Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Tap Tap See seems to work quite nicely for me on an iPhone 4S with iOS 7.o SENT FROM MY IPHONE > On Sep 21, 2013, at 1:53 AM, "Chris Chaffin" wrote: > > > I am looking forward to updating to iOS 7, but I have just waited because > some of the apps I use on a daily basis, like Tap Tap See, is currently not > properly working. > I just decided to have a little patience, and wait a few days before updating. > > Chris Chaffin > > -Original Message- From: Margaret Booth > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:34 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 > > I upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7 yesterday afternoon and I'm finding IOS7 > great. I'm not having any problems with it at all. I can understand your > concerns. > > Margaret > >> On 20/09/2013, at 1:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: >> >> personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and >> here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. >> sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! >> >> problems i have in IOS7 >> 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it >> seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the >> phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock >> button. >> >> 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would >> always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the >> page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, >> try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box >> where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad >> voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a >> new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the >> new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying >> >> 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch >> above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when >> one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the >> special clicks and noises associated with voice over. >> >> 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that >> voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it >> is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. >> but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to >> jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was >> always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i >> ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when >> such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, >> difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it >> used to be >> >> 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real >> enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Esther, Thank you for the compliment. I'm very happy to hear that you find TapTapSee so useful. Once we send out the next update with all of the fixes, please be sure to review the app in the AppStore. It really helps us go up in the store rankings. Than you, Dmitriy On Monday, September 23, 2013 3:47:04 PM UTC-7, Esther Levegnale wrote: > > Hello, Dmitriy! > > I think that TapTapSee is one of the most innovative apps anyone could > develop! I use it all the time and love it! I look forward to the next > update! > > Thanks for doing a wonderful job! By the way, I did upgrade to iOS7 and, > except for a few problems I had which were remedied, it's wonderful! > > Esther Levegnale > > Sent from Esther's Amazing iPhone! > > On Sep 23, 2013, at 4:33 PM, TapTapSee > > wrote: > > Hello, > > At the moment there are a couple of bugs in TapTapSee that we are aware of > and are working on fixing in the next update. We hope to release the update > this week. One of the current bugs is triggered by the flash. However, if > you take a picture of an object in a well lit environment then TapTapSee > will work properly. > > We're also aware of the issue with the Repeat button. That will also get > resolved in the next update. > > Best Wishes, > Dmitriy > > On Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:20:08 AM UTC-7, LockwoodND wrote: >> >> personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and >> here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. >> sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! >> >> problems i have in IOS7 >> 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. >> it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. >> the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the >> lock button. >> >> 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over >> would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on >> the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages >> application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text >> message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on >> the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have >> gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. >> well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying >> >> 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the >> switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over >> when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on >> the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. >> >> 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, >> that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the >> screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has >> this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice >> over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. >> voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this >> problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at >> the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have >> been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is >> as stable as it used to be >> >> 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real >> enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" > Google Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing vip...@googlegroups.com > . > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphon...@googlegroups.com . > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+u...@googlegroups.com > . > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+u...@googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Hello, Dmitriy! I think that TapTapSee is one of the most innovative apps anyone could develop! I use it all the time and love it! I look forward to the next update! Thanks for doing a wonderful job! By the way, I did upgrade to iOS7 and, except for a few problems I had which were remedied, it's wonderful! Esther Levegnale Sent from Esther's Amazing iPhone! > On Sep 23, 2013, at 4:33 PM, TapTapSee wrote: > > Hello, > > At the moment there are a couple of bugs in TapTapSee that we are aware of > and are working on fixing in the next update. We hope to release the update > this week. One of the current bugs is triggered by the flash. However, if you > take a picture of an object in a well lit environment then TapTapSee will > work properly. > > We're also aware of the issue with the Repeat button. That will also get > resolved in the next update. > > Best Wishes, > Dmitriy > >> On Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:20:08 AM UTC-7, LockwoodND wrote: >> personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and >> here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. >> sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! >> >> problems i have in IOS7 >> 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it >> seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the >> phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock >> button. >> >> 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would >> always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the >> page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, >> try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box >> where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad >> voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a >> new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the >> new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying >> >> 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch >> above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when >> one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the >> special clicks and noises associated with voice over. >> >> 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that >> voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it >> is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. >> but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to >> jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was >> always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i >> ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when >> such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, >> difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it >> used to be >> >> 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real >> enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Hello, At the moment there are a couple of bugs in TapTapSee that we are aware of and are working on fixing in the next update. We hope to release the update this week. One of the current bugs is triggered by the flash. However, if you take a picture of an object in a well lit environment then TapTapSee will work properly. We're also aware of the issue with the Repeat button. That will also get resolved in the next update. Best Wishes, Dmitriy On Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:20:08 AM UTC-7, LockwoodND wrote: > > personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and > here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. > sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! > > problems i have in IOS7 > 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. > it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. > the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the > lock button. > > 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over > would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on > the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages > application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text > message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on > the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have > gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. > well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying > > 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch > above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when > one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the > special clicks and noises associated with voice over. > > 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, > that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the > screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has > this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice > over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. > voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this > problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at > the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have > been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is > as stable as it used to be > > 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real > enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Tap Tap See seems to work quite nicely for me on an iPhone 4S with iOS 7.o SENT FROM MY IPHONE > On Sep 21, 2013, at 1:53 AM, "Chris Chaffin" wrote: > > > I am looking forward to updating to iOS 7, but I have just waited because > some of the apps I use on a daily basis, like Tap Tap See, is currently not > properly working. > I just decided to have a little patience, and wait a few days before updating. > > Chris Chaffin > > -Original Message- From: Margaret Booth > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:34 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 > > I upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7 yesterday afternoon and I'm finding IOS7 > great. I'm not having any problems with it at all. I can understand your > concerns. > > Margaret > >> On 20/09/2013, at 1:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: >> >> personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and >> here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. >> sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! >> >> problems i have in IOS7 >> 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it >> seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the >> phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock >> button. >> >> 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would >> always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the >> page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, >> try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box >> where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad >> voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a >> new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the >> new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying >> >> 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch >> above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when >> one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the >> special clicks and noises associated with voice over. >> >> 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that >> voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it >> is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. >> but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to >> jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was >> always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i >> ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when >> such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, >> difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it >> used to be >> >> 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real >> enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Epub On 22/09/2013, Ed Pinkman wrote: > What format are the IOS books? > > Ed > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Joanne Chua > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:05 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 > > Hi, as a regular iBooks user, (at least ones a day on the iBooksStore). > the manual for iOS 7 for Ipad and IPhone and iPod was available since late > last week. > > Regards > > > Joanne Chua > The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. > Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate > Send from my iPad > > On 22/09/2013, at 6:27, "Trea Abma" wrote: > >> It is in the iBookstore already. >> >> -Original Message- From: Les Kriegler >> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:07 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 >> >> Hi Mary, >> >> If my memory is accurate, documentation never gets released at the same > time as does the OS. I'll bet within a month, we'll have an updated user > guide for IOS7. >> >> Les >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >> >>> Hi Cara, >>> It seems to me that the weakness of this release of iOS 7, not to >>> mention > many many releases of android, is that the developers of the OS don't take > the time to document it and put that documentation out there for the > public. > That would include all accessibility change documentation. >>> Somewhere somebody got the idea that nobody is willing to read > documentation, and that everybody prefers to mumble and bumble and grumble > around the OS to find out what is new. To me, that seems absurd. Okay. Not > everybody wants to read in-depth documentation. But for those of us who do, > it seems a shame that the opportunity is denied us. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: >>> >>>> Hi John and list. >>>> While I agree completely, let me also offer the precept that iOS has > always been built on its ability to be easily discoverable. >>>> >>>> -And for me at least, in iOS 7 so far, the level of what I consider to > be good discoverability is less than I'd like. >>>> >>>> However, rather than go into details now, I'm holding my thoughts for a > while for exactly the reason John puts across in this note. >>>> >>>> While I personally find this version of iOS way less discoverable I >>>> also > feel that not only is this just the first release of this incarnation of > iOS, but also I do think there needs to be more than a 24 hour period for > me > to draw lasting conclusions about this, if for no other reason than not all > features are obvious to everyone at this point. So while I do have my > impressions, as we all do, I know there's a lot I'll be learning as well. >>>> >>>> So there's my point of view for the moment. :) >>>> >>>> Thanks for all the great posts both from those who like / do not like > iOS 7 so far. >>>> >>>> That's part of what this list is for after all! >>>> >>>> Thanks All and have a great night!. >>>> >>>> Smiles, >>>> >>>> Cara :) >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:38 AM, John Panarese >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation > and understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions. I will > address your 5 points and explain what I mean. >>>> >>>> 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion. This will speed > up the speed of the phone with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different. You are basing your > recommendation on personal opinion. Like anything else, you get used to > them. Change is not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to > adapt to change in the long run. I have already. >>>> >>>> 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds > independently or having them remain on. >>>> >>>> >>>> 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues. Not sure though > because I haven't experienced this myself. >>>> >>>> 5. Again, your opinion. There are a lot of changes to the interface > that make iOS 7 worth the upgrade
RE: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
What format are the IOS books? Ed -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Chua Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 Hi, as a regular iBooks user, (at least ones a day on the iBooksStore). the manual for iOS 7 for Ipad and IPhone and iPod was available since late last week. Regards Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 22/09/2013, at 6:27, "Trea Abma" wrote: > It is in the iBookstore already. > > -Original Message- From: Les Kriegler > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:07 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 > > Hi Mary, > > If my memory is accurate, documentation never gets released at the same time as does the OS. I'll bet within a month, we'll have an updated user guide for IOS7. > > Les > On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> Hi Cara, >> It seems to me that the weakness of this release of iOS 7, not to mention many many releases of android, is that the developers of the OS don't take the time to document it and put that documentation out there for the public. That would include all accessibility change documentation. >> Somewhere somebody got the idea that nobody is willing to read documentation, and that everybody prefers to mumble and bumble and grumble around the OS to find out what is new. To me, that seems absurd. Okay. Not everybody wants to read in-depth documentation. But for those of us who do, it seems a shame that the opportunity is denied us. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: >> >>> Hi John and list. >>> While I agree completely, let me also offer the precept that iOS has always been built on its ability to be easily discoverable. >>> >>> -And for me at least, in iOS 7 so far, the level of what I consider to be good discoverability is less than I'd like. >>> >>> However, rather than go into details now, I'm holding my thoughts for a while for exactly the reason John puts across in this note. >>> >>> While I personally find this version of iOS way less discoverable I also feel that not only is this just the first release of this incarnation of iOS, but also I do think there needs to be more than a 24 hour period for me to draw lasting conclusions about this, if for no other reason than not all features are obvious to everyone at this point. So while I do have my impressions, as we all do, I know there's a lot I'll be learning as well. >>> >>> So there's my point of view for the moment. :) >>> >>> Thanks for all the great posts both from those who like / do not like iOS 7 so far. >>> >>> That's part of what this list is for after all! >>> >>> Thanks All and have a great night!. >>> >>> Smiles, >>> >>> Cara :) >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:38 AM, John Panarese wrote: >>> >>> I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation and understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions. I will address your 5 points and explain what I mean. >>> >>> 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion. This will speed up the speed of the phone with VoiceOver. >>> >>> 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different. You are basing your recommendation on personal opinion. Like anything else, you get used to them. Change is not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to adapt to change in the long run. I have already. >>> >>> 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds independently or having them remain on. >>> >>> >>> 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues. Not sure though because I haven't experienced this myself. >>> >>> 5. Again, your opinion. There are a lot of changes to the interface that make iOS 7 worth the upgrade. The handwriting feature, the 4-finger double tap to start VO practice mode, the Control Center, the new layout to Calendars and Reminders, the new SIRI voices and the expansion of what you can do with SIRI, and several others. Learn about iOS 7 and use it for a few weeks before jumping to conclusions in 24 hours of use. >>> >>> It's funny how I read posts like this with every iOS upgrade and Mac upgrade. I know for a fact I still haven't learned all of the new things yet and am discovering changes every time I use my iPhone and iPa
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Hi, as a regular iBooks user, (at least ones a day on the iBooksStore). the manual for iOS 7 for Ipad and IPhone and iPod was available since late last week. Regards Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 22/09/2013, at 6:27, "Trea Abma" wrote: > It is in the iBookstore already. > > -Original Message- From: Les Kriegler > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:07 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 > > Hi Mary, > > If my memory is accurate, documentation never gets released at the same time > as does the OS. I'll bet within a month, we'll have an updated user guide > for IOS7. > > Les > On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> Hi Cara, >> It seems to me that the weakness of this release of iOS 7, not to mention >> many many releases of android, is that the developers of the OS don't take >> the time to document it and put that documentation out there for the public. >> That would include all accessibility change documentation. >> Somewhere somebody got the idea that nobody is willing to read >> documentation, and that everybody prefers to mumble and bumble and grumble >> around the OS to find out what is new. To me, that seems absurd. Okay. Not >> everybody wants to read in-depth documentation. But for those of us who do, >> it seems a shame that the opportunity is denied us. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: >> >>> Hi John and list. >>> While I agree completely, let me also offer the precept that iOS has always >>> been built on its ability to be easily discoverable. >>> >>> -And for me at least, in iOS 7 so far, the level of what I consider to be >>> good discoverability is less than I'd like. >>> >>> However, rather than go into details now, I'm holding my thoughts for a >>> while for exactly the reason John puts across in this note. >>> >>> While I personally find this version of iOS way less discoverable I also >>> feel that not only is this just the first release of this incarnation of >>> iOS, but also I do think there needs to be more than a 24 hour period for >>> me to draw lasting conclusions about this, if for no other reason than not >>> all features are obvious to everyone at this point. So while I do have my >>> impressions, as we all do, I know there's a lot I'll be learning as well. >>> >>> So there's my point of view for the moment. :) >>> >>> Thanks for all the great posts both from those who like / do not like iOS 7 >>> so far. >>> >>> That's part of what this list is for after all! >>> >>> Thanks All and have a great night!… >>> >>> Smiles, >>> >>> Cara :) >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:38 AM, John Panarese wrote: >>> >>> I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation and >>> understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions. I will address >>> your 5 points and explain what I mean. >>> >>> 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion. This will speed up >>> the speed of the phone with VoiceOver. >>> >>> 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different. You are basing your recommendation >>> on personal opinion. Like anything else, you get used to them. Change is >>> not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to adapt to change >>> in the long run. I have already. >>> >>> 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds independently >>> or having them remain on. >>> >>> >>> 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues. Not sure though >>> because I haven’t experienced this myself. >>> >>> 5. Again, your opinion. There are a lot of changes to the interface that >>> make iOS 7 worth the upgrade. The handwriting feature, the 4-finger double >>> tap to start VO practice mode, the Control Center, the new layout to >>> Calendars and Reminders, the new SIRI voices and the expansion of what you >>> can do with SIRI, and several others. Learn about iOS 7 and use it for a >>> few weeks before jumping to conclusions in 24 hours of use. >>> >>> It’s funny how I read posts like this with every iOS upgrade and Mac >>> upgrade. I know for a fact I stil
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
It is in the iBookstore already. -Original Message- From: Les Kriegler Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 Hi Mary, If my memory is accurate, documentation never gets released at the same time as does the OS. I'll bet within a month, we'll have an updated user guide for IOS7. Les On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Hi Cara, It seems to me that the weakness of this release of iOS 7, not to mention many many releases of android, is that the developers of the OS don't take the time to document it and put that documentation out there for the public. That would include all accessibility change documentation. Somewhere somebody got the idea that nobody is willing to read documentation, and that everybody prefers to mumble and bumble and grumble around the OS to find out what is new. To me, that seems absurd. Okay. Not everybody wants to read in-depth documentation. But for those of us who do, it seems a shame that the opportunity is denied us. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: Hi John and list. While I agree completely, let me also offer the precept that iOS has always been built on its ability to be easily discoverable. -And for me at least, in iOS 7 so far, the level of what I consider to be good discoverability is less than I'd like. However, rather than go into details now, I'm holding my thoughts for a while for exactly the reason John puts across in this note. While I personally find this version of iOS way less discoverable I also feel that not only is this just the first release of this incarnation of iOS, but also I do think there needs to be more than a 24 hour period for me to draw lasting conclusions about this, if for no other reason than not all features are obvious to everyone at this point. So while I do have my impressions, as we all do, I know there's a lot I'll be learning as well. So there's my point of view for the moment. :) Thanks for all the great posts both from those who like / do not like iOS 7 so far. That's part of what this list is for after all! Thanks All and have a great night!… Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:38 AM, John Panarese wrote: I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation and understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions. I will address your 5 points and explain what I mean. 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion. This will speed up the speed of the phone with VoiceOver. 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different. You are basing your recommendation on personal opinion. Like anything else, you get used to them. Change is not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to adapt to change in the long run. I have already. 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds independently or having them remain on. 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues. Not sure though because I haven’t experienced this myself. 5. Again, your opinion. There are a lot of changes to the interface that make iOS 7 worth the upgrade. The handwriting feature, the 4-finger double tap to start VO practice mode, the Control Center, the new layout to Calendars and Reminders, the new SIRI voices and the expansion of what you can do with SIRI, and several others. Learn about iOS 7 and use it for a few weeks before jumping to conclusions in 24 hours of use. It’s funny how I read posts like this with every iOS upgrade and Mac upgrade. I know for a fact I still haven’t learned all of the new things yet and am discovering changes every time I use my iPhone and iPad. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! problems i have in IOS7 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by f
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Hi all, Since I have updated to seven I have not had any problem since I went to the apple store for them to help me. Becky On Sep 21, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Troy Sullivan wrote: > When I updated my apps last night, tap tap see was one of them, not sure if > it's the one with the corrected bug fixes, but I'd imagine it would be, > however I have been using tap tap see and not noticing the issues mentioned > on this list after I updated to ios7. > - Original Message - From: "Chris Chaffin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:53 AM > Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 > > >> >> I am looking forward to updating to iOS 7, but I have just waited because >> some of the apps I use on a daily basis, like Tap Tap See, is currently not >> properly working. >> I just decided to have a little patience, and wait a few days before >> updating. >> >> Chris Chaffin >> >> -Original Message- From: Margaret Booth >> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:34 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 >> >> I upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7 yesterday afternoon and I'm finding IOS7 >> great. I'm not having any problems with it at all. I can understand your >> concerns. >> >> Margaret >> >> On 20/09/2013, at 1:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: >> >>> personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and >>> here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. >>> sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! >>> >>> problems i have in IOS7 >>> 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it >>> seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the >>> phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock >>> button. >>> >>> 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over >>> would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on >>> the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages >>> application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text >>> message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on >>> the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have >>> gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. >>> well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying >>> >>> 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch >>> above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when >>> one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the >>> special clicks and noises associated with voice over. >>> >>> 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that >>> voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it >>> is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. >>> but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to >>> jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was >>> always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i >>> ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when >>> such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, >>> difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it >>> used to be >>> >>> 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real >>> enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> >>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> >>> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >>> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- You received this message because yo
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Hi Mary, If my memory is accurate, documentation never gets released at the same time as does the OS. I'll bet within a month, we'll have an updated user guide for IOS7. Les On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi Cara, > It seems to me that the weakness of this release of iOS 7, not to mention > many many releases of android, is that the developers of the OS don't take > the time to document it and put that documentation out there for the public. > That would include all accessibility change documentation. > Somewhere somebody got the idea that nobody is willing to read documentation, > and that everybody prefers to mumble and bumble and grumble around the OS to > find out what is new. To me, that seems absurd. Okay. Not everybody wants to > read in-depth documentation. But for those of us who do, it seems a shame > that the opportunity is denied us. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > >> Hi John and list. >> While I agree completely, let me also offer the precept that iOS has always >> been built on its ability to be easily discoverable. >> >> -And for me at least, in iOS 7 so far, the level of what I consider to be >> good discoverability is less than I'd like. >> >> However, rather than go into details now, I'm holding my thoughts for a >> while for exactly the reason John puts across in this note. >> >> While I personally find this version of iOS way less discoverable I also >> feel that not only is this just the first release of this incarnation of >> iOS, but also I do think there needs to be more than a 24 hour period for me >> to draw lasting conclusions about this, if for no other reason than not all >> features are obvious to everyone at this point. So while I do have my >> impressions, as we all do, I know there's a lot I'll be learning as well. >> >> So there's my point of view for the moment. :) >> >> Thanks for all the great posts both from those who like / do not like iOS 7 >> so far. >> >> That's part of what this list is for after all! >> >> Thanks All and have a great night!… >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara :) >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:38 AM, John Panarese wrote: >> >> I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation and >> understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions. I will address >> your 5 points and explain what I mean. >> >> 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion. This will speed up >> the speed of the phone with VoiceOver. >> >> 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different. You are basing your recommendation >> on personal opinion. Like anything else, you get used to them. Change is >> not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to adapt to change >> in the long run. I have already. >> >> 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds independently >> or having them remain on. >> >> >> 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues. Not sure though >> because I haven’t experienced this myself. >> >> 5. Again, your opinion. There are a lot of changes to the interface that >> make iOS 7 worth the upgrade. The handwriting feature, the 4-finger double >> tap to start VO practice mode, the Control Center, the new layout to >> Calendars and Reminders, the new SIRI voices and the expansion of what you >> can do with SIRI, and several others. Learn about iOS 7 and use it for a >> few weeks before jumping to conclusions in 24 hours of use. >> >> It’s funny how I read posts like this with every iOS upgrade and Mac >> upgrade. I know for a fact I still haven’t learned all of the new things >> yet and am discovering changes every time I use my iPhone and iPad. >> >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: >> >>> personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and >>> here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. >>> sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! >>> >>> problems i have in IOS7 >>> 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it >>> seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the >>> phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock >>> button. >>> >>> 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over >>> would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on >>> the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages >>> application, try flicking from the message display area down i
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
When I updated my apps last night, tap tap see was one of them, not sure if it's the one with the corrected bug fixes, but I'd imagine it would be, however I have been using tap tap see and not noticing the issues mentioned on this list after I updated to ios7. - Original Message - From: "Chris Chaffin" To: Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:53 AM Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 I am looking forward to updating to iOS 7, but I have just waited because some of the apps I use on a daily basis, like Tap Tap See, is currently not properly working. I just decided to have a little patience, and wait a few days before updating. Chris Chaffin -Original Message- From: Margaret Booth Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 I upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7 yesterday afternoon and I'm finding IOS7 great. I'm not having any problems with it at all. I can understand your concerns. Margaret On 20/09/2013, at 1:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! problems i have in IOS7 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG -
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
I am looking forward to updating to iOS 7, but I have just waited because some of the apps I use on a daily basis, like Tap Tap See, is currently not properly working. I just decided to have a little patience, and wait a few days before updating. Chris Chaffin -Original Message- From: Margaret Booth Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 I upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7 yesterday afternoon and I'm finding IOS7 great. I'm not having any problems with it at all. I can understand your concerns. Margaret On 20/09/2013, at 1:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! problems i have in IOS7 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3408 / Virus Database: 3222/6686 - Release Date: 09/20/13 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegr
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
I upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7 yesterday afternoon and I'm finding IOS7 great. I'm not having any problems with it at all. I can understand your concerns. Margaret On 20/09/2013, at 1:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: > personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and > here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. > sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! > > problems i have in IOS7 > 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it > seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the > phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock > button. > > 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would > always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the > page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try > flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where > you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over > always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of > the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it > now does. this annoying > > 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch > above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one > flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the > special clicks and noises associated with voice over. > > 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that > voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is > difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, > sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump > back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always > completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have > voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text > was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to > explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be > > 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real > enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
The only bug that I've experienced this when swiping through things, voice over can jump all over the place some times. Also when first unlocking my phone, if I swipe through the controls, voiceover does not always read everything. I have to flick left to get to read the appropriate items. I'm a little disappointed that I can't use the Siri voice is the voiceover voice, as I really like it. Otherwise, things are working out well so far. Mike Twitter michaelsreiser Skype michael-rei...@comcast.net Facebook mikereiser08@gmail.netSent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Alan Paganelli > wrote: > > I find too that using the email program, things sure did slow way down but > then again it was busy loading over 300 messages most from this group. > --- > > Regards, > > Alan > > Go Chicago Bears in 2013! > > Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move > out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. > > Please click on: > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on > the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my > website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! > > - Original Message - From: "James Lockwood" > To: "iphone group" > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:20 AM > Subject: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 > > > personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and > here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. > sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! > > problems i have in IOS7 > 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it > seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the > phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock > button. > > 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would > always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the > page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try > flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where > you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over > always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of > the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it > now does. this annoying > > 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch > above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one > flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the > special clicks and noises associated with voice over. > > 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that > voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is > difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, > sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump > back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always > completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have > voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text > was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to > explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be > > 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real > enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
i'll agree. i love some of the colors and my i phone is so much faster than it ever was with the previous ios upgrade that we had. the print is so much bolder. i love it smiles pamela In a message dated 9/19/2013 5:56:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, richr...@gmail.com writes: Personally, I have thus far enjoyed the upgrade! Love the new app switcher, love iTunes radio, I love the lock screen, and so much more. Also, my iPhone 4S is as snappy and responsive as ever! Once I found how to download the enhanced voice for US English, I was a happy camper. I have noticed that VoiceOver seems to lose focus in Safari, but this is certainly not a show stopper for me! As for the different sounds, they intrigue me, they don't annoy me. All opinion, and we all have them! And, that's great! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro _richring@gmail.com_ (mailto:richr...@gmail.com) On Sep 19, 2013, at 1:38 PM, John Panarese <_jpanarese@gmail.com_ (mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com) > wrote: I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation and understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions. I will address your 5 points and explain what I mean. 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion. This will speed up the speed of the phone with VoiceOver. 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different. You are basing your recommendation on personal opinion. Like anything else, you get used to them. Change is not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to adapt to change in the long run. I have already. 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds independently or having them remain on. 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues. Not sure though because I haven’t experienced this myself. 5. Again, your opinion. There are a lot of changes to the interface that make iOS 7 worth the upgrade. The handwriting feature, the 4-finger double tap to start VO practice mode, the Control Center, the new layout to Calendars and Reminders, the new SIRI voices and the expansion of what you can do with SIRI, and several others. Learn about iOS 7 and use it for a few weeks before jumping to conclusions in 24 hours of use. It’s funny how I read posts like this with every iOS upgrade and Mac upgrade. I know for a fact I still haven’t learned all of the new things yet and am discovering changes every time I use my iPhone and iPad. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, _john@macfortheblind.com_ (mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com) Website, _http://www.macfortheblind.com_ (http://www.macfortheblind.com/) APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, James Lockwood <_lockwoodnd@gmail.com_ (mailto:lockwoo...@gmail.com) > wrote: personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! problems i have in IOS7 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have been
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Hi Cara, It seems to me that the weakness of this release of iOS 7, not to mention many many releases of android, is that the developers of the OS don't take the time to document it and put that documentation out there for the public. That would include all accessibility change documentation. Somewhere somebody got the idea that nobody is willing to read documentation, and that everybody prefers to mumble and bumble and grumble around the OS to find out what is new. To me, that seems absurd. Okay. Not everybody wants to read in-depth documentation. But for those of us who do, it seems a shame that the opportunity is denied us. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > Hi John and list. > While I agree completely, let me also offer the precept that iOS has always > been built on its ability to be easily discoverable. > > -And for me at least, in iOS 7 so far, the level of what I consider to be > good discoverability is less than I'd like. > > However, rather than go into details now, I'm holding my thoughts for a while > for exactly the reason John puts across in this note. > > While I personally find this version of iOS way less discoverable I also feel > that not only is this just the first release of this incarnation of iOS, but > also I do think there needs to be more than a 24 hour period for me to draw > lasting conclusions about this, if for no other reason than not all features > are obvious to everyone at this point. So while I do have my impressions, as > we all do, I know there's a lot I'll be learning as well. > > So there's my point of view for the moment. :) > > Thanks for all the great posts both from those who like / do not like iOS 7 > so far. > > That's part of what this list is for after all! > > Thanks All and have a great night!… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:38 AM, John Panarese wrote: > > I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation and > understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions. I will address > your 5 points and explain what I mean. > > 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion. This will speed up the > speed of the phone with VoiceOver. > > 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different. You are basing your recommendation > on personal opinion. Like anything else, you get used to them. Change is > not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to adapt to change in > the long run. I have already. > > 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds independently > or having them remain on. > > > 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues. Not sure though because > I haven’t experienced this myself. > > 5. Again, your opinion. There are a lot of changes to the interface that > make iOS 7 worth the upgrade. The handwriting feature, the 4-finger double > tap to start VO practice mode, the Control Center, the new layout to > Calendars and Reminders, the new SIRI voices and the expansion of what you > can do with SIRI, and several others. Learn about iOS 7 and use it for a > few weeks before jumping to conclusions in 24 hours of use. > > It’s funny how I read posts like this with every iOS upgrade and Mac > upgrade. I know for a fact I still haven’t learned all of the new things yet > and am discovering changes every time I use my iPhone and iPad. > > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: > >> personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and >> here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. >> sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! >> >> problems i have in IOS7 >> 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it >> seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the >> phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock >> button. >> >> 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would >> always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the >> page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, >> try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box >> where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad >> voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a >> new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the >> new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying >> >> 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sou
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Hi John and list. While I agree completely, let me also offer the precept that iOS has always been built on its ability to be easily discoverable. -And for me at least, in iOS 7 so far, the level of what I consider to be good discoverability is less than I'd like. However, rather than go into details now, I'm holding my thoughts for a while for exactly the reason John puts across in this note. While I personally find this version of iOS way less discoverable I also feel that not only is this just the first release of this incarnation of iOS, but also I do think there needs to be more than a 24 hour period for me to draw lasting conclusions about this, if for no other reason than not all features are obvious to everyone at this point. So while I do have my impressions, as we all do, I know there's a lot I'll be learning as well. So there's my point of view for the moment. :) Thanks for all the great posts both from those who like / do not like iOS 7 so far. That's part of what this list is for after all! Thanks All and have a great night!… Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:38 AM, John Panarese wrote: I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation and understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions. I will address your 5 points and explain what I mean. 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion. This will speed up the speed of the phone with VoiceOver. 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different. You are basing your recommendation on personal opinion. Like anything else, you get used to them. Change is not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to adapt to change in the long run. I have already. 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds independently or having them remain on. 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues. Not sure though because I haven’t experienced this myself. 5. Again, your opinion. There are a lot of changes to the interface that make iOS 7 worth the upgrade. The handwriting feature, the 4-finger double tap to start VO practice mode, the Control Center, the new layout to Calendars and Reminders, the new SIRI voices and the expansion of what you can do with SIRI, and several others. Learn about iOS 7 and use it for a few weeks before jumping to conclusions in 24 hours of use. It’s funny how I read posts like this with every iOS upgrade and Mac upgrade. I know for a fact I still haven’t learned all of the new things yet and am discovering changes every time I use my iPhone and iPad. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: > personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and > here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. > sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! > > problems i have in IOS7 > 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it > seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the > phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock > button. > > 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would > always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the > page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try > flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where > you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over > always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of > the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it > now does. this annoying > > 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch > above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one > flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the > special clicks and noises associated with voice over. > > 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that > voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is > difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, > sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump > back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always > completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have > voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text > was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to > explain. but, i do not believ
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
If by losing focus you mean VoiceOver seems a little jumpy, I'd say yes, that is my experience. Its a bit sensitive or perhaps over responsive. I like the new app switcher and also all the punctuation on the on screen keyboard speaks again. For a few versions, you had to turn punctuation on to hear the comma and such on the keyboard. That was not the case in earlier versions of voice over. Brian On 9/19/13, James Lockwood wrote: > personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and > here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. > sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! > > problems i have in IOS7 > 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it > seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the > phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock > button. > > 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would > always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the > page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, > try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box > where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad > voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a > new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the > new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying > > 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch > above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when > one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the > special clicks and noises associated with voice over. > > 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that > voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it > is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. > but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to > jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was > always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i > ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when > such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, > difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it > used to be > > 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real > enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Brian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
all this is explained in Mosens book. in voiceover addd 'sounds' to your rotor then you can turn off voiceover clicks when you need to. *** When you give unto others whether or not they give to you in return, It matters not for your job is Complete and your rewards forthcoming. - Original Message - From: "James Lockwood" To: "iphone group" Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:20 AM Subject: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! problems i have in IOS7 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Personally, I have thus far enjoyed the upgrade! Love the new app switcher, love iTunes radio, I love the lock screen, and so much more. Also, my iPhone 4S is as snappy and responsive as ever! Once I found how to download the enhanced voice for US English, I was a happy camper. I have noticed that VoiceOver seems to lose focus in Safari, but this is certainly not a show stopper for me! As for the different sounds, they intrigue me, they don't annoy me. All opinion, and we all have them! And, that's great! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Sep 19, 2013, at 1:38 PM, John Panarese wrote: >I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation > and understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions. I will > address your 5 points and explain what I mean. > > 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion. This will speed up the > speed of the phone with VoiceOver. > > 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different. You are basing your recommendation > on personal opinion. Like anything else, you get used to them. Change is > not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to adapt to change in > the long run. I have already. > > 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds independently > or having them remain on. > > > 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues. Not sure though because > I haven’t experienced this myself. > > 5. Again, your opinion. There are a lot of changes to the interface that > make iOS 7 worth the upgrade. The handwriting feature, the 4-finger double > tap to start VO practice mode, the Control Center, the new layout to > Calendars and Reminders, the new SIRI voices and the expansion of what you > can do with SIRI, and several others. Learn about iOS 7 and use it for a > few weeks before jumping to conclusions in 24 hours of use. > > It’s funny how I read posts like this with every iOS upgrade and Mac > upgrade. I know for a fact I still haven’t learned all of the new things yet > and am discovering changes every time I use my iPhone and iPad. > > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: > >> personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and >> here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. >> sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! >> >> problems i have in IOS7 >> 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it >> seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the >> phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock >> button. >> >> 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would >> always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the >> page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, >> try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box >> where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad >> voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a >> new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the >> new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying >> >> 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch >> above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when >> one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the >> special clicks and noises associated with voice over. >> >> 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that >> voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it >> is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. >> but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to >> jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was >> always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i >> ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when >> such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, >> difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it >> used to be >> >> 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real >> enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new m
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
For those of you who are having issues, do report them to Apple. The address is accessibil...@apple.com. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Arianna wrote: > > I'm still on the fence about updating, but I think I will eventually. I, too, > I'm a bit apprehensive about all the bug reports I've been hearing, but > overall, I think it should be okay. The one that concerns me the most is that > touchscreen sensitivity thing. I hear it's affecting sighted users as well. > > I'm really looking forward to the fact that I can turn off on-the-fly > translation of Braille. The expansion of contractions after a few seconds of > not typing, and then typing some more really frustrates me. I'm also really > looking forward to the control center. Also, I'm pretty excited to try out > the handwriting feature. If nothing else, at least it'll be an interesting > way to input text, although I don't think I'll be relying on it exclusively. > > > Thanks, > Ari > >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> Hi James, Pete, Shane and others, >> >> I think Maria and Raul have given good examples of all the fantastic new iOS >> 7 features. I have a 4S and the only thing which might be a bit slower is >> opening apps and by a bit I really mean just a touch. Locking my phone I >> find is instant when I press the lock key. The Voiceover sounds not going >> silent with the mute switch I think is a big improvement since I might not >> want my phone to ring, but I like having the feedback from the sounds and as >> Maria said, you can always ad sounds to the rotor and turn them on/off that >> way. >> Control Center is of course awesome and the fact SIRI now acts much more >> like when you use it without Voiceover is also very good. I can, for >> example, now create a reminder or send a text message and I don't have to >> press and hold the home key when I want to confirm the reminder or send the >> message, SIRI asks and then listens just as it does without Voiceover. I >> know people like Raul often said that if they wanted to use SIRI a lot they >> would unload Voiceover to get this functionality. >> >> Also, and I haven't seen this mentioned, if I am now in message 53 of 58 in >> my email Inbox and open it, I can now tap Back or do the scrub gesture and >> focus stays on message 53 instead of going back up to the top of the list--a >> nice little fix for something we asked for. >> >> Also, multiple HQ voices and being able to select a default voice >> independently from region settings is something many of us wanted and now >> got. >> >> Facetime Audio is not a accessibility feature just as Control Center is not, >> but I think it's awesome that I can now call family members and friends who >> I know have iDevices and just have an audio conversation at super high >> quality without having to use Skype. >> >> I think overall this first release of iOS 7 is probably the best ever first >> release of an iOS version with the least amount of serious bugs both >> generally speaking and Voiceover specific bugs. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhon
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
This all makes me feel better, as I can't find enough stuff I want to delete to make the stupid os fit on my 16gb iPhone :/ On Sep 19, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I don't have any comments except with your issue #5. There are definitely new > features in IOS 7 such as iTunes Radio, the Control Center, multiple pages in > folders, the hand writing input method, more things you can do with Siri and > quite a bit more. You may not use these features yourself, or you may not > think they're worth upgrading to get to, but they are there. > > > On 09/19/2013 10:32 AM, Lea Langley wrote: >> Hi, try not to get discouraged. There are some very new things and very new >> ways to do things in the iOS 7. I think once you get used to them you will >> like it. I understand your concerns, and I am not criticizing you at all. >> You have a right to express yourself. As for voiceover, there is a new >> option in the voiceover settings that allows you to silence the voice over >> sounds. You can include this in the rotor so that you can use it anytime you >> like. The problems you discussed are definitely bugs, and I hope Apple will >> fix them. There is an action option on the rotor and if you select that you >> might be able to move through your screens more easily. I am not sure about >> that one. I would recommend that you get Jonathan Motson's book. It is >> called I OS 7 without the eye it is a great book and gives lots of >> information about how to use new features with voiceover in iOS 7. God >> bless, Wren PS I have the book, and I have found it very helpful. There is >> also a new thing in the iOS 7 operati > ng system called containers. I have to learn to use them by reading the book. > If you would like any more help please feel free to write me off list if you > would like and I will be glad to help you >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: >>> >>> personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and >>> here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. >>> sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! >>> >>> problems i have in IOS7 >>> 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it >>> seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the >>> phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock >>> button. >>> >>> 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over >>> would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on >>> the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages >>> application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text >>> message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on >>> the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have >>> gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. >>> well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying >>> >>> 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch >>> above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when >>> one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the >>> special clicks and noises associated with voice over. >>> >>> 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that >>> voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it >>> is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. >>> but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to >>> jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was >>> always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i >>> ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when >>> such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, >>> difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it >>> used to be >>> >>> 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real >>> enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> >>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> >>> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >>> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation and understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions. I will address your 5 points and explain what I mean. 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion. This will speed up the speed of the phone with VoiceOver. 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different. You are basing your recommendation on personal opinion. Like anything else, you get used to them. Change is not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to adapt to change in the long run. I have already. 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds independently or having them remain on. 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues. Not sure though because I haven’t experienced this myself. 5. Again, your opinion. There are a lot of changes to the interface that make iOS 7 worth the upgrade. The handwriting feature, the 4-finger double tap to start VO practice mode, the Control Center, the new layout to Calendars and Reminders, the new SIRI voices and the expansion of what you can do with SIRI, and several others. Learn about iOS 7 and use it for a few weeks before jumping to conclusions in 24 hours of use. It’s funny how I read posts like this with every iOS upgrade and Mac upgrade. I know for a fact I still haven’t learned all of the new things yet and am discovering changes every time I use my iPhone and iPad. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: > personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and > here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. > sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! > > problems i have in IOS7 > 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it > seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the > phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock > button. > > 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would > always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the > page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try > flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where > you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over > always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of > the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it > now does. this annoying > > 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch > above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one > flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the > special clicks and noises associated with voice over. > > 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that > voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is > difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, > sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump > back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always > completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have > voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text > was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to > explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be > > 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real > enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Pos
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
I'm still on the fence about updating, but I think I will eventually. I, too, I'm a bit apprehensive about all the bug reports I've been hearing, but overall, I think it should be okay. The one that concerns me the most is that touchscreen sensitivity thing. I hear it's affecting sighted users as well. I'm really looking forward to the fact that I can turn off on-the-fly translation of Braille. The expansion of contractions after a few seconds of not typing, and then typing some more really frustrates me. I'm also really looking forward to the control center. Also, I'm pretty excited to try out the handwriting feature. If nothing else, at least it'll be an interesting way to input text, although I don't think I'll be relying on it exclusively. Thanks, Ari On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > Hi James, Pete, Shane and others, > > I think Maria and Raul have given good examples of all the fantastic new iOS > 7 features. I have a 4S and the only thing which might be a bit slower is > opening apps and by a bit I really mean just a touch. Locking my phone I > find is instant when I press the lock key. The Voiceover sounds not going > silent with the mute switch I think is a big improvement since I might not > want my phone to ring, but I like having the feedback from the sounds and as > Maria said, you can always ad sounds to the rotor and turn them on/off that > way. > Control Center is of course awesome and the fact SIRI now acts much more > like when you use it without Voiceover is also very good. I can, for > example, now create a reminder or send a text message and I don't have to > press and hold the home key when I want to confirm the reminder or send the > message, SIRI asks and then listens just as it does without Voiceover. I > know people like Raul often said that if they wanted to use SIRI a lot they > would unload Voiceover to get this functionality. > > Also, and I haven't seen this mentioned, if I am now in message 53 of 58 in > my email Inbox and open it, I can now tap Back or do the scrub gesture and > focus stays on message 53 instead of going back up to the top of the list--a > nice little fix for something we asked for. > > Also, multiple HQ voices and being able to select a default voice > independently from region settings is something many of us wanted and now > got. > > Facetime Audio is not a accessibility feature just as Control Center is not, > but I think it's awesome that I can now call family members and friends who > I know have iDevices and just have an audio conversation at super high > quality without having to use Skype. > > I think overall this first release of iOS 7 is probably the best ever first > release of an iOS version with the least amount of serious bugs both > generally speaking and Voiceover specific bugs. > > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Hi James, Pete, Shane and others, I think Maria and Raul have given good examples of all the fantastic new iOS 7 features. I have a 4S and the only thing which might be a bit slower is opening apps and by a bit I really mean just a touch. Locking my phone I find is instant when I press the lock key. The Voiceover sounds not going silent with the mute switch I think is a big improvement since I might not want my phone to ring, but I like having the feedback from the sounds and as Maria said, you can always ad sounds to the rotor and turn them on/off that way. Control Center is of course awesome and the fact SIRI now acts much more like when you use it without Voiceover is also very good. I can, for example, now create a reminder or send a text message and I don't have to press and hold the home key when I want to confirm the reminder or send the message, SIRI asks and then listens just as it does without Voiceover. I know people like Raul often said that if they wanted to use SIRI a lot they would unload Voiceover to get this functionality. Also, and I haven't seen this mentioned, if I am now in message 53 of 58 in my email Inbox and open it, I can now tap Back or do the scrub gesture and focus stays on message 53 instead of going back up to the top of the list--a nice little fix for something we asked for. Also, multiple HQ voices and being able to select a default voice independently from region settings is something many of us wanted and now got. Facetime Audio is not a accessibility feature just as Control Center is not, but I think it's awesome that I can now call family members and friends who I know have iDevices and just have an audio conversation at super high quality without having to use Skype. I think overall this first release of iOS 7 is probably the best ever first release of an iOS version with the least amount of serious bugs both generally speaking and Voiceover specific bugs. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
I don't have any comments except with your issue #5. There are definitely new features in IOS 7 such as iTunes Radio, the Control Center, multiple pages in folders, the hand writing input method, more things you can do with Siri and quite a bit more. You may not use these features yourself, or you may not think they're worth upgrading to get to, but they are there. On 09/19/2013 10:32 AM, Lea Langley wrote: Hi, try not to get discouraged. There are some very new things and very new ways to do things in the iOS 7. I think once you get used to them you will like it. I understand your concerns, and I am not criticizing you at all. You have a right to express yourself. As for voiceover, there is a new option in the voiceover settings that allows you to silence the voice over sounds. You can include this in the rotor so that you can use it anytime you like. The problems you discussed are definitely bugs, and I hope Apple will fix them. There is an action option on the rotor and if you select that you might be able to move through your screens more easily. I am not sure about that one. I would recommend that you get Jonathan Motson's book. It is called I OS 7 without the eye it is a great book and gives lots of information about how to use new features with voiceover in iOS 7. God bless, Wren PS I have the book, and I have found it very helpful. There is also a new thing in the iOS 7 operati ng system called containers. I have to learn to use them by reading the book. If you would like any more help please feel free to write me off list if you would like and I will be glad to help you Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! problems i have in IOS7 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
I was very hesitant on updating but I have two iPod Touch 5th gens, so I figured I would update one and see what the results were. I do not regret updating, it is great. I have had no problems at all. -Original Message- From: rafal Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 Yes but flicking dont works properly - Original Message - From: "Lea Langley" To: Cc: "iphone group" Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:32 PM Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 Hi, try not to get discouraged. There are some very new things and very new ways to do things in the iOS 7. I think once you get used to them you will like it. I understand your concerns, and I am not criticizing you at all. You have a right to express yourself. As for voiceover, there is a new option in the voiceover settings that allows you to silence the voice over sounds. You can include this in the rotor so that you can use it anytime you like. The problems you discussed are definitely bugs, and I hope Apple will fix them. There is an action option on the rotor and if you select that you might be able to move through your screens more easily. I am not sure about that one. I would recommend that you get Jonathan Motson's book. It is called I OS 7 without the eye it is a great book and gives lots of information about how to use new features with voiceover in iOS 7. God bless, Wren PS I have the book, and I have found it very helpful. There is also a new thing in the iOS 7 operating system called containers. I have to learn to use them by reading the book. If you would like any more help please feel free to write me off list if you would like and I will be glad to help you Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! problems i have in IOS7 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
I find too that using the email program, things sure did slow way down but then again it was busy loading over 300 messages most from this group. --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "James Lockwood" To: "iphone group" Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! problems i have in IOS7 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
James, I've got to agree, I haven't Updated anything myself yet, because everything that I've been Reading so far, has pretty much been a Compilation of bug after bug after bug with VoiceOver and iOS 7. Now sure I understand that with any minor or major update, there's going to be some hiccups within the OS and VO, but it just seems that as of right now, the negatives out way the positives. Maybe this will change in a near future update, However, I think for me as of right now, I'm going to stay with 6.13 until I hear of another update and some bug fixes concerning VO. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: > personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and > here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. > sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! > > problems i have in IOS7 > 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it > seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the > phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock > button. > > 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would > always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the > page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try > flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where > you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over > always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of > the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it > now does. this annoying > > 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch > above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one > flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the > special clicks and noises associated with voice over. > > 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that > voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is > difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, > sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump > back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always > completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have > voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text > was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to > explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be > > 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real > enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Hi, I guess it's a matter of opinion. I have a 4s with iOS 7 and find the iPad like sounds to be a great addition. Also, it's great to see new features added in iOS which jailbreaking was necessary to get in prior versions. For example the Control Center. The jailbreak equivalent is SB Settings, and that gives you a chance to quickly turn on and off certain things without going into settings. It does more than that, but basically the control center adds this functionality. The background monitoring and updating of apps is a great thing because apps like GV Connect for Google Voice can now alert you of new text messages in your Google Voice number. Previously you had to use a third-party service like Boxcar or Push 4.0 to get this functionality. Slower? I don't see that happening on the 4s. So if you are seeing that on the 5, then perhaps something is up with your specific phone. It's an opinion for sure, but I'm actually more excited about iOS 7 than I was about iOS 6 and iOS 5. I think Apple have done a great job and I'm certainly not what you would call a Apple fanboy. -- Raul A. Gallegos If you tickle me, I am not responsible for your injuries. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/19/2013 10:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! problems i have in IOS7 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
On 9/19/2013 10:23 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi, I guess it's a matter of opinion. I have a 4s with iOS 7 and find the iPad like sounds to be a great addition. Also, it's great to see new features added in iOS which jailbreaking was necessary to get in prior versions. For example the Control Center. The jailbreak equivalent is SB Settings, and that gives you a chance to quickly turn on and off certain things without going into settings. It does more than that, but basically the control center adds this functionality. The background monitoring and updating of apps is a great thing because apps like GV Connect for Google Voice can now alert you of new text messages in your Google Voice number. Previously you had to use a third-party service like Boxcar or Push 4.0 to get this functionality. Slower? I don't see that happening on the 4s. So if you are seeing that on the 5, then perhaps something is up with your specific phone. It's an opinion for sure, but I'm actually more excited about iOS 7 than I was about iOS 6 and iOS 5. I think Apple have done a great job and I'm certainly not what you would call a Apple fanboy. -- Raul A. Gallegos If you tickle me, I am not responsible for your injuries. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/19/2013 10:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! problems i have in IOS7 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation agree, I do not regret upgrading to iOs 7. Love the features Raul mentioned and since I'm always passing my phone to a sighted perosn to see a message or search result, or app icon, I love being able to tell Siri to turn VO Off and ON. My 4s is not slower with the upgrade either. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
HI. I am not experiencing these issues. Not criticising at all. On my 4s the focus is a little better I think then it was in iOS 6. Features that I think are really good are the control centre, the new notification centre and improvements to siri. I like the way siri activates automatically when you've dictated a message etc. the karen voice sounds a little strange but I expect I'll get used to that. I also like the fact that vo can be turned on and off with siri now. Don't know how much I'll use it, but being able to turn the vo sounds on and off is kind of cool as well. Haven't found anything I really dislike yet. Blessings! maria and Joe chapman Email, iMessage & fb: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com twitter: bubbygirl On 20/09/2013, at 1:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: > personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and > here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. > sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! > > problems i have in IOS7 > 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it > seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the > phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock > button. > > 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would > always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the > page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try > flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where > you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over > always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of > the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it > now does. this annoying > > 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch > above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one > flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the > special clicks and noises associated with voice over. > > 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that > voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is > difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, > sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump > back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always > completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have > voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text > was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to > explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be > > 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real > enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Yes but flicking dont works properly - Original Message - From: "Lea Langley" To: Cc: "iphone group" Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:32 PM Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 Hi, try not to get discouraged. There are some very new things and very new ways to do things in the iOS 7. I think once you get used to them you will like it. I understand your concerns, and I am not criticizing you at all. You have a right to express yourself. As for voiceover, there is a new option in the voiceover settings that allows you to silence the voice over sounds. You can include this in the rotor so that you can use it anytime you like. The problems you discussed are definitely bugs, and I hope Apple will fix them. There is an action option on the rotor and if you select that you might be able to move through your screens more easily. I am not sure about that one. I would recommend that you get Jonathan Motson's book. It is called I OS 7 without the eye it is a great book and gives lots of information about how to use new features with voiceover in iOS 7. God bless, Wren PS I have the book, and I have found it very helpful. There is also a new thing in the iOS 7 operating system called containers. I have to learn to use them by reading the book. If you would like any more help please feel free to write me off list if you would like and I will be glad to help you Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! problems i have in IOS7 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be fo
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Yes, its true on my iphone 5 vo works very strange. - Original Message - From: "James Lockwood" To: "iphone group" Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:20 PM Subject: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! problems i have in IOS7 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Hi, try not to get discouraged. There are some very new things and very new ways to do things in the iOS 7. I think once you get used to them you will like it. I understand your concerns, and I am not criticizing you at all. You have a right to express yourself. As for voiceover, there is a new option in the voiceover settings that allows you to silence the voice over sounds. You can include this in the rotor so that you can use it anytime you like. The problems you discussed are definitely bugs, and I hope Apple will fix them. There is an action option on the rotor and if you select that you might be able to move through your screens more easily. I am not sure about that one. I would recommend that you get Jonathan Motson's book. It is called I OS 7 without the eye it is a great book and gives lots of information about how to use new features with voiceover in iOS 7. God bless, Wren PS I have the book, and I have found it very helpful. There is also a new thing in the iOS 7 operating system called containers. I have to learn to use them by reading the book. If you would like any more help please feel free to write me off list if you would like and I will be glad to help you Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: > > personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and > here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. > sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! > > problems i have in IOS7 > 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it > seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the > phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock > button. > > 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would > always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the > page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try > flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where > you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over > always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of > the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it > now does. this annoying > > 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch > above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one > flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the > special clicks and noises associated with voice over. > > 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that > voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is > difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, > sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump > back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always > completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have > voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text > was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to > explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be > > 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real > enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone"
Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7
Hello James: With respect to the first issue you have reported, I have not had that experience on my iPhone five. I cannot speak to your other issues though. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:20 AM, James Lockwood wrote: > > personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and > here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. > sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! > > problems i have in IOS7 > 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it > seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the > phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock > button. > > 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would > always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the > page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try > flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where > you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over > always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of > the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it > now does. this annoying > > 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch > above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one > flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the > special clicks and noises associated with voice over. > > 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that > voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is > difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, > sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump > back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always > completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have > voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text > was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to > explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be > > 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real > enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
