Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Deb, it's just another app in this regard and it is also enabled for the new 
iOS 8 family sharing.
Bonnie and I share an account and I was able to put it on her phone without 
issues.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 19/09/2014, at 4:02 am, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it
> available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to
> upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 5S
> if it has unlimited installations as most do.
> 
> On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>> What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish
>> and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the
>> reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i
>> know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-)
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell :
>>> 
>>> I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is
>>> pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix
>>> bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background.
>>> The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Eileen;
 
 I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
 
 If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
 
 
 Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi >>> > wrote:
 
> Hello Jonathan,
> 
> Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm
> going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I
> will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest
> in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus,
> it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to
> the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can
> also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because
> of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if
> your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of
> stand.
> 
> Thanks so much for your first impressions.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G  > wrote:
> 
>> It is now available on the app store to download.
>> 
>> 
>>  Regards, Feliciano
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Like my Facebook page:
>> https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
>> 
>> Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller" > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?
>>> 
>>> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just
>>> holding the phone over the page or item?
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>>> 
>>> Brian M
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>> 
>>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my
>>> iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
>>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it
>>> came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It
>>> read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in
>>> the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture
>>> is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you
>>> need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle.
>>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting
>>> speech.
>>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations.
>>> Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this
>>> simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding
>>> stuff.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> The following information is impo

Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, 
but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways 
or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a 
table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone 
sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that 
the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the 
picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the 
field of view report, particularly in the early stages.
Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and 
> some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the 
> reader give some kind of feedback when all text’s detected? Anyways now i 
> know that it’s me and not the app that’s stupid.:-)
> /Krister
> 
>> 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell > >:
>> 
>> I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is 
>> pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag 
>> where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The 
>> results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Eileen;
>>> 
>>> I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
>>> 
>>> If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Jonathan,
 
 Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm 
 going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I 
 will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in 
 the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it 
 would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the 
 phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also 
 comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the 
 optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use 
 of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. 
 
 Thanks so much for your first impressions.
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G >>> > wrote:
 
> It is now available on the app store to download.
> 
> 
>   Regards, Feliciano
> 
> 
> 
> Like my Facebook page: 
> https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 
> 
> Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller"  > wrote:
> 
>> Jonathan,
>> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  
>>  
>> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
>> holding the phone over the page or item?  
>>  
>> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>>  
>> Brian M
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>  
>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
>> iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it 
>> came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read 
>> the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the 
>> mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is 
>> incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to 
>> for even more information about camera positioning and angle.
>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
>> Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this 
>> simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tut

Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Deb Lewis]

Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it
available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to
upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 5S
if it has unlimited installations as most do.

On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish
> and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the
> reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i
> know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-)
> /Krister
>
>> 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell :
>>
>> I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is
>> pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix
>> bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background.
>> The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece > > wrote:
>>
>>> Eileen;
>>>
>>> I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
>>>
>>> If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi >> > wrote:
>>>
 Hello Jonathan,

 Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm
 going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I
 will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest
 in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus,
 it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to
 the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can
 also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because
 of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if
 your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of
 stand.

 Thanks so much for your first impressions.

 Best,
 Eileen

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G >>> > wrote:

> It is now available on the app store to download.
>
>
>   Regards, Feliciano
>
>
>
> Like my Facebook page:
> https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
> 
> Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
> 
>
>
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>
> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller"  > wrote:
>
>> Jonathan,
>> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?
>>
>> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just
>> holding the phone over the page or item?
>>
>> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>>
>> Brian M
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>
>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my
>> iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it
>> came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It
>> read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in
>> the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture
>> is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you
>> need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle.
>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting
>> speech.
>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations.
>> Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this
>> simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding
>> stuff.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>
>> --
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Les Kriegler]

It's a good idea to activate the field of view report. What happens is the 
phone will vibrate until you have the phone lined up properly to take your 
picture. This is a great feature that this app provides.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and 
> some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the 
> reader give some kind of feedback when all text’s detected? Anyways now i 
> know that it’s me and not the app that’s stupid.:-)
> /Krister
> 
>> 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell :
>> 
>> I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is 
>> pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag 
>> where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The 
>> results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Eileen;
>>> 
>>> I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
>>> 
>>> If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi  
 wrote:
 
 Hello Jonathan,
 
 Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm 
 going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I 
 will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in 
 the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it 
 would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the 
 phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also 
 comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the 
 optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use 
 of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. 
 
 Thanks so much for your first impressions.
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G  
> wrote:
> 
> It is now available on the app store to download.
> 
> 
>   Regards, Feliciano
> 
> 
> 
> Like my Facebook page: 
> https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
> Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
> 
> 
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan,
>> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  
>>  
>> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
>> holding the phone over the page or item?  
>>  
>> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>>  
>> Brian M
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>  
>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
>> iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it 
>> came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read 
>> the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the 
>> mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is 
>> incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to 
>> for even more information about camera positioning and angle.
>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
>> Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this 
>> simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>>  
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Jim]

It really seems to depend on the material that you are standing. I have gotten 
100% accurate results with some documents, other documents with delayed 
scanning results and not quite so perfect, the field of view report seems to 
help a lot.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and 
> some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the 
> reader give some kind of feedback when all text’s detected? Anyways now i 
> know that it’s me and not the app that’s stupid.:-)
> /Krister
> 
>> 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell :
>> 
>> I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is 
>> pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag 
>> where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The 
>> results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Eileen;
>>> 
>>> I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
>>> 
>>> If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi  
 wrote:
 
 Hello Jonathan,
 
 Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm 
 going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I 
 will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in 
 the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it 
 would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the 
 phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also 
 comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the 
 optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use 
 of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. 
 
 Thanks so much for your first impressions.
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G  
> wrote:
> 
> It is now available on the app store to download.
> 
> 
>   Regards, Feliciano
> 
> 
> 
> Like my Facebook page: 
> https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
> Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
> 
> 
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan,
>> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  
>>  
>> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
>> holding the phone over the page or item?  
>>  
>> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>>  
>> Brian M
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>  
>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
>> iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it 
>> came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read 
>> the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the 
>> mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is 
>> incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to 
>> for even more information about camera positioning and angle.
>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
>> Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this 
>> simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>>  
>> -- 
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Krister Ekstrom]

What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and 
some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader 
give some kind of feedback when all text’s detected? Anyways now i know that 
it’s me and not the app that’s stupid.:-)
/Krister

> 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell :
> 
> I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is 
> pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag 
> where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The 
> results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry
> 
>  
> 
> On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece  > wrote:
> 
>> Eileen;
>> 
>> I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
>> 
>> If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
>> 
>> 
>> Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm 
>>> going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I 
>>> will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in 
>>> the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it 
>>> would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the 
>>> phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also 
>>> comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the 
>>> optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of 
>>> the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for your first impressions.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G >> > wrote:
>>> 
 It is now available on the app store to download.
 
 
   Regards, Feliciano
 
 
 
 Like my Facebook page: 
 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 
 
 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v 
 
 
 
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller" >>> > wrote:
 
> Jonathan,
> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  
>  
> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
> holding the phone over the page or item?  
>  
> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>  
> Brian M
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>  
> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
> 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it 
> came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read 
> the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the 
> mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is 
> incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to 
> for even more information about camera positioning and angle.
> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, 
> fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>  
> -- 
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Mary, Yes I did, I had KNFB Reader on the N82 and N86. This is so many 
magnitudes faster.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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> On 19/09/2014, at 12:52 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> I know you used to use Nokia phones. Did you have the  the reader for that?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:18 AM, "BrianMiller"  > wrote:
> 
>> Jonathan,
>> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  
>>  
>> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding 
>> the phone over the page or item?  
>>  
>> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>>  
>> Brian M
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>  
>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
>> 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came 
>> to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page 
>> of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The 
>> feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly 
>> helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more 
>> information about camera positioning and angle.
>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
>> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, 
>> or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
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>> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Jonathan Mosen]

I am hoping the KNFB Reader people will post some sort of comparison of using 
the app with the 6 versus the 6 Plus. I'll be getting the 6 Plus anyway because 
the battery life is so much better, but still it would be interesting to clear 
up the speculation.
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> On 19/09/2014, at 12:08 am, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jonathan,
> 
> Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm 
> going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will 
> purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the 
> KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be 
> terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that 
> they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the 
> use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical 
> stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app 
> was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. 
> 
> Thanks so much for your first impressions.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G  > wrote:
> 
>> It is now available on the app store to download.
>> 
>> 
>>   Regards, Feliciano
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller" > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  
>>>  
>>> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding 
>>> the phone over the page or item?  
>>>  
>>> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>>>  
>>> Brian M
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>>  
>>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
>>> 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
>>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came 
>>> to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the 
>>> page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The 
>>> feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly 
>>> helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more 
>>> information about camera positioning and angle.
>>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
>>> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, 
>>> or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
>>>  
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Brian, I don't own any scanning stand. In my view, if one needs to resort to 
another gadget to get a good picture, I may as well go to the office and use my 
scanner. What I'm after is great results with the device I carry with me in my 
pocket, with no additional stuff. And KNFB delivers better than anything else 
I've used.
In the past, Prizmo was my favourite app for OCR on the iPhone, but KNFB is 
giving me far superior results on the first try and it's really fast.
Jonathan Mosen
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> On 18/09/2014, at 11:18 pm, BrianMiller  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  
>  
> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding 
> the phone over the page or item?  
>  
> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>  
> Brian M
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>  
> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. 
> I couldn't be more impressed.
> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to 
> reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of 
> a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback 
> one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can 
> use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about 
> camera positioning and angle.
> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or 
> accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Harry Bell]

I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty 
good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the 
text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very 
quick and about 95% accurate! Harry

 

> On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> Eileen;
> 
> I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
> 
> If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
> 
> 
> Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Jonathan,
>> 
>> Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm 
>> going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will 
>> purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the 
>> KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be 
>> terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that 
>> they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the 
>> use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical 
>> stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app 
>> was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. 
>> 
>> Thanks so much for your first impressions.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is now available on the app store to download.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Regards, Feliciano
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
>>> Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller"  
 wrote:
 
 Jonathan,
 So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? 
  
 Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
 holding the phone over the page or item? 
  
 Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
  
 Brian M
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
  
 I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
 I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came 
 to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the 
 page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The 
 feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly 
 helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more 
 information about camera positioning and angle.
 And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
 It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
 it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, 
 or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
  
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Alex Hall]

Jonathan, would you mind summarizing how the KNFB app compares to my own 
primary OCR solution: Prizmo? The updated Prizmo seems to work quite well, at 
least in my brief tests, and I'd like to know what makes the KNFB app more 
useful/easier/etc than Prizmo or similar apps. I'm not putting the new app down 
at all, or suggesting that it's not worth the price, I'd just like to know how 
it compares to other popular apps that have similar functionality. Thanks.
On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi,
> I know i'm not the brightest shining star in the universe, far from it, but i 
> have to say that i'm quite disappointed in the app. I tried it on a package 
> of food and it didn't find any text even though i know for a fact that there 
> was text on the package. I held it at various heights over the package but no 
> joy and even when it said that text was detected and to hold still, when the 
> picture was taken after a long while Knfb reader informed me that no text was 
> found.
> I must say i'm not at all impressed with this, there are far cheaper apps 
> that do the same job. Having said that though, i do hope it's user stupidity 
> rather than an overpriced app that contributes to this bad review. If anyone 
> has tips on how to go about to get good results, i'd be happy to know.
> /Krister
> 
>> 18 sep 2014 kl. 14:23 skrev Anthony Vece :
>> 
>> Eileen;
>> 
>> I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
>> 
>> If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
>> 
>> 
>> Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm 
>>> going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I 
>>> will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in 
>>> the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it 
>>> would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the 
>>> phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also 
>>> comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the 
>>> optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of 
>>> the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for your first impressions.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G  wrote:
>>> 
 It is now available on the app store to download.
 
 
   Regards, Feliciano
 
 
 
 Like my Facebook page: 
 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
 
 
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller"  
 wrote:
 
> Jonathan,
> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  
>  
> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
> holding the phone over the page or item?  
>  
> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>  
> Brian M
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>  
> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
> 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it 
> came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read 
> the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the 
> mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is 
> incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to 
> for even more information about camera positioning and angle.
> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, 
> fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>  
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
I know i’m not the brightest shining star in the universe, far from it, but i 
have to say that i’m quite disappointed in the app. I tried it on a package of 
food and it didn’t find any text even though i know for a fact that there was 
text on the package. I held it at various heights over the package but no joy 
and even when it said that text was detected and to hold still, when the 
picture was taken after a long while Knfb reader informed me that no text was 
found.
I must say i’m not at all impressed with this, there are far cheaper apps that 
do the same job. Having said that though, i do hope it’s user stupidity rather 
than an overpriced app that contributes to this bad review. If anyone has tips 
on how to go about to get good results, i’d be happy to know.
/Krister

> 18 sep 2014 kl. 14:23 skrev Anthony Vece :
> 
> Eileen;
> 
> I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
> 
> If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
> 
> 
> Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!
> 
> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello Jonathan,
>> 
>> Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm 
>> going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will 
>> purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the 
>> KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be 
>> terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that 
>> they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the 
>> use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical 
>> stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app 
>> was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. 
>> 
>> Thanks so much for your first impressions.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G > > wrote:
>> 
>>> It is now available on the app store to download.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Regards, Feliciano
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Like my Facebook page: 
>>> https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 
>>> 
>>> Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller" >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Jonathan,
 So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  
  
 Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
 holding the phone over the page or item?  
  
 Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
  
 Brian M
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
  
 I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
 I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came 
 to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the 
 page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The 
 feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly 
 helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more 
 information about camera positioning and angle.
 And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
 It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
 it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, 
 or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org 
  
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RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Rose Combs]

Reason to update when I can find a way to do so.  

 

 

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Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

According to the App Store, it's compatible with iOS 7 as well.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 18/09/2014, at 9:36 pm, Jenifer Barr  wrote:

 

Hi.
Do I have to have iOS 8 installed? Or can I use 7.12?

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone




On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, christopher hallsworth
 wrote:

No.



On 18 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Stephanie  wrote:

Will this work with the iphone 4s?
Steph


- Original Message -
From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions






would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it
successfully?


On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone
5s. I couldn't be more impressed. 
I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came
to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page
of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The
feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly
helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more
information about camera positioning and angle.
And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly
it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast,
or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Mary Otten]

Hi Jonathan,
I know you used to use Nokia phones. Did you have the  the reader for that?

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:18 AM, "BrianMiller"  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? 
>  
> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding 
> the phone over the page or item?  
>  
> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>  
> Brian M
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>  
> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. 
> I couldn't be more impressed.
> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to 
> reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of 
> a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback 
> one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can 
> use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about 
> camera positioning and angle.
> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or 
> accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Anthony Vece]

Eileen;

I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.

If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.


Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!

> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jonathan,
> 
> Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm 
> going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will 
> purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the 
> KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be 
> terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that 
> they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the 
> use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical 
> stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app 
> was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. 
> 
> Thanks so much for your first impressions.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G  wrote:
>> 
>> It is now available on the app store to download.
>> 
>> 
>>   Regards, Feliciano
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? 
>>>  
>>> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding 
>>> the phone over the page or item? 
>>>  
>>> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>>>  
>>> Brian M
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>>  
>>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
>>> 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
>>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came 
>>> to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the 
>>> page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The 
>>> feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly 
>>> helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more 
>>> information about camera positioning and angle.
>>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
>>> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, 
>>> or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org
>>>  
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Jonathan,

Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going 
to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will 
purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB 
Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be 
terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that 
they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use 
of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. 
ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the 
StandScan or with some other type of stand. 

Thanks so much for your first impressions.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G  wrote:
> 
> It is now available on the app store to download.
> 
> 
>   Regards, Feliciano
> 
> 
> 
> Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
> Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
> 
> 
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller"  wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan,
>> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? 
>>  
>> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding 
>> the phone over the page or item? 
>>  
>> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>>  
>> Brian M
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>  
>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
>> 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came 
>> to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page 
>> of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The 
>> feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly 
>> helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more 
>> information about camera positioning and angle.
>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
>> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, 
>> or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>>  
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Feliciano G]

It is now available on the app store to download.


  Regards, Feliciano



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> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller"  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? 
>  
> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding 
> the phone over the page or item? 
>  
> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
>  
> Brian M
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>  
> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. 
> I couldn't be more impressed.
> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to 
> reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of 
> a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback 
> one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can 
> use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about 
> camera positioning and angle.
> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or 
> accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[BrianMiller]

Jonathan,

So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  

 

Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding
the phone over the page or item?  

 

Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!

 

Brian M

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone
5s. I couldn't be more impressed.

I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came
to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page
of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The
feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly
helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more
information about camera positioning and angle.

And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.

It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly
it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast,
or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Les Kriegler]

Jonathan, thanks for your review. I was going to wait to review some podcasts, 
but I made the purchase based on your recommendation. I know, you didn't make a 
specific recommendation, but your comments were Goodnuf for me. I'm currently 
charging my phone it will be trying the app later. Thanks again.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> According to the App Store, it's compatible with iOS 7 as well.
> Jonathan Mosen
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>> On 18/09/2014, at 9:36 pm, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> Do I have to have iOS 8 installed? Or can I use 7.12?
>> 
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No.
>>>> On 18 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Stephanie  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Will this work with the iphone 4s?
>>>> Steph
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it
>>>>> successfully?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
>>>>> 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. 
>>>>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it 
>>>>> came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read 
>>>>> the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the 
>>>>> mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is 
>>>>> incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to 
>>>>> for even more information about camera positioning and angle.
>>>>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>>>>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
>>>>> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, 
>>>>> fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
>>>>> 
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Jonathan Mosen]

According to the App Store, it's compatible with iOS 7 as well.
Jonathan Mosen
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> On 18/09/2014, at 9:36 pm, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> Do I have to have iOS 8 installed? Or can I use 7.12?
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No.
>>> On 18 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Stephanie  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will this work with the iphone 4s?
>>> Steph
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm
>>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it
>>>> successfully?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
>>>> 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. 
>>>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came 
>>>> to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the 
>>>> page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The 
>>>> feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly 
>>>> helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more 
>>>> information about camera positioning and angle.
>>>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>>>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
>>>> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, 
>>>> or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>>> Mosen Consulting
>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>>> http://Mosen.org
>>>> 
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi.
Do I have to have iOS 8 installed? Or can I use 7.12?

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> No.
>> On 18 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Stephanie  wrote:
>> 
>> Will this work with the iphone 4s?
>> Steph
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm
>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it
>>> successfully?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
>>> 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. 
>>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came 
>>> to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the 
>>> page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The 
>>> feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly 
>>> helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more 
>>> information about camera positioning and angle.
>>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
>>> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, 
>>> or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org
>>> 
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[christopher hallsworth]

No.
On 18 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Stephanie  wrote:

> Will this work with the iphone 4s?
> Steph
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm
> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
> 
>> 
>> 
>> would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it
>> successfully?
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>> 
>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
>> 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. 
>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came 
>> to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page 
>> of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The 
>> feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly 
>> helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more 
>> information about camera positioning and angle.
>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
>> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, 
>> or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
>> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Stephanie]

Will this work with the iphone 4s?
Steph


- Original Message -
From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

>
>
> would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it
> successfully?
> 
> 
> On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
> 
> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. 
> I couldn't be more impressed. 
> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to 
> reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of 
> a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback 
> one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can 
> use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about 
> camera positioning and angle.
> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or 
> accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
> 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it
successfully?

On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it 
came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It 
read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in 
the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture 
is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you 
need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle.

And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this 
simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Well I will try and keep my home button working for a few more weeks.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 7:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

Hi Rose,

I have been using my wife's iPod Touch with the Assistive Touch menu for a 
while now and it works perfectly well in terms of functionality and 
accessibility. It's not as convenient as pressing, ddouble pressing or pressing 
and holding the home key, but it beats throwing the thing away.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

It does not work well with Voice-over to my experience but, so far I am 
managing, hopefully in a month or so I can do more about it.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

You can work around a broken home button quite easily.
Turn on Assistive Touch in Settings, General, Accessibility.
This puts a button on the screen which is called "Assistive Touch Menu".
I believe by default it is at the top left of the screen, but you can move it 
around. My wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a broken home button and that is 
what we did. We moved it to the bottom of the screen just above where the 
physical home button is.
Now if you want to do anything that involves the home button, e.g. exit an app, 
double tap it to bring up the app switcher, hold it to activate SIRI, you can 
do all of this from the assistive touch menu. Double tap the button and you get 
the following options:

SIRI
FaVorites
DeVice
Home

SIRI of course will activate SIRI.
The Favorites option is something we haven't used, it allows you to add custom 
gestures.
Device has the following options:
Lock screen
Rotate Screen
More
Back
Volume Down
Volume Up

The "More button" in the Device option is where you want to go to bring up the 
App Switcher, it is called "Multi-Tasking". Apart from that in that menu you 
find options to take a screenshot which normally you do by pressing the power 
and home buttons together and there are a couple other things in there.

It's a bit cumbersome if, for example, you want to bring up the app switcher 
since you would have to double tap the assistive touch menu, then double tap on 
Device, then on More and then on Multi Tasking. But it's a solution which 
allows you to use a device which otherwise would be useless. I took the iPod 
/Touch to an Apple Store and was told that they can't repair a home button on 
an iPod Touch although I believe they can repair or replace it on an iPhone. 
This iPod Touch is only a year and a half old and the only alternatives the guy 
at the Apple Store gave me was to give me a replacement for $150 which is not 
all that bad since it's a 32 Gig Fifth Gen iPod Touch, but since it works 
perfectly well apart from the home button I didn't want to do that just now 
also because I had it engraved at the time and we would lose that. Maybe once 
the new iPads are announced in October I'll sell it and buy an iPad Mini or 
maybe there will even be a sixth Generation iPod Touch this fall which will be 
worthwhile considering. Apple also told me I could always trade it in and by 
doing so get a 10% discount on whatever other device I would buy. 


Regards,
Sieghard

other at this point it doesn'better than I agr , you can -Original 
Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks 
and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be 
for me.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off putting 
the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if it hasn't 
come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human beings want 
what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. 
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had just 
waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss me out! 



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a 

RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Rose,

I have been using my wife's iPod Touch with the Assistive Touch menu for a 
while now and it works perfectly well in terms of functionality and 
accessibility. It's not as convenient as pressing, ddouble pressing or pressing 
and holding the home key, but it beats throwing the thing away.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

It does not work well with Voice-over to my experience but, so far I am 
managing, hopefully in a month or so I can do more about it.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

You can work around a broken home button quite easily.
Turn on Assistive Touch in Settings, General, Accessibility.
This puts a button on the screen which is called "Assistive Touch Menu".
I believe by default it is at the top left of the screen, but you can move it 
around. My wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a broken home button and that is 
what we did. We moved it to the bottom of the screen just above where the 
physical home button is.
Now if you want to do anything that involves the home button, e.g. exit an app, 
double tap it to bring up the app switcher, hold it to activate SIRI, you can 
do all of this from the assistive touch menu. Double tap the button and you get 
the following options:

SIRI
FaVorites
DeVice
Home

SIRI of course will activate SIRI.
The Favorites option is something we haven't used, it allows you to add custom 
gestures.
Device has the following options:
Lock screen
Rotate Screen
More
Back
Volume Down
Volume Up

The "More button" in the Device option is where you want to go to bring up the 
App Switcher, it is called "Multi-Tasking". Apart from that in that menu you 
find options to take a screenshot which normally you do by pressing the power 
and home buttons together and there are a couple other things in there.

It's a bit cumbersome if, for example, you want to bring up the app switcher 
since you would have to double tap the assistive touch menu, then double tap on 
Device, then on More and then on Multi Tasking. But it's a solution which 
allows you to use a device which otherwise would be useless. I took the iPod 
/Touch to an Apple Store and was told that they can't repair a home button on 
an iPod Touch although I believe they can repair or replace it on an iPhone. 
This iPod Touch is only a year and a half old and the only alternatives the guy 
at the Apple Store gave me was to give me a replacement for $150 which is not 
all that bad since it's a 32 Gig Fifth Gen iPod Touch, but since it works 
perfectly well apart from the home button I didn't want to do that just now 
also because I had it engraved at the time and we would lose that. Maybe once 
the new iPads are announced in October I'll sell it and buy an iPad Mini or 
maybe there will even be a sixth Generation iPod Touch this fall which will be 
worthwhile considering. Apple also told me I could always trade it in and by 
doing so get a 10% discount on whatever other device I would buy. 


Regards,
Sieghard

other at this point it doesn'better than I agr , you can -Original 
Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks 
and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be 
for me.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off putting 
the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if it hasn't 
come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human beings want 
what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. 
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had just 
waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss me out! 



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the 
Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my website 
are still ava

RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

It does not work well with Voice-over to my experience but, so far I am 
managing, hopefully in a month or so I can do more about it.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

You can work around a broken home button quite easily.
Turn on Assistive Touch in Settings, General, Accessibility.
This puts a button on the screen which is called "Assistive Touch Menu".
I believe by default it is at the top left of the screen, but you can move it 
around. My wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a broken home button and that is 
what we did. We moved it to the bottom of the screen just above where the 
physical home button is.
Now if you want to do anything that involves the home button, e.g. exit an app, 
double tap it to bring up the app switcher, hold it to activate SIRI, you can 
do all of this from the assistive touch menu. Double tap the button and you get 
the following options:

SIRI
FaVorites
DeVice
Home

SIRI of course will activate SIRI.
The Favorites option is something we haven't used, it allows you to add custom 
gestures.
Device has the following options:
Lock screen
Rotate Screen
More
Back
Volume Down
Volume Up

The "More button" in the Device option is where you want to go to bring up the 
App Switcher, it is called "Multi-Tasking". Apart from that in that menu you 
find options to take a screenshot which normally you do by pressing the power 
and home buttons together and there are a couple other things in there.

It's a bit cumbersome if, for example, you want to bring up the app switcher 
since you would have to double tap the assistive touch menu, then double tap on 
Device, then on More and then on Multi Tasking. But it's a solution which 
allows you to use a device which otherwise would be useless. I took the iPod 
/Touch to an Apple Store and was told that they can't repair a home button on 
an iPod Touch although I believe they can repair or replace it on an iPhone. 
This iPod Touch is only a year and a half old and the only alternatives the guy 
at the Apple Store gave me was to give me a replacement for $150 which is not 
all that bad since it's a 32 Gig Fifth Gen iPod Touch, but since it works 
perfectly well apart from the home button I didn't want to do that just now 
also because I had it engraved at the time and we would lose that. Maybe once 
the new iPads are announced in October I'll sell it and buy an iPad Mini or 
maybe there will even be a sixth Generation iPod Touch this fall which will be 
worthwhile considering. Apple also told me I could always trade it in and by 
doing so get a 10% discount on whatever other device I would buy. 


Regards,
Sieghard

other at this point it doesn'better than I agr
, you can 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks 
and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be 
for me.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off 
putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if 
it hasn't come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human 
beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. 
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had 
just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss 
me out! 


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of
the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge
that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor
of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps
to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the
4S. Apparently, th

RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Thank you, coping as best I can, some days okay, others not so good.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicki Howell
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 7:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Hello Rose.  This is Vicki Howell, or Miss Vicki, and I am truly sorry about 
your loss.  I hope that you can get all of the help that you need.  I wish that 
I was there, I would definitely help you.  If you need to talk, or if I can 
help in any way, please don’t hesitate to get in touch with me.  You can ask 
Robert Lewis for  my number, or I will put it on the line.  Again, so sorry for 
your loss. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

I am still in Scottsdale, my job is in Scottsdale and it is somedays the only 
reason I can get out of bed, LOL.  

 

Right now we are going through a lot of stuff, bikes, tools and I still have 
that trike we talked about earlier, it is running although it suffered a couple 
of minor accidents during his last several weeks so fenders are cracked… I plan 
to sell it maybe in winter to someone who winters here and would like it to get 
about in a RV community or something.  My one cousin is in a hurry, I am not, 
if it goes it does.  If not, well, financially I am okay, not over the top but 
okay.  

 

Have at least two if not three tandems, none in new shape but usable, one with 
a motor in its back wheel.  All with baskets to carry stuff in.  My nephew and 
cousin-in-law know more of the particulars than I do but two of them I know 
could be ridden last fall.  The recumbent trike may be a hard sell and I know I 
won’t get half of what he paid for it in June 2013.  Everyone says it is cute 
but … 

 

Since I am not planning on selling the house soon, I am not in a huge hurry to 
get rid of things, if they find good homes fine, if not, eventually well time 
will tell.  

 

This week it is time to replace the back portion of the fence, a must since the 
one out there is falling down.  Cousin-in-law and son are doing it.  After that 
I have plumbing issues that will have to be addressed, loads of them in a 
50-year-old house, then … I have no clue.  

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM
To: V Iphone list
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Hi Rose,

So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we 
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

 

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.

If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com

 

or call or text at 480 381 2311

 

Sincerely,

Chuck Dean




Chuck

 

 

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one 
get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it.
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can work around a broken home button quite easily.
Turn on Assistive Touch in Settings, General, Accessibility.
This puts a button on the screen which is called "Assistive Touch Menu".
I believe by default it is at the top left of the screen, but you can move it 
around. My wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a broken home button and that is 
what we did. We moved it to the bottom of the screen just above where the 
physical home button is.
Now if you want to do anything that involves the home button, e.g. exit an app, 
double tap it to bring up the app switcher, hold it to activate SIRI, you can 
do all of this from the assistive touch menu. Double tap the button and you get 
the following options:

SIRI
FaVorites
DeVice
Home

SIRI of course will activate SIRI.
The Favorites option is something we haven't used, it allows you to add custom 
gestures.
Device has the following options:
Lock screen
Rotate Screen
More
Back
Volume Down
Volume Up

The "More button" in the Device option is where you want to go to bring up the 
App Switcher, it is called "Multi-Tasking". Apart from that in that menu you 
find options to take a screenshot which normally you do by pressing the power 
and home buttons together and there are a couple other things in there.

It's a bit cumbersome if, for example, you want to bring up the app switcher 
since you would have to double tap the assistive touch menu, then double tap on 
Device, then on More and then on Multi Tasking. But it's a solution which 
allows you to use a device which otherwise would be useless. I took the iPod 
/Touch to an Apple Store and was told that they can't repair a home button on 
an iPod Touch although I believe they can repair or replace it on an iPhone. 
This iPod Touch is only a year and a half old and the only alternatives the guy 
at the Apple Store gave me was to give me a replacement for $150 which is not 
all that bad since it's a 32 Gig Fifth Gen iPod Touch, but since it works 
perfectly well apart from the home button I didn't want to do that just now 
also because I had it engraved at the time and we would lose that. Maybe once 
the new iPads are announced in October I'll sell it and buy an iPad Mini or 
maybe there will even be a sixth Generation iPod Touch this fall which will be 
worthwhile considering. Apple also told me I could always trade it in and by 
doing so get a 10% discount on whatever other device I would buy. 


Regards,
Sieghard

other at this point it doesn'better than I agr
, you can 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks 
and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be 
for me.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off 
putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if 
it hasn't come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human 
beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. 
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had 
just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss 
me out! 


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of
the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge
that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor
of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps
to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the
4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key
portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones.  With a camera that
preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming
obvious.

The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows
why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead
of a 5S.  Being locke

RE: knfb reader

[Vicki Howell]

Hello Rose.  This is Vicki Howell, or Miss Vicki, and I am truly sorry about 
your loss.  I hope that you can get all of the help that you need.  I wish that 
I was there, I would definitely help you.  If you need to talk, or if I can 
help in any way, please don’t hesitate to get in touch with me.  You can ask 
Robert Lewis for  my number, or I will put it on the line.  Again, so sorry for 
your loss. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

I am still in Scottsdale, my job is in Scottsdale and it is somedays the only 
reason I can get out of bed, LOL.  

 

Right now we are going through a lot of stuff, bikes, tools and I still have 
that trike we talked about earlier, it is running although it suffered a couple 
of minor accidents during his last several weeks so fenders are cracked… I plan 
to sell it maybe in winter to someone who winters here and would like it to get 
about in a RV community or something.  My one cousin is in a hurry, I am not, 
if it goes it does.  If not, well, financially I am okay, not over the top but 
okay.  

 

Have at least two if not three tandems, none in new shape but usable, one with 
a motor in its back wheel.  All with baskets to carry stuff in.  My nephew and 
cousin-in-law know more of the particulars than I do but two of them I know 
could be ridden last fall.  The recumbent trike may be a hard sell and I know I 
won’t get half of what he paid for it in June 2013.  Everyone says it is cute 
but … 

 

Since I am not planning on selling the house soon, I am not in a huge hurry to 
get rid of things, if they find good homes fine, if not, eventually well time 
will tell.  

 

This week it is time to replace the back portion of the fence, a must since the 
one out there is falling down.  Cousin-in-law and son are doing it.  After that 
I have plumbing issues that will have to be addressed, loads of them in a 
50-year-old house, then … I have no clue.  

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM
To: V Iphone list
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Hi Rose,

So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we 
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

 

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.

If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at 
cadean...@gmail.com <mailto:cadean...@gmail.com> 

 

or call or text at 480 381 2311

 

Sincerely,

Chuck Dean




Chuck

 

 

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com> > wrote:

Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one 
get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it.
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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Re: knfb reader

[Mike Arrigo]

That makes sense, I think apple is introducing new camera apis with version 8
On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Trea Abma  wrote:

> On twitter:
> The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
> compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone
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Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

If all else being equal, I would advise holding off for the iPhone 6.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Rose Combs" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:16 AM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button 
sticks and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 
whatever will be for me.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Alan Paganelli

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off
putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if
it hasn't come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human
beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now.
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had
just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss
me out! 


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of
the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge
that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor
of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps
to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the
4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key
portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones.  With a camera that
preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming
obvious.

The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows
why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead
of a 5S.  Being locked into last year’s technology will be costlier
later when future upgrade costs are considered compared to buying the
current version now and upgrading less frequently.

Kelly



On 8/31/14, Alan Paganelli  wrote:

I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5
megapixel camera.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
my

website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
would not work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you
are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am
sure

I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this
app. from Mich.
- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

Yes, your quite correct my friend.  It's my sons new Android phone he got 
which has an 8.5 megapixel camera.  He spent 30 or 40 minutes bragging about 
it to me but you know how 23 yearolds are. 



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 4:09 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


Hi Alan,

The iPhone 3GS had a 3 MP camera, the iPhone 4 had a 5 MP and the iPhone 4S, 
5, 5C and 5S all have an 8 MP camera. It is correct, however, that the same 
8 MP camera on the 5S is better than that on the 4S or 5 since the sensor 
has larger pixels and it has the 2-tone flash which yields better results in 
low light. And yes, I can see how the processing of the image is best on a 
5S and better on a 5 or 5C than it is on the 4S and of course it will yet be 
better on the various iPhone 6 models which besides getting the A8 chip most 
likely will feature a 13 MP camera.


I am not sure where you get the 8.5 Megapixel number, not that 8 MP or 8.5 
MP would mnake a big difference, but here is part of a description of the 5S 
eyesight camera followed by the link to the entire article:


The new iSight camera on iPhone 5s builds on the iPhone 5 camera in ways 
that make a real difference to your photos. It captures beautiful images at 
8 megapixels.
What makes them beautiful is a redesigned camera sensor that allows for 
bigger pixels. Bigger pixels equal better photos. And better photos are 
precisely what inspired the advancements we made with the new iSight camera 
on iPhone 5s.


Larger sensor. Larger pixels. Larger aperture.
Light is one of the most important factors in getting a great photo. Not 
just how well your subject is lit, but how sensitive your camera’s sensor is 
to light.
Here’s how it works: A camera’s sensor — and the pixels on it — collect 
light. The larger the sensor and the larger the pixels, the more light is 
collected. And that translates to better, brighter images with truer colours 
and less noise.


https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-5s/camera


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Alan Paganelli

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5
megapixel camera.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
would not work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you
are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure
I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this
app. from Mich.
- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in 

RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks 
and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be 
for me.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off 
putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if 
it hasn't come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human 
beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. 
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had 
just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss 
me out! 


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of
the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge
that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor
of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps
to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the
4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key
portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones.  With a camera that
preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming
obvious.

The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows
why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead
of a 5S.  Being locked into last year’s technology will be costlier
later when future upgrade costs are considered compared to buying the
current version now and upgrading less frequently.

Kelly



On 8/31/14, Alan Paganelli  wrote:
> I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5
> megapixel camera.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
> on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
> my
>
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
> Subject: RE: knfb reader
>
>
> The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
> from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
> would not work on the iPhone 4S.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
> Yes, the camera is not good enough.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>>
>> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
>> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you
>> are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am 
>> sure
>>
>> I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this
>> app. from Mich.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>>
>>
>> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
>> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
>> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
>> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
>> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
>> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
>> degrees from 

RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Tom had a very prolonged illness from 2009 to 2014.  He passed May 30, and it 
is good to know he is not in pain any longer but he surely is missed.  He had 
necrosis of the pancreas they think from a whooping cough shot he got only a 
couple of days before he became ill.  Since then I have seen loads of cases 
with the same reaction, something they did to the formula I gather.  

 

I am still working, still in medical transcription, started my 39th year at the 
hospital in August.  

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Hi Rose,

I remember you from the days of GENIE. I often remember you talking of your 
husband. I am so sorry to read of his passing. You’re still working? oh well, 
so am I.

 

Take care,

Andy

 

From: Chuck Dean <mailto:cadean...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM

To: V Iphone list <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Re: knfb reader

Hi Rose,

So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we 
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

 

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.

If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com

 

or call or text at 480 381 2311

 

Sincerely,

Chuck Dean

 

Chuck

 

 

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one 
get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it.
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

I am still in Scottsdale, my job is in Scottsdale and it is somedays the only 
reason I can get out of bed, LOL.  

 

Right now we are going through a lot of stuff, bikes, tools and I still have 
that trike we talked about earlier, it is running although it suffered a couple 
of minor accidents during his last several weeks so fenders are cracked… I plan 
to sell it maybe in winter to someone who winters here and would like it to get 
about in a RV community or something.  My one cousin is in a hurry, I am not, 
if it goes it does.  If not, well, financially I am okay, not over the top but 
okay.  

 

Have at least two if not three tandems, none in new shape but usable, one with 
a motor in its back wheel.  All with baskets to carry stuff in.  My nephew and 
cousin-in-law know more of the particulars than I do but two of them I know 
could be ridden last fall.  The recumbent trike may be a hard sell and I know I 
won’t get half of what he paid for it in June 2013.  Everyone says it is cute 
but … 

 

Since I am not planning on selling the house soon, I am not in a huge hurry to 
get rid of things, if they find good homes fine, if not, eventually well time 
will tell.  

 

This week it is time to replace the back portion of the fence, a must since the 
one out there is falling down.  Cousin-in-law and son are doing it.  After that 
I have plumbing issues that will have to be addressed, loads of them in a 
50-year-old house, then … I have no clue.  

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM
To: V Iphone list
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Hi Rose,

So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we 
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

 

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.

If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com

 

or call or text at 480 381 2311

 

Sincerely,

Chuck Dean




Chuck

 

 

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one 
get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it.
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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[Rose Combs]

Oops!  Did not mean for that to go list-wide.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM
To: V Iphone list
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Hi Rose,

So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we 
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

 

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.

If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com

 

or call or text at 480 381 2311

 

Sincerely,

Chuck Dean




Chuck

 

 

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one 
get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it.
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

I thought you were going to use another word other then darn that would have 
better described it! LOL!



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
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website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Rose Combs" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when 
one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones. 
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without 
a hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows 
trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that 
fixed now.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Dean

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my 
upgrade to replace it.
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.

If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off 
putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if 
it hasn't come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human 
beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. 
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had 
just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss 
me out! 



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of
the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge
that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor
of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps
to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the
4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key
portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones.  With a camera that
preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming
obvious.

The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows
why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead
of a 5S.  Being locked into last year’s technology will be costlier
later when future upgrade costs are considered compared to buying the
current version now and upgrading less frequently.

Kelly



On 8/31/14, Alan Paganelli  wrote:

I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5
megapixel camera.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my


website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
would not work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you
are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am 
sure


I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this
app. from Mich.
- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I trave

Re: knfb reader

[Chuck Dean]

Oops sorry for the off topic. I thought this was a privet email when I 
replied.
Chuck

 
>
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Re: knfb reader

[Andy Baracco]

Hi Rose,
I remember you from the days of GENIE. I often remember you talking of your 
husband. I am so sorry to read of his passing. You’re still working? oh well, 
so am I.

Take care,
Andy

From: Chuck Dean 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM
To: V Iphone list 
Subject: Re: knfb reader
Hi Rose,
So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we 
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.
If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com

or call or text at 480 381 2311

Sincerely,
Chuck Dean

Chuck




On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

  Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when 
one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
  Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.


  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
  Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: knfb reader

  Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my 
upgrade to replace it.
  Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.
  If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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Re: knfb reader

[Chuck Dean]

Hi Rose,
So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.
If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at
cadean...@gmail.com

or call or text at 480 381 2311

Sincerely,
Chuck Dean

*Chuck*



On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

> Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when
> one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have
> earphones.  Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get
> there without a hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to
> my elbows trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not
> junk.
> Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just
> never did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when
> my scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of
> that fixed now.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Dean
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
> Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my
> upgrade to replace it.
> Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another
> $99 for the KNFB Reader.
> If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.
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RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one 
get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.  
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it. 
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader. 
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. 

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RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Alan,

The iPhone 3GS had a 3 MP camera, the iPhone 4 had a 5 MP and the iPhone 4S, 5, 
5C and 5S all have an 8 MP camera. It is correct, however, that the same 8 MP 
camera on the 5S is better than that on the 4S or 5 since the sensor has larger 
pixels and it has the 2-tone flash which yields better results in low light. 
And yes, I can see how the processing of the image is best on a 5S and better 
on a 5 or 5C than it is on the 4S and of course it will yet be better on the 
various iPhone 6 models which besides getting the A8 chip most likely will 
feature a 13 MP camera.

I am not sure where you get the 8.5 Megapixel number, not that 8 MP or 8.5 MP 
would mnake a big difference, but here is part of a description of the 5S 
eyesight camera followed by the link to the entire article:

The new iSight camera on iPhone 5s builds on the iPhone 5 camera in ways that 
make a real difference to your photos. It captures beautiful images at 8 
megapixels.
What makes them beautiful is a redesigned camera sensor that allows for bigger 
pixels. Bigger pixels equal better photos. And better photos are precisely what 
inspired the advancements we made with the new iSight camera on iPhone 5s.

Larger sensor. Larger pixels. Larger aperture.
Light is one of the most important factors in getting a great photo. Not just 
how well your subject is lit, but how sensitive your camera’s sensor is to 
light.
Here’s how it works: A camera’s sensor — and the pixels on it — collect light. 
The larger the sensor and the larger the pixels, the more light is collected. 
And that translates to better, brighter images with truer colours and less 
noise.

https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-5s/camera


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5 
megapixel camera.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
would not work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>
> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you 
> are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure 
> I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this 
> app. from Mich.
> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
>
> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspec

Re: knfb reader

[Chuck Dean]

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it. 
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader. 
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. 

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Re: knfb reader

[Kelly Pierce]

When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of
the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge
that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor
of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps
to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the
4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key
portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones.  With a camera that
preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming
obvious.

The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows
why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead
of a 5S.  Being locked into last year’s technology will be costlier
later when future upgrade costs are considered compared to buying the
current version now and upgrading less frequently.

Kelly



On 8/31/14, Alan Paganelli  wrote:
> I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5
> megapixel camera.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
> Subject: RE: knfb reader
>
>
> The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
> from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
> would not work on the iPhone 4S.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
> Yes, the camera is not good enough.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>>
>> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
>> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you
>> are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure
>>
>> I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this
>> app. from Mich.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>>
>>
>> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
>> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
>> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
>> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
>> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
>> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
>> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
>> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
>> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
>> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
>> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
>> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
>> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
>> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
>> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
>> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
>> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
>> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
>> does this effectively.
>>
>> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
>> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
>> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
>> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
>> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
>> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
>> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
>> prod

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5 
megapixel camera.



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
would not work on the iPhone 4S.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of David Chittenden

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you 
are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure 
I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this 
app. from Mich.

- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly





On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on 
the
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 
to

$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add 
that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared 
to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while 
I

might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results 
free

hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 
ways


to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:

Re: knfb reader

[Ben Blatchford]

Hi,
Does anyone have the presentation that was given yesterday at the nfb live 
site? I wasn't able to attend it.
thanks,
Ben

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:52 AM, "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:
> 
> And those of us who don't have an iphone and have an Ipod touch 5th 
> generation will not be able to use it.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are
> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am
> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from
> Mich.
> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
> does this effectively.
> 
> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
> product functionality.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
>> card. With back to school they should be around.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
>> 
>> to Sunday.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>>

Re: knfb reader

[Russ Kiehne]

And those of us who don't have an iphone and have an Ipod touch 5th 
generation will not be able to use it.


-Original Message- 
From: Mich Verrier

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are
right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am
not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from
Mich.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly




On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on 
the

list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add 
that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared 
to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while 
I

might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 
ways


to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my


website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The

Re: knfb reader

[Alex Hall]

No, from what I've read, iOS7 will be supported. However, iOS8 offers finer 
control over the camera, so it wouldn't surprise me to see iOS8 devices getting 
better results. That's pure speculation on my part, though.
On Aug 31, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

> So does this mean KNFB Reader will require iOS 8 to run?
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>  
> This goes back to what I posted yesterday. I understand that they are hooking 
> into certain iOS 8 API features, some of which are not supported by the 4S.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>  
> On 31/08/2014, at 5:09 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
> from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
> would not work on the iPhone 4S.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> Yes, the camera is not good enough. 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
> Mich.
> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
> does this effectively.
> 
> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
> product functionality.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
> this

Re: knfb reader

[Russ Kiehne]

Or they have the option of buying the Blaze EZ from HIMS for $750.00.

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as 
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the 
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to 
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of 
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that 
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to 
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I 
might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it 
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free 
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get 
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift 
card. With back to school they should be around.



Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Alan Paganelli

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.

I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
the extraordinary.  I’m waiting to learn about actual end user
experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.

Kelly




On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Jonathan,



Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
on
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
guess
we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch
may
be announced on the 9th as well.



Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
but
that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
with
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
case they should just say so.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader



I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and
they
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will
be
released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they
would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS
itself
is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the
17th.

RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Well, another reason to update my 4S which has a flaky home button, just
have to figure out how to get there.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

This goes back to what I posted yesterday. I understand that they are
hooking into certain iOS 8 API features, some of which are not supported by
the 4S.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 31/08/2014, at 5:09 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:





The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
would not work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone




On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are
right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am
not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from
Mich.
- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly







On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways

to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and 

RE: knfb reader

[Alan Lemly]

So does this mean KNFB Reader will require iOS 8 to run?

 

Alan Lemly

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

This goes back to what I posted yesterday. I understand that they are
hooking into certain iOS 8 API features, some of which are not supported by
the 4S.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 31/08/2014, at 5:09 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:





The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
would not work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone




On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are
right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am
not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from
Mich.
- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly







On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways

to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances pla

Re: knfb reader

[Alex Hall]

My understanding is that it isn't just the megapiels. A lot has to do with the 
actual sensor - how much light it can pick up, how wide the field is, and so 
on. Then, even more depends on post-capture processing by the phone's graphics 
processor. The 4S has pretty weak graphics processing compared to the 5 and 
later, and its sensor is just not as good. I'm sure there are articles online 
that go into way more detail, but that's the basic idea, again as I understand 
it.
On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:

>   Hi, I read that the reader will work with the 4s but with less accuracy I 
> believe it will work and I am hoping that with much ease than with Prizmo and 
> text detector.  Andy and Shubert.
> I have to wait for another year to upgrade to the 5s.  It ill be a year on 
> the 15th of September that I got this 4s.  I wish I waited a bit longer.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: knfb reader
> 
> The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
> from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
> would not work on the iPhone 4S.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> Yes, the camera is not good enough.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>> 
>> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
>> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
>> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
>> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
>> Mich.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> 
>> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
>> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
>> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
>> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
>> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
>> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
>> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
>> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
>> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
>> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
>> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
>> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
>> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
>> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
>> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
>> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
>> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
>> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
>> does this effectively.
>> 
>> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
>> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
>> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
>> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
>> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
>> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
>> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
>> product functionality.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and c

Re: knfb reader

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

   Hi, I read that the reader will work with the 4s but with less accuracy 
I believe it will work and I am hoping that with much ease than with Prizmo 
and text detector.  Andy and Shubert.
I have to wait for another year to upgrade to the 5s.  It ill be a year on 
the 15th of September that I got this 4s.  I wish I waited a bit longer.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
would not work on the iPhone 4S.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of David Chittenden

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you 
are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure 
I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this 
app. from Mich.

- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly





On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on 
the
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 
to

$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add 
that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared 
to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while 
I

might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results 
free

hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 
ways


to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my


website are s

Re: knfb reader

[Jonathan Mosen]

This goes back to what I posted yesterday. I understand that they are hooking 
into certain iOS 8 API features, some of which are not supported by the 4S.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 31/08/2014, at 5:09 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
> from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
> would not work on the iPhone 4S.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> Yes, the camera is not good enough. 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>> 
>> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
>> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
>> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
>> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
>> Mich.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> 
>> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
>> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
>> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
>> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
>> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
>> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
>> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
>> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
>> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
>> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
>> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
>> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
>> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
>> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
>> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
>> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
>> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
>> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
>> does this effectively.
>> 
>> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
>> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
>> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
>> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
>> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
>> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
>> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
>> product functionality.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
>>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
>>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
>>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
>>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
>>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
>>> card. With back to school they should be around.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Saturd

Re: knfb reader

[Christopher Chaltain]

I guess I tend to take what people and companies say at face value. I 
guess I also don't see what the value is in spending energy dissecting 
what a company says and speculating what's really going on behind the 
scenes. Whether a company announces in July that a product will be 
released at the end of August or whether they announce in August it'll 
be coming out in mid-September, it'll still be coming out when it comes out.


From my experience, upgrades are quite tricky and hard to test. Who 
knows what API changes Apple is making from IOS 7 to IOS 8 and what code 
paths KNFB has in it to work well on both versions. Sure, KNFB can be 
testing upgrades now with the beta of IOS 8, but how many combinations 
of models, memory, other applications and so on can they test. It makes 
sense to me that they'd wait until IOS 8 comes out. This gives them more 
time to test and it means a lot of people will be upgrading to IOS 8 
before installing KNFB, eliminating a lot of potential problems. I seem 
to recall a handful of apps had trouble transitioning from IOS 6 to IOS 7.


Companies are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Didn't we have 
a discussion on this list after IOS 7 came out that Apple should have 
held it off a bit to get more testing in and fix more accessibility 
bugs? Apple places a lot on their big events, so they're not going to 
slip a IOS release, unless it's a major dead on arrival kind of a bug. 
KNFB seems like they're willing to take a hit a bit on postponing their 
release, which by the way means delaying their revenue stream, and maybe 
they're doing this to get a better and more stable product out the door. 
I'm willing to wait a few weeks if it means dealing with fewer issues. 
I'm sure KNFB didn't make this decision lightly, and I'm sure they had 
some very smart people looking at some numbers and making a very tough 
decision.


On 08/30/2014 12:37 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Hi Sieghard.

I tend to agree with you in that it's a lame excuse but it is what it
is. Hopefully it will be worth the wait and price. Personally, I'll be
waiting a while to see what others report. Right now, I'm chomping at
the bit for an iWatch that will hopefully have a decent sounding speaker
and work with VO and Siri.

Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: knfb reader

Hi Jonathan,

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the
public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the
19^th . I guess we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will
be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7
inch model for now with the larger one to follow later. I also heard
rumours now that an iWatch may be announced on the 9^th as well.

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with
these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even
better, but that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released
for the 5S with iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to
the public in which case they should just say so.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen
*Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: knfb reader

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on
or about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and
they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8
will be released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and
they would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The
iOS itself is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release
day the 17th.

One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using
some of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood
changes to the camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com>> wrote:

At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's
release actually held some water, but now that I have read your
message, I agree with you.

Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The
argument to wait with the release until iOS 8 is released is in
my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had access to iOS 

Re: knfb reader

[David Chittenden]

Slower processor, less ram, slower internal bus for data throughput, and so 
forth. They were going to support the 4s. That changed after testing. Means, 
app is very processor intensive. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 31 Aug 2014, at 17:09, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
> from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
> would not work on the iPhone 4S.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> Yes, the camera is not good enough. 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>> 
>> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
>> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
>> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
>> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
>> Mich.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> 
>> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
>> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
>> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
>> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
>> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
>> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
>> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
>> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
>> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
>> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
>> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
>> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
>> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
>> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
>> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
>> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
>> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
>> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
>> does this effectively.
>> 
>> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
>> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
>> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
>> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
>> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
>> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
>> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
>> product functionality.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
>>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
>>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
>>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
>>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
>>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
>>> card. With back to school they should be around.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>&g

RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different from 
that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader would not 
work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
> Mich.
> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
> does this effectively.
> 
> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
> product functionality.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
>> card. With back to school they should be around.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
>> 
>> to Sunday.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances p

Re: knfb reader

[David Chittenden]

Yes, the camera is not good enough. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
> Mich.
> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
> does this effectively.
> 
> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
> product functionality.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
>> card. With back to school they should be around.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
>> 
>> to Sunday.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>> 
>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kelly Pierce" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> 
>> Given all of the many 

Re: knfb reader

[Mich Verrier]

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
Mich.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly




On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on 
the

list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add 
that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared 
to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while 
I

might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 
ways


to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my


website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.

I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
causing us to speculate n

Re: knfb reader

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Richard.

Thank you for the information.

I have looked at their site, it looks interesting. Do you know if braille is 
supported? It ought to be, but when using AT&T, speech it could be without 
braille support.

Best regards Annie.
Den 30/08/2014 kl. 20.32 skrev Richard Turner :

> No one should compare free hand scanning with a flatbed scanner.  That is 
> like comparing apples and oranges.
> However, if one uses a stand for the iPhone like either the Giraffe Reader or 
> the Standscan, then you can get equal results with Prizmo as with a flatbed 
> scanner; i.e. 100 percent accuracy if the printed document is extremely good.
> 
> The true comparison will come when someone uses Prizmo or TextGrabber and the 
> KNFB Reader app free hand.  
> 
> JMO,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
> does this effectively.
> 
> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
> product functionality.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
>> card. With back to school they should be around.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
>> 
>> to Sunday.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>> the Yamaha Tyros

RE: knfb reader

[Richard Turner]

No one should compare free hand scanning with a flatbed scanner.  That is like 
comparing apples and oranges.
However, if one uses a stand for the iPhone like either the Giraffe Reader or 
the Standscan, then you can get equal results with Prizmo as with a flatbed 
scanner; i.e. 100 percent accuracy if the printed document is extremely good.

The true comparison will come when someone uses Prizmo or TextGrabber and the 
KNFB Reader app free hand.  

JMO,
Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly




On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
> card. With back to school they should be around.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
>
> to Sunday.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
>
> Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
> WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
> NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
> release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
> right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
> the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
&g

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

Thanks for this Rick! I can start looking at them then.  I think I would feel 
more comfortable going to a store to see them rather then to order one online 
sight unseen.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on: 
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Alfaro 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:47 AM
  Subject: RE: knfb reader


  Hi Alan.

   

  I have 2 AirPlay compatible printers, one is an HP multi-function inkjet, and 
the other is an HP LaserJet 1102w. They both work very well but I use the 
LaserJet more often because it’s cheaper per page and I don’t care about color, 
just good print.

   

  The multi-function is still a very cool printer because besides printing, you 
can also scan wirelessly so you can place the printer where ever you want after 
it’s been configured without having to worry about anything except having an AC 
outlet for the printer.  The LaserJet 1102w was $90 at the time on Amazon. The 
HP multi-function believe it or not was $39 on a Black Friday deal last year.

   

   

   

  Best regards,

   

  Rick Alfaro

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
  Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 1:11 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: knfb reader

   

  I know my iPad Air is 64 bit along with my 5s so I should be in good shape.

   

  Can anybody recommend a a good air printer?  I'm leaning toward a multi 
functional printer but it has to be air print capable.  And, what about 
accessibility?  Does anybody have one and can shed some light on the topic of 
air printers?

   

   

  Regards,

   

  Alan

   

  Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

   

  Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

   

  Please click on: 
  HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
  There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
  the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:51 AM

    Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Yes, but you won’t get the Alex voice and perhaps some other things that we 
won’t really know until Apple does their big announcement.

Alex will only be on the newer 64 bit devices, like the 5S and the models 
of iPad that are 64 bit.

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone?  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

    Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public 
on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess 
we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 
inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the 
larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be 
announced on the 9th as well.

 

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to 
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these 
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but 
that certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with 
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case 
they should just say so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or 
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and 
they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will 
be released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find ab

Re: knfb reader

[Kelly Pierce]

I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly




On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
> card. With back to school they should be around.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
>
> to Sunday.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
>
> Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
> WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
> NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
> release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
> right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
> the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
> folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
> marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
> vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
> weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
> learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.
>
> I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
> needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
> causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
> meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
> slice brea

RE: knfb reader

[Richard Turner]

Danish is listed in the announcement I just forwarded to the list about
TechTalk on September 8.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Annie Skov Nielsen
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Hi Sieghard.

Do you know if danish is one of the supported languages.

I thing I will invest the money, but unfortunately we do not have a back to
school sale in Denmark.

Best regards Annie.
Den 30/08/2014 kl. 18.25 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :

> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6
ways 
> to Sunday.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
> 
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> 
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
my 
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
> WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
> NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
> release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
> right after release, don't upgrade properly, and then complain about
> the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
> folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
> marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
> vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
> weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
> learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.
> 
> I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
> needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
> causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
> meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
> slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
> the extraordinary.  I'm waiting to learn about actual end user
> experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
> KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
>> on
>> Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
>> guess
>> we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and
a
>> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now
with
>> the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch 
>> may
>> be announced on the 9th as well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
>> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with
these
>> under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
>> but
>> that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
&

RE: knfb reader

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Alan.

 

I have 2 AirPlay compatible printers, one is an HP multi-function inkjet, and 
the other is an HP LaserJet 1102w. They both work very well but I use the 
LaserJet more often because it’s cheaper per page and I don’t care about color, 
just good print.

 

The multi-function is still a very cool printer because besides printing, you 
can also scan wirelessly so you can place the printer where ever you want after 
it’s been configured without having to worry about anything except having an AC 
outlet for the printer.  The LaserJet 1102w was $90 at the time on Amazon. The 
HP multi-function believe it or not was $39 on a Black Friday deal last year.

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I know my iPad Air is 64 bit along with my 5s so I should be in good shape.

 

Can anybody recommend a a good air printer?  I'm leaning toward a multi 
functional printer but it has to be air print capable.  And, what about 
accessibility?  Does anybody have one and can shed some light on the topic of 
air printers?

 

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner <mailto:rich...@turner42.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:51 AM

Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Yes, but you won’t get the Alex voice and perhaps some other things that we 
won’t really know until Apple does their big announcement.

Alex will only be on the newer 64 bit devices, like the 5S and the models of 
iPad that are 64 bit.

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone?  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on 
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess 
we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 
inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the 
larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be 
announced on the 9th as well.

 

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually 
protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the 
hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that 
certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with iOS 7 
unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they 
should just say so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or 
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they 
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be 
released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would 
have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is 
released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.

One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of 
the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held 
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> 
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Well, that’s one w

RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, I have not looked for a list of supported languages, but in their
demo they did say it should launch in quite a few countries right from the
start.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Annie Skov Nielsen
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Hi Sieghard.

Do you know if danish is one of the supported languages.

I thing I will invest the money, but unfortunately we do not have a back to
school sale in Denmark.

Best regards Annie.
Den 30/08/2014 kl. 18.25 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :

> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 
> ways to Sunday.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
> 
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> 
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format 
> formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for
listening!
> 
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at 
> WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the 
> NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the 
> release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app 
> right after release, don't upgrade properly, and then complain about 
> the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage 
> folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a 
> marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on 
> vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This 
> weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is 
> learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.
> 
> I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and 
> needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, 
> causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly 
> meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it 
> slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and 
> the extraordinary.  I'm waiting to learn about actual end user 
> experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people 
> KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the 
>> public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday 
>> the 19th. I guess we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there 
>> will be a 4.7 inch and a
>> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now 
>> with the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an 
>> iWatch may be announced on the 9th as well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to 
>> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with 
>> these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 
>> even better, but that certainly is n

RE: knfb reader

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Sieghard.

 

I tend to agree with you in that it's a lame excuse but it is what it is.
Hopefully it will be worth the wait and price. Personally, I'll be waiting a
while to see what others report. Right now, I'm chomping at the bit for an
iWatch that will hopefully have a decent sounding speaker and work with VO
and Siri.

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess
we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may
be announced on the 9th as well.

 

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but
that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S with
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
case they should just say so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be
released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they
would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself
is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.

One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some
of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the
camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait
with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse.
KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on
the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if
they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the
public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just
saying,

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfRichard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:

Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec
have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating
system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release
here.

 <http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf>
http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf













 





"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" < <mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com>
trea.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

On twitter:

The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full
compatibility with new API's. <http://knfbreader.com/> http://knfbreader.com
#Apple #iPHone

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Re: knfb reader

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Sieghard.

Do you know if danish is one of the supported languages.

I thing I will invest the money, but unfortunately we do not have a back to 
school sale in Denmark.

Best regards Annie.
Den 30/08/2014 kl. 18.25 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :

> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as 
> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the 
> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to 
> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the 
> Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up 
> and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that 
> KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might 
> use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. 
> For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is 
> definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at 
> least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back 
> to school they should be around.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways 
> to Sunday.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
> 
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> 
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
> WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
> NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
> release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
> right after release, don't upgrade properly, and then complain about
> the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
> folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
> marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
> vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
> weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
> learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.
> 
> I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
> needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
> causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
> meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
> slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
> the extraordinary.  I'm waiting to learn about actual end user
> experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
> KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
>> on
>> Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
>> guess
>> we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
>> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
>> the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch 
>> may
>> be announced on the 9th as well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
>> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
>> under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
>> but
>> that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
>> with
>> iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
>> case they should just say so.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Sieghard
>> 
&g

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

I know my iPad Air is 64 bit along with my 5s so I should be in good shape.

Can anybody recommend a a good air printer?  I'm leaning toward a multi 
functional printer but it has to be air print capable.  And, what about 
accessibility?  Does anybody have one and can shed some light on the topic of 
air printers?


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on: 
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:51 AM
  Subject: RE: knfb reader


  Yes, but you won’t get the Alex voice and perhaps some other things that we 
won’t really know until Apple does their big announcement.

  Alex will only be on the newer 64 bit devices, like the 5S and the models of 
iPad that are 64 bit.

  Richard

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
  Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:36 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: knfb reader

   

  Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone?  Andy and Shubert

   

  From: Sieghard Weitzel 

  Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: RE: knfb reader

   

  Hi Jonathan,

   

  Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on 
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess 
we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 
inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the 
larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be 
announced on the 9th as well.

   

  Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually 
protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the 
hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that 
certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with iOS 7 
unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they 
should just say so.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
  Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: knfb reader

   

  I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or 
about the 10th.

  Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they 
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be 
released to developers right after the presentation.

  That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they 
would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is 
released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.

  One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some 
of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the 
camera.

  Jonathan Mosen

  Mosen Consulting

  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

  http://Mosen.org

   

  On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail  wrote:

   

At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually 
held some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

  Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait 
with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB 
had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the 
various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they 
release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it 
hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying,

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
OfRichard Turner
  Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: knfb reader

   

  I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:

  Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec 
have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, 
expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read 

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

I think before I shell out that kind of money, I'll wait to see what you and 
others have to say after you've had the chance to spend some quality time 
with it.



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as 
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the 
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to 
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of 
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that 
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to 
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I 
might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it 
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free 
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get 
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift 
card. With back to school they should be around.



Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Alan Paganelli

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.

I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
the extraordinary.  I’m waiting to learn about actual end user
experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.

Kelly




On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Jonathan,



Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
on
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
guess
we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch
may
be announced on the 9th as well.



Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
but
that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
with
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
case they should just say so.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@google

RE: knfb reader

[Richard Turner]

Yes, but you won’t get the Alex voice and perhaps some other things that we 
won’t really know until Apple does their big announcement.

Alex will only be on the newer 64 bit devices, like the 5S and the models of 
iPad that are 64 bit.

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone?  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on 
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess 
we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 
inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the 
larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be 
announced on the 9th as well.

 

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually 
protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the 
hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that 
certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with iOS 7 
unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they 
should just say so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or 
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they 
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be 
released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would 
have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is 
released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.

One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of 
the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held 
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> 
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait with 
the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had 
access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the various 
iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they release 
the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it hardly 
gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying,

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
OfRichard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:

Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have 
announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, 
expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here.

 <http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf> 
http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf













 





"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" < <mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com> 
trea.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

On twitter:

The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
compatibility with new API's. <http://knfbreader.com/> http://knfbreader.com 
#Apple #iPHone

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Re: knfb reader

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone?  Andy and Shubert

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: knfb reader

Hi Jonathan,

 

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on 
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess 
we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 
inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the 
larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be 
announced on the 9th as well.

 

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually 
protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the 
hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that 
certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with iOS 7 
unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they 
should just say so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or 
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they 
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be 
released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would 
have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is 
released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.

One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of 
the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail  wrote:





  At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held 
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.

   

   

  Thanks,

  Ari


  On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait 
with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB 
had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the 
various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they 
release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it 
hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying,

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
OfRichard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:

Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec 
have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, 
expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here.

http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf
















 






  "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor 
Hugo

   

  Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma"  wrote:

  On twitter:

  The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
compatibility with new API's.http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone

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RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as 
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the 
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 
for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the 
Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and 
a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB 
Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it 
here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me 
being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely 
worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or 
even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they 
should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways 
to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.

I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
the extraordinary.  I’m waiting to learn about actual end user
experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.

Kelly




On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
>
>
> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
> on
> Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
> guess
> we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
> the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch 
> may
> be announced on the 9th as well.
>
>
>
> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
> under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
> but
> that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
> with
> iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
> case they should just say so.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
>
>
> I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
> about the 10th.
>
> Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and
> they
> have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will 
> be
> released to developers right after the presentation.
>
> That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they
> would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS 
> itself
> is released about a week lat

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways 
to Sunday.



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.

I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
the extraordinary.  I’m waiting to learn about actual end user
experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.

Kelly




On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Jonathan,



Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
on
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
guess
we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch 
may

be announced on the 9th as well.



Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
but
that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
with
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
case they should just say so.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader



I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and
they
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will 
be

released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they
would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS 
itself
is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 
17th.


One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using 
some
of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to 
the

camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org



On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:





At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually
held
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.





Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait
with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse.
KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app 
on

the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case,
if
they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the
public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just
saying,



Regards,

Sieghard



From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
OfRichard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To:  <mail

Re: knfb reader

[Kelly Pierce]

Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.

I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
the extraordinary.  I’m waiting to learn about actual end user
experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.

Kelly




On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
>
>
> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
> on
> Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
> guess
> we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
> the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may
> be announced on the 9th as well.
>
>
>
> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
> under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
> but
> that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
> with
> iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
> case they should just say so.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
>
>
> I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
> about the 10th.
>
> Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and
> they
> have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be
> released to developers right after the presentation.
>
> That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they
> would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself
> is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.
>
> One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some
> of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the
> camera.
>
> Jonathan Mosen
>
> Mosen Consulting
>
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>
> http://Mosen.org
>
>
>
> On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail  <mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually
> held
> some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ari
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
> siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>
> Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait
> with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse.
> KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on
> the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case,
> if
> they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the
> public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just
> saying,
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> OfRichard Turner
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
> To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
>
>
> I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:
>
> 

RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Jonathan,

 

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess
we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may
be announced on the 9th as well.

 

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but
that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S with
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
case they should just say so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be
released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they
would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself
is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.

One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some
of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the
camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:





At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait
with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse.
KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on
the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if
they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the
public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just
saying,

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfRichard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:

Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec
have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating
system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release
here.

 <http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf>
http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf
















 






"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" < <mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com>
trea.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

On twitter:

The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full
compatibility with new API's. <http://knfbreader.com/> http://knfbreader.com
#Apple #iPHone

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Re: knfb reader

[Jonathan Mosen]

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or 
about the 10th.
Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they 
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be 
released to developers right after the presentation.
That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would 
have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is 
released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.
One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of 
the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail  wrote:

> At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held 
> some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait 
>> with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. 
>> KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on 
>> the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if 
>> they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the 
>> public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just 
>> saying,
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> OfRichard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>>  
>> I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:
>> Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec 
>> have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
>> scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating 
>> system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release 
>> here.
>> http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma"  wrote:
>> 
>> On twitter:
>> The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
>> compatibility with new API's.http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone
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Re: knfb reader

[don bishop]

To me, the tip off was when they said it works with ios7 and above. 

Don


- Original Message -
From: Gmail 
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Friday, August 29, 2014 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: knfb reader

>
>
> At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held 
> some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> > On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> > 
> > Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait 
> > with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. 
> > KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on 
> > the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, 
> > if they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the 
> > public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just 
> > saying,
> >  
> > Regards,
> > Sieghard
> >  
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Richard Turner
> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: knfb reader
> >  
> > I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:
> > Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec 
> > have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is 
> > being scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 
> > operating system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read 
> > full release here.
> > http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." -- Victor 
> > Hugo
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma"  wrote:
> > 
> > On twitter:
> > The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
> > compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone
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Re: knfb reader

[Gmail]

At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held 
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait 
> with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. 
> KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on 
> the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if 
> they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the 
> public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just 
> saying,
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>  
> I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:
> Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have 
> announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
> scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating 
> system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release 
> here.
> http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma"  wrote:
> 
> On twitter:
> The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
> compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone
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RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait with 
the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had 
access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the various 
iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they release 
the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it hardly 
gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying, 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:

Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have 
announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, 
expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here.

http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf













 





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On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com> > wrote:

On twitter:

The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone

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Re: knfb reader

[Richard Turner]

I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:
Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have 
announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, 
expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here.
http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf





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Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Who makes the KNFB reader? 

> On 29 Aug 2014, at 12:16 pm, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> My point is with a product that is going to be sold to that small a customer 
> base it's not going to be good for this to happen, and may really hurt how 
> many people are willing to stick with their preorders etc. It wasn't smart to 
> announce a release date when they weren't sure they had everything ready to 
> go. 
> 
> Alia
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I wouldn't jump to that conclusion with your braille displays. As Kelly 
>> says, products can be delayed for many reasons. How many times have we had 
>> discussions on this list wishing Apple had postponed a release of IOS a bit 
>> to get more accessibility related bugs fixed. There could be something 
>> catastrophically wrong with the product, but it could also just be poor 
>> planning, needing more time to get some bugs fixed or marketing material 
>> ready or any other number of issues that crop up close to the release of a 
>> product that ultimately have nothing to do with the quality of the product. 
>> As Kelly says, the lack of customer satisfaction or confidence when a 
>> release date is missed is why companies just wait as long as they can to 
>> announce a product so most of these issues can be found and ironed out prior 
>> to the announce date, let alone the release date.
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Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

[Anouk Radix]

I am not sure if there CAN be preorders with an is product. I might be wrong 
though.
I think mos tpeople who want this product will stick around BECAUSE of the 
small market.
Greetings, Anouk,
On 29 Aug 2014, at 13:16, alia robinson  wrote:

> My point is with a product that is going to be sold to that small a customer 
> base it's not going to be good for this to happen, and may really hurt how 
> many people are willing to stick with their preorders etc. It wasn't smart to 
> announce a release date when they weren't sure they had everything ready to 
> go. 
> 
> Alia
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I wouldn't jump to that conclusion with your braille displays. As Kelly 
>> says, products can be delayed for many reasons. How many times have we had 
>> discussions on this list wishing Apple had postponed a release of IOS a bit 
>> to get more accessibility related bugs fixed. There could be something 
>> catastrophically wrong with the product, but it could also just be poor 
>> planning, needing more time to get some bugs fixed or marketing material 
>> ready or any other number of issues that crop up close to the release of a 
>> product that ultimately have nothing to do with the quality of the product. 
>> As Kelly says, the lack of customer satisfaction or confidence when a 
>> release date is missed is why companies just wait as long as they can to 
>> announce a product so most of these issues can be found and ironed out prior 
>> to the announce date, let alone the release date.
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Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

[alia robinson]

My point is with a product that is going to be sold to that small a customer 
base it's not going to be good for this to happen, and may really hurt how many 
people are willing to stick with their preorders etc. It wasn't smart to 
announce a release date when they weren't sure they had everything ready to go. 

Alia
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't jump to that conclusion with your braille displays. As Kelly says, 
> products can be delayed for many reasons. How many times have we had 
> discussions on this list wishing Apple had postponed a release of IOS a bit 
> to get more accessibility related bugs fixed. There could be something 
> catastrophically wrong with the product, but it could also just be poor 
> planning, needing more time to get some bugs fixed or marketing material 
> ready or any other number of issues that crop up close to the release of a 
> product that ultimately have nothing to do with the quality of the product. 
> As Kelly says, the lack of customer satisfaction or confidence when a release 
> date is missed is why companies just wait as long as they can to announce a 
> product so most of these issues can be found and ironed out prior to the 
> announce date, let alone the release date.

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Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion with your braille displays. As Kelly 
says, products can be delayed for many reasons. How many times have we 
had discussions on this list wishing Apple had postponed a release of 
IOS a bit to get more accessibility related bugs fixed. There could be 
something catastrophically wrong with the product, but it could also 
just be poor planning, needing more time to get some bugs fixed or 
marketing material ready or any other number of issues that crop up 
close to the release of a product that ultimately have nothing to do 
with the quality of the product. As Kelly says, the lack of customer 
satisfaction or confidence when a release date is missed is why 
companies just wait as long as they can to announce a product so most of 
these issues can be found and ironed out prior to the announce date, let 
alone the release date.


On 08/28/2014 12:17 PM, alia robinson wrote:

Yep, am watching that very thing happen with varioultra braille displays. they 
announced the end of july, now they are saying mid-september, doesn't bode well 
for the product.

On Aug 28, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

This is why companies don't announce technology until it is almost
ready to ship.  If they blow a deadline, confidence in the product is
lost.  Many factors are out of a company's control.




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Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

[alia robinson]

Yep, am watching that very thing happen with varioultra braille displays. they 
announced the end of july, now they are saying mid-september, doesn’t bode well 
for the product. 
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> This is why companies don’t announce technology until it is almost
> ready to ship.  If they blow a deadline, confidence in the product is
> lost.  Many factors are out of a company’s control.

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Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

[Kelly Pierce]

This is why companies don’t announce technology until it is almost
ready to ship.  If they blow a deadline, confidence in the product is
lost.  Many factors are out of a company’s control.

One way to obtain iTunes gift cards free in the United States is to
obtain a Citibank Forward credit card.  Five points are earned for
every dollar spent at restaurants, bookstores, movie theaters and at
Amazon.  This means that for $500 in spending, one could obtain a $25
gift card for iTunes.  The card rewards won’t pay for the KNFB app
tomorrow, but months’ worth of Amazon purchases and restaurant meals
can add up to lucrative rewards.  There is no other card that offers
this many points on restaurants and on Amazon as the Forward card,
enabling a rapid accumulation of points that can be used for iTunes.

Scanning is in my future this fall.  I am also looking forward to the
release of K1000 version 14.  With my new Windows 8.1 computer, I need
a new scanner and scanning software.  I don’t currently own K1000 and
am awaiting their new version like we are all awaiting the KNFB
reading app.  It feels a little crummy being in a holding pattern for
new technology.

Kelly






On 8/27/14, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> There is a less labour intensive way. Follow them on Twitter, they'll tweet
> the moment it's up.
> Jonathan Mosen
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>
> On 28/08/2014, at 10:16 am, DJ  wrote:
>
>> Oh I think we'll know instantly.  I imagine there are folks spending their
>> days checking for it about every 5 or 10 minutes for it on the app store.
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:39 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?
>>
>> How will be know that it is out?
>>
>> On 27 Aug 2014, at 06:26 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess they really did mean "end of August" *smile*.
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> OfDaniel Miller
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:47 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?
>>> Hi,
>>> From a tweet I saw they posted on the 22nd, it said 8 days.
>>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Hello List,
>>> Not sure if there are any KNFB folks following the list, but I am
>>> wondering if their end of August deadline for the release of KNFB Reader
>>> still stands or whether the app will be delayed. Usually apps don't come
>>> out on weekends and that would only leave 3 or 4 days for the app to show
>>> up. For anybody who is interested in this rather expensive app, I thought
>>> I remind people that maybe with back to school some places may offer
>>> discounts on iTunes gift cards. Last year I bought 3 $50 cards at 7-11
>>> here in Canada for 20% off each, so for $150 worth of iTunes credit I
>>> paid $120. After a bit more than a year I still have almost $60 left and
>>> if one can take advantage of a deal like this the $99 KNFB Reader app
>>> really only costs $79.
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
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Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

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There is a less labour intensive way. Follow them on Twitter, they'll tweet the 
moment it's up.
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On 28/08/2014, at 10:16 am, DJ  wrote:

> Oh I think we'll know instantly.  I imagine there are folks spending their 
> days checking for it about every 5 or 10 minutes for it on the app store.
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?
> 
> How will be know that it is out?
> 
> On 27 Aug 2014, at 06:26 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> I guess they really did mean "end of August" *smile*.
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> OfDaniel Miller
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?
>> Hi,
>> From a tweet I saw they posted on the 22nd, it said 8 days.
>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hello List,
>> Not sure if there are any KNFB folks following the list, but I am wondering 
>> if their end of August deadline for the release of KNFB Reader still stands 
>> or whether the app will be delayed. Usually apps don't come out on weekends 
>> and that would only leave 3 or 4 days for the app to show up. For anybody 
>> who is interested in this rather expensive app, I thought I remind people 
>> that maybe with back to school some places may offer discounts on iTunes 
>> gift cards. Last year I bought 3 $50 cards at 7-11 here in Canada for 20% 
>> off each, so for $150 worth of iTunes credit I paid $120. After a bit more 
>> than a year I still have almost $60 left and if one can take advantage of a 
>> deal like this the $99 KNFB Reader app really only costs $79.
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
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RE: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

[DJ]

Oh I think we'll know instantly.  I imagine there are folks spending their
days checking for it about every 5 or 10 minutes for it on the app store.

  _  

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Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:39 AM
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Subject: Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?


How will be know that it is out?

On 27 Aug 2014, at 06:26 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:



I guess they really did mean "end of August" *smile*.





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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:47 PM
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Hi,



>From a tweet I saw they posted on the 22nd, it said 8 days.





On Aug 26, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:



Hello List,



Not sure if there are any KNFB folks following the list, but I am wondering
if their end of August deadline for the release of KNFB Reader still stands
or whether the app will be delayed. Usually apps don't come out on weekends
and that would only leave 3 or 4 days for the app to show up. For anybody
who is interested in this rather expensive app, I thought I remind people
that maybe with back to school some places may offer discounts on iTunes
gift cards. Last year I bought 3 $50 cards at 7-11 here in Canada for 20%
off each, so for $150 worth of iTunes credit I paid $120. After a bit more
than a year I still have almost $60 left and if one can take advantage of a
deal like this the $99 KNFB Reader app really only costs $79.





Regards,

Sieghard





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RE: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Kawal,

 

Primarily people on Viphone will talk about it. There are enough people on the 
list who follow them on Twitter so they’ll know and there will be some who will 
immediately buy it and post about their experience. Within a few days or a week 
I’m sure there will be a Podcast on Applevis. In any case, you can always open 
the App Store on your iPhone and type in KNFB, I’m sure once it’s out that will 
bring it up. Right now all it brings up is Blio.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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How will be know that it is out?


On 27 Aug 2014, at 06:26 am, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

I guess they really did mean “end of August” *smile*.

 

 

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Subject: Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

 

Hi,

 

>From a tweet I saw they posted on the 22nd, it said 8 days.

 

 

On Aug 26, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Hello List,

 

Not sure if there are any KNFB folks following the list, but I am wondering if 
their end of August deadline for the release of KNFB Reader still stands or 
whether the app will be delayed. Usually apps don’t come out on weekends and 
that would only leave 3 or 4 days for the app to show up. For anybody who is 
interested in this rather expensive app, I thought I remind people that maybe 
with back to school some places may offer discounts on iTunes gift cards. Last 
year I bought 3 $50 cards at 7-11 here in Canada for 20% off each, so for $150 
worth of iTunes credit I paid $120. After a bit more than a year I still have 
almost $60 left and if one can take advantage of a deal like this the $99 KNFB 
Reader app really only costs $79.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

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Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

[Anthony Vece]

Don't worry, we'll be inundated with adds.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5s!

> On Aug 27, 2014, at 6:39 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> How will be know that it is out?
> 
>> On 27 Aug 2014, at 06:26 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I guess they really did mean “end of August” *smile*.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Daniel Miller
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> From a tweet I saw they posted on the 22nd, it said 8 days.
>>  
>>  
>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>  
>> Hello List,
>>  
>> Not sure if there are any KNFB folks following the list, but I am wondering 
>> if their end of August deadline for the release of KNFB Reader still stands 
>> or whether the app will be delayed. Usually apps don’t come out on weekends 
>> and that would only leave 3 or 4 days for the app to show up. For anybody 
>> who is interested in this rather expensive app, I thought I remind people 
>> that maybe with back to school some places may offer discounts on iTunes 
>> gift cards. Last year I bought 3 $50 cards at 7-11 here in Canada for 20% 
>> off each, so for $150 worth of iTunes credit I paid $120. After a bit more 
>> than a year I still have almost $60 left and if one can take advantage of a 
>> deal like this the $99 KNFB Reader app really only costs $79.
>>  
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
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Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

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How will be know that it is out?

> On 27 Aug 2014, at 06:26 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I guess they really did mean “end of August” *smile*.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Daniel Miller
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?
>  
> Hi,
>  
> From a tweet I saw they posted on the 22nd, it said 8 days.
>  
>  
> On Aug 26, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>  
> Hello List,
>  
> Not sure if there are any KNFB folks following the list, but I am wondering 
> if their end of August deadline for the release of KNFB Reader still stands 
> or whether the app will be delayed. Usually apps don’t come out on weekends 
> and that would only leave 3 or 4 days for the app to show up. For anybody who 
> is interested in this rather expensive app, I thought I remind people that 
> maybe with back to school some places may offer discounts on iTunes gift 
> cards. Last year I bought 3 $50 cards at 7-11 here in Canada for 20% off 
> each, so for $150 worth of iTunes credit I paid $120. After a bit more than a 
> year I still have almost $60 left and if one can take advantage of a deal 
> like this the $99 KNFB Reader app really only costs $79.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
>  
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Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

[Trea Abma]

the tweet said:

I think we have 8 days before show time is officially delayed.

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
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Subject: RE: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

I guess they really did mean “end of August” *smile*.

 

 

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Daniel Miller
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:47 PM
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Subject: Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

 

Hi,

 

>From a tweet I saw they posted on the 22nd, it said 8 days.

 

 

  On Aug 26, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

   

  Hello List,

   

  Not sure if there are any KNFB folks following the list, but I am wondering 
if their end of August deadline for the release of KNFB Reader still stands or 
whether the app will be delayed. Usually apps don’t come out on weekends and 
that would only leave 3 or 4 days for the app to show up. For anybody who is 
interested in this rather expensive app, I thought I remind people that maybe 
with back to school some places may offer discounts on iTunes gift cards. Last 
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worth of iTunes credit I paid $120. After a bit more than a year I still have 
almost $60 left and if one can take advantage of a deal like this the $99 KNFB 
Reader app really only costs $79.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

   

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RE: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I guess they really did mean "end of August" *smile*.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

 

Hi,

 

>From a tweet I saw they posted on the 22nd, it said 8 days.

 

 

On Aug 26, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Hello List,

 

Not sure if there are any KNFB folks following the list, but I am wondering
if their end of August deadline for the release of KNFB Reader still stands
or whether the app will be delayed. Usually apps don't come out on weekends
and that would only leave 3 or 4 days for the app to show up. For anybody
who is interested in this rather expensive app, I thought I remind people
that maybe with back to school some places may offer discounts on iTunes
gift cards. Last year I bought 3 $50 cards at 7-11 here in Canada for 20%
off each, so for $150 worth of iTunes credit I paid $120. After a bit more
than a year I still have almost $60 left and if one can take advantage of a
deal like this the $99 KNFB Reader app really only costs $79.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

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Re: KNFB Reader - will it be late?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

>From a tweet I saw they posted on the 22nd, it said 8 days.


> On Aug 26, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hello List,
>  
> Not sure if there are any KNFB folks following the list, but I am wondering 
> if their end of August deadline for the release of KNFB Reader still stands 
> or whether the app will be delayed. Usually apps don't come out on weekends 
> and that would only leave 3 or 4 days for the app to show up. For anybody who 
> is interested in this rather expensive app, I thought I remind people that 
> maybe with back to school some places may offer discounts on iTunes gift 
> cards. Last year I bought 3 $50 cards at 7-11 here in Canada for 20% off 
> each, so for $150 worth of iTunes credit I paid $120. After a bit more than a 
> year I still have almost $60 left and if one can take advantage of a deal 
> like this the $99 KNFB Reader app really only costs $79.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
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Re: How easy is the app to use? was RE: KNFB Reader App

[Brent Harding]

Wow! How on earth would you be able to know where to aim to be able to get the 
board read with it? I think being able to do mail with it would be nice because 
these HP All in ones are slow at scanning as compared to the Epson scanner I 
had before. I wonder if this would help with scanning the paycheck, so then I 
could take the jpeg out and upload it to the deposit feature on my bank's site. 
For whatever reason, even though sighted people say the scan is better than the 
iPhone shot, the bank wants nothing to do with it for an unknown reason.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Amy Billman 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:19 PM
  Subject: RE: How easy is the app to use? was RE: KNFB Reader App


  Hi.

  Of course the one for iOS is not out yet, but I personally found the old KNFB 
reader a bit better at OCR than the OCR products for iOS that exist currently.

  For instance, when we had it my partner and I used it to OCR and read the 
menu that's up on the board at Mcdonalds. That's not been doable with stuff 
like Prismo or Text Detective; at least it hasn't been possible for either of 
us.

  Another thing that we used to do with it back in the day, was use it to 
quickly scan envelopes while standing at the mailbox. This was handy at the 
time because like a sighted person would do, we could weed out the trash and 
only take home what was important.

  Now, if I want to scan the mail, using an OCR solution for the pc ends up 
being the better deal. It would be nice to have a more reliable option.

  The demos that I've listened to seem to indicate that the iOS app is going to 
be equal to if not better than the old KNFB reader mobile solution.

  All I can say, is I sure as hell hope so! This would make it well worth the 
price imho.

  If I can do all of those things efficiently like before, it would be very 
handy. This is not to say that the current apps for iOS are bad, they're just 
rather limiting by comparison, IMO.

   

   

   

  Amy Billman

  Email:

  amy0...@gmail.com

  Connect with me on LinkedIn:

  https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybillman

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Minor
  Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:44 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: How easy is the app to use? was RE: KNFB Reader App

   

  Hi.

   

  I have a question about this app, and more specificly how it worked on other 
devices in the past.  I've heard it compared to other mainstream OCR apps on 
the iPhone.  I'd like to hear from KNFB users who have used this app on other 
devices.  How easy was it to use on these devices, and if you've used other OCR 
apps on an iPhone, how does it compare with these apps?  I think this will give 
us a more accurate idea about how easy the app will be to use.

   

  As for the cost of the app, in my opinion, I wouldn't have a problem paying 
for it if it works as well as people say.  Only problem I may have is I suspect 
the app won't work on an iPhone 4, so I'll have to save up for an iPhone 6 to 
use it.  At least that's what I think the most logical thing to do.

   

  Have a good day, and don't work too hard.

  GO REDS!

  Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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RE: How easy is the app to use? was RE: KNFB Reader App

[Amy Billman]

Hi.
Of course the one for iOS is not out yet, but I personally found the old
KNFB reader a bit better at OCR than the OCR products for iOS that exist
currently.
For instance, when we had it my partner and I used it to OCR and read the
menu that's up on the board at Mcdonalds. That's not been doable with stuff
like Prismo or Text Detective; at least it hasn't been possible for either
of us.
Another thing that we used to do with it back in the day, was use it to
quickly scan envelopes while standing at the mailbox. This was handy at the
time because like a sighted person would do, we could weed out the trash and
only take home what was important.
Now, if I want to scan the mail, using an OCR solution for the pc ends up
being the better deal. It would be nice to have a more reliable option.
The demos that I've listened to seem to indicate that the iOS app is going
to be equal to if not better than the old KNFB reader mobile solution.
All I can say, is I sure as hell hope so! This would make it well worth the
price imho.
If I can do all of those things efficiently like before, it would be very
handy. This is not to say that the current apps for iOS are bad, they're
just rather limiting by comparison, IMO.
 
 
 
Amy Billman
Email:
amy0...@gmail.com
Connect with me on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybillman
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How easy is the app to use? was RE: KNFB Reader App
 
Hi.
 
I have a question about this app, and more specificly how it worked on other
devices in the past.  I've heard it compared to other mainstream OCR apps on
the iPhone.  I'd like to hear from KNFB users who have used this app on
other devices.  How easy was it to use on these devices, and if you've used
other OCR apps on an iPhone, how does it compare with these apps?  I think
this will give us a more accurate idea about how easy the app will be to
use.
 
As for the cost of the app, in my opinion, I wouldn't have a problem paying
for it if it works as well as people say.  Only problem I may have is I
suspect the app won't work on an iPhone 4, so I'll have to save up for an
iPhone 6 to use it.  At least that's what I think the most logical thing to
do.
 
Have a good day, and don't work too hard.
GO REDS!
Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
kmino...@outlook.com
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Re: KNFB Reader presentation mp3

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi, What i think was interesting about this presentation is that nobody asked 
and so no info was given about the apps ability to read LCD and LED displays on 
washing machines, recorders and the like. That's a thing we need as i see it. 
Ok we have Goggles and sometimes it works and sometimes, i'd say most times at 
least for me it doesn't so it would be interesting to know how the KNFB reader 
will stick up against say Goggles when reading displays.
/Krister

> 15 jul 2014 kl. 07:47 skrev Dr. Avnish Chopra M.D. :
> 
> This may be of interest to some:  it is a 48 minutes recording from the  NFB 
> convention. 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1569042/02-KNFB%20Reader%20Presentation%202.mp3
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