RE: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod.
Hi Annie, Unfortunately, no, but I would have expected them to be doing so as so many people are using the display on bluetooth with IPhones, IPods, and IBoards. Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 23:41 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi Irene. Do you know if they are trying to solve the problems. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 11:46 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Humanware here in the UK are well aware of the problem. Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 20:13 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi Irene. I am glad that it is not only my display. Would you mind reporting that problem to human ware. I can only contact the local dealer here in Denmark. I am not allowed to contact human ware. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Myself and my husband, Tony, use a Braillant bi 32 - myself with an IPod Touch 4 and Tony with an IPhone 4S. We have both experienced this problem several times, so it is not very likely to be a fault with your display Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 19:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op 09/03/2013 19:13, Mary Otten schreef: Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can
RE: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod.
Hi Maria and Annie, I do not know the Classic Focus 40 Blue so do not know whether there is a choice of using space with the normal Braille keys for commands or the six outer buttons, as on the Brailliant. I have found it most successful to use the six outer buttons on my display. Irene Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Kristic Sent: 11 March 2013 00:13 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. To add to Irene's response on Braille commands, it should be possible to activate the Item Chooser and to select/manipulate text with your Braille display. I use a Classic Focus 40 Blue but *think* the commands are the same on the Brailliant BI series; however, it would be best to check using VO Keyboard Help. Perhaps, there are commands available using the command keys. The commands I use are: SPACE with DOTS 2-4: Activate Item Chooser Manipulating Text: Choose characters/words/lines with the rotor using commands for your display provided by Irene, then: SPACE with DOTS 2-5-6: select text by the unit specified by the rotor SPACE with DOTS 2-3-5: unselect text by the unit specified by the rotor SPACE with DOTS 2-3-5-6: select all SPACE with DOTS 1-4: copy text SPACE with DOTS 1-3-4-6: cut SPACE with DOTS 1-2-3-6: paste Hope this is helpful! Regards, Maria -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi Irene. Do you know if they are trying to solve the problems. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 11:46 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Humanware here in the UK are well aware of the problem. Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 20:13 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi Irene. I am glad that it is not only my display. Would you mind reporting that problem to human ware. I can only contact the local dealer here in Denmark. I am not allowed to contact human ware. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Myself and my husband, Tony, use a Braillant bi 32 - myself with an IPod Touch 4 and Tony with an IPhone 4S. We have both experienced this problem several times, so it is not very likely to be a fault with your display Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 19:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things
RE: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod.
Hi Anouk. I would respond to your private e-mail address if it had been provided, as my reply is concerning your offtopic query, so may not be allowed on list. I believe there are drivers available for linking the Brailliant to JAWS. I have not done this myself, so know nothing more. Irene Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of anouk radix Sent: 11 March 2013 00:32 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi Kamal, You have to do this via settings/general/accessibility/voiceover/braille. It will tell you that bluetooth has to be turned on and it will do so. Then you will, after a few seconds see the braillant and yu will have to hit the pair button. I am interested on how you can pair it with jaws on a windows machine though since I have not gotten that to work yet but that is off-topic. Greetings, Anouk, Op 10/03/2013 21:29, Kamal Haffar schreef: Hi all: I can't seem to be able to pair my Brailliant bi 40 with my Iphone 4s. I am able to pair it with my Windows PC using Jaws and Window Eyes. Cheers, On 3/10/2013 4:13 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi Irene. I am glad that it is not only my display. Would you mind reporting that problem to human ware. I can only contact the local dealer here in Denmark. I am not allowed to contact human ware. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Myself and my husband, Tony, use a Braillant bi 32 - myself with an IPod Touch 4 and Tony with an IPhone 4S. We have both experienced this problem several times, so it is not very likely to be a fault with your display Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 19:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op
Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod.
Hi, all email addresses are available to you in an email. That's how an email message goes out, or at least that's one of the requirements. For example, my email address is listed here as well. So, if you don't know what it is, do a reply-to-all, and you will see it there. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos My mother + my father - condom = the most amazing human being alive. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 3/11/2013 11:10 AM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN wrote: Hi Anouk. I would respond to your private e-mail address if it had been provided, as my reply is concerning your offtopic query, so may not be allowed on list. I believe there are drivers available for linking the Brailliant to JAWS. I have not done this myself, so know nothing more. Irene Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of anouk radix Sent: 11 March 2013 00:32 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi Kamal, You have to do this via settings/general/accessibility/voiceover/braille. It will tell you that bluetooth has to be turned on and it will do so. Then you will, after a few seconds see the braillant and yu will have to hit the pair button. I am interested on how you can pair it with jaws on a windows machine though since I have not gotten that to work yet but that is off-topic. Greetings, Anouk, Op 10/03/2013 21:29, Kamal Haffar schreef: Hi all: I can't seem to be able to pair my Brailliant bi 40 with my Iphone 4s. I am able to pair it with my Windows PC using Jaws and Window Eyes. Cheers, On 3/10/2013 4:13 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi Irene. I am glad that it is not only my display. Would you mind reporting that problem to human ware. I can only contact the local dealer here in Denmark. I am not allowed to contact human ware. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Myself and my husband, Tony, use a Braillant bi 32 - myself with an IPod Touch 4 and Tony with an IPhone 4S. We have both experienced this problem several times, so it is not very likely to be a fault with your display Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 19:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change
Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod.
Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op 09/03/2013 19:13, Mary Otten schreef: Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can, please somebody let me know how. Also, and I suppose obviously, if you need to pair or repair the display, you need to interact with the touch screen and hear the speech output to accomplish that task. And some things, like opening an app whose place you know on the touch screen are more efficient with touch than with the braille display, simply because you can go right to the app and double tap it. No sequential arrowing to get there. None of these things are specific to the TBI-32, which is, in my opinion, an excellent display that works quite well with the iPhone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod.
Hello, Anouk, To move through lists with VoiceOver while using a Braille display, I believe you use space-dot six to move down and dot three to move up. I can check on that for you if you like, though. I know for sure that its the same command that you would use to move by the selected Rotor element. thanks, Ari On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:18 AM, anouk radix radix.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op 09/03/2013 19:13, Mary Otten schreef: Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can, please somebody let me know how. Also, and I suppose obviously, if you need to pair or repair the display, you need to interact with the touch screen and hear the speech output to accomplish that task. And some things, like opening an app whose place you know on the touch screen are more efficient with touch than with the braille display, simply because you can go right to the app and double tap it. No sequential arrowing to get there. None of these things are specific to the TBI-32, which is, in my opinion, an excellent display that works quite well with the iPhone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod.
Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op 09/03/2013 19:13, Mary Otten schreef: Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can, please somebody let me know how. Also, and I suppose obviously, if you need to pair or repair the display, you need to interact with the touch screen and hear the speech output to accomplish that task. And some things, like opening an app whose place you know on the touch screen are more efficient with touch than with the braille display, simply because you can go right to the app and double tap it. No sequential arrowing to get there. None of these things are specific to the TBI-32, which is, in my opinion, an excellent display that works quite well with the iPhone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
RE: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod.
Hi Annie, Myself and my husband, Tony, use a Braillant bi 32 - myself with an IPod Touch 4 and Tony with an IPhone 4S. We have both experienced this problem several times, so it is not very likely to be a fault with your display Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 19:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op 09/03/2013 19:13, Mary Otten schreef: Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can, please somebody let me know how. Also, and I suppose obviously, if you need to pair or repair the display, you need to interact with the touch screen and hear the speech output to accomplish that task. And some things, like opening an app whose place you know on the touch screen are more efficient with touch than with the braille display, simply because you can go right to the app and double tap it. No sequential arrowing to get there. None of these things are specific to the TBI-32, which is, in my opinion, an excellent display that works quite well with the iPhone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups
Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod.
Hi Irene. I am glad that it is not only my display. Would you mind reporting that problem to human ware. I can only contact the local dealer here in Denmark. I am not allowed to contact human ware. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Myself and my husband, Tony, use a Braillant bi 32 - myself with an IPod Touch 4 and Tony with an IPhone 4S. We have both experienced this problem several times, so it is not very likely to be a fault with your display Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 19:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op 09/03/2013 19:13, Mary Otten schreef: Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can, please somebody let me know how. Also, and I suppose obviously, if you need to pair or repair the display, you need to interact with the touch screen and hear the speech output to accomplish that task. And some things, like opening an app whose place you know on the touch screen are more efficient with touch than with the braille display, simply because you can go right to the app and double tap it. No sequential arrowing to get there. None of these things are specific to the TBI-32, which is, in my opinion, an excellent display that works quite well with the iPhone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr
Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod.
Hi all: I can't seem to be able to pair my Brailliant bi 40 with my Iphone 4s. I am able to pair it with my Windows PC using Jaws and Window Eyes. Cheers, On 3/10/2013 4:13 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi Irene. I am glad that it is not only my display. Would you mind reporting that problem to human ware. I can only contact the local dealer here in Denmark. I am not allowed to contact human ware. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Myself and my husband, Tony, use a Braillant bi 32 - myself with an IPod Touch 4 and Tony with an IPhone 4S. We have both experienced this problem several times, so it is not very likely to be a fault with your display Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 19:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op 09/03/2013 19:13, Mary Otten schreef: Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can, please somebody let me know how. Also, and I suppose obviously, if you need to pair or repair the display, you need to interact with the touch screen and hear the speech output to accomplish that task. And some things, like opening an app whose place you know on the touch screen are more efficient with touch than with the braille display, simply because you can go right to the app and double tap it. No sequential arrowing to get there. None of these things are specific to the TBI-32, which is, in my opinion, an excellent display that works quite well with the iPhone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post
RE: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod.
Hi Annie, Humanware here in the UK are well aware of the problem. Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 20:13 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi Irene. I am glad that it is not only my display. Would you mind reporting that problem to human ware. I can only contact the local dealer here in Denmark. I am not allowed to contact human ware. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Myself and my husband, Tony, use a Braillant bi 32 - myself with an IPod Touch 4 and Tony with an IPhone 4S. We have both experienced this problem several times, so it is not very likely to be a fault with your display Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 19:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op 09/03/2013 19:13, Mary Otten schreef: Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can, please somebody let me know how. Also, and I suppose obviously, if you need to pair or repair the display, you need to interact with the touch screen and hear the speech output to accomplish that task. And some things, like opening an app whose place you know on the touch screen are more efficient with touch than with the braille display, simply because you can go right to the app and double tap it. No sequential arrowing to get there. None of these things are specific to the TBI-32, which is, in my opinion, an excellent display that works quite well with the iPhone. Mary Mary
Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod.
Hi Ari. Sometimes I will have to turn the phone of and on again, before things works. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Arianna englishride...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Annie and Irene, I have the same problem a lot, as well. It's rather annoying. The phone thinks it's still paired with the display, but nothing will work. Well, usually nothing. Sometimes the keys and buttons will opperate as normal, but the Braille line will not refresh to reflect the speech.At other times, the keys and Braille line will not cooperate, and turning the display off then on again will fix things. I usually turn the display off and on, then lock and unlock the phone. This usually works. Thanks, Ari On Mar 10, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Irene. I am glad that it is not only my display. Would you mind reporting that problem to human ware. I can only contact the local dealer here in Denmark. I am not allowed to contact human ware. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Myself and my husband, Tony, use a Braillant bi 32 - myself with an IPod Touch 4 and Tony with an IPhone 4S. We have both experienced this problem several times, so it is not very likely to be a fault with your display Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 19:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op 09/03/2013 19:13, Mary Otten schreef: Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can, please somebody let me know how. Also, and I suppose obviously, if you need to pair or repair the display, you need to interact
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Hi Irene. Do you know if they are trying to solve the problems. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 11:46 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Humanware here in the UK are well aware of the problem. Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 20:13 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi Irene. I am glad that it is not only my display. Would you mind reporting that problem to human ware. I can only contact the local dealer here in Denmark. I am not allowed to contact human ware. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Myself and my husband, Tony, use a Braillant bi 32 - myself with an IPod Touch 4 and Tony with an IPhone 4S. We have both experienced this problem several times, so it is not very likely to be a fault with your display Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 19:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op 09/03/2013 19:13, Mary Otten schreef: Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can, please somebody let me know how. Also, and I suppose obviously, if you need to pair or repair the display, you need to interact with the touch screen and hear the speech output to accomplish that task. And some things, like opening an app whose place you know on the touch screen are more efficient with touch than with the braille display, simply because you can go right to the app and double tap
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To add to Irene's response on Braille commands, it should be possible to activate the Item Chooser and to select/manipulate text with your Braille display. I use a Classic Focus 40 Blue but *think* the commands are the same on the Brailliant BI series; however, it would be best to check using VO Keyboard Help. Perhaps, there are commands available using the command keys. The commands I use are: SPACE with DOTS 2-4: Activate Item Chooser Manipulating Text: Choose characters/words/lines with the rotor using commands for your display provided by Irene, then: SPACE with DOTS 2-5-6: select text by the unit specified by the rotor SPACE with DOTS 2-3-5: unselect text by the unit specified by the rotor SPACE with DOTS 2-3-5-6: select all SPACE with DOTS 1-4: copy text SPACE with DOTS 1-3-4-6: cut SPACE with DOTS 1-2-3-6: paste Hope this is helpful! Regards, Maria -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi Irene. Do you know if they are trying to solve the problems. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 11:46 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Humanware here in the UK are well aware of the problem. Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 20:13 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi Irene. I am glad that it is not only my display. Would you mind reporting that problem to human ware. I can only contact the local dealer here in Denmark. I am not allowed to contact human ware. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Myself and my husband, Tony, use a Braillant bi 32 - myself with an IPod Touch 4 and Tony with an IPhone 4S. We have both experienced this problem several times, so it is not very likely to be a fault with your display Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 19:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have
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Hi Kamal, You have to do this via settings/general/accessibility/voiceover/braille. It will tell you that bluetooth has to be turned on and it will do so. Then you will, after a few seconds see the braillant and yu will have to hit the pair button. I am interested on how you can pair it with jaws on a windows machine though since I have not gotten that to work yet but that is off-topic. Greetings, Anouk, Op 10/03/2013 21:29, Kamal Haffar schreef: Hi all: I can't seem to be able to pair my Brailliant bi 40 with my Iphone 4s. I am able to pair it with my Windows PC using Jaws and Window Eyes. Cheers, On 3/10/2013 4:13 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi Irene. I am glad that it is not only my display. Would you mind reporting that problem to human ware. I can only contact the local dealer here in Denmark. I am not allowed to contact human ware. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Irene Elbourn at TAFN ir...@tafn.org.uk wrote: Hi Annie, Myself and my husband, Tony, use a Braillant bi 32 - myself with an IPod Touch 4 and Tony with an IPhone 4S. We have both experienced this problem several times, so it is not very likely to be a fault with your display Irene -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: 10 March 2013 19:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Brailliant BI 40 with an iPhone/iPod. Hi all. I also have a brailliant bi 32 cells display. It is a great display, but I have 1 problem, that has not been mentioned, so I am a little afraid that it is my display. Sometimes while writing or navigating, the display and my IPhone 5 loses connection, and it can be a little tricky to get it back again. Best regards Annie. On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Rollin Hippler irie_10...@mindspring.com wrote: Hello, At least with the Brailliant, for any field which is a list of values (adjustable) command-3 moves down the list and command-6 moves up the list. When not on an adjustable field, command 3 advances the focus to the next rotor position and command -6 does the opposite. Command-2-3 selects the next rotor action and command-5-6 goesbackwardthrough the list. One other helpful set of command keys is command-1-3 activates VoiceOver help and command-1-2 exits help. When VoiceOver help is active, pressing any key(s) on the Brailliant describes what that function does. The spoken text appears momentarily on the braille display, but it disappears quickly so it is difficult to read. Hope this is helpful. Rollin On 3/9/2013 2:18 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op 09/03/2013 19:13, Mary Otten schreef: Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can, please somebody let me know how. Also, and I suppose obviously, if you need to pair or repair the display, you need to interact with the touch screen and hear the speech output to accomplish that task. And some things, like opening an app whose place you know on the touch screen are more efficient with touch than
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Hi Jim and list, I use a Brailliant BI32 with my iPhone 4S most of the time. In my personal opinion, the Brailliant makes it easier to use Safari and I do not have to rely on the speech output from VoiceOver. There are some web pages VO has trouble rendering, but I haven't yet found a screen reader able to read everything that's on the web. The Brailliant and iPhone is a great combination. Rollin On 3/6/2013 10:10 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Hello folks: I have a Deaf-Blind client who is desiring to access the internet. She has not used a computer before so we’re starting from scratch. Question: how well does the BI 40 work with an iphone? Can all tasks be accomplished without hearing the device? Cheers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can, please somebody let me know how. Also, and I suppose obviously, if you need to pair or repair the display, you need to interact with the touch screen and hear the speech output to accomplish that task. And some things, like opening an app whose place you know on the touch screen are more efficient with touch than with the braille display, simply because you can go right to the app and double tap it. No sequential arrowing to get there. None of these things are specific to the TBI-32, which is, in my opinion, an excellent display that works quite well with the iPhone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hello, I also have a braillant bi40 and would like to be able to use my iphone wiwhtout speech. Some things that you can do to make the process more efficient if you want to just use braille: use the spotlight feature (hit cmd-h from the home screen) to search for the app that you need. If you want to search for text within an app, for example safari but really any hap doubletap the screen three times and you will get the item choser with an edit field, if you want to cancel the item choser you have to use the command that emulates the home button (cmd-h). I am still experimenting with selecting/cutting or copying text while using a braille display which i believe would be a lot more efficient, at least for me, then doing it by using the touch screen. Things that are difficult or that you cant do (to my knowledge) by just using the braille display): If you are using a word processor and you have to leave the app and then go back to it then the vo focus within the document will be lost. This is not limited to braille display though. Double tap and hold is one of the gestures already mentioned that you cannot do, to my knowledge. Also, if you have a table index and you want to doubletap and hold and move up and down i dont know how to do this on a braille display. Furthermore if you have lists that you need to change by swiping up and down (for example to change a value in the standard iphone alarm clock) i dont know if you can do this. I have several apps that make use of this gesture and now have to go to the touchscreen and turn the speech on. If anyone has any more tips/suggestions to make more effective use of your iphone and just braille display this would be greatly appreciated Op 09/03/2013 19:13, Mary Otten schreef: Jim, I also have a TBI32 that is paired with a 4S and with an iPad 1st gen. You can do most, but not all things with braille, unless I'm missing something. You can't, for example, do the double tap hold from a braille display. If you can, please somebody let me know how. Also, and I suppose obviously, if you need to pair or repair the display, you need to interact with the touch screen and hear the speech output to accomplish that task. And some things, like opening an app whose place you know on the touch screen are more efficient with touch than with the braille display, simply because you can go right to the app and double tap it. No sequential arrowing to get there. None of these things are specific to the TBI-32, which is, in my opinion, an excellent display that works quite well with the iPhone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
