RE: voice over instability

[Richard Turner]

I sent the info on the keyboard and carrying case with its own subject line.

HTH,



Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
Outman
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 2:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: voice over instability

I have that keyboard. I’m interested in that carrying case, as the reason I had 
to change out that keyboard before was too many drops and too much stepping on 
it.
Bill Outman


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of deidre muccio
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 4:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: voice over instability

yes, Richard, you are right, it's time. Please send me the links. I will order 
the keyboard pronto. Thank you.
Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I can recommend the Logitech K480 from Amazon for around $30.
Its keys feel like the same keys I have on my computer USB keyboard.
It does not have the number pad, which you don’t need for an iPhone anyway.
It is very sturdy.
It can pair with up to three devices.
It takes two triple A batteries and they last at least 2 years.
If you want to take it with you a lot, there is a $15 carrying case that is 
quite nice made by Hermit Shell.
If you are interested, I can send you the links on Amazon.



Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: voice over instability

Richard funny, I came to that same conclusion yesterday! About needing to get a 
Bluetooth keyboard. I've seen a full-size one once that someone offered me but 
it was broken. if I go that route I'm definitelygoing to want  a full-size 
keyboard.  I've had wicked trouble with carpal tunnel in years past. I don't 
need to do anything that might aggravate that such as type on a small  little 
card size Bluetooth keyboard or even the face of the iPhone.

I believe I listed off the three iPhones that I possess with what version each 
of them had on them a day or two ago. That might've been a post that was too 
garbled for you to understand. I hope I do less and less of that with each new 
post I create!
Deidre

Sent from my iPhone


On May 12, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 It was never clear that you bought the SE 2020.
Now it is, so ignore the rest of my message.
May I suggest you get a bluetooth keyboard so you are not relying on dictation, 
unless you cannot type, in which case, you are stuck with dictation and being 
misunderstood.

Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1cc5c063e4e2442a8c3808d7f6b884b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637249144669478253&sdata=UuLTQHjZ0LddoZhl%2B2fnI6GB9i4WEj46M0Py3HfqEZQ%3D&reserved=0>



On May 12, 2020, at 9:51 AM, deidre muccio 
mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Richard whatIn the world are you saying here in the world are you saying here? 
did I not indeed just purchase the SE 2020 phone for $449 for the added gigs 
plus  insurance plus tax… Came in three colors,  red black and I can't remember 
what the other one was. It does have 13.4.1 on it. That's what I'm using. And 
by the way the cases I have for this SC 2020 and the 6s and the six all fit 
each other. So I'm not sure why everyone saying there of a different size.
before the SE 2020 came out, and I was eagerly awaiting its release, I bought a 
iPhone 6s from consumer cellular for $150. That's what I used before the SE 
2020. I still use it. Are use both.
I hope this all makes sense at this point. My dictations haven't been great 
because the voiceover hasn't been cooperating as fully as I would like. For 
instance I can't seem to backspace to delete characters. It just makes that 
noise like I can't go anywhere until I shift it to work go back a word and then 
I can delete going forward character by character. It's very strange. i'm 
wondering if what's happening is when the rotors on text selection and 
character it moves itself to something else until I change it again. it's  
ridiculous.
deidre


Sent from my iPhone


On May 12, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...

RE: voice over instability

[Bill Outman]

I have that keyboard. I’m interested in that carrying case, as the reason I had 
to change out that keyboard before was too many drops and too much stepping on 
it.  

Bill Outman 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
deidre muccio
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 4:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over instability

 

yes, Richard, you are right, it's time. Please send me the links. I will order 
the keyboard pronto. Thank you. 

Sent from my iPhone





On May 12, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 

I can recommend the Logitech K480 from Amazon for around $30.

Its keys feel like the same keys I have on my computer USB keyboard.

It does not have the number pad, which you don’t need for an iPhone anyway.

It is very sturdy.

It can pair with up to three devices.

It takes two triple A batteries and they last at least 2 years.

If you want to take it with you a lot, there is a $15 carrying case that is 
quite nice made by Hermit Shell.

If you are interested, I can send you the links on Amazon.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over instability

 

Richard funny, I came to that same conclusion yesterday! About needing to get a 
Bluetooth keyboard. I've seen a full-size one once that someone offered me but 
it was broken. if I go that route I'm definitelygoing to want  a full-size 
keyboard.  I've had wicked trouble with carpal tunnel in years past. I don't 
need to do anything that might aggravate that such as type on a small  little 
card size Bluetooth keyboard or even the face of the iPhone.

 

I believe I listed off the three iPhones that I possess with what version each 
of them had on them a day or two ago. That might've been a post that was too 
garbled for you to understand. I hope I do less and less of that with each new 
post I create!

Deidre

 

Sent from my iPhone






On May 12, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 It was never clear that you bought the SE 2020. 

Now it is, so ignore the rest of my message.

May I suggest you get a bluetooth keyboard so you are not relying on dictation, 
unless you cannot type, in which case, you are stuck with dictation and being 
misunderstood.

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

www.turner42.com

 






On May 12, 2020, at 9:51 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:

Richard whatIn the world are you saying here in the world are you saying here? 
did I not indeed just purchase the SE 2020 phone for $449 for the added gigs 
plus  insurance plus tax… Came in three colors,  red black and I can't remember 
what the other one was. It does have 13.4.1 on it. That's what I'm using. And 
by the way the cases I have for this SC 2020 and the 6s and the six all fit 
each other. So I'm not sure why everyone saying there of a different size.
before the SE 2020 came out, and I was eagerly awaiting its release, I bought a 
iPhone 6s from consumer cellular for $150. That's what I used before the SE 
2020. I still use it. Are use both.
I hope this all makes sense at this point. My dictations haven't been great 
because the voiceover hasn't been cooperating as fully as I would like. For 
instance I can't seem to backspace to delete characters. It just makes that 
noise like I can't go anywhere until I shift it to work go back a word and then 
I can delete going forward character by character. It's very strange. i'm 
wondering if what's happening is when the rotors on text selection and 
character it moves itself to something else until I change it again. it's  
ridiculous.
deidre


Sent from my iPhone





On May 12, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

 

What you wrote was that you bought a cheap 6S, running 13.3.2.

If it is the old iPhone SE, then there is no number in the model name.

It is just an iPhone SE; plain and simple.

Apple confused everyone when they didn't use a number for the SE model and I 
gather SE may have stood for Special Edition in house at Apple.

 

Likewise, the new iPhone SE has no number really; but is often referred to as 
the iPhone SE 2020 to help distinguish it from the old iPhone SE.

 

So, a 6S and SE are not the same animal.  However, to confuse things even 
further, the SE has the same internal hardware and processing chip as the 6S; 
but is the size of the 5S.

 

And before anyone jumps in to say the iPhone X didn't have a number; it does, 
the X is the Roman numeral for 10.

 

So, I suspect you now have the old iPhone SE since the new iPhone SE released 
this year comes with 

Re: voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

yes, Richard, you are right, it's time. Please send me the links. I will order 
the keyboard pronto. Thank you. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I can recommend the Logitech K480 from Amazon for around $30.
> Its keys feel like the same keys I have on my computer USB keyboard.
> It does not have the number pad, which you don’t need for an iPhone anyway.
> It is very sturdy.
> It can pair with up to three devices.
> It takes two triple A batteries and they last at least 2 years.
> If you want to take it with you a lot, there is a $15 carrying case that is 
> quite nice made by Hermit Shell.
> If you are interested, I can send you the links on Amazon.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: voice over instability
>  
> Richard funny, I came to that same conclusion yesterday! About needing to get 
> a Bluetooth keyboard. I've seen a full-size one once that someone offered me 
> but it was broken. if I go that route I'm definitelygoing to want  a 
> full-size keyboard.  I've had wicked trouble with carpal tunnel in years 
> past. I don't need to do anything that might aggravate that such as type on a 
> small  little card size Bluetooth keyboard or even the face of the iPhone.
>  
> I believe I listed off the three iPhones that I possess with what version 
> each of them had on them a day or two ago. That might've been a post that was 
> too garbled for you to understand. I hope I do less and less of that with 
> each new post I create!
> Deidre
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 12, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  It was never clear that you bought the SE 2020.
> Now it is, so ignore the rest of my message.
> May I suggest you get a bluetooth keyboard so you are not relying on 
> dictation, unless you cannot type, in which case, you are stuck with 
> dictation and being misunderstood.
>  
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
>  
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> 
> On May 12, 2020, at 9:51 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
> Richard whatIn the world are you saying here in the world are you saying 
> here? did I not indeed just purchase the SE 2020 phone for $449 for the added 
> gigs plus  insurance plus tax… Came in three colors,  red black and I can't 
> remember what the other one was. It does have 13.4.1 on it. That's what I'm 
> using. And by the way the cases I have for this SC 2020 and the 6s and the 
> six all fit each other. So I'm not sure why everyone saying there of a 
> different size.
> before the SE 2020 came out, and I was eagerly awaiting its release, I bought 
> a iPhone 6s from consumer cellular for $150. That's what I used before the SE 
> 2020. I still use it. Are use both.
> I hope this all makes sense at this point. My dictations haven't been great 
> because the voiceover hasn't been cooperating as fully as I would like. For 
> instance I can't seem to backspace to delete characters. It just makes that 
> noise like I can't go anywhere until I shift it to work go back a word and 
> then I can delete going forward character by character. It's very strange. 
> i'm wondering if what's happening is when the rotors on text selection and 
> character it moves itself to something else until I change it again. it's  
> ridiculous.
> deidre
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 12, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>  
> What you wrote was that you bought a cheap 6S, running 13.3.2.
> If it is the old iPhone SE, then there is no number in the model name.
> It is just an iPhone SE; plain and simple.
> Apple confused everyone when they didn't use a number for the SE model and I 
> gather SE may have stood for Special Edition in house at Apple.
>  
> Likewise, the new iPhone SE has no number really; but is often referred to as 
> the iPhone SE 2020 to help distinguish it from the old iPhone SE.
>  
> So, a 6S and SE are not the same animal.  However, to confuse things even 
> further, the SE has the same internal hardware and processing chip as the 6S; 
> but is the size of the 5S.
>  
> And before anyone jumps in to say the iPhone X didn't have a number; it does, 
> the X is the Roman numeral for 10.
>  
> So, I su

RE: voice over instability

[Richard Turner]

I can recommend the Logitech K480 from Amazon for around $30.
Its keys feel like the same keys I have on my computer USB keyboard.
It does not have the number pad, which you don’t need for an iPhone anyway.
It is very sturdy.
It can pair with up to three devices.
It takes two triple A batteries and they last at least 2 years.
If you want to take it with you a lot, there is a $15 carrying case that is 
quite nice made by Hermit Shell.
If you are interested, I can send you the links on Amazon.



Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over instability

Richard funny, I came to that same conclusion yesterday! About needing to get a 
Bluetooth keyboard. I've seen a full-size one once that someone offered me but 
it was broken. if I go that route I'm definitelygoing to want  a full-size 
keyboard.  I've had wicked trouble with carpal tunnel in years past. I don't 
need to do anything that might aggravate that such as type on a small  little 
card size Bluetooth keyboard or even the face of the iPhone.

I believe I listed off the three iPhones that I possess with what version each 
of them had on them a day or two ago. That might've been a post that was too 
garbled for you to understand. I hope I do less and less of that with each new 
post I create!
Deidre

Sent from my iPhone


On May 12, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 It was never clear that you bought the SE 2020.
Now it is, so ignore the rest of my message.
May I suggest you get a bluetooth keyboard so you are not relying on dictation, 
unless you cannot type, in which case, you are stuck with dictation and being 
misunderstood.

Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



On May 12, 2020, at 9:51 AM, deidre muccio 
mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Richard whatIn the world are you saying here in the world are you saying here? 
did I not indeed just purchase the SE 2020 phone for $449 for the added gigs 
plus  insurance plus tax… Came in three colors,  red black and I can't remember 
what the other one was. It does have 13.4.1 on it. That's what I'm using. And 
by the way the cases I have for this SC 2020 and the 6s and the six all fit 
each other. So I'm not sure why everyone saying there of a different size.
before the SE 2020 came out, and I was eagerly awaiting its release, I bought a 
iPhone 6s from consumer cellular for $150. That's what I used before the SE 
2020. I still use it. Are use both.
I hope this all makes sense at this point. My dictations haven't been great 
because the voiceover hasn't been cooperating as fully as I would like. For 
instance I can't seem to backspace to delete characters. It just makes that 
noise like I can't go anywhere until I shift it to work go back a word and then 
I can delete going forward character by character. It's very strange. i'm 
wondering if what's happening is when the rotors on text selection and 
character it moves itself to something else until I change it again. it's  
ridiculous.
deidre


Sent from my iPhone


On May 12, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

What you wrote was that you bought a cheap 6S, running 13.3.2.
If it is the old iPhone SE, then there is no number in the model name.
It is just an iPhone SE; plain and simple.
Apple confused everyone when they didn't use a number for the SE model and I 
gather SE may have stood for Special Edition in house at Apple.

Likewise, the new iPhone SE has no number really; but is often referred to as 
the iPhone SE 2020 to help distinguish it from the old iPhone SE.

So, a 6S and SE are not the same animal.  However, to confuse things even 
further, the SE has the same internal hardware and processing chip as the 6S; 
but is the size of the 5S.

And before anyone jumps in to say the iPhone X didn't have a number; it does, 
the X is the Roman numeral for 10.

So, I suspect you now have the old iPhone SE since the new iPhone SE released 
this year comes with iOS 13.4.1.





Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: voice over instability

did I really write SC or SZ, I know it is an SE. And you're right I do have t

Re: voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

Dave,  I bought three identical cases all labeled that they would fit a  seven 
and eight and  my six, 6S, and SE 2020 phones all fit the same size case. I 
actually showed the man at the store the size of the phones and they were 
identical. But the labeling on some of the boxs were  not accurate meaning some 
cases that were marked for a seven and an eight were  smaller. Very 
strange.Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> No. the case for the new sE 2020, can be used with the iPhone 8, and 7. But 
> not the 6, and 6s.
> 
> Yes, it will fit. But the camera will be out of line.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: deidre muccio
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: voice over instability
> 
> Richard whatIn the world are you saying here in the world are you saying 
> here? did I not indeed just purchase the SE 2020 phone for $449 for the added 
> gigs plus  insurance plus tax… Came in three colors,  red black and I can't 
> remember what the other one was. It does have 13.4.1 on it. That's what I'm 
> using. And by the way the cases I have for this SC 2020 and the 6s and the 
> six all fit each other. So I'm not sure why everyone saying there of a 
> different size.
> before the SE 2020 came out, and I was eagerly awaiting its release, I bought 
> a iPhone 6s from consumer cellular for $150. That's what I used before the SE 
> 2020. I still use it. Are use both.
> I hope this all makes sense at this point. My dictations haven't been great 
> because the voiceover hasn't been cooperating as fully as I would like. For 
> instance I can't seem to backspace to delete characters. It just makes that 
> noise like I can't go anywhere until I shift it to work go back a word and 
> then I can delete going forward character by character. It's very strange. 
> i'm wondering if what's happening is when the rotors on text selection and 
> character it moves itself to something else until I change it again. it's 
> ridiculous.
> deidre
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What you wrote was that you bought a cheap 6S, running 13.3.2.
>> If it is the old iPhone SE, then there is no number in the model name.
>> It is just an iPhone SE; plain and simple.
>> Apple confused everyone when they didn't use a number for the SE model and I 
>> gather SE may have stood for Special Edition in house at Apple.
>> 
>> Likewise, the new iPhone SE has no number really; but is often referred to 
>> as the iPhone SE 2020 to help distinguish it from the old iPhone SE.
>> 
>> So, a 6S and SE are not the same animal.  However, to confuse things even 
>> further, the SE has the same internal hardware and processing chip as the 
>> 6S; but is the size of the 5S.
>> 
>> And before anyone jumps in to say the iPhone X didn't have a number; it 
>> does, the X is the Roman numeral for 10.
>> 
>> So, I suspect you now have the old iPhone SE since the new iPhone SE 
>> released this year comes with iOS 13.4.1.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 1:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: voice over instability
>> 
>> did I really write SC or SZ, I know it is an SE. And you're right I do have 
>> the most recent update. I wasthinking that the 6S has yet another update I 
>> could graduate to but I don't think I'm going to do that because I'll 
>> probably have the same problems I'm having on the New phone which I was very 
>> eagerly awaiting to purchase. I succeeded here in properly writing SE as in 
>> Sam and elephant!
>> Thanks all.
>> deidre
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 11, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Dave  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Deidre. iOS 13.4.1, is the latest update.
>>> 
>>> Also, i think you mean, the iPhone SE, not SC.
>>> 
>>> Dave.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: deidre muccio
>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 8:47 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: voice over instability
>>> 
>>>> Richard, I am indeed using the new SC with 13.4.1. There's one more update 
>>>>

Re: voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

Richard funny, I came to that same conclusion yesterday! About needing to get a 
Bluetooth keyboard. I've seen a full-size one once that someone offered me but 
it was broken. if I go that route I'm definitelygoing to want  a full-size 
keyboard.  I've had wicked trouble with carpal tunnel in years past. I don't 
need to do anything that might aggravate that such as type on a small  little 
card size Bluetooth keyboard or even the face of the iPhone.

I believe I listed off the three iPhones that I possess with what version each 
of them had on them a day or two ago. That might've been a post that was too 
garbled for you to understand. I hope I do less and less of that with each new 
post I create!
Deidre


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  It was never clear that you bought the SE 2020.
> Now it is, so ignore the rest of my message.
> May I suggest you get a bluetooth keyboard so you are not relying on 
> dictation, unless you cannot type, in which case, you are stuck with 
> dictation and being misunderstood.
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 9:51 AM, deidre muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> Richard whatIn the world are you saying here in the world are you saying 
>> here? did I not indeed just purchase the SE 2020 phone for $449 for the 
>> added gigs plus  insurance plus tax… Came in three colors,  red black and I 
>> can't remember what the other one was. It does have 13.4.1 on it. That's 
>> what I'm using. And by the way the cases I have for this SC 2020 and the 6s 
>> and the six all fit each other. So I'm not sure why everyone saying there of 
>> a different size.
>> before the SE 2020 came out, and I was eagerly awaiting its release, I 
>> bought a iPhone 6s from consumer cellular for $150. That's what I used 
>> before the SE 2020. I still use it. Are use both.
>> I hope this all makes sense at this point. My dictations haven't been great 
>> because the voiceover hasn't been cooperating as fully as I would like. For 
>> instance I can't seem to backspace to delete characters. It just makes that 
>> noise like I can't go anywhere until I shift it to work go back a word and 
>> then I can delete going forward character by character. It's very strange. 
>> i'm wondering if what's happening is when the rotors on text selection and 
>> character it moves itself to something else until I change it again. it's  
>> ridiculous.
>> deidre
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What you wrote was that you bought a cheap 6S, running 13.3.2.
>>> If it is the old iPhone SE, then there is no number in the model name.
>>> It is just an iPhone SE; plain and simple.
>>> Apple confused everyone when they didn't use a number for the SE model and 
>>> I gather SE may have stood for Special Edition in house at Apple.
>>> 
>>> Likewise, the new iPhone SE has no number really; but is often referred to 
>>> as the iPhone SE 2020 to help distinguish it from the old iPhone SE.
>>> 
>>> So, a 6S and SE are not the same animal.  However, to confuse things even 
>>> further, the SE has the same internal hardware and processing chip as the 
>>> 6S; but is the size of the 5S.
>>> 
>>> And before anyone jumps in to say the iPhone X didn't have a number; it 
>>> does, the X is the Roman numeral for 10.
>>> 
>>> So, I suspect you now have the old iPhone SE since the new iPhone SE 
>>> released this year comes with iOS 13.4.1.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
>>> Oregon.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> deidre muccio
>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 1:11 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: voice over instability
>>> 
>>> did I really write SC or SZ, I know it is an SE. And you're right I do have 
>>> the most recent update. I wasthinking that the 6S has yet another update I 
>>> could graduate to but I don't think I'm going to do that because I'

Re: voice over instability

[Richard Turner]

It was never clear that you bought the SE 2020.
Now it is, so ignore the rest of my message.
May I suggest you get a bluetooth keyboard so you are not relying on dictation, 
unless you cannot type, in which case, you are stuck with dictation and being 
misunderstood.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On May 12, 2020, at 9:51 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:

Richard whatIn the world are you saying here in the world are you saying here? 
did I not indeed just purchase the SE 2020 phone for $449 for the added gigs 
plus  insurance plus tax… Came in three colors,  red black and I can't remember 
what the other one was. It does have 13.4.1 on it. That's what I'm using. And 
by the way the cases I have for this SC 2020 and the 6s and the six all fit 
each other. So I'm not sure why everyone saying there of a different size.
before the SE 2020 came out, and I was eagerly awaiting its release, I bought a 
iPhone 6s from consumer cellular for $150. That's what I used before the SE 
2020. I still use it. Are use both.
I hope this all makes sense at this point. My dictations haven't been great 
because the voiceover hasn't been cooperating as fully as I would like. For 
instance I can't seem to backspace to delete characters. It just makes that 
noise like I can't go anywhere until I shift it to work go back a word and then 
I can delete going forward character by character. It's very strange. i'm 
wondering if what's happening is when the rotors on text selection and 
character it moves itself to something else until I change it again. it's  
ridiculous.
deidre


Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

What you wrote was that you bought a cheap 6S, running 13.3.2.
If it is the old iPhone SE, then there is no number in the model name.
It is just an iPhone SE; plain and simple.
Apple confused everyone when they didn't use a number for the SE model and I 
gather SE may have stood for Special Edition in house at Apple.

Likewise, the new iPhone SE has no number really; but is often referred to as 
the iPhone SE 2020 to help distinguish it from the old iPhone SE.

So, a 6S and SE are not the same animal.  However, to confuse things even 
further, the SE has the same internal hardware and processing chip as the 6S; 
but is the size of the 5S.

And before anyone jumps in to say the iPhone X didn't have a number; it does, 
the X is the Roman numeral for 10.

So, I suspect you now have the old iPhone SE since the new iPhone SE released 
this year comes with iOS 13.4.1.





Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over instability

did I really write SC or SZ, I know it is an SE. And you're right I do have the 
most recent update. I wasthinking that the 6S has yet another update I could 
graduate to but I don't think I'm going to do that because I'll probably have 
the same problems I'm having on the New phone which I was very eagerly awaiting 
to purchase. I succeeded here in properly writing SE as in Sam and elephant!
Thanks all.
deidre


Sent from my iPhone

On May 11, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Dave  wrote:

Hi Deidre. iOS 13.4.1, is the latest update.

Also, i think you mean, the iPhone SE, not SC.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: deidre muccio
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 8:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over instability

Richard, I am indeed using the new SC with 13.4.1. There's one more update I 
could do. I don't didn't have any trouble with the success using an issue even 
earlier version of 13. I think part of the problem when writing a message 
you're trying to edit something in a Gmail mail message, is that I am 
activating inadvertently the text formatting or all those things that try and 
insert themselves like do you want to insert a picture or do you want to do 
some kind of text formatting and then it just throws me just the whole 
voiceover thing no longer is working with the text that I had started writing. 
And like just now I'm dictating this for a second time. Somehow it just got 
deleted, the whole message. i'm afraid to even go back and try and edit this 
now for fear it's going to do something quirky all over again. So please excuse 
the errors in this message. God how I miss my PC and outlook which I am 
responsible for corrupting after trying to delete 27,000 messages or at least 
go through 27,000 messages to get rid of the things that were hidden in an 
unread folder that were copies of other things that I have long since de

Re: voice over instability

[Dave]

No. the case for the new sE 2020, can be used with the iPhone 8, and 7. But 
not the 6, and 6s.


Yes, it will fit. But the camera will be out of line.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: deidre muccio

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over instability

Richard whatIn the world are you saying here in the world are you saying 
here? did I not indeed just purchase the SE 2020 phone for $449 for the 
added gigs plus  insurance plus tax… Came in three colors,  red black and I 
can't remember what the other one was. It does have 13.4.1 on it. That's 
what I'm using. And by the way the cases I have for this SC 2020 and the 6s 
and the six all fit each other. So I'm not sure why everyone saying there of 
a different size.
before the SE 2020 came out, and I was eagerly awaiting its release, I 
bought a iPhone 6s from consumer cellular for $150. That's what I used 
before the SE 2020. I still use it. Are use both.
I hope this all makes sense at this point. My dictations haven't been great 
because the voiceover hasn't been cooperating as fully as I would like. For 
instance I can't seem to backspace to delete characters. It just makes that 
noise like I can't go anywhere until I shift it to work go back a word and 
then I can delete going forward character by character. It's very strange. 
i'm wondering if what's happening is when the rotors on text selection and 
character it moves itself to something else until I change it again. it's 
ridiculous.

deidre


Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


What you wrote was that you bought a cheap 6S, running 13.3.2.
If it is the old iPhone SE, then there is no number in the model name.
It is just an iPhone SE; plain and simple.
Apple confused everyone when they didn't use a number for the SE model and 
I gather SE may have stood for Special Edition in house at Apple.


Likewise, the new iPhone SE has no number really; but is often referred to 
as the iPhone SE 2020 to help distinguish it from the old iPhone SE.


So, a 6S and SE are not the same animal.  However, to confuse things even 
further, the SE has the same internal hardware and processing chip as the 
6S; but is the size of the 5S.


And before anyone jumps in to say the iPhone X didn't have a number; it 
does, the X is the Roman numeral for 10.


So, I suspect you now have the old iPhone SE since the new iPhone SE 
released this year comes with iOS 13.4.1.






Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
Oregon.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
deidre muccio

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over instability

did I really write SC or SZ, I know it is an SE. And you're right I do 
have the most recent update. I wasthinking that the 6S has yet another 
update I could graduate to but I don't think I'm going to do that because 
I'll probably have the same problems I'm having on the New phone which I 
was very eagerly awaiting to purchase. I succeeded here in properly 
writing SE as in Sam and elephant!

Thanks all.
deidre


Sent from my iPhone


On May 11, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Dave  wrote:

Hi Deidre. iOS 13.4.1, is the latest update.

Also, i think you mean, the iPhone SE, not SC.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: deidre muccio
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 8:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over instability

Richard, I am indeed using the new SC with 13.4.1. There's one more 
update I could do. I don't didn't have any trouble with the success 
using an issue even earlier version of 13. I think part of the problem 
when writing a message you're trying to edit something in a Gmail mail 
message, is that I am activating inadvertently the text formatting or 
all those things that try and insert themselves like do you want to 
insert a picture or do you want to do some kind of text formatting and 
then it just throws me just the whole voiceover thing no longer is 
working with the text that I had started writing. And like just now I'm 
dictating this for a second time. Somehow it just got deleted, the whole 
message. i'm afraid to even go back and try and edit this now for fear 
it's going to do something quirky all over again. So please excuse the 
errors in this message. God how I miss my PC and outlook which I am 
responsible for corrupting after trying to delete 27,000 messages or at 
least go through 27,000 messages to get rid of the things that were 
hidden in an unread folder that were copies of other things that I have 
long since deleted. My mistake.


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Re: voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

Richard whatIn the world are you saying here in the world are you saying here? 
did I not indeed just purchase the SE 2020 phone for $449 for the added gigs 
plus  insurance plus tax… Came in three colors,  red black and I can't remember 
what the other one was. It does have 13.4.1 on it. That's what I'm using. And 
by the way the cases I have for this SC 2020 and the 6s and the six all fit 
each other. So I'm not sure why everyone saying there of a different size.
before the SE 2020 came out, and I was eagerly awaiting its release, I bought a 
iPhone 6s from consumer cellular for $150. That's what I used before the SE 
2020. I still use it. Are use both.
I hope this all makes sense at this point. My dictations haven't been great 
because the voiceover hasn't been cooperating as fully as I would like. For 
instance I can't seem to backspace to delete characters. It just makes that 
noise like I can't go anywhere until I shift it to work go back a word and then 
I can delete going forward character by character. It's very strange. i'm 
wondering if what's happening is when the rotors on text selection and 
character it moves itself to something else until I change it again. it's  
ridiculous.
deidre


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> What you wrote was that you bought a cheap 6S, running 13.3.2.
> If it is the old iPhone SE, then there is no number in the model name.
> It is just an iPhone SE; plain and simple.
> Apple confused everyone when they didn't use a number for the SE model and I 
> gather SE may have stood for Special Edition in house at Apple.
> 
> Likewise, the new iPhone SE has no number really; but is often referred to as 
> the iPhone SE 2020 to help distinguish it from the old iPhone SE.
> 
> So, a 6S and SE are not the same animal.  However, to confuse things even 
> further, the SE has the same internal hardware and processing chip as the 6S; 
> but is the size of the 5S.
> 
> And before anyone jumps in to say the iPhone X didn't have a number; it does, 
> the X is the Roman numeral for 10.
> 
> So, I suspect you now have the old iPhone SE since the new iPhone SE released 
> this year comes with iOS 13.4.1.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 1:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: voice over instability
> 
> did I really write SC or SZ, I know it is an SE. And you're right I do have 
> the most recent update. I wasthinking that the 6S has yet another update I 
> could graduate to but I don't think I'm going to do that because I'll 
> probably have the same problems I'm having on the New phone which I was very 
> eagerly awaiting to purchase. I succeeded here in properly writing SE as in 
> Sam and elephant! 
> Thanks all.
> deidre
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 11, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Dave  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Deidre. iOS 13.4.1, is the latest update.
>> 
>> Also, i think you mean, the iPhone SE, not SC.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: deidre muccio
>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 8:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: voice over instability
>> 
>>> Richard, I am indeed using the new SC with 13.4.1. There's one more update 
>>> I could do. I don't didn't have any trouble with the success using an issue 
>>> even earlier version of 13. I think part of the problem when writing a 
>>> message you're trying to edit something in a Gmail mail message, is that I 
>>> am activating inadvertently the text formatting or all those things that 
>>> try and insert themselves like do you want to insert a picture or do you 
>>> want to do some kind of text formatting and then it just throws me just the 
>>> whole voiceover thing no longer is working with the text that I had started 
>>> writing. And like just now I'm dictating this for a second time. Somehow it 
>>> just got deleted, the whole message. i'm afraid to even go back and try and 
>>> edit this now for fear it's going to do something quirky all over again. So 
>>> please excuse the errors in this message. God how I miss my PC and outlook 
>>> which I am responsible for corrupting after trying to delete 27,000 
>>> messages or at least go through 27,000 messages to get rid of the things 
>>> that were hidden in an unread folder t

RE: voice over instability

[Richard Turner]

What you wrote was that you bought a cheap 6S, running 13.3.2.
If it is the old iPhone SE, then there is no number in the model name.
It is just an iPhone SE; plain and simple.
Apple confused everyone when they didn't use a number for the SE model and I 
gather SE may have stood for Special Edition in house at Apple.

Likewise, the new iPhone SE has no number really; but is often referred to as 
the iPhone SE 2020 to help distinguish it from the old iPhone SE.

So, a 6S and SE are not the same animal.  However, to confuse things even 
further, the SE has the same internal hardware and processing chip as the 6S; 
but is the size of the 5S.

And before anyone jumps in to say the iPhone X didn't have a number; it does, 
the X is the Roman numeral for 10.

So, I suspect you now have the old iPhone SE since the new iPhone SE released 
this year comes with iOS 13.4.1.





Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over instability

did I really write SC or SZ, I know it is an SE. And you're right I do have the 
most recent update. I wasthinking that the 6S has yet another update I could 
graduate to but I don't think I'm going to do that because I'll probably have 
the same problems I'm having on the New phone which I was very eagerly awaiting 
to purchase. I succeeded here in properly writing SE as in Sam and elephant! 
Thanks all.
deidre


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 11, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> Hi Deidre. iOS 13.4.1, is the latest update.
> 
> Also, i think you mean, the iPhone SE, not SC.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: deidre muccio
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 8:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: voice over instability
> 
>> Richard, I am indeed using the new SC with 13.4.1. There's one more update I 
>> could do. I don't didn't have any trouble with the success using an issue 
>> even earlier version of 13. I think part of the problem when writing a 
>> message you're trying to edit something in a Gmail mail message, is that I 
>> am activating inadvertently the text formatting or all those things that try 
>> and insert themselves like do you want to insert a picture or do you want to 
>> do some kind of text formatting and then it just throws me just the whole 
>> voiceover thing no longer is working with the text that I had started 
>> writing. And like just now I'm dictating this for a second time. Somehow it 
>> just got deleted, the whole message. i'm afraid to even go back and try and 
>> edit this now for fear it's going to do something quirky all over again. So 
>> please excuse the errors in this message. God how I miss my PC and outlook 
>> which I am responsible for corrupting after trying to delete 27,000 messages 
>> or at least go through 27,000 messages to get rid of the things that were 
>> hidden in an unread folder that were copies of other things that I have long 
>> since deleted. My mistake.
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Re: voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

did I really write SC or SZ, I know it is an SE. And you're right I do have the 
most recent update. I wasthinking that the 6S has yet another update I could 
graduate to but I don't think I'm going to do that because I'll probably have 
the same problems I'm having on the New phone which I was very eagerly awaiting 
to purchase. I succeeded here in properly writing SE as in Sam and elephant! 
Thanks all.
deidre


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 11, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> Hi Deidre. iOS 13.4.1, is the latest update.
> 
> Also, i think you mean, the iPhone SE, not SC.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: deidre muccio
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 8:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: voice over instability
> 
>> Richard, I am indeed using the new SC with 13.4.1. There's one more update I 
>> could do. I don't didn't have any trouble with the success using an issue 
>> even earlier version of 13. I think part of the problem when writing a 
>> message you're trying to edit something in a Gmail mail message, is that I 
>> am activating inadvertently the text formatting or all those things that try 
>> and insert themselves like do you want to insert a picture or do you want to 
>> do some kind of text formatting and then it just throws me just the whole 
>> voiceover thing no longer is working with the text that I had started 
>> writing. And like just now I'm dictating this for a second time. Somehow it 
>> just got deleted, the whole message. i'm afraid to even go back and try and 
>> edit this now for fear it's going to do something quirky all over again. So 
>> please excuse the errors in this message. God how I miss my PC and outlook 
>> which I am responsible for corrupting after trying to delete 27,000 messages 
>> or at least go through 27,000 messages to get rid of the things that were 
>> hidden in an unread folder that were copies of other things that I have long 
>> since deleted. My mistake.
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Re: voice over instability

[Dave]

Hi Deidre. iOS 13.4.1, is the latest update.

Also, i think you mean, the iPhone SE, not SC.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: deidre muccio

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 8:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over instability

Richard, I am indeed using the new SC with 13.4.1. There's one more update 
I could do. I don't didn't have any trouble with the success using an 
issue even earlier version of 13. I think part of the problem when writing 
a message you're trying to edit something in a Gmail mail message, is that 
I am activating inadvertently the text formatting or all those things that 
try and insert themselves like do you want to insert a picture or do you 
want to do some kind of text formatting and then it just throws me just 
the whole voiceover thing no longer is working with the text that I had 
started writing. And like just now I'm dictating this for a second time. 
Somehow it just got deleted, the whole message. i'm afraid to even go back 
and try and edit this now for fear it's going to do something quirky all 
over again. So please excuse the errors in this message. God how I miss my 
PC and outlook which I am responsible for corrupting after trying to 
delete 27,000 messages or at least go through 27,000 messages to get rid 
of the things that were hidden in an unread folder that were copies of 
other things that I have long since deleted. My mistake.


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Re: voice over instability

[Arnold Schmidt]

Sorry about that, Richard, I thought I had added my reply to the correct 
message. And, I thought Deidre was talking about the new,  just received SE. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six

On May 11, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Arnold,
I'm not clear who you are addressing in your message.
Deidre is using an iPhone 6s, while considering a new phone, possibly the new 
SE.
If you are talking about the new iPhone SE, I'm certainly not having any issues 
with it, and Deidre doesn't have the SE, but is dealing with the 6s issues 
and/or iOS 13 issues.
I personally love the new SE.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


> On May 11, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
>  Being that most, if not all, the people who have gotten these phones have 
> liked them, I wonder if there is something wrong with the particular one you 
> got? It is so out of character with the way the other users describe their 
> experiences. Even if they do a diagnostic on it, it may not pick up what is 
> wrong with it. If I get one, and it truly is tempting, I am going to wait 
> unteal I can go to the Apple store to get it, for reasons such as this. In 
> your case, no telling what it will take to return it, get another one, etc. 
> But it just sounds like to me that there is something wrong with that 
> particular one. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
> 
> On May 11, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe you did, but the wording of your message had me thinking you were using 
> the Gmail app, not the Apple mail app.
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>> On May 11, 2020, at 11:17 AM, deidre muccio  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I 
>> thought that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from 
>> my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on 
>>> web pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it 
>>> comes out.
>>> If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue 
>>> finding all these issues in mail.
>>> The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
>>> You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, 
>>> Passwords and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
>>> Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
>>> it just stops you from enjoying the good."
>>> 
>>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
>>> www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio  
 wrote:
 
 Hello all,
>   Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 
> with IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out 
> what features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice 
> over problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the 
> other end of the line could see what was happening on my screen in real 
> time.
>   Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, 
> which did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with 
> Seeri which has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold 
> star in my book. The screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped 
> working quite some time ago, and some sounds and notifications were no 
> longer spoken, even though the actual function of receiving and sending 
> calls and mail and messages continued to work just fine. 
>   I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the 
> interim before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if 
> the 6S with 13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 
> is driving me crazy.  
> One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone 
> as I did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit 
> messages. I get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, 
> insert a picture, and other things others must also be seeing, at least 
> if they are using gmail on their SE's. I often cannot back space 
> character by character to read or delete text, or select text in any 
> block. This can be true for rereading text as well where I get thrown all 
> over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere other than where I 
> am reading from, or where voice over lead me to believe I was. I 
>

Re: voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

> Richard, I am indeed using the new SC with 13.4.1. There's one more update I 
> could do. I don't didn't have any trouble with the success using an issue 
> even earlier version of 13. I think part of the problem when writing a 
> message you're trying to edit something in a Gmail mail message, is that I am 
> activating inadvertently the text formatting or all those things that try and 
> insert themselves like do you want to insert a picture or do you want to do 
> some kind of text formatting and then it just throws me just the whole 
> voiceover thing no longer is working with the text that I had started 
> writing. And like just now I'm dictating this for a second time. Somehow it 
> just got deleted, the whole message. i'm afraid to even go back and try and 
> edit this now for fear it's going to do something quirky all over again. So 
> please excuse the errors in this message. God how I miss my PC and outlook 
> which I am responsible for corrupting after trying to delete 27,000 messages 
> or at least go through 27,000 messages to get rid of the things that were 
> hidden in an unread folder that were copies of other things that I have long 
> since deleted. My mistake.

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Re: voice over instability

[Richard Turner]

Arnold,
I'm not clear who you are addressing in your message.
Deidre is using an iPhone 6s, while considering a new phone, possibly the new 
SE.
If you are talking about the new iPhone SE, I'm certainly not having any issues 
with it, and Deidre doesn't have the SE, but is dealing with the 6s issues 
and/or iOS 13 issues.
I personally love the new SE.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 11, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

 Being that most, if not all, the people who have gotten these phones have 
liked them, I wonder if there is something wrong with the particular one you 
got? It is so out of character with the way the other users describe their 
experiences. Even if they do a diagnostic on it, it may not pick up what is 
wrong with it. If I get one, and it truly is tempting, I am going to wait 
unteal I can go to the Apple store to get it, for reasons such as this. In your 
case, no telling what it will take to return it, get another one, etc. But it 
just sounds like to me that there is something wrong with that particular one.

Arnold Schmidt


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six

On May 11, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Maybe you did, but the wording of your message had me thinking you were using 
the Gmail app, not the Apple mail app.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 11, 2020, at 11:17 AM, deidre muccio 
mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I thought 
that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from my iPhone

On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

 First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web 
pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes out.
If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue finding 
all these issues in mail.
The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, Passwords 
and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio 
mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello all,
  Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 with 
IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out what 
features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice over 
problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the other end of 
the line could see what was happening on my screen in real time.
  Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, which 
did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with Seeri which 
has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold star in my book. The 
screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped working quite some time 
ago, and some sounds and notifications were no longer spoken, even though the 
actual function of receiving and sending calls and mail and messages continued 
to work just fine.
  I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S with 
13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is driving me crazy.
One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as I 
did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit messages. I 
get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, insert a picture, and 
other things others must also be seeing, at least if they are using gmail on 
their SE's. I often cannot back space character by character to read or delete 
text, or select text in any block. This can be true for rereading text as well 
where I get thrown all over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere 
other than where I am reading

Re: voice over instability

[Arnold Schmidt]

Being that most, if not all, the people who have gotten these phones have liked 
them, I wonder if there is something wrong with the particular one you got? It 
is so out of character with the way the other users describe their experiences. 
Even if they do a diagnostic on it, it may not pick up what is wrong with it. 
If I get one, and it truly is tempting, I am going to wait unteal I can go to 
the Apple store to get it, for reasons such as this. In your case, no telling 
what it will take to return it, get another one, etc. But it just sounds like 
to me that there is something wrong with that particular one. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six

On May 11, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Maybe you did, but the wording of your message had me thinking you were using 
the Gmail app, not the Apple mail app.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


> On May 11, 2020, at 11:17 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
>  what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I 
> thought that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from 
> my iPhone
> 
>> On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web 
>> pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes 
>> out.
>> If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue 
>> finding all these issues in mail.
>> The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
>> You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, 
>> Passwords and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
>> Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
>> it just stops you from enjoying the good."
>> 
>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
>> www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
   Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 
 with IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out 
 what features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice 
 over problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the 
 other end of the line could see what was happening on my screen in real 
 time.
   Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, 
 which did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with 
 Seeri which has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold 
 star in my book. The screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped 
 working quite some time ago, and some sounds and notifications were no 
 longer spoken, even though the actual function of receiving and sending 
 calls and mail and messages continued to work just fine. 
   I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
 before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S 
 with 13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is 
 driving me crazy.  
 One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as 
 I did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit 
 messages. I get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, 
 insert a picture, and other things others must also be seeing, at least if 
 they are using gmail on their SE's. I often cannot back space character by 
 character to read or delete text, or select text in any block. This can be 
 true for rereading text as well where I get thrown all over the place and 
 the cursor, seems to be somewhere other than where I am reading from, or 
 where voice over lead me to believe I was. I sometimes suspect it might be 
 trying to correct something even though I have all that turned off. 
 Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all 
 the time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether 
 it be on Facebook or in any other App.
 The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari 
 which is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the 
 fault of the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice 
 over told me that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in 
 my search criteria, I was bounced all over the place. This happened on the 
 Hadley site which is a learning tools service for the Blind. What the 
 person at the other end of the phone line saw was that I was not in an 
 edit field at all, but that I was in a green box with nothing in it. 
 Another time, when vo told I was in

Re: voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

Richard, no I'm not using the Gmail app. Some of the apps really streamlined 
some of those things that I really like to use, and some don't work well at 
all. So no I only did it the way you suggested and I'm still getting all kinds 
of weird editing issues. Who knows, maybe things will settle down soon. I hope 
so.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 11, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  Maybe you did, but the wording of your message had me thinking you were 
> using the Gmail app, not the Apple mail app.
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 11, 2020, at 11:17 AM, deidre muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>  what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I 
>> thought that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from 
>> my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on 
>>> web pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it 
>>> comes out.
>>> If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue 
>>> finding all these issues in mail.
>>> The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
>>> You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, 
>>> Passwords and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
>>> Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
>>> it just stops you from enjoying the good."
>>> 
>>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
>>> www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio  
 wrote:
 
 Hello all,
>   Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 
> with IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out 
> what features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice 
> over problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the 
> other end of the line could see what was happening on my screen in real 
> time.
>   Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, 
> which did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with 
> Seeri which has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold 
> star in my book. The screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped 
> working quite some time ago, and some sounds and notifications were no 
> longer spoken, even though the actual function of receiving and sending 
> calls and mail and messages continued to work just fine. 
>   I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the 
> interim before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if 
> the 6S with 13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 
> is driving me crazy.  
> One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone 
> as I did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit 
> messages. I get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, 
> insert a picture, and other things others must also be seeing, at least 
> if they are using gmail on their SE's. I often cannot back space 
> character by character to read or delete text, or select text in any 
> block. This can be true for rereading text as well where I get thrown all 
> over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere other than where I 
> am reading from, or where voice over lead me to believe I was. I 
> sometimes suspect it might be trying to correct something even though I 
> have all that turned off. 
> Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all 
> the time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether 
> it be on Facebook or in any other App.
> The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari 
> which is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the 
> fault of the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice 
> over told me that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in 
> my search criteria, I was bounced all over the place. This happened on 
> the Hadley site which is a learning tools service for the Blind. What the 
> person at the other end of the phone line saw was that I was not in an 
> edit field at all, but that I was in a green box with nothing in it. 
> Another time, when vo told I was in an edit field where I could type, the 
> accessibility guy said that I was actually on a picture of a woman.
> I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day 
> doing many of

Re: voice over instability

[Richard Turner]

Maybe you did, but the wording of your message had me thinking you were using 
the Gmail app, not the Apple mail app.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 11, 2020, at 11:17 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:

 what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I thought 
that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from my iPhone

On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web 
pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes out.
If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue finding 
all these issues in mail.
The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, Passwords 
and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:

Hello all,
  Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 with 
IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out what 
features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice over 
problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the other end of 
the line could see what was happening on my screen in real time.
  Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, which 
did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with Seeri which 
has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold star in my book. The 
screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped working quite some time 
ago, and some sounds and notifications were no longer spoken, even though the 
actual function of receiving and sending calls and mail and messages continued 
to work just fine.
  I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S with 
13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is driving me crazy.
One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as I 
did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit messages. I 
get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, insert a picture, and 
other things others must also be seeing, at least if they are using gmail on 
their SE's. I often cannot back space character by character to read or delete 
text, or select text in any block. This can be true for rereading text as well 
where I get thrown all over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere 
other than where I am reading from, or where voice over lead me to believe I 
was. I sometimes suspect it might be trying to correct something even though I 
have all that turned off.
Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all the 
time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether it be on 
Facebook or in any other App.
The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari which 
is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the fault of 
the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice over told me 
that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in my search criteria, 
I was bounced all over the place. This happened on the Hadley site which is a 
learning tools service for the Blind. What the person at the other end of the 
phone line saw was that I was not in an edit field at all, but that I was in a 
green box with nothing in it. Another time, when vo told I was in an edit field 
where I could type, the accessibility guy said that I was actually on a picture 
of a woman.
I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day doing 
many of the things I've been doing for years using some of the same web sites 
and mail programs. Has Hadley gone that far down the tubes in terms of their 
web design? Or why are those speech codes no longer shared, or working when 
they did with other versions of IOS? Is this by deliberate design? If it is, my 
days as a consumer of Apple products may be over when it comes time to get a 
new phone.
  Can anyone please tell me what about all this is correct and what might not 
be? For one thing, I guess I'd better go back and select voice over to speak 
all images it encounters rather than just the labelled ones, so maybe voice 
over won't confuse where I am and speak something that isn't true. I am also 
violently opposed to using Apple mail or web mail, so I'm stuck there too 
unless I change my mind about it.
I'm ready to

Re: voice over instability

[deidre muccio]

what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I thought 
that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from my iPhone

> On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web 
> pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes 
> out.
> If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue 
> finding all these issues in mail.
> The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
> You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, 
> Passwords and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
> Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> Hello all,
>>>   Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 
>>> with IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out 
>>> what features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice 
>>> over problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the 
>>> other end of the line could see what was happening on my screen in real 
>>> time.
>>>   Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, 
>>> which did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with 
>>> Seeri which has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold star 
>>> in my book. The screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped working 
>>> quite some time ago, and some sounds and notifications were no longer 
>>> spoken, even though the actual function of receiving and sending calls and 
>>> mail and messages continued to work just fine.
>>>   I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
>>> before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S 
>>> with 13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is driving 
>>> me crazy.  
>>> One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as 
>>> I did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit 
>>> messages. I get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, insert 
>>> a picture, and other things others must also be seeing, at least if they 
>>> are using gmail on their SE's. I often cannot back space character by 
>>> character to read or delete text, or select text in any block. This can be 
>>> true for rereading text as well where I get thrown all over the place and 
>>> the cursor, seems to be somewhere other than where I am reading from, or 
>>> where voice over lead me to believe I was. I sometimes suspect it might be 
>>> trying to correct something even though I have all that turned off. 
>>> Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all 
>>> the time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether 
>>> it be on Facebook or in any other App.
>>> The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari 
>>> which is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the 
>>> fault of the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice 
>>> over told me that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in my 
>>> search criteria, I was bounced all over the place. This happened on the 
>>> Hadley site which is a learning tools service for the Blind. What the 
>>> person at the other end of the phone line saw was that I was not in an edit 
>>> field at all, but that I was in a green box with nothing in it. Another 
>>> time, when vo told I was in an edit field where I could type, the 
>>> accessibility guy said that I was actually on a picture of a woman.
>>> I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day 
>>> doing many of the things I've been doing for years using some of the same 
>>> web sites and mail programs. Has Hadley gone that far down the tubes in 
>>> terms of their web design? Or why are those speech codes no longer shared, 
>>> or working when they did with other versions of IOS? Is this by deliberate 
>>> design? If it is, my days as a consumer of Apple products may be over when 
>>> it comes time to get a new phone. 
>>>   Can anyone please tell me what about all this is correct and what might 
>>> not be? For one thing, I guess I'd better go back and select voice over to 
>>> speak all images it encounters rather than just the labelled ones, so maybe 
>>> voice over won't confuse where I am and speak something that isn't true. I 
>>> am also violently opposed to using Apple mail or web mail, so I'm stuck 
>>> there too unless I change my mind about it.
>>> I'm ready to get rid of this phone.
>>> 
>>> Deidre
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following

Re: voice over instability

[Richard Turner]

First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web 
pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes out.
If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue finding 
all these issues in mail.
The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, Passwords 
and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

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On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:

Hello all,
  Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 with 
IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out what 
features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice over 
problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the other end of 
the line could see what was happening on my screen in real time.
  Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, which 
did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with Seeri which 
has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold star in my book. The 
screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped working quite some time 
ago, and some sounds and notifications were no longer spoken, even though the 
actual function of receiving and sending calls and mail and messages continued 
to work just fine.
  I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S with 
13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is driving me crazy.
One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as I 
did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit messages. I 
get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, insert a picture, and 
other things others must also be seeing, at least if they are using gmail on 
their SE's. I often cannot back space character by character to read or delete 
text, or select text in any block. This can be true for rereading text as well 
where I get thrown all over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere 
other than where I am reading from, or where voice over lead me to believe I 
was. I sometimes suspect it might be trying to correct something even though I 
have all that turned off.
Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all the 
time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether it be on 
Facebook or in any other App.
The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari which 
is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the fault of 
the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice over told me 
that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in my search criteria, 
I was bounced all over the place. This happened on the Hadley site which is a 
learning tools service for the Blind. What the person at the other end of the 
phone line saw was that I was not in an edit field at all, but that I was in a 
green box with nothing in it. Another time, when vo told I was in an edit field 
where I could type, the accessibility guy said that I was actually on a picture 
of a woman.
I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day doing 
many of the things I've been doing for years using some of the same web sites 
and mail programs. Has Hadley gone that far down the tubes in terms of their 
web design? Or why are those speech codes no longer shared, or working when 
they did with other versions of IOS? Is this by deliberate design? If it is, my 
days as a consumer of Apple products may be over when it comes time to get a 
new phone.
  Can anyone please tell me what about all this is correct and what might not 
be? For one thing, I guess I'd better go back and select voice over to speak 
all images it encounters rather than just the labelled ones, so maybe voice 
over won't confuse where I am and speak something that isn't true. I am also 
violently opposed to using Apple mail or web mail, so I'm stuck there too 
unless I change my mind about it.
I'm ready to get rid of this phone.

Deidre

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