Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Maybe, but you did say we all have the right to comment on the price, and I'm just saying, although you have that right, that doesn't mean I care what you or anyone else thinks about the price of an app. Besides, although your message was the last in the thread, I wasn't necessarily replying to you directly. If you read the thread, you will see that the comment is made that the app is overpriced. On 06/01/2015 08:29 PM, Brett wrote: So if you read my original message, according to your comments below, you have nothing to complain about. Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone On 2 Jun 2015, at 10:03 am, Christopher Chaltain wrote: True, people can comment on the price of an app all they want, but for me, whether it's a main stream app or a blindness specific app, I'm not interested in whether others think it's over priced or not. No one else's situation is the same as mine. If people want to compare it to other apps and talk about what you get for your money with these different options then I'm interested, but I just don't find any value in hearing people talk about whether they think an app is overpriced or not or whether they can afford it themselves or not. On 06/01/2015 04:44 PM, Brett wrote: Hi Ron, Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump on their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app. Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an informed choice. Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he makes it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also occurs with mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a blindness specific app, it should be treated differently. Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently there is nothing as accurate or especially as quick. Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca>> wrote: Hi *Brett,* ** As you so well explained, people have choices. If they want the MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy it like you did. Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and have free options. That’s the best situation possible. I don’t think a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t afford the product. A person evaluates his/her product, decide how much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it and those of us who can’t afford it have choices. I don’t believe in stating that an app is over-priced. It is what it is and we can buy it or leave it. The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us who wanted it paid for it and are using it. Those of who couldn’t afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life. I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because. I do understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the developpers problem, its ours to deal with. Just an opinion Ron & Danvers *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett *Sent:* Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *Subject:* RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, Here is just my opinion. I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: 1.You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. 2.If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 3.When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. ** *Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go
Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
So if you read my original message, according to your comments below, you have nothing to complain about. Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone > On 2 Jun 2015, at 10:03 am, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > True, people can comment on the price of an app all they want, but for me, > whether it's a main stream app or a blindness specific app, I'm not > interested in whether others think it's over priced or not. No one else's > situation is the same as mine. If people want to compare it to other apps and > talk about what you get for your money with these different options then I'm > interested, but I just don't find any value in hearing people talk about > whether they think an app is overpriced or not or whether they can afford it > themselves or not. > >> On 06/01/2015 04:44 PM, Brett wrote: >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump >> on their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app. >> >> Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute >> something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an >> informed choice. >> >> Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he >> makes it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also >> occurs with mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a >> blindness specific app, it should be treated differently. >> >> Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently >> there is nothing as accurate or especially as quick. >> >> Cheers, >> Brett. >> >> >> Sent from Brett's iPhone >> >> On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier > <mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca>> wrote: >> >>> Hi *Brett,* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> As you so well explained, people have choices. If they want the >>> MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy >>> it like you did. Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and >>> have free options. That’s the best situation possible. I don’t think >>> a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t >>> afford the product. A person evaluates his/her product, decide how >>> much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it >>> and those of us who can’t afford it have choices. I don’t believe in >>> stating that an app is over-priced. It is what it is and we can buy >>> it or leave it. The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us >>> who wanted it paid for it and are using it. Those of who couldn’t >>> afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life. >>> >>> I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to >>> work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because. I do >>> understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the >>> developpers problem, its ours to deal with. >>> >>> Just an opinion >>> >>> Ron & Danvers >>> >>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett >>> *Sent:* Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM >>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> *Subject:* RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille >>> as a third-party keyboard >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Here is just my opinion. >>> >>> I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I >>> think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a >>> bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and >>> there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards >>> include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which >>> MBraille doesn’t. >>> >>> There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: >>> >>> 1.You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With >>> iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the >>> message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. >>> >>> 2.If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate >>> to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you >>> don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a rea
Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
You hold a finger on tdot 6 and swipe right with another finger then lift the one on dot 6. > On Jun 1, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Ron Pelletier wrote: > > Richard, > > Where do you turn on the direct input? > > Thanks in advance > > Ron & Danvers > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 4:43 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a > third-party keyboard > > Hi Krister, > Direct input means that the words you are writing are passed through to the > app immediately. > If direct input is off, then the words are put into the mBraille buffer and > are not released to the app until you dismiss the mBraille keyboard. > I would say in most cases, direct input is the way to go. > There is an echo difference that I am not quite sure of yet. > But my default is to use direct input. > Then, because of some oddities, I always switch back to the native keyboard > with a three finger swipe to the right. > Odd things still happen when dismissing the mBraille keyboard with a three > finger swipe to the left. One thing about that I don't like is that the next > time you go to edit something, mBraille comes up automatically. > That doesn't work very well for me when putting in an email address. > Later, Richard > > > > > > On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Hi and thanks for that. As a matter of fact, i think i’ll take you up on the > offer at once, and i start with a really newbyish one, what’s ”direct input”? > It’s obviously there for a reason, only i don’t know quite what. > /Krister > > 1 jun 2015 kl. 15:04 skrev Richard Turner : > > Krister, > Feel free to ask about the situations you are interested in. > I, and certainly lots of others, will be glad to addresss your questions. > Of course, ultimately, the only way to find out how it works in practice is > to buy it. > But, I'll be glad to try to answer your questions. > Richard > > > > > On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I > only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that > were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then > again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the > shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to > purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I > would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. > /Krister > > 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner : > > Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues > with the price. > On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few > things and dropped the early products. > I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app > has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, > though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. > He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to > do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than > expected. > But, it works well in most cases. > I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or > replying to text messages just fine. > Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy > the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and > Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. > Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. > You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the "Full Version" for > $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. > Sory I only know the US prices. > Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged > less? I have no idea. > I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he > has done. > But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other > attempt at a braille entry system. > JMO, > Richard > > > > > On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it > since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or > not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get > for the amount i paid,
Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
True, people can comment on the price of an app all they want, but for me, whether it's a main stream app or a blindness specific app, I'm not interested in whether others think it's over priced or not. No one else's situation is the same as mine. If people want to compare it to other apps and talk about what you get for your money with these different options then I'm interested, but I just don't find any value in hearing people talk about whether they think an app is overpriced or not or whether they can afford it themselves or not. On 06/01/2015 04:44 PM, Brett wrote: Hi Ron, Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump on their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app. Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an informed choice. Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he makes it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also occurs with mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a blindness specific app, it should be treated differently. Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently there is nothing as accurate or especially as quick. Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca>> wrote: Hi *Brett,* ** As you so well explained, people have choices. If they want the MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy it like you did. Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and have free options. That’s the best situation possible. I don’t think a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t afford the product. A person evaluates his/her product, decide how much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it and those of us who can’t afford it have choices. I don’t believe in stating that an app is over-priced. It is what it is and we can buy it or leave it. The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us who wanted it paid for it and are using it. Those of who couldn’t afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life. I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because. I do understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the developpers problem, its ours to deal with. Just an opinion Ron & Danvers *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett *Sent:* Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *Subject:* RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, Here is just my opinion. I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: 1.You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. 2.If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 3.When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. ** *Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the MBraille one. * ** *Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision.* ** *Cheers,* *Brett.* ** ** *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Krister Ekstro
RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Richard, Where do you turn on the direct input? Thanks in advance Ron & Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 4:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi Krister, Direct input means that the words you are writing are passed through to the app immediately. If direct input is off, then the words are put into the mBraille buffer and are not released to the app until you dismiss the mBraille keyboard. I would say in most cases, direct input is the way to go. There is an echo difference that I am not quite sure of yet. But my default is to use direct input. Then, because of some oddities, I always switch back to the native keyboard with a three finger swipe to the right. Odd things still happen when dismissing the mBraille keyboard with a three finger swipe to the left. One thing about that I don't like is that the next time you go to edit something, mBraille comes up automatically. That doesn't work very well for me when putting in an email address. Later, Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com> > wrote: Hi and thanks for that. As a matter of fact, i think i’ll take you up on the offer at once, and i start with a really newbyish one, what’s ”direct input”? It’s obviously there for a reason, only i don’t know quite what. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 15:04 skrev Richard Turner mailto:rich...@turner42.com> >: Krister, Feel free to ask about the situations you are interested in. I, and certainly lots of others, will be glad to addresss your questions. Of course, ultimately, the only way to find out how it works in practice is to buy it. But, I'll be glad to try to answer your questions. Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com> > wrote: Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner mailto:rich...@turner42.com> >: Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with the price. On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few things and dropped the early products. I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected. But, it works well in most cases. I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or replying to text messages just fine. Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the "Full Version" for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. Sory I only know the US prices. Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged less? I have no idea. I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he has done. But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other attempt at a braille entry system. JMO, Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com> > wrote: Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in order to get the third party keyboard support? /Krister 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner mailto:rich...@turner42.com> >: Yes it is. Are you using the Away mode layout? When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and then be able to start writing. Maybe
Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Hi Cheryl, Great, thanks for that. I tried the dot 5 6 prefix, but never thought of the dot 2 prefix. I guess I am showing my age. "( Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone > On 2 Jun 2015, at 12:02 am, Cheryl Lenartiene > wrote: > > In the native iOS Braille input, to write a period in the middle of a string > of characters, such as an e-mail address, type dot 4 followed by dots 4 6. > Cheryl > > Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; > for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. > 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:29 AM, Brett wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Here is just my opinion. >> >> I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think >> the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given >> that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no >> initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word >> prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. >> >> There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: >> 1. You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. >> With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the >> message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. >> 2. If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate >> to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t >> have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input >> yet. >> 3. When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I >> have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do >> a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You >> don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way >> to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. >> >> Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the >> extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave >> it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its >> overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party >> keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available and if you don’t want >> to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to >> it every time you want to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring >> up the iOS braille keyboard than the MBraille one. >> >> Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision. >> >> Cheers, >> Brett. >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Krister Ekstrom >> Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a >> third-party keyboard >> >> Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. >> I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives >> that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but >> then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the >> shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to >> purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. >> I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain >> situations. >> /Krister >> >> 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner : >> >> Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues >> with the price. >> On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few >> things and dropped the early products. >> I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app >> has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, >> though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. >> He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to >> do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than >> expected. >> But, it works well in most cases. >> I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or >> replying to text messages just fine. >> Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy >> the
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Hi Ron, Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump on their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app. Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an informed choice. Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he makes it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also occurs with mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a blindness specific app, it should be treated differently. Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently there is nothing as accurate or especially as quick. Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone > On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier wrote: > > Hi Brett, > > As you so well explained, people have choices. If they want the MBraille, > it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy it like you did. > Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and have free options. That’s > the best situation possible. I don’t think a developer has to work for very > little just because some of us can’t afford the product. A person evaluates > his/her product, decide how much they want to charge for it and, those of us > who want pay for it and those of us who can’t afford it have choices. I > don’t believe in stating that an app is over-priced. It is what it is and we > can buy it or leave it. The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us > who wanted it paid for it and are using it. Those of who couldn’t afford it > are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life. > > I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to work for > us for nothing or almost nothing just because. I do understand that many of > us are unemployed but that is not the developpers problem, its ours to deal > with. > > Just an opinion > > Ron & Danvers > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Brett > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a > third-party keyboard > > Hi, > > Here is just my opinion. > > I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think > the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that > other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial > purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and > spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. > > There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: > 1. You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With > iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. > You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. > 2. If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate > to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t > have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input > yet. > 3. When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I > have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do > a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You > don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way > to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. > > Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra > money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go > to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as > you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, > spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first > in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want > to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille > keyboard than the MBraille one. > > Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision. > > Cheers, > Brett. > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Krister Ekstrom > Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a > third-party keyboard > > Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I > only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that > were unclear, and there are many fea
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at >>>>> he has done. >>>>> But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any >>>>> other attempt at a braille entry system. >>>>> JMO, >>>>> Richard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much >>>>>> about it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied >>>>>> with it or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t >>>>>> know what i get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when >>>>>> it came to what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do >>>>>> you have to pay more in order to get the third party keyboard support? >>>>>> /Krister >>>>>> >>>>>>> 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes it is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you using the Away mode layout? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille >>>>>>> spoken and then be able to start writing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. >>>>>>> Do you have direct input on or off? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Richard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, >>>>>>> but what they become by it." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - John Ruskin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM >>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Richard, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. >>>>>>> It cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At >>>>>>> that price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM >>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. >>>>>>> If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille >>>>>>> at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get >>>>>>> both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. >>>>>>> It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I >>>>>>> have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard >>>>>>> keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a >>>>>>> bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. >>>>>>> Richard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use >>>>>>>> mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on >>>>>>>> an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version >>>>>>>> of the app. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I >>>>>>>> access fun
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ount i paid, at least i got very confused when it >>>>> came to what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you >>>>> have to pay more in order to get the third party keyboard support? >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>>>> 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner : >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes it is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you using the Away mode layout? >>>>>> >>>>>> When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille >>>>>> spoken and then be able to start writing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. >>>>>> Do you have direct input on or off? >>>>>> >>>>>> Richard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but >>>>>> what they become by it." >>>>>> >>>>>> - John Ruskin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard >>>>>> >>>>>> Richard, >>>>>> >>>>>> I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. >>>>>> It cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At >>>>>> that price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. >>>>>> If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille >>>>>> at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get >>>>>> both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. >>>>>> It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have >>>>>> tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard >>>>>> with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if >>>>>> I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. >>>>>> Richard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use >>>>>>> mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on >>>>>>> an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version >>>>>>> of the app. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I >>>>>>> access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open >>>>>>> messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the >>>>>>> keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the >>>>>>> braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is >>>>>>> inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping >>>>>>> right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can >>>>>>> find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I >>>>>>> open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works >>>>>>> as expected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to >>>>>>> summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as >>>>>>>
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Hi Brett, As you so well explained, people have choices. If they want the MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy it like you did. Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and have free options. That’s the best situation possible. I don’t think a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t afford the product. A person evaluates his/her product, decide how much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it and those of us who can’t afford it have choices. I don’t believe in stating that an app is over-priced. It is what it is and we can buy it or leave it. The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us who wanted it paid for it and are using it. Those of who couldn’t afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life. I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because. I do understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the developpers problem, its ours to deal with. Just an opinion Ron & Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brett Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, Here is just my opinion. I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: 1. You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. 2. If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 3. When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the MBraille one. Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision. Cheers, Brett. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner mailto:rich...@turner42.com> >: Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with the price. On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few things and dropped the early products. I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected. But, it works well in most cases. I do not know what is causing
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In the native iOS Braille input, to write a period in the middle of a string of characters, such as an e-mail address, type dot 4 followed by dots 4 6. Cheryl Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:29 AM, Brett wrote: > > Hi, > > Here is just my opinion. > > I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think > the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that > other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial > purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and > spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. > > There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: > 1. You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With > iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. > You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. > 2. If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate > to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t > have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input > yet. > 3. When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I > have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do > a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You > don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way > to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. > > Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra > money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go > to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as > you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, > spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first > in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want > to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille > keyboard than the MBraille one. > > Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision. > > Cheers, > Brett. > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Krister Ekstrom > Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a > third-party keyboard > > Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I > only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that > were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then > again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the > shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to > purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I > would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. > /Krister > > 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner : > > Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues > with the price. > On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few > things and dropped the early products. > I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app > has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, > though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. > He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to > do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than > expected. > But, it works well in most cases. > I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or > replying to text messages just fine. > Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy > the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and > Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. > Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. > You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the "Full Version" for > $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. > Sory I only know the US prices. > Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged > less? I have no idea. > I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he > has done. > But, I do know that
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Hi and thanks for that. As a matter of fact, i think i’ll take you up on the offer at once, and i start with a really newbyish one, what’s ”direct input”? It’s obviously there for a reason, only i don’t know quite what. /Krister > 1 jun 2015 kl. 15:04 skrev Richard Turner : > > Krister, > Feel free to ask about the situations you are interested in. > I, and certainly lots of others, will be glad to addresss your questions. > Of course, ultimately, the only way to find out how it works in practice is > to buy it. > But, I'll be glad to try to answer your questions. > Richard > > > > > On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote: > >> Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. >> I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives >> that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but >> then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the >> shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to >> purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. >> I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain >> situations. >> /Krister >> >>> 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner >> <mailto:rich...@turner42.com>>: >>> >>> Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues >>> with the price. >>> On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few >>> things and dropped the early products. >>> I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app >>> has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, >>> though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. >>> He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to >>> do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than >>> expected. >>> But, it works well in most cases. >>> I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating >>> or replying to text messages just fine. >>> Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy >>> the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard >>> and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. >>> Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. >>> You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the "Full Version" >>> for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. >>> Sory I only know the US prices. >>> Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and >>> charged less? I have no idea. >>> I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he >>> has done. >>> But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other >>> attempt at a braille entry system. >>> JMO, >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom >> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about >>>> it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it >>>> or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i >>>> get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to >>>> what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to >>>> pay more in order to get the third party keyboard support? >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>>> 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner >>>> <mailto:rich...@turner42.com>>: >>>>> >>>>> <>Yes it is. >>>>> >>>>> Are you using the Away mode layout? >>>>> >>>>> When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken >>>>> and then be able to start writing. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. >>>>> Do you have direct input on or off? >>>>> >>>>> Richard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but >>>>> what they become by it." >
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Krister, Feel free to ask about the situations you are interested in. I, and certainly lots of others, will be glad to addresss your questions. Of course, ultimately, the only way to find out how it works in practice is to buy it. But, I'll be glad to try to answer your questions. Richard > On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I > only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that > were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then > again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the > shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to > purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I > would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. > /Krister > >> 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner : >> >> Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues >> with the price. >> On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few >> things and dropped the early products. >> I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app >> has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, >> though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. >> He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to >> do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than >> expected. >> But, it works well in most cases. >> I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or >> replying to text messages just fine. >> Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy >> the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard >> and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. >> Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. >> You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the "Full Version" >> for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. >> Sory I only know the US prices. >> Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged >> less? I have no idea. >> I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he >> has done. >> But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other >> attempt at a braille entry system. >> JMO, >> Richard >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about >>> it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it >>> or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i >>> get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to >>> what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay >>> more in order to get the third party keyboard support? >>> /Krister >>> >>>> 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner : >>>> >>>> Yes it is. >>>> >>>> Are you using the Away mode layout? >>>> >>>> When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken >>>> and then be able to start writing. >>>> >>>> Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. >>>> Do you have direct input on or off? >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> >>>> >>>> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but >>>> what they become by it." >>>> >>>> - John Ruskin >>>> >>>> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>>> Of Michelle McQuigge >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard >>>> >>>> Richard, >>>> >>>> I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It >>>> cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that >>>> price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? >>>> >>>> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.
RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Hi, Here is just my opinion. I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: 1. You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. 2. If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 3. When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the MBraille one. Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision. Cheers, Brett. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner mailto:rich...@turner42.com> >: Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with the price. On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few things and dropped the early products. I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected. But, it works well in most cases. I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or replying to text messages just fine. Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the "Full Version" for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. Sory I only know the US prices. Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged less? I have no idea. I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he has done. But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other attempt at a braille entry system. JMO, Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com> > wrote: Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in order to get the third party keyboard support? /Krister 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner mailto:rich...@turner42.co
Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. /Krister > 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner : > > Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues > with the price. > On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few > things and dropped the early products. > I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app > has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, > though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. > He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to > do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than > expected. > But, it works well in most cases. > I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or > replying to text messages just fine. > Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy > the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and > Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. > Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. > You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the "Full Version" for > $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. > Sory I only know the US prices. > Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged > less? I have no idea. > I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he > has done. > But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other > attempt at a braille entry system. > JMO, > Richard > > > > > On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote: > >> Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it >> since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or >> not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get >> for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i >> got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in >> order to get the third party keyboard support? >> /Krister >> >>> 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner >> <mailto:rich...@turner42.com>>: >>> >>> <>Yes it is. >>> >>> Are you using the Away mode layout? >>> >>> When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken >>> and then be able to start writing. >>> >>> Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. >>> Do you have direct input on or off? >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but >>> what they become by it." >>> >>> - John Ruskin >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On >>> Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge >>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard >>> >>> Richard, >>> >>> I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It >>> cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that >>> price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On >>> Behalf Of Richard Turner >>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard >>> >>> If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. >>> If you only paid $29.99 you don't have
Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with the price. On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few things and dropped the early products. I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected. But, it works well in most cases. I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or replying to text messages just fine. Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the "Full Version" for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. Sory I only know the US prices. Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged less? I have no idea. I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he has done. But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other attempt at a braille entry system. JMO, Richard > On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it > since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or > not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get > for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i > got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in > order to get the third party keyboard support? > /Krister > >> 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner : >> >> Yes it is. >> >> Are you using the Away mode layout? >> >> When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken >> and then be able to start writing. >> >> Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. >> Do you have direct input on or off? >> >> Richard >> >> >> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but >> what they become by it." >> >> - John Ruskin >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Michelle McQuigge >> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard >> >> Richard, >> >> I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It >> cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that >> price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Richard Turner >> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard >> >> If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. >> If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at >> $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both >> Dropbox and third party keyboard support. >> It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have >> tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a >> three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just >> dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. >> Richard >> >> >>> On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use >>> mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an >>> iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the >>> app. >>> >>> I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I >>> access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in >>> order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, >>> basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter >>> what I
Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in order to get the third party keyboard support? /Krister > 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner : > > <>Yes it is. > > Are you using the Away mode layout? > > When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and > then be able to start writing. > > Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. > Do you have direct input on or off? > > Richard > > > "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what > they become by it." > > - John Ruskin > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Michelle McQuigge > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard > > Richard, > > I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It > cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that > price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard > > If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. > If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at > $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both > Dropbox and third party keyboard support. > It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have > tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a > three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just > dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. > Richard > > > On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge <mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use >> mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an >> iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the >> app. >> >> I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access >> functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order >> to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically >> nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. >> It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the >> dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only >> button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. >> If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works >> as expected. >> >> Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon >> mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to >> going through mBraille itself first? >> >> If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to >> address the problem, I'd be really grateful. >> >> Thanks, >> Michelle >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >> directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list >> can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/>. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. >>
RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Hi Richard, I have the same problem with the 3 finger swipe left and have reported to the developer but no fix yet even if there has been an update since I reported it. I guess it might be in the next update. Ron & Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to going through mBraille itself first? If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address the problem, I'd be really grateful. Thanks, Michelle -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To
Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
I thinkthere are two more things to try. First, is the orientation locked? If not, try locking orientation. The other thing is try going into Email and start a message, using mbraille as the third party keyboard, turn direct input off, then without doing anything else, hit your home button andmessages and either compose a new one or better, reply to one. My guess is you will find that mBraille is the active keyboard and when you start writing you will hear what you type, depending on ymbraille speech settings anuway. Direct input seems to behave differently in messages. HTH, Richard > On May 31, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Michelle McQuigge > wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > Yes, I am using away mode, and indeed voiceover does say mBraille as soon as > I select the keyboard from within some other app. However when I go to type, > nothing happens. I hear clicks when I touch certain parts of the screen, but > when I try to enter braille characters, there’s no response from mBraille. In > fact on two occasions voiceover has interpreted my efforts to type as a > three-finger double tap and muted the speech. :p Doing a three-finger swipe > also doesn’t get me back to the keyboard. I can do that by holding the phone > back in portrait mode and flicking right once. > > This, of course, is what happens when I try to use mBraille indirectly. If I > enter mBraille itself and then use it to launch something like messages and > mail, then third-party keyboarding works adequately. In those contexts, I’m > able to enable direct input without a problem. > > I tried uninstalling and then reinstalling the program, not forgetting to > restore purchases and make sure full access was enabled. No dice. > > As mentioned before, I’m using in iPhone 6 running ios8.3. > > Thanks, > Michelle > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 5:19 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard > > Yes it is. > > Are you using the Away mode layout? > > When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and > then be able to start writing. > > Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. > Do you have direct input on or off? > > Richard > > > "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what > they become by it." > > - John Ruskin > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Michelle McQuigge > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard > > Richard, > > I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It > cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that > price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard > > If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. > If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at > $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both > Dropbox and third party keyboard support. > It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have > tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a > three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just > dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. > Richard > > > On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge > wrote: > > Hi all, > I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille > as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and > have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. > > I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access > functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to > reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically > nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. > It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the > dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only > button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. > If I open mBraille
RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Hi Richard, Yes, I am using away mode, and indeed voiceover does say mBraille as soon as I select the keyboard from within some other app. However when I go to type, nothing happens. I hear clicks when I touch certain parts of the screen, but when I try to enter braille characters, there’s no response from mBraille. In fact on two occasions voiceover has interpreted my efforts to type as a three-finger double tap and muted the speech. :p Doing a three-finger swipe also doesn’t get me back to the keyboard. I can do that by holding the phone back in portrait mode and flicking right once. This, of course, is what happens when I try to use mBraille indirectly. If I enter mBraille itself and then use it to launch something like messages and mail, then third-party keyboarding works adequately. In those contexts, I’m able to enable direct input without a problem. I tried uninstalling and then reinstalling the program, not forgetting to restore purchases and make sure full access was enabled. No dice. As mentioned before, I’m using in iPhone 6 running ios8.3. Thanks, Michelle From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 5:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Yes it is. Are you using the Away mode layout? When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and then be able to start writing. Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. Do you have direct input on or off? Richard "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it." - John Ruskin From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Richard, I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to going through mBraille itself first? If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address the problem, I'd be really grateful. Thanks, Michelle -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received thi
RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Yes it is. Are you using the Away mode layout? When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and then be able to start writing. Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. Do you have direct input on or off? Richard "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it." - John Ruskin From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Richard, I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to going through mBraille itself first? If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address the problem, I'd be really grateful. Thanks, Michelle -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/rSkeSUhDA-c/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, v
RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Richard, I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to going through mBraille itself first? If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address the problem, I'd be really grateful. Thanks, Michelle -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/rSkeSUhDA-c/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this gro
Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard > On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge > wrote: > > Hi all, > I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille > as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and > have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. > > I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access > functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to > reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically > nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. > It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the > dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only > button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. > If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as > expected. > > Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon > mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to > going through mBraille itself first? > > If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to > address the problem, I'd be really grateful. > > Thanks, > Michelle > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to going through mBraille itself first? If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address the problem, I'd be really grateful. Thanks, Michelle -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard
Hope it's fixed at least partially in iOS 8.1 released for free starting Monday. I have no issues with it myself but can see why some of you are. Sent from my laptop On 16/10/2014 17:32, RobH. wrote: Sounded like Siri interpretation, but also, the surprise is that the method is essentially the same. And yes, I had huge reliability issues with it accepting my efforts; just tempremental like the best of us, or rest of us. Rh. - Original Message - From: "Cheryl Homiak" To: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 4:59 PM Subject: Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard It's Mbraille not embryo. Maybe your autocorrection is changing it to embryo. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard
Sounded like Siri interpretation, but also, the surprise is that the method is essentially the same. And yes, I had huge reliability issues with it accepting my efforts; just tempremental like the best of us, or rest of us. Rh. - Original Message - From: "Cheryl Homiak" To: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 4:59 PM Subject: Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard It's Mbraille not embryo. Maybe your autocorrection is changing it to embryo. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Oct 16, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Kathy Metters wrote: > I tried embryo and never could use it. Using the brill in iOS eight is > much easier for me. I don't know if it was me or the app. I love the > braille implet or iOS eight, I do not bother with using embryo because > it's too difficult. > > Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote: > >> I'm not having the spacing problem but I have no idea why; I know several >> people have reported it. You can get echo with uncontracted braille but >> it would be nice to have that with contracted but I don't care about >> sounds per se just want to know if I typed the right thing without having >> to check. I couldn't really speak to the rest of these points since for >> some reason I was never really able to use M-braille but they make some >> sense. I would imagine the iOS system wil eventually have more of these >> features. >> >> -- >> Cheryl >> >> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. >> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper >> thrown in the trash! >> Then God gave me a new heart and life: >> His joy for my despairing tears! >> And now, every day: >> "This I call to mind, >> and therefore I have hope: >> The steadfast love of the Lord >> never ceases; >> his mercies never come to an end; >> they are new every morning; >> great is your faithfulness." >> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 9, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> 1. Spaces are often not recognized by iOS, leading to significantly >>> slower typing. They are not misread as dots, they are simply ignored. >>> 2. MBraille has what many consider to be far easier editing/reviewing >>> commands than iOS. I find the rotor works fine for me, but I have to say >>> that the method of selecting text in MBraille is far, far easier than >>> the unreliable pinch gestures in iOS. >>> 3. MBraille has dot commands, which are sometimes faster than brailling >>> in the app you want. Tweets or web searches aren't, but calendar events >>> are since you can specify everything at once. >>> 4. MBraille offers keyboard sounds, which help when typing for some >>> reason. The silence in the iOS braille keyboard can slow me down, though >>> I don't know why this might be. >>> 5. MBraille offers a way to delete words at a time, not just characters, >>> which is very helpful. >>> 6. In MBraille, you can navigate by sentence and paragraph, two options >>> iOS still lacks. >>>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Joseph FreeTech >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Just out of curiosity... How will the MBraille input method >>>> significantly >>>> differ from what iOS 8 is offering? Can't really come up with any >>>> benefits, >>>> so please help. . >>>> >>>> Joseph >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Richard Turner" >>>> To: "ViPone list" >>>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 5:42 PM >>>> Subject: mBraille as a third party keyboard >>>> >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> I heard back from the developer of mBraille about him making mBraille >>>> available as a third party keyboard. >>>> His response was, "maybe, I have not ruled it out." >>>> So, I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I'd encourage anyone who >>>> would >>>> like to see that happen to write to him and let him know. >>>> >>>
Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard
It's Mbraille not embryo. Maybe your autocorrection is changing it to embryo. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Oct 16, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Kathy Metters wrote: > I tried embryo and never could use it. Using the brill in iOS eight is much > easier for me. I don't know if it was me or the app. I love the braille > implet or iOS eight, I do not bother with using embryo because it's too > difficult. > > Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote: > >> I'm not having the spacing problem but I have no idea why; I know several >> people have reported it. You can get echo with uncontracted braille but it >> would be nice to have that with contracted but I don't care about sounds per >> se just want to know if I typed the right thing without having to check. I >> couldn't really speak to the rest of these points since for some reason I >> was never really able to use M-braille but they make some sense. I would >> imagine the iOS system wil eventually have more of these features. >> >> -- >> Cheryl >> >> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. >> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper >> thrown in the trash! >> Then God gave me a new heart and life: >> His joy for my despairing tears! >> And now, every day: >> "This I call to mind, >> and therefore I have hope: >> The steadfast love of the Lord >> never ceases; >> his mercies never come to an end; >> they are new every morning; >> great is your faithfulness." >> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 9, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> 1. Spaces are often not recognized by iOS, leading to significantly slower >>> typing. They are not misread as dots, they are simply ignored. >>> 2. MBraille has what many consider to be far easier editing/reviewing >>> commands than iOS. I find the rotor works fine for me, but I have to say >>> that the method of selecting text in MBraille is far, far easier than the >>> unreliable pinch gestures in iOS. >>> 3. MBraille has dot commands, which are sometimes faster than brailling in >>> the app you want. Tweets or web searches aren't, but calendar events are >>> since you can specify everything at once. >>> 4. MBraille offers keyboard sounds, which help when typing for some reason. >>> The silence in the iOS braille keyboard can slow me down, though I don't >>> know why this might be. >>> 5. MBraille offers a way to delete words at a time, not just characters, >>> which is very helpful. >>> 6. In MBraille, you can navigate by sentence and paragraph, two options iOS >>> still lacks. On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote: Just out of curiosity... How will the MBraille input method significantly differ from what iOS 8 is offering? Can't really come up with any benefits, so please help. . Joseph - Original Message - From: "Richard Turner" To: "ViPone list" Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 5:42 PM Subject: mBraille as a third party keyboard Greetings, I heard back from the developer of mBraille about him making mBraille available as a third party keyboard. His response was, "maybe, I have not ruled it out." So, I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I'd encourage anyone who would like to see that happen to write to him and let him know. I went through his website contact form, but his address is: supp...@mpaja.com Richard "The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd." - Bertrand Russell *Sent from my iPhone 5S -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.goo
Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard
I tried embryo and never could use it. Using the brill in iOS eight is much easier for me. I don't know if it was me or the app. I love the braille implet or iOS eight, I do not bother with using embryo because it's too difficult. Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote: > > I'm not having the spacing problem but I have no idea why; I know several > people have reported it. You can get echo with uncontracted braille but it > would be nice to have that with contracted but I don't care about sounds per > se just want to know if I typed the right thing without having to check. I > couldn't really speak to the rest of these points since for some reason I was > never really able to use M-braille but they make some sense. I would imagine > the iOS system wil eventually have more of these features. > > -- > Cheryl > > I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. > I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper > thrown in the trash! > Then God gave me a new heart and life: > His joy for my despairing tears! > And now, every day: > "This I call to mind, > and therefore I have hope: > The steadfast love of the Lord > never ceases; > his mercies never come to an end; > they are new every morning; > great is your faithfulness." > (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) > > > > >> On Oct 9, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >> 1. Spaces are often not recognized by iOS, leading to significantly slower >> typing. They are not misread as dots, they are simply ignored. >> 2. MBraille has what many consider to be far easier editing/reviewing >> commands than iOS. I find the rotor works fine for me, but I have to say >> that the method of selecting text in MBraille is far, far easier than the >> unreliable pinch gestures in iOS. >> 3. MBraille has dot commands, which are sometimes faster than brailling in >> the app you want. Tweets or web searches aren't, but calendar events are >> since you can specify everything at once. >> 4. MBraille offers keyboard sounds, which help when typing for some reason. >> The silence in the iOS braille keyboard can slow me down, though I don't >> know why this might be. >> 5. MBraille offers a way to delete words at a time, not just characters, >> which is very helpful. >> 6. In MBraille, you can navigate by sentence and paragraph, two options iOS >> still lacks. >>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Joseph FreeTech >>> wrote: >>> >>> Just out of curiosity... How will the MBraille input method significantly >>> differ from what iOS 8 is offering? Can't really come up with any benefits, >>> so please help. . >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Richard Turner" >>> To: "ViPone list" >>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 5:42 PM >>> Subject: mBraille as a third party keyboard >>> >>> >>> Greetings, >>> I heard back from the developer of mBraille about him making mBraille >>> available as a third party keyboard. >>> His response was, "maybe, I have not ruled it out." >>> So, I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I'd encourage anyone who >>> would >>> like to see that happen to write to him and let him know. >>> >>> I went through his website contact form, but his address is: >>> supp...@mpaja.com >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not >>> utterly absurd." >>> >>> - Bertrand Russell >>> >>> >>> >>> *Sent from my iPhone 5S >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >>> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >>> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >>> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >>> directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list >>> can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >>> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >>> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >>> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >>> directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list >>> can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To uns
Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard
Yes, but I find the MBraille commands very difficult to reliably execute. It is also a bit slow and tedious to have to use the MBraille navigation commands. The iOS rotor is a bit of a headache too, but MBraille is not all that much of an improvement. Hopefully others have fared much better as I stopped using MBraille for these reasons. It took a while for MBraille to reach it's current state of development, so hopefully iOS will add similar functionality as it matures. ...Just my 2. Joseph - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard 1. Spaces are often not recognized by iOS, leading to significantly slower typing. They are not misread as dots, they are simply ignored. 2. MBraille has what many consider to be far easier editing/reviewing commands than iOS. I find the rotor works fine for me, but I have to say that the method of selecting text in MBraille is far, far easier than the unreliable pinch gestures in iOS. 3. MBraille has dot commands, which are sometimes faster than brailling in the app you want. Tweets or web searches aren't, but calendar events are since you can specify everything at once. 4. MBraille offers keyboard sounds, which help when typing for some reason. The silence in the iOS braille keyboard can slow me down, though I don't know why this might be. 5. MBraille offers a way to delete words at a time, not just characters, which is very helpful. 6. In MBraille, you can navigate by sentence and paragraph, two options iOS still lacks. > On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Joseph FreeTech > wrote: > > Just out of curiosity... How will the MBraille input method significantly > differ from what iOS 8 is offering? Can't really come up with any > benefits, > so please help. . > > Joseph > > - Original Message - > From: "Richard Turner" > To: "ViPone list" > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 5:42 PM > Subject: mBraille as a third party keyboard > > > Greetings, > I heard back from the developer of mBraille about him making mBraille > available as a third party keyboard. > His response was, "maybe, I have not ruled it out." > So, I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I'd encourage anyone who > would > like to see that happen to write to him and let him know. > > I went through his website contact form, but his address is: > supp...@mpaja.com > Richard > > > > > "The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not > utterly absurd." > > - Bertrand Russell > > > > *Sent from my iPhone 5S > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone > list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that > a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this > list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone > list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you > have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you > feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives > for this list can be searched at > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel th
Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard
I'm not having the spacing problem but I have no idea why; I know several people have reported it. You can get echo with uncontracted braille but it would be nice to have that with contracted but I don't care about sounds per se just want to know if I typed the right thing without having to check. I couldn't really speak to the rest of these points since for some reason I was never really able to use M-braille but they make some sense. I would imagine the iOS system wil eventually have more of these features. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Oct 9, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > 1. Spaces are often not recognized by iOS, leading to significantly slower > typing. They are not misread as dots, they are simply ignored. > 2. MBraille has what many consider to be far easier editing/reviewing > commands than iOS. I find the rotor works fine for me, but I have to say that > the method of selecting text in MBraille is far, far easier than the > unreliable pinch gestures in iOS. > 3. MBraille has dot commands, which are sometimes faster than brailling in > the app you want. Tweets or web searches aren't, but calendar events are > since you can specify everything at once. > 4. MBraille offers keyboard sounds, which help when typing for some reason. > The silence in the iOS braille keyboard can slow me down, though I don't know > why this might be. > 5. MBraille offers a way to delete words at a time, not just characters, > which is very helpful. > 6. In MBraille, you can navigate by sentence and paragraph, two options iOS > still lacks. >> On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Joseph FreeTech >> wrote: >> >> Just out of curiosity... How will the MBraille input method significantly >> differ from what iOS 8 is offering? Can't really come up with any benefits, >> so please help. . >> >> Joseph >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Richard Turner" >> To: "ViPone list" >> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 5:42 PM >> Subject: mBraille as a third party keyboard >> >> >> Greetings, >> I heard back from the developer of mBraille about him making mBraille >> available as a third party keyboard. >> His response was, "maybe, I have not ruled it out." >> So, I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I'd encourage anyone who would >> like to see that happen to write to him and let him know. >> >> I went through his website contact form, but his address is: >> supp...@mpaja.com >> Richard >> >> >> >> >> "The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not >> utterly absurd." >> >> - Bertrand Russell >> >> >> >> *Sent from my iPhone 5S >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >> directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list >> can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >> directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list >> can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > Have a great day, > Alex Hall > mehg...@icloud.com > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new m
Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard
1. Spaces are often not recognized by iOS, leading to significantly slower typing. They are not misread as dots, they are simply ignored. 2. MBraille has what many consider to be far easier editing/reviewing commands than iOS. I find the rotor works fine for me, but I have to say that the method of selecting text in MBraille is far, far easier than the unreliable pinch gestures in iOS. 3. MBraille has dot commands, which are sometimes faster than brailling in the app you want. Tweets or web searches aren't, but calendar events are since you can specify everything at once. 4. MBraille offers keyboard sounds, which help when typing for some reason. The silence in the iOS braille keyboard can slow me down, though I don't know why this might be. 5. MBraille offers a way to delete words at a time, not just characters, which is very helpful. 6. In MBraille, you can navigate by sentence and paragraph, two options iOS still lacks. > On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote: > > Just out of curiosity... How will the MBraille input method significantly > differ from what iOS 8 is offering? Can't really come up with any benefits, > so please help. . > > Joseph > > - Original Message - > From: "Richard Turner" > To: "ViPone list" > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 5:42 PM > Subject: mBraille as a third party keyboard > > > Greetings, > I heard back from the developer of mBraille about him making mBraille > available as a third party keyboard. > His response was, "maybe, I have not ruled it out." > So, I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I'd encourage anyone who would > like to see that happen to write to him and let him know. > > I went through his website contact form, but his address is: > supp...@mpaja.com > Richard > > > > > "The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not > utterly absurd." > > - Bertrand Russell > > > > *Sent from my iPhone 5S > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard
Just out of curiosity... How will the MBraille input method significantly differ from what iOS 8 is offering? Can't really come up with any benefits, so please help. . Joseph - Original Message - From: "Richard Turner" To: "ViPone list" Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 5:42 PM Subject: mBraille as a third party keyboard Greetings, I heard back from the developer of mBraille about him making mBraille available as a third party keyboard. His response was, "maybe, I have not ruled it out." So, I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I'd encourage anyone who would like to see that happen to write to him and let him know. I went through his website contact form, but his address is: supp...@mpaja.com Richard "The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd." - Bertrand Russell *Sent from my iPhone 5S -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard
Ok, sounds good enough to me. I'm not a great enthusiast for the rotor concept, or however folks mis-spell it; but it works and it's what we've got. Thanks, Rh. - Original Message - From: "Christopher Hallsworth" To: Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard None of them work properly yet due to a conflict with VoiceOver's direct touch and third party keyboards. You add a third party keyboard like you would add a built in keyboard that comes with the OS. Settings general keyboards add keyboard. To use it you double tap next keyboard in any text field until the third party keyboard is activated. However as said none of them work properly yet. MBraille will not be a third party keyboard because, and don't quote me on this, Apple does not allow third party keyboards to go full screen which MBraille does since the dots take up the entire screen. This I heard from the developer Harry himself. This is how Apple's Braille Screen Input was born. I love it personally and editing is a breeze; just use the standard edit functions built into iOS with the addition of a two finger scrub to get out of Braille Screen Input. Sent from my laptop On 04/10/2014 07:47, RobH. wrote: > Can we turn this upside down for a minute, does anyone know how third > party > keyboards are meant to work, how do you select and operate them? > > I ask, as it begs the question why iOs braille input didn't get done like > that. > > mBraille as a keyboard alone would be a very different beast to the app it > currently is. the editing and text navigation are as much a part of its > benefit as the braille input itself. So how much of that would also get > provided?... and the short answer suggest none; it is or would be just > the > text input, and handle the text input field in the normal way. > > has anyone tried any third party keyboard yet? > > RobH. > > - Original Message - > From: "Richard Turner" > To: "ViPone list" > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:42 AM > Subject: mBraille as a third party keyboard > > > Greetings, > I heard back from the developer of mBraille about him making mBraille > available as a third party keyboard. > His response was, "maybe, I have not ruled it out." > So, I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I'd encourage anyone who > would > like to see that happen to write to him and let him know. > > I went through his website contact form, but his address is: > supp...@mpaja.com > Richard > > > > > "The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not > utterly absurd." > > - Bertrand Russell > > > > *Sent from my iPhone 5S > > -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard
None of them work properly yet due to a conflict with VoiceOver's direct touch and third party keyboards. You add a third party keyboard like you would add a built in keyboard that comes with the OS. Settings general keyboards add keyboard. To use it you double tap next keyboard in any text field until the third party keyboard is activated. However as said none of them work properly yet. MBraille will not be a third party keyboard because, and don't quote me on this, Apple does not allow third party keyboards to go full screen which MBraille does since the dots take up the entire screen. This I heard from the developer Harry himself. This is how Apple's Braille Screen Input was born. I love it personally and editing is a breeze; just use the standard edit functions built into iOS with the addition of a two finger scrub to get out of Braille Screen Input. Sent from my laptop On 04/10/2014 07:47, RobH. wrote: Can we turn this upside down for a minute, does anyone know how third party keyboards are meant to work, how do you select and operate them? I ask, as it begs the question why iOs braille input didn't get done like that. mBraille as a keyboard alone would be a very different beast to the app it currently is. the editing and text navigation are as much a part of its benefit as the braille input itself. So how much of that would also get provided?... and the short answer suggest none; it is or would be just the text input, and handle the text input field in the normal way. has anyone tried any third party keyboard yet? RobH. - Original Message - From: "Richard Turner" To: "ViPone list" Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:42 AM Subject: mBraille as a third party keyboard Greetings, I heard back from the developer of mBraille about him making mBraille available as a third party keyboard. His response was, "maybe, I have not ruled it out." So, I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I'd encourage anyone who would like to see that happen to write to him and let him know. I went through his website contact form, but his address is: supp...@mpaja.com Richard "The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd." - Bertrand Russell *Sent from my iPhone 5S -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: mBraille as a third party keyboard
Can we turn this upside down for a minute, does anyone know how third party keyboards are meant to work, how do you select and operate them? I ask, as it begs the question why iOs braille input didn't get done like that. mBraille as a keyboard alone would be a very different beast to the app it currently is. the editing and text navigation are as much a part of its benefit as the braille input itself. So how much of that would also get provided?... and the short answer suggest none; it is or would be just the text input, and handle the text input field in the normal way. has anyone tried any third party keyboard yet? RobH. - Original Message - From: "Richard Turner" To: "ViPone list" Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:42 AM Subject: mBraille as a third party keyboard Greetings, I heard back from the developer of mBraille about him making mBraille available as a third party keyboard. His response was, "maybe, I have not ruled it out." So, I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I'd encourage anyone who would like to see that happen to write to him and let him know. I went through his website contact form, but his address is: supp...@mpaja.com Richard "The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd." - Bertrand Russell *Sent from my iPhone 5S -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
