Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
Hi! Back in the days while I was a member of another blind iOS list one of the fellow members was trying to get some kind of wish list what would we all like to see in iOS 7 fro accessibility point of view. As far as I know, she never managed to compile the list and send it to Apple but the general idea is still worth a try. Perhaps we should gather the list of current issues and possible improovements on some petition site, sign it all together and send it to Apple. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 28.12.2015. u 1:28, Rajmund je napisao/la: Hello, I'd rather they solved out the pitch issue first, really. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, December 28, 2015 12:04 am Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I disagree that there's nothing Apple can do. Apple can definitely work with Nuance to get a toggle added as to whether abbreviations are expanded or not, and then Apple can include a setting for this toggle in VoiceOver settings. I suspect Apple has quite a bit of influence with Nuance, and Nuance would listen to Apple when it comes to a feature request.. I find it just an inconvenience myself, and I have other things I'd rather have Apple address which I consider a higher priority, so I wont' be dropping a note to Apple accessibility myself. On 27/12/15 17:08, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann wrote: to all, as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers who would follow your needs. I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other things. plese don't hold back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple yourself. they need your help. it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would be easier. remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but you can't see me. same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what they know. so please be more helpful. respectfully, rich -Original Message- From: Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. Write to: accessibil...@apple.com \ Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. Richard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hello Kevin, This happens to me, also. The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose name is Al Jones. I couldn't find him until I realized that VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. I wonder if there is a workaround for this? (smile) Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hi. I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted to hear the
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
Well, I'm in a bit of strange situation. I'm from Croatia and speak Croatian language which is currently not available for iOS and OS X. As a replacement we in Croatia use Czech voices till we finally get something genuine for our users. I don't feel good about complaining how other voices perform and since the development of Croatian Vocalizer is in process I'll do my best to spread my opiniion within the team. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 28.12.2015. u 0:14, Paul Richard McGann je napisao/la: shawn and gordon, are you going to send notes to apple accessibility??? yes or no? don't try to point out. it is americans with disabilties act, and it is under title iii public accomoation. yo uneed to voice out. I have been an advocate for almost 25 yers. and I have shared with lawyers who ackonwledge this. apple makes huge billion dollars in profit and the can do don't try to point out that you can't. I say yes, you can. plese speak out. respectfully, rich -Original Message- From: Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann wrote: to all, as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers who would follow your needs. I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other things. plese don't hold back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple yourself. they need your help. it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would be easier. remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but you can't see me. same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what they know. so please be more helpful. respectfully, rich -Original Message- From: Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. Write to: accessibil...@apple.com \ Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. Richard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hello Kevin, This happens to me, al
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
I agree we should let Apple know about things that need fixing or improving on the iPhone. As you said, Apple won't know what to fix or change if they don't hear from us. I've sent many a suggestion to the Apple feedback site and accessibility related issues to their accessibility mailing list. I won't be sending in a message about the abbreviation expansion though, since as I said, it doesn't bother me personally. What I didn't understand, and where we may not agree, is that I don't think it makes sense to mention the American's with Disabilities Act when talking about the abbreviation expansion. I don't think it's an employment issue. I'm not sure if that's what you were trying to say or not though. On 27/12/15 18:23, Paul Richard McGann wrote: mr. chaltain, I apologize to this, but it is my last effort. like I have no idea what naunce is as I am deafblind myself. but like I said the quote: yo can see me but I can't see you...I can see yo but you can't see me. it doesn't mean about our visions. but I am talking about reading minds. you don't see what I know and I don't see what yo know. apple officials and technicians at apple stores did say if there are problems keep notifying apple headfquarter more often and they would do their best to improve to satisfy you how will apple know that yo are not happy about something? mr. turner did talk with apple accessiblity and sorted out. that is wonderful.I only give yo the note what apple officials said to me in past saying that they would be happy if any blind people can notify some issues, then they would fix the problems. they can't be so sure if some work and some are not working. I hope this helps you. or even, go to apple store and show techniciian as tecyhnician can see the problem and technician file report. same with me showing up at apple store and let tecnician seeing for himself and he saw what happened and he tried his and realized the problems. same with technicians who are authorized by apple at att store, verizon store, best buy, and other stores. are yo going to contact with apple accessiblity to share your feedback??? respectfully, rich -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I disagree that there's nothing Apple can do. Apple can definitely work with Nuance to get a toggle added as to whether abbreviations are expanded or not, and then Apple can include a setting for this toggle in VoiceOver settings. I suspect Apple has quite a bit of influence with Nuance, and Nuance would listen to Apple when it comes to a feature request. I find it just an inconvenience myself, and I have other things I'd rather have Apple address which I consider a higher priority, so I wont' be dropping a note to Apple accessibility myself. On 27/12/15 17:08, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann wrote: to all, as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers who would follow your needs. I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other things. plese don't hold back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple yourself. they need your help. it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would be easier. remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but you can't see me. same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what they know. so please be more helpful. respectfully, rich -----Original Message- From: Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. Write to: accessibil...@apple.com \ Looking at baseball, AL
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
Unfortunately the only language that does that is Samantha. All the rest of the English languages don't say Boys name Al as if it was the state of Alabama. Katey. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 27, 2015, at 5:31 PM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone > who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them > as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception > dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. > Write to: accessibil...@apple.com > \ > Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. > Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. > > Richard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > Hello Kevin, > > This happens to me, also. > > The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose > name is Al Jones. I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was > pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and then got a > little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. > > I wonder if there is a workaround for this? > > (smile) > > Mark > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Kevin Minor > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > Hi. > > I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted > to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and was > selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has the > ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the teams. > GB was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the screen, > and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever > is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d > just let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn’t the only one who > does this. I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician > was Drive Johnson. Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes > too much of a good thing. > > Just thought I’d share this observation. > > Have a good day, and don’t work too hard. > > Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
Hello, Unfortunately, even if the TTS had it, IOS currently doesn't support it. But yes, it would work. - Original Message - From: Jewel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, December 28, 2015 12:05 am Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > > > Does Nuance not have a dictionary as does Jaws. If it had, you could > instruct it that when it saw GB etc, it was to read the letters, and not try > to gainsay it into words. > > Jewel > > > From: Kevin Minor > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 10:57 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > > Hi. > > I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted > to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and was > selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has the > ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the teams. > GB was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the screen, > and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever > is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they'd > just let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn't the only one who > does this. I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician > was Drive Johnson. Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes > too much of a good thing. > > Just thought I'd share this observation. > > Have a good day, and don't work too hard. > > Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Sent from a Braille Sense -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
Hello, I'd rather they solved out the pitch issue first, really. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, December 28, 2015 12:04 am Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > > I disagree that there's nothing Apple can do. Apple can definitely work > with Nuance to get a toggle added as to whether abbreviations are > expanded or not, and then Apple can include a setting for this toggle in > VoiceOver settings. I suspect Apple has quite a bit of influence with > Nuance, and Nuance would listen to Apple when it comes to a feature request.. > > I find it just an inconvenience myself, and I have other things I'd > rather have Apple address which I consider a higher priority, so I wont' > be dropping a note to Apple accessibility myself. > > On 27/12/15 17:08, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: > > I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, > > Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On > > my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time > > he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb. > > > > Shawn > > Sent From My White MacBook > > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk > > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs > > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper > > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > > > >> On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann > >> wrote: > >> > >> to all, > >> > >> as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, > >> they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify > >> apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and > >> developers who would follow your needs. > >> > >> I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other > >> things. plese don't hold back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple > >> yourself. they need your help. > >> > >> it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it > >> would be easier. > >> > >> remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but > >> you can't see me. > >> > >> same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know > >> what they know. so please be more helpful. > >> > >> respectfully, > >> rich > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner > >> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM > >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >> Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > >> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > >> > >> I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest > >> everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would > >> write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an > >> exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. > >> Write to: accessibil...@apple.com > >> \ > >> Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. > >> Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. > >> > >> Richard > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > >> Of M. Taylor > >> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM > >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >> Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > >> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > >> > >> Hello Kevin, > >> > >> This happens to me, also. > >> > >> The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, > >> whose name is Al Jones. I couldn't find him until I realized that > >> VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and > >> then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. > >> > >> I wonder if there is a workaround for this? > >> > >> (smile) > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> > >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > >> Of Kevin Minor > >> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM > >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >> Subject:
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
mr. chaltain, I apologize to this, but it is my last effort. like I have no idea what naunce is as I am deafblind myself. but like I said the quote: yo can see me but I can't see you...I can see yo but you can't see me. it doesn't mean about our visions. but I am talking about reading minds. you don't see what I know and I don't see what yo know. apple officials and technicians at apple stores did say if there are problems keep notifying apple headfquarter more often and they would do their best to improve to satisfy you how will apple know that yo are not happy about something? mr. turner did talk with apple accessiblity and sorted out. that is wonderful.I only give yo the note what apple officials said to me in past saying that they would be happy if any blind people can notify some issues, then they would fix the problems. they can't be so sure if some work and some are not working. I hope this helps you. or even, go to apple store and show techniciian as tecyhnician can see the problem and technician file report. same with me showing up at apple store and let tecnician seeing for himself and he saw what happened and he tried his and realized the problems. same with technicians who are authorized by apple at att store, verizon store, best buy, and other stores. are yo going to contact with apple accessiblity to share your feedback??? respectfully, rich -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I disagree that there's nothing Apple can do. Apple can definitely work with Nuance to get a toggle added as to whether abbreviations are expanded or not, and then Apple can include a setting for this toggle in VoiceOver settings. I suspect Apple has quite a bit of influence with Nuance, and Nuance would listen to Apple when it comes to a feature request. I find it just an inconvenience myself, and I have other things I'd rather have Apple address which I consider a higher priority, so I wont' be dropping a note to Apple accessibility myself. On 27/12/15 17:08, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann wrote: to all, as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers who would follow your needs. I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other things. plese don't hold back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple yourself. they need your help. it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would be easier. remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but you can't see me. same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what they know. so please be more helpful. respectfully, rich -Original Message- From: Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. Write to: accessibil...@apple.com \ Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. Richard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hello Kevin, This happens to me, also. The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose name is Al Jones. I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. I wonder if there is a workaround for this? (smile
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
Does Nuance not have a dictionary as does Jaws. If it had, you could instruct it that when it saw GB etc, it was to read the letters, and not try to gainsay it into words. Jewel From: Kevin Minor Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 10:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hi. I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and was selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the teams. GB was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does this. I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive Johnson. Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of a good thing. Just thought I’d share this observation. Have a good day, and don’t work too hard. Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
I disagree that there's nothing Apple can do. Apple can definitely work with Nuance to get a toggle added as to whether abbreviations are expanded or not, and then Apple can include a setting for this toggle in VoiceOver settings. I suspect Apple has quite a bit of influence with Nuance, and Nuance would listen to Apple when it comes to a feature request. I find it just an inconvenience myself, and I have other things I'd rather have Apple address which I consider a higher priority, so I wont' be dropping a note to Apple accessibility myself. On 27/12/15 17:08, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann wrote: to all, as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers who would follow your needs. I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other things. plese don't hold back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple yourself. they need your help. it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would be easier. remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but you can't see me. same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what they know. so please be more helpful. respectfully, rich -Original Message- From: Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. Write to: accessibil...@apple.com \ Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. Richard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hello Kevin, This happens to me, also. The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose name is Al Jones. I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. I wonder if there is a workaround for this? (smile) Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hi. I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and was selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the teams. GB was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does this. I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive Johnson. Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of a good thing. Just thought I’d share this observation. Have a good day, and don’t work too hard. Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-arch
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
It's hard for me to understand this message, so I apologize if I get it wrong, but I don't think a text to speech engine trying to pronounce abbreviations has anything to do with the American's with Disabilities Act. I can't think of a situation where someone would be at a disadvantage in an employment situation because a synthesizer expanded an abbreviation. On 27/12/15 17:14, Paul Richard McGann wrote: shawn and gordon, are you going to send notes to apple accessibility??? yes or no? don't try to point out. it is americans with disabilties act, and it is under title iii public accomoation. yo uneed to voice out. I have been an advocate for almost 25 yers. and I have shared with lawyers who ackonwledge this. apple makes huge billion dollars in profit and the can do don't try to point out that you can't. I say yes, you can. plese speak out. respectfully, rich -Original Message- From: Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann wrote: to all, as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers who would follow your needs. I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other things. plese don't hold back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple yourself. they need your help. it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would be easier. remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but you can't see me. same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what they know. so please be more helpful. respectfully, rich -Original Message- From: Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. Write to: accessibil...@apple.com \ Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. Richard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hello Kevin, This happens to me, also. The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose name is Al Jones. I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. I wonder if there is a workaround for this? (smile) Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hi. I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and was selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the teams. GB was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does this. I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive Johnson. Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of a good thing. Just thought I’d share this observation. Have a good day, and don’t work too hard. Kevin Mino
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
No, because like I said, it's a Nuance issue, not an Apple issue. The nuance Vocalizer voices do that on every platform, weather it's iOS's or OS X's Voiceover, NVDA and Jaws. Like I said, Alex doesn't do that, and that's who I use all the time. I might use one of the Siri voices here and there, which I might add are also owned by Nuance as well, but I lean back on Alex. Just keep that in mind, it's not just an Apple issue, it's everywhere else too. Nuance would have to reprogram their voices so that it would ignore abbreviations or make them smarter like Apple does with Alex. Also, they would have to do that on every platform. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > On Dec 27, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Paul Richard McGann wrote: > > shawn and gordon, > > are you going to send notes to apple accessibility??? yes or no? > > don't try to point out. it is americans with disabilties act, and it is under > title iii public accomoation. yo uneed to voice out. > > I have been an advocate for almost 25 yers. and I have shared with lawyers > who ackonwledge this. apple makes huge billion dollars in profit and the can > do don't try to point out that you can't. I say yes, you can. > > plese speak out. > > respectfully, > rich > > > -Original Message----- From: Shawn Krasniuk > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:08 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, > Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my > end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he > says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb. > > Shawn > Sent From My White MacBook > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > >> On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann >> wrote: >> >> to all, >> >> as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they >> keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple >> accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers >> who would follow your needs. >> >> I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other >> things. plese don't hold back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple >> yourself. they need your help. >> >> it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would >> be easier. >> >> remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but >> you can't see me. >> >> same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what >> they know. so please be more helpful. >> >> respectfully, >> rich >> >> >> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner >> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks >> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. >> >> I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone >> who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them >> as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception >> dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. >> Write to: accessibil...@apple.com >> \ >> Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. >> Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. >> >> Richard >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of M. Taylor >> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks >> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. >> >> Hello Kevin, >> >> This happens to me, also. >> >> The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose >> name is Al Jones. I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was >> pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and then got a >> little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
Hi, Actually, same with Samantha. If I put: 2GB, I'll hear giga ytes. But if I put GB, I won't hear giga bytes. I'll just hear g b. Although, for SD, she does say South Dacota, (excuse spelling). - Original Message - From: Shawn Krasniuk To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:08 pm Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > > I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, > Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my > end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he > says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb. > > Shawn > Sent From My White MacBook > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > > > On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann > > wrote: > > > > to all, > > > > as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they > > keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple > > accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers > > who would follow your needs. > > > > I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other > > things. plese don't hold back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple > > yourself. they need your help. > > > > it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would > > be easier. > > > > remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but > > you can't see me. > > > > same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what > > they know. so please be more helpful. > > > > respectfully, > > rich > > > > > > -Original Message- From: Richard Turner > > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > > > I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone > > who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them > > as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception > > dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. > > Write to: accessibil...@apple.com > > \ > > Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. > > Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. > > > > Richard > > > > -Original Message- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > > Of M. Taylor > > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > > > Hello Kevin, > > > > This happens to me, also. > > > > The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, > > whose name is Al Jones. I couldn't find him until I realized that > > VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and > > then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. > > > > I wonder if there is a workaround for this? > > > > (smile) > > > > Mark > > > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > > Of Kevin Minor > > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > > > Hi. > > > > I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I > > wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and > > was selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has > > the ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the > > teams. GB was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the > > screen, and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know > > whoever is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish > > they'd just let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn't the only > > one wh
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
shawn and gordon, are you going to send notes to apple accessibility??? yes or no? don't try to point out. it is americans with disabilties act, and it is under title iii public accomoation. yo uneed to voice out. I have been an advocate for almost 25 yers. and I have shared with lawyers who ackonwledge this. apple makes huge billion dollars in profit and the can do don't try to point out that you can't. I say yes, you can. plese speak out. respectfully, rich -Original Message- From: Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann wrote: to all, as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers who would follow your needs. I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other things. plese don't hold back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple yourself. they need your help. it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would be easier. remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but you can't see me. same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what they know. so please be more helpful. respectfully, rich -Original Message- From: Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. Write to: accessibil...@apple.com \ Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. Richard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hello Kevin, This happens to me, also. The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose name is Al Jones. I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. I wonder if there is a workaround for this? (smile) Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hi. I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and was selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the teams. GB was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does this. I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive Johnson. Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of a good thing. Just thought I’d share this observation. Have a good day, and don’t work too hard. Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your own
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann wrote: > > to all, > > as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they > keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple > accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers > who would follow your needs. > > I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other > things. plese don't hold back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple > yourself. they need your help. > > it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would > be easier. > > remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but > you can't see me. > > same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what > they know. so please be more helpful. > > respectfully, > rich > > > -Original Message- From: Richard Turner > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone > who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them > as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception > dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. > Write to: accessibil...@apple.com > \ > Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. > Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. > > Richard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > Hello Kevin, > > This happens to me, also. > > The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose > name is Al Jones. I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was > pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and then got a > little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. > > I wonder if there is a workaround for this? > > (smile) > > Mark > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Kevin Minor > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > Hi. > > I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted > to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and was > selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has the > ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the teams. GB > was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the screen, and > was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever is > programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just > let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does > this. I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was > Drive Johnson. Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too > much of a good thing. > > Just thought I’d share this observation. > > Have a good day, and don’t work too hard. > > Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subs
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
to all, as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers who would follow your needs. I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other things. plese don't hold back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple yourself. they need your help. it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would be easier. remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but you can't see me. same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what they know. so please be more helpful. respectfully, rich -Original Message- From: Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. Write to: accessibil...@apple.com \ Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. Richard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hello Kevin, This happens to me, also. The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose name is Al Jones. I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. I wonder if there is a workaround for this? (smile) Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hi. I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and was selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the teams. GB was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does this. I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive Johnson. Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of a good thing. Just thought I’d share this observation. Have a good day, and don’t work too hard. Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this
RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today. I'd suggest everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations. Write to: accessibil...@apple.com \ Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama. Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on. Richard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hello Kevin, This happens to me, also. The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose name is Al Jones. I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. I wonder if there is a workaround for this? (smile) Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hi. I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and was selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the teams. GB was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does this. I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive Johnson. Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of a good thing. Just thought I’d share this observation. Have a good day, and don’t work too hard. Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this gro
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
Hello, Not sure, but its pretty funny, when you abbreviate facetime as FT, and the siri voices (some, anyway) say feature, or featuring, can't remember which. While not the best, try experimenting with voices? - Original Message - From: M. Taylor To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:09 pm Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > > Hello Kevin, > > This happens to me, also. > > The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose > name is Al Jones. I couldn't find him until I realized that VoiceOver was > pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and then got a > little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. > > I wonder if there is a workaround for this? > > (smile) > > Mark > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Kevin Minor > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. > > Hi. > > I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted > to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and was > selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has the > ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the teams. > GB was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the screen, > and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever > is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they'd > just let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn't the only one who > does this. I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician > was Drive Johnson. Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes > too much of a good thing. > > Just thought I'd share this observation. > > Have a good day, and don't work too hard. > > Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Sent from a Braille Sense -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
Hello Kevin, This happens to me, also. The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose name is Al Jones. I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones. I felt so stupid and then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much. I wonder if there is a workaround for this? (smile) Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous. Hi. I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and was selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the teams. GB was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does this. I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive Johnson. Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of a good thing. Just thought I’d share this observation. Have a good day, and don’t work too hard. Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
Hi! I totally agree but I believe it doesn't have much to do with Voice Over as with Nuance Vocalizer TTS which Voice Over is using. I really hate when TTS thinks it's smarter than me and that's I liked Apollo and Juno in the back days and today I like Espeak. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 27.12.2015. u 22:57, Kevin Minor je napisao/la: Hi. I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs. I wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay. I got there, and was selecting the feed I wanted. The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where it is on the field. They use abbreviations for the teams. GB was used for Green Bay. I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let abbreviations say their letters. VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does this. I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive Johnson. Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of a good thing. Just thought I’d share this observation. Have a good day, and don’t work too hard. Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.