Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
I'm downloading 8.2 as I write this. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:30 PM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver I think that Apple does care about accessibility. Otherwise, Voice-Over would not exist. I feel that they should have waited until a lot of the bugs were fixed before releasing this firmware update. It could be that, like a lot of corporations, they set and announce a deadline, and then, regardless of the quality, the long awaited product is released, and fixed later. I feel that this is not a good business practice. Then again, corporate logic is certainly an oxymoron. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:29 PM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do. On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view
Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Let me correct that. It's 8.0.2. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:59 AM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver I'm downloading 8.2 as I write this. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:30 PM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver I think that Apple does care about accessibility. Otherwise, Voice-Over would not exist. I feel that they should have waited until a lot of the bugs were fixed before releasing this firmware update. It could be that, like a lot of corporations, they set and announce a deadline, and then, regardless of the quality, the long awaited product is released, and fixed later. I feel that this is not a good business practice. Then again, corporate logic is certainly an oxymoron. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:29 PM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side
Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
The issue is not whether they are concerned about accessibility, it's obvious that they are. It goes much deeper, this really has nothing to do with accessibility directly, it's a quality control issue. The operating system simply was not tested enough before release. As far as android, it's just as useable as IOS, but is definitely a different platform, I like both platforms, but for different reasons. Is one better than the other? I don't think so, they're just different. Original message: Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do. On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running
Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
If you are a braille user, clearly android is not as far along as I hope S. As for just as usable that is clearly in the mind of the user, which, I suppose, is how it should be. There is a recently released version of talkback which I have not had time to mess with, as I have been in guy dog school, which is rather intense. But, unless they have found new ways of streamlining access to key features such as read all, I would not say it is as usable as I OS, even for simple things. Like Mike, there are things I like about android, such as the many voices you can get to use in all your apps. Before making the switch from iOS to android, or vice versa for that matter, it is good to try to get as much knowledge as you can and then make the decision. I have an android tablet. I use it mostly for reading books. I use iOS for everything else that I do portably. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2014, at 6:52 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: The issue is not whether they are concerned about accessibility, it's obvious that they are. It goes much deeper, this really has nothing to do with accessibility directly, it's a quality control issue. The operating system simply was not tested enough before release. As far as android, it's just as useable as IOS, but is definitely a different platform, I like both platforms, but for different reasons. Is one better than the other? I don't think so, they're just different. Original message: Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do. On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap
Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
The only way Mobile Platforms are going to improve, in my opinion, is if people offer constructive criticism on how to make their experience better on said Mobile Platform whether it be Microsoft's WP (Windows), Google's Android, and/or Apple's iOS. Personally, I like the similarities differences between them all as a non-biased MobilePhone (Mobile Platform) user. I dabble in each Mobile Arena to explore their features. Why is Apple receiving criticism concerning its latest iOS release, I think it is based on its reputation of providing a smooth experience, and I presume people aren't able to receive that smooth experience with iOS8. Thus, the criticism. As for Apple caring about accessibility, I beg to differ especially if the Blind LowVision Beta Testers reported perceived bugs and/or flaws during the Beta Testing Phase in a timely manner so as to allow Apple to resolve these flaws and/or bugs prior to iOS8's Official Release (September 17TH). Just Sayin' At 06:52 AM 9/26/2014, you wrote: The issue is not whether they are concerned about accessibility, it's obvious that they are. It goes much deeper, this really has nothing to do with accessibility directly, it's a quality control issue. The operating system simply was not tested enough before release. As far as android, it's just as useable as IOS, but is definitely a different platform, I like both platforms, but for different reasons. Is one better than the other? I don't think so, they're just different. Original message: Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do. On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple
RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with Voiceover
I have one of the iPad mini units, got it last summer so, will it work with this handoff mode? I have not backed it up on this particular computer but when I do and establish everything can I use this feature. Speaking of the iPad mini, when I get Facebook messages they always go there and to my phone much later. I only wish that I did not have to hear every time someone post a photo! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:32 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Lol! That will be part of the handoff feature in iOS 8. This allows calls to be made and received from any device running iOS 8 including iPad and iPod Touch as well as Macs running Yosemite coming soon. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 25 Sep 2014, at 18:00, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance
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I know that at least one tester on this list has said that the web page to report bugs was, for the most part, not accessible. This would greatly hamper the reporting process during testing. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Robin robin-mel...@comcast.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:13 AM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver The only way Mobile Platforms are going to improve, in my opinion, is if people offer constructive criticism on how to make their experience better on said Mobile Platform whether it be Microsoft's WP (Windows), Google's Android, and/or Apple's iOS. Personally, I like the similarities differences between them all as a non-biased MobilePhone (Mobile Platform) user. I dabble in each Mobile Arena to explore their features. Why is Apple receiving criticism concerning its latest iOS release, I think it is based on its reputation of providing a smooth experience, and I presume people aren't able to receive that smooth experience with iOS8. Thus, the criticism. As for Apple caring about accessibility, I beg to differ especially if the Blind LowVision Beta Testers reported perceived bugs and/or flaws during the Beta Testing Phase in a timely manner so as to allow Apple to resolve these flaws and/or bugs prior to iOS8's Official Release (September 17TH). Just Sayin' At 06:52 AM 9/26/2014, you wrote: The issue is not whether they are concerned about accessibility, it's obvious that they are. It goes much deeper, this really has nothing to do with accessibility directly, it's a quality control issue. The operating system simply was not tested enough before release. As far as android, it's just as useable as IOS, but is definitely a different platform, I like both platforms, but for different reasons. Is one better than the other? I don't think so, they're just different. Original message: Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do. On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part
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Unbelievable. Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 26, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I know that at least one tester on this list has said that the web page to report bugs was, for the most part, not accessible. This would greatly hamper the reporting process during testing. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Robin robin-mel...@comcast.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:13 AM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver The only way Mobile Platforms are going to improve, in my opinion, is if people offer constructive criticism on how to make their experience better on said Mobile Platform whether it be Microsoft's WP (Windows), Google's Android, and/or Apple's iOS. Personally, I like the similarities differences between them all as a non-biased MobilePhone (Mobile Platform) user. I dabble in each Mobile Arena to explore their features. Why is Apple receiving criticism concerning its latest iOS release, I think it is based on its reputation of providing a smooth experience, and I presume people aren't able to receive that smooth experience with iOS8. Thus, the criticism. As for Apple caring about accessibility, I beg to differ especially if the Blind LowVision Beta Testers reported perceived bugs and/or flaws during the Beta Testing Phase in a timely manner so as to allow Apple to resolve these flaws and/or bugs prior to iOS8's Official Release (September 17TH). Just Sayin' At 06:52 AM 9/26/2014, you wrote: The issue is not whether they are concerned about accessibility, it's obvious that they are. It goes much deeper, this really has nothing to do with accessibility directly, it's a quality control issue. The operating system simply was not tested enough before release. As far as android, it's just as useable as IOS, but is definitely a different platform, I like both platforms, but for different reasons. Is one better than the other? I don't think so, they're just different. Original message: Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something
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That is not true. The bug reporting page is accessible, but takes practice to use. On Friday, September 26, 2014 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, Charles Rivard wrote: I know that at least one tester on this list has said that the web page to report bugs was, for the most part, not accessible. This would greatly hamper the reporting process during testing. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Robin robin-...@comcast.net javascript: To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:13 AM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver The only way Mobile Platforms are going to improve, in my opinion, is if people offer constructive criticism on how to make their experience better on said Mobile Platform whether it be Microsoft's WP (Windows), Google's Android, and/or Apple's iOS. Personally, I like the similarities differences between them all as a non-biased MobilePhone (Mobile Platform) user. I dabble in each Mobile Arena to explore their features. Why is Apple receiving criticism concerning its latest iOS release, I think it is based on its reputation of providing a smooth experience, and I presume people aren't able to receive that smooth experience with iOS8. Thus, the criticism. As for Apple caring about accessibility, I beg to differ especially if the Blind LowVision Beta Testers reported perceived bugs and/or flaws during the Beta Testing Phase in a timely manner so as to allow Apple to resolve these flaws and/or bugs prior to iOS8's Official Release (September 17TH). Just Sayin' At 06:52 AM 9/26/2014, you wrote: The issue is not whether they are concerned about accessibility, it's obvious that they are. It goes much deeper, this really has nothing to do with accessibility directly, it's a quality control issue. The operating system simply was not tested enough before release. As far as android, it's just as useable as IOS, but is definitely a different platform, I like both platforms, but for different reasons. Is one better than the other? I don't think so, they're just different. Original message: Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, jo...@macfortheblind.com javascript: Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler brianf...@me.com javascript: wrote: I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple
RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
What is accessible for you? The tool that allows to access something that is not accessible on a normal way? Ok, we should say them, the web site for report bugs is not blind friendly. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bhad...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver That is not true. The bug reporting page is accessible, but takes practice to use. On Friday, September 26, 2014 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, Charles Rivard wrote: I know that at least one tester on this list has said that the web page to report bugs was, for the most part, not accessible. This would greatly hamper the reporting process during testing. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Robin robin-...@comcast.net javascript: To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:13 AM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver The only way Mobile Platforms are going to improve, in my opinion, is if people offer constructive criticism on how to make their experience better on said Mobile Platform whether it be Microsoft's WP (Windows), Google's Android, and/or Apple's iOS. Personally, I like the similarities differences between them all as a non-biased MobilePhone (Mobile Platform) user. I dabble in each Mobile Arena to explore their features. Why is Apple receiving criticism concerning its latest iOS release, I think it is based on its reputation of providing a smooth experience, and I presume people aren't able to receive that smooth experience with iOS8. Thus, the criticism. As for Apple caring about accessibility, I beg to differ especially if the Blind LowVision Beta Testers reported perceived bugs and/or flaws during the Beta Testing Phase in a timely manner so as to allow Apple to resolve these flaws and/or bugs prior to iOS8's Official Release (September 17TH). Just Sayin' At 06:52 AM 9/26/2014, you wrote: The issue is not whether they are concerned about accessibility, it's obvious that they are. It goes much deeper, this really has nothing to do with accessibility directly, it's a quality control issue. The operating system simply was not tested enough before release. As far as android, it's just as useable as IOS, but is definitely a different platform, I like both platforms, but for different reasons. Is one better than the other? I don't think so, they're just different. Original message: Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, jo...@macfortheblind.com javascript: Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler brianf...@me.com javascript: wrote: I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going
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Jonathan said that with a Mac and using Safari it is accessible. I am fairly experienced with Jaws and Internet Explorer and Firefox and I could not get past the screen where I had to select from a number of different topics/areas regarding what my bug report was referring to. If bhad...@gmail.com mailto:bhad...@gmail.com is using a PC, has a developer account and was able to make it work then that’s good for him. I could not and the point is that if I couldn’t make it work it’s definitely not easy or within the rhelm of what I would call “accessible. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bhad...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 1:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver That is not true. The bug reporting page is accessible, but takes practice to use. On Friday, September 26, 2014 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, Charles Rivard wrote: I know that at least one tester on this list has said that the web page to report bugs was, for the most part, not accessible. This would greatly hamper the reporting process during testing. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Robin robin-...@comcast.net javascript: To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:13 AM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver The only way Mobile Platforms are going to improve, in my opinion, is if people offer constructive criticism on how to make their experience better on said Mobile Platform whether it be Microsoft's WP (Windows), Google's Android, and/or Apple's iOS. Personally, I like the similarities differences between them all as a non-biased MobilePhone (Mobile Platform) user. I dabble in each Mobile Arena to explore their features. Why is Apple receiving criticism concerning its latest iOS release, I think it is based on its reputation of providing a smooth experience, and I presume people aren't able to receive that smooth experience with iOS8. Thus, the criticism. As for Apple caring about accessibility, I beg to differ especially if the Blind LowVision Beta Testers reported perceived bugs and/or flaws during the Beta Testing Phase in a timely manner so as to allow Apple to resolve these flaws and/or bugs prior to iOS8's Official Release (September 17TH). Just Sayin' At 06:52 AM 9/26/2014, you wrote: The issue is not whether they are concerned about accessibility, it's obvious that they are. It goes much deeper, this really has nothing to do with accessibility directly, it's a quality control issue. The operating system simply was not tested enough before release. As far as android, it's just as useable as IOS, but is definitely a different platform, I like both platforms, but for different reasons. Is one better than the other? I don't think so, they're just different. Original message: Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, jo...@macfortheblind.com javascript: Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian
RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Pablo, I am talking about the bug reporter page inside the Apple Developer Portal. You only have access to the developer portal if you pay $99 to have a developer account. This is where bug reports during the beta cycle are submitted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 1:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver What is accessible for you? The tool that allows to access something that is not accessible on a normal way? Ok, we should say them, the web site for report bugs is not blind friendly. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bhad...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver That is not true. The bug reporting page is accessible, but takes practice to use. On Friday, September 26, 2014 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, Charles Rivard wrote: I know that at least one tester on this list has said that the web page to report bugs was, for the most part, not accessible. This would greatly hamper the reporting process during testing. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Robin robin-...@comcast.net javascript: To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:13 AM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver The only way Mobile Platforms are going to improve, in my opinion, is if people offer constructive criticism on how to make their experience better on said Mobile Platform whether it be Microsoft's WP (Windows), Google's Android, and/or Apple's iOS. Personally, I like the similarities differences between them all as a non-biased MobilePhone (Mobile Platform) user. I dabble in each Mobile Arena to explore their features. Why is Apple receiving criticism concerning its latest iOS release, I think it is based on its reputation of providing a smooth experience, and I presume people aren't able to receive that smooth experience with iOS8. Thus, the criticism. As for Apple caring about accessibility, I beg to differ especially if the Blind LowVision Beta Testers reported perceived bugs and/or flaws during the Beta Testing Phase in a timely manner so as to allow Apple to resolve these flaws and/or bugs prior to iOS8's Official Release (September 17TH). Just Sayin' At 06:52 AM 9/26/2014, you wrote: The issue is not whether they are concerned about accessibility, it's obvious that they are. It goes much deeper, this really has nothing to do with accessibility directly, it's a quality control issue. The operating system simply was not tested enough before release. As far as android, it's just as useable as IOS, but is definitely a different platform, I like both platforms, but for different reasons. Is one better than the other? I don't think so, they're just different. Original message: Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, jo...@macfortheblind.com javascript: Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
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Yes, but you will enjoy a good device, a very expensive device, for a short period of time, because when the new release come, the story will start again. This is thepoint, we paid a lot of money for a new device, and we need, or we have to support bugs for months. With IOs7, happened the same thing, and IOs7 didn't have the number of bugs that IOs8 is getting. We have to wait for months until apple fix not all, but the most part of bugs related with accessibility or not related with it. Now, months later, a new release comes, and the story started again. In one or 2 months, a new IOs8 will come, but not fixing everything, and in cases, will bring another problems. And there we are, giving thanks to apple and kissing the floor that applewalked on. No way. One year ago, I said, apple needs to change this way of make business. They are abusing. But we will see what happen. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Well, while I don't disagree with you about what happened today, Apple and IOS 8 aren't complete crap, because despite the bugs, many of us upgraded to this. And most folks, while they're talking smack will still stay with Apple. And when they get it right, which you know they will, will fall in love with the beloved Apple all over again. Yup, that's the way it is! On 9/24/14, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM
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waw man, I would not say better ... I stopped to help the apple to solve the problems of vo because the apple never heard me. I never seen anything that I reported has been resolved ... apple has to solve the problems of bugs in vo with the same respect that solves the problems of sighted people .. the facts prove what you write ... and this is repeated in a vicious cycle of months and years ... we never use the iPhone with full responsibility. Congratulations for your courage to speak the truth ... we have to stop defending apple and show them that there must be more responsable in commitment assumed with the accessibility ... thanks for your words friend. cheers. Em 25/09/2014 10:34, Pablo Morales escreveu: Yes, but you will enjoy a good device, a very expensive device, for a short period of time, because when the new release come, the story will start again. This is thepoint, we paid a lot of money for a new device, and we need, or we have to support bugs for months. With IOs7, happened the same thing, and IOs7 didn't have the number of bugs that IOs8 is getting. We have to wait for months until apple fix not all, but the most part of bugs related with accessibility or not related with it. Now, months later, a new release comes, and the story started again. In one or 2 months, a new IOs8 will come, but not fixing everything, and in cases, will bring another problems. And there we are, giving thanks to apple and kissing the floor that applewalked on. No way. One year ago, I said, apple needs to change this way of make business. They are abusing. But we will see what happen. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Well, while I don't disagree with you about what happened today, Apple and IOS 8 aren't complete crap, because despite the bugs, many of us upgraded to this. And most folks, while they're talking smack will still stay with Apple. And when they get it right, which you know they will, will fall in love with the beloved Apple all over again. Yup, that's the way it is! On 9/24/14, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Ųyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone
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My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work
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Lol! That will be part of the handoff feature in iOS 8. This allows calls to be made and received from any device running iOS 8 including iPad and iPod Touch as well as Macs running Yosemite coming soon. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 25 Sep 2014, at 18:00, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping
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Make that 2 peoples opinions. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:16 PM Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is doin g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone
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Chris, I like this feature. My iPhone can be in the bed room on the other end of the house and I get a phone call. My iPad Air is here next to me on my desk. I now don't have to get up and run to the bed room and hope the caller doesn't hang up and that's assuming I even heard it ring in the first place. This is a 3 bedroom 2 bath house so it's isn't a small house so I love this feature. As a side note, I installed iOS 8 but hadn't finished reading through all the new features. I got a phone call and my iPad Air rang. On the screen was an answer button so I double tapped it and started talking to my daughter. I explained what happened and she got a chuckle out of it so for me it works pretty well. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth To: Viphone Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:31 AM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Lol! That will be part of the handoff feature in iOS 8. This allows calls to be made and received from any device running iOS 8 including iPad and iPod Touch as well as Macs running Yosemite coming soon. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 25 Sep 2014, at 18:00, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home
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It is something that I really like. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Chris, I like this feature. My iPhone can be in the bed room on the other end of the house and I get a phone call. My iPad Air is here next to me on my desk. I now don't have to get up and run to the bed room and hope the caller doesn't hang up and that's assuming I even heard it ring in the first place. This is a 3 bedroom 2 bath house so it's isn't a small house so I love this feature. As a side note, I installed iOS 8 but hadn't finished reading through all the new features. I got a phone call and my iPad Air rang. On the screen was an answer button so I double tapped it and started talking to my daughter. I explained what happened and she got a chuckle out of it so for me it works pretty well. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth mailto:challswor...@icloud.com To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:31 AM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Lol! That will be part of the handoff feature in iOS 8. This allows calls to be made and received from any device running iOS 8 including iPad and iPod Touch as well as Macs running Yosemite coming soon. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 25 Sep 2014, at 18:00, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set
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I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do. On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take
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Brian, I'm not trying to defend Apple at all and don't have any relatives working there. But for you to generalize and say the entire update is a bunch of crap--that's what I have a problem with. Indeed, there are some good features in this app. That's all I was saying. I do see your frustration and agree with you on some things. I haven't taken anything personally, but I won't reply anymore to this topic, unless I see a need though. Thanks! Sharonda On 9/25/14, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do. On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest
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Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do. On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret
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I can receive calls from the iPhone 4S but am unable to make any. I set everything that seemed to need to be set but guess since this is actually a phone and not an iPad or iPod, it works somewhat differently. Ann - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth To: Viphone Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Lol! That will be part of the handoff feature in iOS 8. This allows calls to be made and received from any device running iOS 8 including iPad and iPod Touch as well as Macs running Yosemite coming soon. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 25 Sep 2014, at 18:00, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Ųyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote
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I think that Apple does care about accessibility. Otherwise, Voice-Over would not exist. I feel that they should have waited until a lot of the bugs were fixed before releasing this firmware update. It could be that, like a lot of corporations, they set and announce a deadline, and then, regardless of the quality, the long awaited product is released, and fixed later. I feel that this is not a good business practice. Then again, corporate logic is certainly an oxymoron. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:29 PM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot of fun ... The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they are looking for the gold standard, this was not a step in that direction for sure. However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas. I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do. On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap
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If you don't have cell service, what number are people calling to contact you? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:00 PM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping
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What a lot of people are objecting to is not your complaints about iOS8. I, for one, don't know any Apple employees or employers. But your blanket statement that iOS8 being total crap is both offensive and absolutely untrue. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:10 PM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do. On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Ųyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest
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But, why but statements are offensive for you? This is an opinion of a member of the list, about IOs8, no about you. This member has enough reasons why is saying that IOs8 is what ever. But this member is talking about IOs8, not about you. Relax, and try to be on his shoes. Think for a few minutes, that apple products are very expensive, maybe so much expensive, and when you pay a lot of money, you expect high quality, and not what is happening with IOs8 with blind people, and sighted people. Or do you think that we are only who is calling apple with problems about IOs8. No, is not only the blind community who is calling apple. Apple is getting a very hard time with this IOs release. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver What a lot of people are objecting to is not your complaints about iOS8. I, for one, don't know any Apple employees or employers. But your blanket statement that iOS8 being total crap is both offensive and absolutely untrue. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:10 PM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do. On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie sooneran...@att.net wrote: My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL Ann - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Ųyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset
RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is doin g, never
Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Well, while I don't disagree with you about what happened today, Apple and IOS 8 aren't complete crap, because despite the bugs, many of us upgraded to this. And most folks, while they're talking smack will still stay with Apple. And when they get it right, which you know they will, will fall in love with the beloved Apple all over again. Yup, that's the way it is! On 9/24/14, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its
RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Well, I am so glad I saw this coming based on last year's experience. That's why I didn't upgrade yet and why I probably will wait at least to the release of 8.1. Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Well, while I don't disagree with you about what happened today, Apple and IOS 8 aren't complete crap, because despite the bugs, many of us upgraded to this. And most folks, while they're talking smack will still stay with Apple. And when they get it right, which you know they will, will fall in love with the beloved Apple all over again. Yup, that's the way it is! On 9/24/14, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out
