to submit corrections somehow.
>
>
>
> Try Arriadne GPS for more accurate mapping data, but without the four square
> business info.
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>
>
> Chip
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square
>
>
>
> Blindsquare uses 4 square’s database of pois.  You don’t have to have a 4
> square account to use blindsquare but I think it helps you check into a
> place if you wish.  I don’t use the internals of 4 square so don’t know much
> about it.  Blindsquare uses open street maps for it’s map data.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dulce Muccio Weisenborn
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Blind Square and Four Square
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>
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> What are the advantages of using these two apps together?
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RE: Blind Square and Four Square

2016-07-20 Thread Ron

Hi Chip,

 

Something that probably wouldn’t help you right now but, the software 
engineering students at McGill university in Montreal have put together an app 
using Google maps.  Right now it is still only for the Montreal area as a test 
but is going across Canada in the next month or so.  It is called “Autour” 
which is the French word for “Around”, but the app is in English.  I very much 
like its radar mode witch, with off ear headphone such as the Treks give a 
constant beep or click going around 360º with the user at the center point.  
This is on request.  Also, if the phone is lifted horizontally, it 
automatically goes into beam mode which will announce what’s around and where 
as the user turns the phone around.

 

The ideal way to wear it is in a pouch around the neck with the phone pointing 
down and the screen away from the chest.  When the phone is lifted, the top of 
the phone becomes the direction of the points of interest.  If the user doesn’t 
like the click or beep of the radar mode, it can be turned down so low you 
can’t hear it but the voice announcing the point of interest comes from its 
direction.  So, if it announces a bus stop that is on your left, the voice 
announcing it comes from the left and so on.

 

I think it is an app that has a lot of potential.  I have been testing this app 
for the professor working with the students.  I will ask him if he plans to 
open it to all of North America anytime soon and if there are any plans of 
going worldwide.

 

Don’t know if it is easier to find now but it was a bit of a problem finding it 
in the app store.  In case you would like to look at it, try Autour in the 
search field and, if you don’t find it, you will by entering McGill in the 
field and going through all the apps until you find it. 

 

Ron & Danvers

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 11:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square

 

I really wish we had a blind-friendly navigational GPS app which used Google 
map data; I don’t know why we don’t, the Google data is freely available (I 
wrote such an app for laptops running Window-Eyes, which had a GPS receiver).  
Yes, there could be a charge from Google to the app developer if you have a 
high enough volume of data queries, but it was very small, so charging a little 
something for the app should easily cover it.  I never had to pay anything.

 

Google would also give you all the POIs as well as the mapping data (I did in 
my app), so you would not have to use four square.  I think it would be a big 
improvement.

 

 

Chip

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Blind Square and Four Square

 

In my area i have seen 4square POIs that were as much as half a mile away from 
the actual location.

Andy

 

From: Chip Orange <mailto:lists3...@comcast.net>  

Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:03 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square

And I have to say it’s map data isn’t all that accurate in smaller towns which 
may not have a lot of OSM volunteers to correct it.  They need to allow people 
who are blind to submit corrections somehow.

 

Try Arriadne GPS for more accurate mapping data, but without the four square 
business info.

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Blind Square and Four Square

 

Blindsquare uses 4 square’s database of pois.  You don’t have to have a 4 
square account to use blindsquare but I think it helps you check into a place 
if you wish.  I don’t use the internals of 4 square so don’t know much about 
it.  Blindsquare uses open street maps for it’s map data.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dulce Muccio Weisenborn
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Blind Square and Four Square

 

What are the advantages of using these two apps together?

 


 
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