Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?
The bugs are still there. Updating is strictly up to you. If it weren't for new features like family-sharing, I wouldn't have upgraded. But, I see more Voiceover lockups and crashes with 8.1.1 and it hasn't really been corrected even up to 8.1.3 now. - Original Message - From: Eric Oyen To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:14 AM Subject: Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? I am still currently on 7.1.12. I didn't upgrade because of a couple of major bugs in iOS 8 involving voiceover and some of the apps. -eric On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hey Eric What is your current version? If it is ios7.12 I would rather wait updating, if it is already ios8 whatever version it is you 'd better upgrade then to the last version. Regards Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Eric Oyen Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:02 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? hello group, I have been reading around and it appears that there is a security flaw in previous versions of iOS (7 and 8 - versions up to 8.1.12). So, my question is this, should I finally upgrade my iPhone 5 to the new iOS? How many of the voiceover issues have been resolved? any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated. -eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?
I agree with Jonathan's thoughts in his blog post that Apple's commitment to accessibility is as strong as ever. I also believe that the move towards doing a public beta run is definitely good and given all the talk about how iOS 9 will be all about fixing bugs I am very hopeful that Apple is indeed serious about that. If so I am quite sure that Voiceover bugs will also get some attention. I still think, however, we should all send feedback to Apple via emails to Apple accessibility as well as by using the official Feedback link and maybe other channels like Tim Cook's Twitter feed to suggest that blind public beta testers maybe have a special channel to report bugs directly to the software engineers who are in charge of Voiceover. I think Apple could once again break new ground by making this possible and by showing they can act on serious bug reports quickly. Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? I haven't read the articles on this public beta yet, but it takes more than a public beta to squash bugs. There also has to be a commitment from Apple to put resources into fixing the reported bugs. As Sieghard says below, many of the bugs we're still seeing now in IOS 8 were reported during the beta, so it isn't an issue of Apple not knowing the bugs were out there. Given that this is a public beta and the blind community is so small, I'd also be concerned a bit that bugs just affecting the blind VoiceOver user might get drowned out by the bugs affecting so many other users. Obviously, fixing any bug will help all IOS users, including the blind, but Apple will need to continue to be committed to accessibility and fix VoiceOver bugs even if they only affect blind users. On 02/21/2015 11:03 AM, Devin Prater wrote: Well it all depends on if apple listens to the bug reports. If OS X Yosemite is one show of apples ability to listen, then voiceover will just have to wait until iOS 9.3 or so. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Devin, A number of bugs have been fixed, but there also still are some annoying ones which have been present ever since the first iOS 8 beta release which means they have been reported to Apple now for 9 months and still are not fixed. One of these is the fact that you can't move most apps in the bottom row of the home screen (the one above the dock). I believe there are alsos till issues with Safari and the back button on web pages and a number of issues for braille users. Apple has so far released 5 beta versions of iOS 8.2 and even though 8.2 is not even out yet to the public, iOS 8.3 Beta 1 has been released and 8.3 Beta 2 is expected next week. 8.3 Beta 1 seems to have fixed a few things, but other problems have been introduced so let's ope they get fixed soon. Jonathan has written an excellent article about the just announced iOS public beta program which 9to5Mac has written about and which is expected to start on March 11 with a public beta of iOS 8.3. This means I would expect that iOS 8.2 will be released publically before then, but who knows, maybe iOS 8.2 will never become a public release and Apple will stick with 8.1.3 until the publick release of 8.3. They are definitely doing things differently and in any case, the majority of the new features in the 8.2 beta are about the upcoming Apple Watch. Once again Jonathan has blogged about an article which states that while iOS 9 which will be announced in a little over 3 months during Apple's world wide developer conference will of course have some new features, but focus will be heavily about squashing bugs and on getting iOS to be what it used to be, a platform which is rock solid, secure and which works well without a lot of bugs. I think we do have good things to look forward to th is year and quite a few Voiceover users will most likely manage to be part of that group of 100,000 people who will get access to the iOS 8.3 and later iOS 9 public beta. Yes, I know people have already asked how they can register for that, but I think we just have to wait until Apple announces this officially and those who do want to participate better be on the ball since I doubt that once Apple does take registrations it will take long for the 100,000 spots to be filled. It would actually be nice if Apple set aside 1% or so of these spots specifically for Voiceover users maybe by registration via Apple Accessibility, but I doubt that will happen and we will just have to compete with everybody else.. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Saturday,
RE: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?
Yes, that would be a good idea, hope things will work out for the better for us and apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? I agree with Jonathan's thoughts in his blog post that Apple's commitment to accessibility is as strong as ever. I also believe that the move towards doing a public beta run is definitely good and given all the talk about how iOS 9 will be all about fixing bugs I am very hopeful that Apple is indeed serious about that. If so I am quite sure that Voiceover bugs will also get some attention. I still think, however, we should all send feedback to Apple via emails to Apple accessibility as well as by using the official Feedback link and maybe other channels like Tim Cook's Twitter feed to suggest that blind public beta testers maybe have a special channel to report bugs directly to the software engineers who are in charge of Voiceover. I think Apple could once again break new ground by making this possible and by showing they can act on serious bug reports quickly. Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? I haven't read the articles on this public beta yet, but it takes more than a public beta to squash bugs. There also has to be a commitment from Apple to put resources into fixing the reported bugs. As Sieghard says below, many of the bugs we're still seeing now in IOS 8 were reported during the beta, so it isn't an issue of Apple not knowing the bugs were out there. Given that this is a public beta and the blind community is so small, I'd also be concerned a bit that bugs just affecting the blind VoiceOver user might get drowned out by the bugs affecting so many other users. Obviously, fixing any bug will help all IOS users, including the blind, but Apple will need to continue to be committed to accessibility and fix VoiceOver bugs even if they only affect blind users. On 02/21/2015 11:03 AM, Devin Prater wrote: Well it all depends on if apple listens to the bug reports. If OS X Yosemite is one show of apples ability to listen, then voiceover will just have to wait until iOS 9.3 or so. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Devin, A number of bugs have been fixed, but there also still are some annoying ones which have been present ever since the first iOS 8 beta release which means they have been reported to Apple now for 9 months and still are not fixed. One of these is the fact that you can't move most apps in the bottom row of the home screen (the one above the dock). I believe there are alsos till issues with Safari and the back button on web pages and a number of issues for braille users. Apple has so far released 5 beta versions of iOS 8.2 and even though 8.2 is not even out yet to the public, iOS 8.3 Beta 1 has been released and 8.3 Beta 2 is expected next week. 8.3 Beta 1 seems to have fixed a few things, but other problems have been introduced so let's ope they get fixed soon. Jonathan has written an excellent article about the just announced iOS public beta program which 9to5Mac has written about and which is expected to start on March 11 with a public beta of iOS 8.3. This means I would expect that iOS 8.2 will be released publically before then, but who knows, maybe iOS 8.2 will never become a public release and Apple will stick with 8.1.3 until the publick release of 8.3. They are definitely doing things differently and in any case, the majority of the new features in the 8.2 beta are about the upcoming Apple Watch. Once again Jonathan has blogged about an article which states that while iOS 9 which will be announced in a little over 3 months during Apple's world wide developer conference will of course have some new features, but focus will be heavily about squashing bugs and on getting iOS to be what it used to be, a platform which is rock solid, secure and which works well without a lot of bugs. I think we do have good things to look forward to th is year and quite a few Voiceover users will most likely manage to be part of that group of 100,000 people who will get access to the iOS 8.3 and later iOS 9 public beta. Yes, I know people have already asked how they can register for that, but I think we just have to wait until Apple announces this officially and those who do want to participate better be on the ball since I doubt that once Apple does take registrations it will take long for the 100,000 spots to be filled. It would actually be nice if Apple set aside 1% or so
Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?
Yeah, forget about the stupid watch and get back to business instead of pushing that stupid watch all over the media. You know, I used my iPod 3rd generation the other day to play D W. It is iOS 6, still marvelous. Let's hope that Steve sends down some kick-butt inspiration to these guys to get things to where they used to be. Mary Anne On 2/21/2015 11:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Devin, A number of bugs have been fixed, but there also still are some annoying ones which have been present ever since the first iOS 8 beta release which means they have been reported to Apple now for 9 months and still are not fixed. One of these is the fact that you can't move most apps in the bottom row of the home screen (the one above the dock). I believe there are alsos till issues with Safari and the back button on web pages and a number of issues for braille users. Apple has so far released 5 beta versions of iOS 8.2 and even though 8.2 is not even out yet to the public, iOS 8.3 Beta 1 has been released and 8.3 Beta 2 is expected next week. 8.3 Beta 1 seems to have fixed a few things, but other problems have been introduced so let's ope they get fixed soon. Jonathan has written an excellent article about the just announced iOS public beta program which 9to5Mac has written about and which is expected to start on March 11 with a public beta of iOS 8.3. This means I would expect that iOS 8.2 will be released publically before then, but who knows, maybe iOS 8.2 will never become a public release and Apple will stick with 8.1.3 until the publick release of 8.3. They are definitely doing things differently and in any case, the majority of the new features in the 8.2 beta are about the upcoming Apple Watch. Once again Jonathan has blogged about an article which states that while iOS 9 which will be announced in a little over 3 months during Apple's world wide developer conference will of course have some new features, but focus will be heavily about squashing bugs and on getting iOS to be what it used to be, a platform which is rock solid, secure and which works well without a lot of bugs. I think we do have good things to look forward to this year and quite a few Voiceover users will most likely manage to be part of that group of 100,000 people who will get access to the iOS 8.3 and later iOS 9 public beta. Yes, I know people have already asked how they can register for that, but I think we just have to wait until Apple announces this officially and those who do want to participate better be on the ball since I doubt that once Apple does take registrations it will take long for the 100,000 spots to be filled. It would actually be nice if Apple set aside 1% or so of these spots specifically for Voiceover users maybe by registration via Apple Accessibility, but I doubt that will happen and we will just have to compete with everybody else.. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? I think most of the bugs have been exterminated. Besides that, I think Alex alone is worth upgrading for. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am still currently on 7.1.12. I didn't upgrade because of a couple of major bugs in iOS 8 involving voiceover and some of the apps. -eric On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hey Eric What is your current version? If it is ios7.12 I would rather wait updating, if it is already ios8 whatever version it is you 'd better upgrade then to the last version. Regards Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Eric Oyen Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:02 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? hello group, I have been reading around and it appears that there is a security flaw in previous versions of iOS (7 and 8 - versions up to 8.1.12). So, my question is this, should I finally upgrade my iPhone 5 to the new iOS? How many of the voiceover issues have been resolved? any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated. -eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this
Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?
I think most of the bugs have been exterminated. Besides that, I think Alex alone is worth upgrading for. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am still currently on 7.1.12. I didn't upgrade because of a couple of major bugs in iOS 8 involving voiceover and some of the apps. -eric On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hey Eric What is your current version? If it is ios7.12 I would rather wait updating, if it is already ios8 whatever version it is you 'd better upgrade then to the last version. Regards Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Eric Oyen Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:02 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? hello group, I have been reading around and it appears that there is a security flaw in previous versions of iOS (7 and 8 - versions up to 8.1.12). So, my question is this, should I finally upgrade my iPhone 5 to the new iOS? How many of the voiceover issues have been resolved? any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated. -eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?
Well it all depends on if apple listens to the bug reports. If OS X Yosemite is one show of apples ability to listen, then voiceover will just have to wait until iOS 9.3 or so. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Devin, A number of bugs have been fixed, but there also still are some annoying ones which have been present ever since the first iOS 8 beta release which means they have been reported to Apple now for 9 months and still are not fixed. One of these is the fact that you can't move most apps in the bottom row of the home screen (the one above the dock). I believe there are alsos till issues with Safari and the back button on web pages and a number of issues for braille users. Apple has so far released 5 beta versions of iOS 8.2 and even though 8.2 is not even out yet to the public, iOS 8.3 Beta 1 has been released and 8.3 Beta 2 is expected next week. 8.3 Beta 1 seems to have fixed a few things, but other problems have been introduced so let's ope they get fixed soon. Jonathan has written an excellent article about the just announced iOS public beta program which 9to5Mac has written about and which is expected to start on March 11 with a public beta of iOS 8.3. This means I would expect that iOS 8.2 will be released publically before then, but who knows, maybe iOS 8.2 will never become a public release and Apple will stick with 8.1.3 until the publick release of 8.3. They are definitely doing things differently and in any case, the majority of the new features in the 8.2 beta are about the upcoming Apple Watch. Once again Jonathan has blogged about an article which states that while iOS 9 which will be announced in a little over 3 months during Apple's world wide developer conference will of course have some new features, but focus will be heavily about squashing bugs and on getting iOS to be what it used to be, a platform which is rock solid, secure and which works well without a lot of bugs. I think we do have good things to look forward to this year and quite a few Voiceover users will most likely manage to be part of that group of 100,000 people who will get access to the iOS 8.3 and later iOS 9 public beta. Yes, I know people have already asked how they can register for that, but I think we just have to wait until Apple announces this officially and those who do want to participate better be on the ball since I doubt that once Apple does take registrations it will take long for the 100,000 spots to be filled. It would actually be nice if Apple set aside 1% or so of these spots specifically for Voiceover users maybe by registration via Apple Accessibility, but I doubt that will happen and we will just have to compete with everybody else.. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? I think most of the bugs have been exterminated. Besides that, I think Alex alone is worth upgrading for. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am still currently on 7.1.12. I didn't upgrade because of a couple of major bugs in iOS 8 involving voiceover and some of the apps. -eric On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hey Eric What is your current version? If it is ios7.12 I would rather wait updating, if it is already ios8 whatever version it is you 'd better upgrade then to the last version. Regards Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Eric Oyen Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:02 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? hello group, I have been reading around and it appears that there is a security flaw in previous versions of iOS (7 and 8 - versions up to 8.1.12). So, my question is this, should I finally upgrade my iPhone 5 to the new iOS? How many of the voiceover issues have been resolved? any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated. -eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email
RE: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?
Hi Sieghard , I wish! They owe it to us. We bought a quality product we expect what you so well said but focus will be heavily about squashing bugs and on getting iOS to be what it used to be, a platform which is rock solid, secure and which works well Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 11:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? Hi Devin, A number of bugs have been fixed, but there also still are some annoying ones which have been present ever since the first iOS 8 beta release which means they have been reported to Apple now for 9 months and still are not fixed. One of these is the fact that you can't move most apps in the bottom row of the home screen (the one above the dock). I believe there are alsos till issues with Safari and the back button on web pages and a number of issues for braille users. Apple has so far released 5 beta versions of iOS 8.2 and even though 8.2 is not even out yet to the public, iOS 8.3 Beta 1 has been released and 8.3 Beta 2 is expected next week. 8.3 Beta 1 seems to have fixed a few things, but other problems have been introduced so let's ope they get fixed soon. Jonathan has written an excellent article about the just announced iOS public beta program which 9to5Mac has written about and which is expected to start on March 11 with a public beta of iOS 8.3. This means I would expect that iOS 8.2 will be released publically before then, but who knows, maybe iOS 8.2 will never become a public release and Apple will stick with 8.1.3 until the publick release of 8.3. They are definitely doing things differently and in any case, the majority of the new features in the 8.2 beta are about the upcoming Apple Watch. Once again Jonathan has blogged about an article which states that while iOS 9 which will be announced in a little over 3 months during Apple's world wide developer conference will of course have some new features, but focus will be heavily about squashing bugs and on getting iOS to be what it used to be, a platform which is rock solid, secure and which works well without a lot of bugs. I think we do have good things to look forward to this year and quite a few Voiceover users will most likely manage to be part of that group of 100,000 people who will get access to the iOS 8.3 and later iOS 9 public beta. Yes, I know people have already asked how they can register for that, but I think we just have to wait until Apple announces this officially and those who do want to participate better be on the ball since I doubt that once Apple does take registrations it will take long for the 100,000 spots to be filled. It would actually be nice if Apple set aside 1% or so of these spots specifically for Voiceover users maybe by registration via Apple Accessibility, but I doubt that will happen and we will just have to compete with everybody else.. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? I think most of the bugs have been exterminated. Besides that, I think Alex alone is worth upgrading for. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am still currently on 7.1.12. I didn't upgrade because of a couple of major bugs in iOS 8 involving voiceover and some of the apps. -eric On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hey Eric What is your current version? If it is ios7.12 I would rather wait updating, if it is already ios8 whatever version it is you 'd better upgrade then to the last version. Regards Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Eric Oyen Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:02 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? hello group, I have been reading around and it appears that there is a security flaw in previous versions of iOS (7 and 8 - versions up to 8.1.12). So, my question is this, should I finally upgrade my iPhone 5 to the new iOS? How many of the voiceover issues have been resolved? any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated. -eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?
I haven't read the articles on this public beta yet, but it takes more than a public beta to squash bugs. There also has to be a commitment from Apple to put resources into fixing the reported bugs. As Sieghard says below, many of the bugs we're still seeing now in IOS 8 were reported during the beta, so it isn't an issue of Apple not knowing the bugs were out there. Given that this is a public beta and the blind community is so small, I'd also be concerned a bit that bugs just affecting the blind VoiceOver user might get drowned out by the bugs affecting so many other users. Obviously, fixing any bug will help all IOS users, including the blind, but Apple will need to continue to be committed to accessibility and fix VoiceOver bugs even if they only affect blind users. On 02/21/2015 11:03 AM, Devin Prater wrote: Well it all depends on if apple listens to the bug reports. If OS X Yosemite is one show of apples ability to listen, then voiceover will just have to wait until iOS 9.3 or so. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Devin, A number of bugs have been fixed, but there also still are some annoying ones which have been present ever since the first iOS 8 beta release which means they have been reported to Apple now for 9 months and still are not fixed. One of these is the fact that you can't move most apps in the bottom row of the home screen (the one above the dock). I believe there are alsos till issues with Safari and the back button on web pages and a number of issues for braille users. Apple has so far released 5 beta versions of iOS 8.2 and even though 8.2 is not even out yet to the public, iOS 8.3 Beta 1 has been released and 8.3 Beta 2 is expected next week. 8.3 Beta 1 seems to have fixed a few things, but other problems have been introduced so let's ope they get fixed soon. Jonathan has written an excellent article about the just announced iOS public beta program which 9to5Mac has written about and which is expected to start on March 11 with a public beta of iOS 8.3. This means I would expect that iOS 8.2 will be released publically before then, but who knows, maybe iOS 8.2 will never become a public release and Apple will stick with 8.1.3 until the publick release of 8.3. They are definitely doing things differently and in any case, the majority of the new features in the 8.2 beta are about the upcoming Apple Watch. Once again Jonathan has blogged about an article which states that while iOS 9 which will be announced in a little over 3 months during Apple's world wide developer conference will of course have some new features, but focus will be heavily about squashing bugs and on getting iOS to be what it used to be, a platform which is rock solid, secure and which works well without a lot of bugs. I think we do have good things to look forward to th is year and quite a few Voiceover users will most likely manage to be part of that group of 100,000 people who will get access to the iOS 8.3 and later iOS 9 public beta. Yes, I know people have already asked how they can register for that, but I think we just have to wait until Apple announces this officially and those who do want to participate better be on the ball since I doubt that once Apple does take registrations it will take long for the 100,000 spots to be filled. It would actually be nice if Apple set aside 1% or so of these spots specifically for Voiceover users maybe by registration via Apple Accessibility, but I doubt that will happen and we will just have to compete with everybody else.. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? I think most of the bugs have been exterminated. Besides that, I think Alex alone is worth upgrading for. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am still currently on 7.1.12. I didn't upgrade because of a couple of major bugs in iOS 8 involving voiceover and some of the apps. -eric On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hey Eric What is your current version? If it is ios7.12 I would rather wait updating, if it is already ios8 whatever version it is you 'd better upgrade then to the last version. Regards Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Eric Oyen Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:02 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? hello group, I have been reading around and it appears that there is a security flaw in previous versions of iOS (7 and 8 - versions up to 8.1.12). So, my question is this, should I finally upgrade my iPhone 5 to the new iOS? How many of the voiceover issues have been resolved? any answers to these questions would
RE: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?
Hi Devin, A number of bugs have been fixed, but there also still are some annoying ones which have been present ever since the first iOS 8 beta release which means they have been reported to Apple now for 9 months and still are not fixed. One of these is the fact that you can't move most apps in the bottom row of the home screen (the one above the dock). I believe there are alsos till issues with Safari and the back button on web pages and a number of issues for braille users. Apple has so far released 5 beta versions of iOS 8.2 and even though 8.2 is not even out yet to the public, iOS 8.3 Beta 1 has been released and 8.3 Beta 2 is expected next week. 8.3 Beta 1 seems to have fixed a few things, but other problems have been introduced so let's ope they get fixed soon. Jonathan has written an excellent article about the just announced iOS public beta program which 9to5Mac has written about and which is expected to start on March 11 with a public beta of iOS 8.3. This means I would expect that iOS 8.2 will be released publically before then, but who knows, maybe iOS 8.2 will never become a public release and Apple will stick with 8.1.3 until the publick release of 8.3. They are definitely doing things differently and in any case, the majority of the new features in the 8.2 beta are about the upcoming Apple Watch. Once again Jonathan has blogged about an article which states that while iOS 9 which will be announced in a little over 3 months during Apple's world wide developer conference will of course have some new features, but focus will be heavily about squashing bugs and on getting iOS to be what it used to be, a platform which is rock solid, secure and which works well without a lot of bugs. I think we do have good things to look forward to this year and quite a few Voiceover users will most likely manage to be part of that group of 100,000 people who will get access to the iOS 8.3 and later iOS 9 public beta. Yes, I know people have already asked how they can register for that, but I think we just have to wait until Apple announces this officially and those who do want to participate better be on the ball since I doubt that once Apple does take registrations it will take long for the 100,000 spots to be filled. It would actually be nice if Apple set aside 1% or so of these spots specifically for Voiceover users maybe by registration via Apple Accessibility, but I doubt that will happen and we will just have to compete with everybody else.. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? I think most of the bugs have been exterminated. Besides that, I think Alex alone is worth upgrading for. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am still currently on 7.1.12. I didn't upgrade because of a couple of major bugs in iOS 8 involving voiceover and some of the apps. -eric On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hey Eric What is your current version? If it is ios7.12 I would rather wait updating, if it is already ios8 whatever version it is you 'd better upgrade then to the last version. Regards Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Eric Oyen Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:02 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? hello group, I have been reading around and it appears that there is a security flaw in previous versions of iOS (7 and 8 - versions up to 8.1.12). So, my question is this, should I finally upgrade my iPhone 5 to the new iOS? How many of the voiceover issues have been resolved? any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated. -eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or
Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?
I am still currently on 7.1.12. I didn't upgrade because of a couple of major bugs in iOS 8 involving voiceover and some of the apps. -eric On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hey Eric What is your current version? If it is ios7.12 I would rather wait updating, if it is already ios8 whatever version it is you 'd better upgrade then to the last version. Regards Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Eric Oyen Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:02 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? hello group, I have been reading around and it appears that there is a security flaw in previous versions of iOS (7 and 8 - versions up to 8.1.12). So, my question is this, should I finally upgrade my iPhone 5 to the new iOS? How many of the voiceover issues have been resolved? any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated. -eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?
Hey Eric What is your current version? If it is ios7.12 I would rather wait updating, if it is already ios8 whatever version it is you 'd better upgrade then to the last version. Regards Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Eric Oyen Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:02 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? hello group, I have been reading around and it appears that there is a security flaw in previous versions of iOS (7 and 8 - versions up to 8.1.12). So, my question is this, should I finally upgrade my iPhone 5 to the new iOS? How many of the voiceover issues have been resolved? any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated. -eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?
Only 1 percent? I'd prefer 5. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:48 AM Subject: RE: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? Hi Devin, A number of bugs have been fixed, but there also still are some annoying ones which have been present ever since the first iOS 8 beta release which means they have been reported to Apple now for 9 months and still are not fixed. One of these is the fact that you can't move most apps in the bottom row of the home screen (the one above the dock). I believe there are alsos till issues with Safari and the back button on web pages and a number of issues for braille users. Apple has so far released 5 beta versions of iOS 8.2 and even though 8.2 is not even out yet to the public, iOS 8.3 Beta 1 has been released and 8.3 Beta 2 is expected next week. 8.3 Beta 1 seems to have fixed a few things, but other problems have been introduced so let's ope they get fixed soon. Jonathan has written an excellent article about the just announced iOS public beta program which 9to5Mac has written about and which is expected to start on March 11 with a public beta of iOS 8.3. This means I would expect that iOS 8.2 will be released publically before then, but who knows, maybe iOS 8.2 will never become a public release and Apple will stick with 8.1.3 until the publick release of 8.3. They are definitely doing things differently and in any case, the majority of the new features in the 8.2 beta are about the upcoming Apple Watch. Once again Jonathan has blogged about an article which states that while iOS 9 which will be announced in a little over 3 months during Apple's world wide developer conference will of course have some new features, but focus will be heavily about squashing bugs and on getting iOS to be what it used to be, a platform which is rock solid, secure and which works well without a lot of bugs. I think we do have good things to look forward to this year and quite a few Voiceover users will most likely manage to be part of that group of 100,000 people who will get access to the iOS 8.3 and later iOS 9 public beta. Yes, I know people have already asked how they can register for that, but I think we just have to wait until Apple announces this officially and those who do want to participate better be on the ball since I doubt that once Apple does take registrations it will take long for the 100,000 spots to be filled. It would actually be nice if Apple set aside 1% or so of these spots specifically for Voiceover users maybe by registration via Apple Accessibility, but I doubt that will happen and we will just have to compete with everybody else.. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? I think most of the bugs have been exterminated. Besides that, I think Alex alone is worth upgrading for. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am still currently on 7.1.12. I didn't upgrade because of a couple of major bugs in iOS 8 involving voiceover and some of the apps. -eric On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hey Eric What is your current version? If it is ios7.12 I would rather wait updating, if it is already ios8 whatever version it is you 'd better upgrade then to the last version. Regards Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Eric Oyen Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:02 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable? hello group, I have been reading around and it appears that there is a security flaw in previous versions of iOS (7 and 8 - versions up to 8.1.12). So, my question is this, should I finally upgrade my iPhone 5 to the new iOS? How many of the voiceover issues have been resolved? any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated. -eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
