Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Gerardo Corripio]

Definitely not standard behavior after major updates. I’ve never had this 
happen on my bard APP THANK GOD.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 20 sep 2018, a la(s) 9:15 a. m., Marie N.  escribió:

> Lisa, I would say that the issue with Bard is definitely not standard 
> behavior with an upgrade and I did not have this with either my ITouch or 
> IPhone. I am constantly surprised when people have such diverse experiences 
> when upgrading the same model of phones. But this might have been because you 
> were skipping IOS 11 whereas I was not.
> Marie
> 
> -Original Message- From: Lisa Belville
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:06 PM
> To: V I Phone
> Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed
> 
> Well, I haven't had that much trouble, to be honest.  Most of my
> settings were intact with one huge exception that I'll talk about below.
> 
> 
> The only issue I had was with the BARD app.  I couldn't navigate from
> tab to tab at all.  I closed the app, restarted the phone, and had the
> same problem.  My next step would have been uninstalling and then
> downloading it again.  But I checked the main settings screen and found
> the BARD Mobile app and found an option to initialize settings within
> that subsection.
> 
> 
> This meant that when I reopened the app, I had to agree to the BARD
> terms of service and reenter my user name and password.  Once this was
> done, my bookshelf, wish list and previous downloads were restored,
> though I did have to readjust settings for using cellular data from
> within the BARD Mobile app.  Oh, and the option to hear progress beeps
> was on when I had it set to off before the update.
> 
> 
> For all I know this could be standard behavior, but I don't remember
> having to do it when I was using BARD with my iPhone 5, but who knows. I
> tend to block out stressful technical things to keep my sanity. 
> 
> 
> The battery seems to be draining faster than usual.  I'm assuming this
> is part of the update as indicated in the article someone mentioned on
> this list the other day.
> 
> 
> Also, I have downloaded the SIRI female voice to use with VO.  It works
> great, but I can't adjust anything as far as volume, speaking rate or
> pitch is concerned.  I've got speaking rate and volume on my rotor, and
> they do absolutely nothing for the female SIRI voice.  I have UK and
> Australian voices in my rotor, as well as the male SIRI U.S. voice and
> they all can be adjusted.
> 
> 
> None of these are showstoppers for me.  I'm sure I'll run across minor
> things.  So far every app I've opened that is part of the native iOS
> package gives me welcome screens and little summaries about new
> features.  But all works as it should once I've gotten past those screens.
> 
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
>> On 9/19/2018 9:45 PM, Robin wrote:
>> ThankYou,Lisa B for sharing your Experience  with  your Findings about 
>> transitioning from iOS10.3.3  to iOS12 on  an iPhoneSE ... Have you noticed 
>> any HickUps or perceived flaws or perceived bugs? If so, have these Flaws or 
>> Bugs or HickUps impacted your performance using VoiceOver (I,Robin Presume) 
>> you,Lisa B use VoiceOver  ... on Apple's iOS12
>> 
>> What Replacement did you Locate   for the iOS MobileApp, EyeNote?
>> At 07:18 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
>>> Robin, most of the apps I had that weren't compatible with iOS 11 would pop 
>>> up a message saying the developer needed to update the app before it would 
>>> work with iOS 11.  This was a pop up dialog that appeared when the app was 
>>> opened and could be gotten rid of with a double tap of the Okay button.  
>>> Once that dialog was gone, the app functioned normally.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just off the top of my head, the apps I no longer have access to are 
>>> Eyenote, Color ID, Agogo, Sixth Sense and Where's ducky. When I tried 
>>> opening these apps after the update I got the same message I'd get before 
>>> the update, only now the app doesn't open when the message disappears, I 
>>> just land back on the home screen.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I will miss Sixth Sense, but I've found better if not superior replacements 
>>> for the other apps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>>> 
>>>> On 9/19/2018 8:11 PM, Robin wrote:
>>>> ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from 
>>>> iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not s

RE: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Carolyn Arnold]

Thanks for that information; I learned something new today. I was thinking 
about two friends who recently got sevens, both 32, and I thought, oh no, they 
won't benefit either. I see what you mean, kind of like my Victor Reader 
Stream, what it has itself and what is on the SD card. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie N.
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 12:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

Carolyn the SE is a 64 bit system. The 32 you are referring to is the amount of 
storage which is 32 GB. And yes, you should upgrade to IOS 12.

-Original Message-
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

So should I just not update to 12?

Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed


32 bit apps will never be supported again. So, either the developer needs to 
update their apps, or you have to find a replacement or stay on 10.3.3.
Richard



"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the 
right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - 
Dorothy Nevill







[Sent from my little hand-held computer]



On Sep 19, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net> > wrote:



ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from 
iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard & I 
don't See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure if any 
of the usual or most often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or 64Bit & I 
recall iOS11 & Above don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B could share 
YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing List as 
I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be interested in 
your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  Transition from 
iOS10.3.3
At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:


Hi, all.








Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.








Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air updates 
for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least some times. 
Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I started using iTunes 
because it gave me a progress in percentages every few minutes.  It still 
took forever.








But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight minutes. 
The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 which was the same 
thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting here next to me while I 
did Emails on the PC.  Every couple of minutes I'd use a light probe to see 
if the screen was still lit, which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little 
chirpy noise that indicates VO has done something. . . Opened or left a 
menu. The PC clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.








I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I haven't 
played around with some of the new changes, but so far I really like the 
female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.








So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS versions behind, you should 
probably be Okay.








Lisa











Lisa Belville





missktlab1...@frontier.com <mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>





On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:


Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining to Updating your iPhoneSE 
with iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on iOS10.3.3  &  My 
MobileCarrier is VZW





>From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable & Snappy, which hasn't been 
the case  with the recent iOS updates  from iOS8 & Up





GoodLuck


At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:


Hi, all.








I am using windows 10 with the latest version of NVDA.  I currently have 
an iPhone SE that is still running iOS 10.3.  I haven't updated it 
because in the past year I've had to update to a new PC with Windows 10, and 
I used my phone as my primary technology for several months before that, so 
was afraid to do an over the air update to iOS 11.  Now, though, I want 
to move up to iOS 12 if possible.








My concern has to do with whether or not to use iTunes or over the air to do 
the update from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all should go well, but I 
don't want to wind up with a nice rose gold SE brick phone.  .








I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my iPhone 5, and when they 
updated to a new machine, they copied everything over to the new ha

RE: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Carolyn Arnold]

I will do that then. First I had understood that with 12, response was a lot 
better. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
karuna Chopra
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

If you are using an iPhone SE, I highly recommend that you upgrade to iOS 12.0.
I did that on my iPhone SE and have had no regrets!
🍻Cheers! 

On 20-Sep-2018, at 8:36 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

My
SE 32 has 11.4.1. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from iOS10.3.3 
to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard & I don't See myself 
updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure if any of the usual or most 
often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or 64Bit & I recall iOS11 & Above don't 
support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa 
B could share  YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this 
Mailing List as I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be 
interested in your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  Transition 
from iOS10.3.3 At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
> Hi, all.
> 
> 
> Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.
> 
> 
> Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air 
> updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least 
> some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I 
> started using iTunes because it gave me a progress in percentages 
> every few minutes.  It still took forever.
> 
> 
> But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight 
> minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 
> which was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting 
> here next to me while I did Emails on the PC.  Every couple of 
> minutes I'd use a light probe to see if the screen was still lit, 
> which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy noise that 
> indicates VO has done something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC 
> clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.
> 
> 
> I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I 
> haven't played around with some of the new changes, but so far I 
> really like the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.
> 
> 
> So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS versions behind, you should 
> probably be Okay.
> 
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> 
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
>> On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
>> Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining to Updating your 
>> iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to
>> iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on iOS10.3.3  &  My 
>> MobileCarrier is VZW
>> 
>> From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable & Snappy, which hasn't 
>> been the case  with the recent iOS updates  from iOS8 & Up
>> 
>> GoodLuck
>> At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:
>>> Hi, all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am using windows 10 with the latest version of NVDA.  I 
>>> currently have an iPhone SE that is still running iOS 10.3.  I 
>>> haven't updated it because in the past year I've had to update to a 
>>> new PC with Windows 10, and I used my phone as my primary technology 
>>> for several months before that, so was afraid to do an over the air 
>>> update to iOS 11.  Now, though, I want to move up to iOS 12 if 
>>> possible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My concern has to do with whether or not to use iTunes or over the 
>>> air to do the update from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all 
>>> should go well, but I don't want to wind up with a nice rose gold SE 
>>> brick phone.  .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my 
>>> iPhone 5, and when they updated to a new 
>>> machine, they copied everything over to the 
>>> new hard drive.  I have the old iTunes 
>>> library, but not the iTunes program itself, at 
>>> least I don't find it doing a search.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have been following the discussion about 
>>> iTunes accessibility, so I downloaded iTunes 
>>> for Business in

Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Marie N.]

Carolyn the SE is a 64 bit system. The 32 you are referring to is the amount 
of storage which is 32 GB. And yes, you should upgrade to IOS 12.


-Original Message- 
From: Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

So should I just not update to 12?

Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed


32 bit apps will never be supported again. So, either the developer needs to 
update their apps, or you have to find a replacement or stay on 10.3.3.

Richard



"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the 
right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - 
Dorothy Nevill








[Sent from my little hand-held computer]



On Sep 19, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Robin <mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net> > wrote:




ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from 
iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard & I 
don't See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure if any 
of the usual or most often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or 64Bit & I 
recall iOS11 & Above don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B could share 
YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing List as 
I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be interested in 
your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  Transition from 
iOS10.3.3

At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:


Hi, all.








Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.








Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air updates 
for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least some times. 
Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I started using iTunes 
because it gave me a progress in percentages every few minutes.  It still 
took forever.









But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight minutes. 
The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 which was the same 
thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting here next to me while I 
did Emails on the PC.  Every couple of minutes I'd use a light probe to see 
if the screen was still lit, which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little 
chirpy noise that indicates VO has done something. . . Opened or left a 
menu. The PC clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.









I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I haven't 
played around with some of the new changes, but so far I really like the 
female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.









So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS versions behind, you should 
probably be Okay.









Lisa











Lisa Belville





missktlab1...@frontier.com <mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>





On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:


Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining to Updating your iPhoneSE 
with iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on iOS10.3.3  &  My 
MobileCarrier is VZW






From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable & Snappy, which hasn't been 

the case  with the recent iOS updates  from iOS8 & Up





GoodLuck


At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:


Hi, all.








I am using windows 10 with the latest version of NVDA.  I currently have 
an iPhone SE that is still running iOS 10.3.  I haven't updated it 
because in the past year I've had to update to a new PC with Windows 10, and 
I used my phone as my primary technology for several months before that, so 
was afraid to do an over the air update to iOS 11.  Now, though, I want 
to move up to iOS 12 if possible.









My concern has to do with whether or not to use iTunes or over the air to do 
the update from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all should go well, but I 
don't want to wind up with a nice rose gold SE brick phone.  .









I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my iPhone 5, and when they 
updated to a new machine, they copied everything over to the new hard 
drive.  I have the old iTunes library, but not the iTunes program itself, 
at least I don't find it doing a search.









I have been following the discussion about iTunes accessibility, so I 
downloaded iTunes for Business in the hope it would be easier than previous 
versions of iTunes I've tried.









Now I'm unsure if I should just install the business version or if I need to 
do something with the residual iTunes that was copied from the older system.









I'm also unsure if I just connect the phone

Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[karuna Chopra]

If you are using an iPhone SE, I highly recommend that you upgrade to iOS 12.0.
I did that on my iPhone SE and have had no regrets!
🍻Cheers! 

On 20-Sep-2018, at 8:36 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

My 
SE 32 has 11.4.1. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from iOS10.3.3 
to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard & I don't See myself 
updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure if any of the usual or most 
often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or 64Bit & I recall iOS11 & Above don't 
support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa 
B could share  YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this 
Mailing List as I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be 
interested in your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  Transition 
from iOS10.3.3 At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
> Hi, all.
> 
> 
> Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.
> 
> 
> Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air 
> updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least 
> some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I 
> started using iTunes because it gave me a progress in percentages every 
> few minutes.  It still took forever.
> 
> 
> But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight 
> minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 
> which was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting 
> here next to me while I did Emails on the PC.  Every couple of minutes 
> I'd use a light probe to see if the screen was still lit, which it 
> was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy noise that indicates VO has 
> done something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC clock said 2:34 and 
> so did the phone.
> 
> 
> I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I haven't 
> played around with some of the new changes, but so far I really like 
> the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.
> 
> 
> So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS 
> versions behind, you should probably be Okay.
> 
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> 
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
>> On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
>> Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining 
>> to Updating your iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to 
>> iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on iOS10.3.3  &  My MobileCarrier is 
>> VZW
>> 
>> From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable 
>> & Snappy, which hasn't been the case  with 
>> the recent iOS updates  from iOS8 & Up
>> 
>> GoodLuck
>> At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:
>>> Hi, all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am using windows 10 with the latest version 
>>> of NVDA.  I currently have an iPhone SE 
>>> that is still running iOS 10.3.  I haven't 
>>> updated it because in the past year I've had 
>>> to update to a new PC with Windows 10, and I 
>>> used my phone as my primary technology for 
>>> several months before that, so was afraid to 
>>> do an over the air update to iOS 11.  Now, 
>>> though, I want to move up to iOS 12 if possible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My concern has to do with whether or not to 
>>> use iTunes or over the air to do the update 
>>> from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all 
>>> should go well, but I don't want to wind up 
>>> with a nice rose gold SE brick phone.  .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my 
>>> iPhone 5, and when they updated to a new 
>>> machine, they copied everything over to the 
>>> new hard drive.  I have the old iTunes 
>>> library, but not the iTunes program itself, at 
>>> least I don't find it doing a search.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have been following the discussion about 
>>> iTunes accessibility, so I downloaded iTunes 
>>> for Business in the hope it would be easier 
>>> than previous versions of iTunes I've tried.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now I'm unsure if I should just install the 
>>> business version or if I need to do something 
>>> with the residual iTunes that was copied from the old

RE: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Carolyn Arnold]

So should I just not update to 12? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed


32 bit apps will never be supported again. So, either the developer needs to 
update their apps, or you have to find a replacement or stay on 10.3.3. 
Richard



"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill







[Sent from my little hand-held computer]



On Sep 19, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net> > wrote:



ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from 
iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard & I don't 
See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure if any of the 
usual or most often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or 64Bit & I recall iOS11 & 
Above don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B could share  
YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing List as I 
beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be interested in your 
Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  Transition from iOS10.3.3
At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:


Hi, all.








Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.








Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over 
the air updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least 
some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I started 
using iTunes because it gave me a progress in percentages every few minutes.  
It still took forever.








But today's update went off without a hitch and took about 
eight minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 which 
was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting here next to me 
while I did Emails on the PC.  Every couple of minutes I'd use a light probe 
to see if the screen was still lit, which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little 
chirpy noise that indicates VO has done something. . . Opened or left a menu. 
The PC clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.








I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I 
haven't played around with some of the new changes, but so far I really like 
the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.








So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS versions behind, you 
should probably be Okay.








Lisa











Lisa Belville





missktlab1...@frontier.com <mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com> 





On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:


Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining to 
Updating your iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on 
iOS10.3.3Â  &Â  My MobileCarrier is VZW





From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable & Snappy, 
which hasn't been the case  with the recent iOS updates  from iOS8 & Up





GoodLuck


At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:


Hi, all.








I am using windows 10 with the latest version 
of NVDA.  I currently have an iPhone SE that is still running iOS 10.3.  
I haven't updated it because in the past year I've had to update to a new PC 
with Windows 10, and I used my phone as my primary technology for

RE: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Carolyn Arnold]

My 
SE 32 has 11.4.1. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from iOS10.3.3 
to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard & I don't See myself 
updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure if any of the usual or most 
often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or 64Bit & I recall iOS11 & Above don't 
support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa 
B could share  YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this 
Mailing List as I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be 
interested in your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  Transition 
from iOS10.3.3 At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
>Hi, all.
>
>
>Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.
>
>
>Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air 
>updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least 
>some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I 
>started using iTunes because it gave me a progress in percentages every 
>few minutes.  It still took forever.
>
>
>But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight 
>minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 
>which was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting 
>here next to me while I did Emails on the PC.  Every couple of minutes 
>I'd use a light probe to see if the screen was still lit, which it 
>was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy noise that indicates VO has 
>done something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC clock said 2:34 and 
>so did the phone.
>
>
>I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I haven't 
>played around with some of the new changes, but so far I really like 
>the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.
>
>
>So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS 
>versions behind, you should probably be Okay.
>
>
>Lisa
>
>
>
>Lisa Belville
>
>missktlab1...@frontier.com
>
>On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
>>Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining 
>>to Updating your iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to 
>>iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on iOS10.3.3  &  My MobileCarrier is VZW
>>
>> From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable 
>> & Snappy, which hasn't been the case  with 
>> the recent iOS updates  from iOS8 & Up
>>
>>GoodLuck
>>At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:
>>>Hi, all.
>>>
>>>
>>>I am using windows 10 with the latest version 
>>>of NVDA.  I currently have an iPhone SE 
>>>that is still running iOS 10.3.  I haven't 
>>>updated it because in the past year I've had 
>>>to update to a new PC with Windows 10, and I 
>>>used my phone as my primary technology for 
>>>several months before that, so was afraid to 
>>>do an over the air update to iOS 11.  Now, 
>>>though, I want to move up to iOS 12 if possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>My concern has to do with whether or not to 
>>>use iTunes or over the air to do the update 
>>>from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all 
>>>should go well, but I don't want to wind up 
>>>with a nice rose gold SE brick phone.  .
>>>
>>>
>>>I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my 
>>>iPhone 5, and when they updated to a new 
>>>machine, they copied everything over to the 
>>>new hard drive.  I have the old iTunes 
>>>library, but not the iTunes program itself, at 
>>>least I don't find it doing a search.
>>>
>>>
>>>I have been following the discussion about 
>>>iTunes accessibility, so I downloaded iTunes 
>>>for Business in the hope it would be easier 
>>>than previous versions of iTunes I've tried.
>>>
>>>
>>>Now I'm unsure if I should just install the 
>>>business version or if I need to do something 
>>>with the residual iTunes that was copied from the older system.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm also unsure if I just connect the phone to 
>>>the new PC and the newly installed iTunes will 
>>>take it from there.  I don't remember how I 
>>>dealt with this when I first got the iPhone 
>>>and installed iTunes several 

Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Marie N.]

Lisa, I would say that the issue with Bard is definitely not standard 
behavior with an upgrade and I did not have this with either my ITouch or 
IPhone. I am constantly surprised when people have such diverse experiences 
when upgrading the same model of phones. But this might have been because 
you were skipping IOS 11 whereas I was not.

Marie

-Original Message- 
From: Lisa Belville

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:06 PM
To: V I Phone
Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

Well, I haven't had that much trouble, to be honest.  Most of my
settings were intact with one huge exception that I'll talk about below.


The only issue I had was with the BARD app.  I couldn't navigate from
tab to tab at all.  I closed the app, restarted the phone, and had the
same problem.  My next step would have been uninstalling and then
downloading it again.  But I checked the main settings screen and found
the BARD Mobile app and found an option to initialize settings within
that subsection.


This meant that when I reopened the app, I had to agree to the BARD
terms of service and reenter my user name and password.  Once this was
done, my bookshelf, wish list and previous downloads were restored,
though I did have to readjust settings for using cellular data from
within the BARD Mobile app.  Oh, and the option to hear progress beeps
was on when I had it set to off before the update.


For all I know this could be standard behavior, but I don't remember
having to do it when I was using BARD with my iPhone 5, but who knows. I
tend to block out stressful technical things to keep my sanity. 


The battery seems to be draining faster than usual.  I'm assuming this
is part of the update as indicated in the article someone mentioned on
this list the other day.


Also, I have downloaded the SIRI female voice to use with VO.  It works
great, but I can't adjust anything as far as volume, speaking rate or
pitch is concerned.  I've got speaking rate and volume on my rotor, and
they do absolutely nothing for the female SIRI voice.  I have UK and
Australian voices in my rotor, as well as the male SIRI U.S. voice and
they all can be adjusted.


None of these are showstoppers for me.  I'm sure I'll run across minor
things.  So far every app I've opened that is part of the native iOS
package gives me welcome screens and little summaries about new
features.  But all works as it should once I've gotten past those screens.


Lisa




Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/19/2018 9:45 PM, Robin wrote:
ThankYou,Lisa B for sharing your Experience  with  your Findings about 
transitioning from iOS10.3.3  to iOS12 on  an iPhoneSE ... Have you 
noticed any HickUps or perceived flaws or perceived bugs? If so, have 
these Flaws or Bugs or HickUps impacted your performance using VoiceOver 
(I,Robin Presume) you,Lisa B use VoiceOver  ... on Apple's iOS12


What Replacement did you Locate   for the iOS MobileApp, EyeNote?
At 07:18 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
Robin, most of the apps I had that weren't compatible with iOS 11 would 
pop up a message saying the developer needed to update the app before it 
would work with iOS 11.  This was a pop up dialog that appeared when the 
app was opened and could be gotten rid of with a double tap of the Okay 
button.  Once that dialog was gone, the app functioned normally.



Just off the top of my head, the apps I no longer have access to are 
Eyenote, Color ID, Agogo, Sixth Sense and Where's ducky. When I tried 
opening these apps after the update I got the same message I'd get before 
the update, only now the app doesn't open when the message disappears, I 
just land back on the home screen.



I will miss Sixth Sense, but I've found better if not superior 
replacements for the other apps.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/19/2018 8:11 PM, Robin wrote:
ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from 
iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard & 
I don't See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure if 
any of the usual or most often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or 64Bit 
& I recall iOS11 & Above don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B could share 
YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing List 
as I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be interested 
in your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  Transition from 
iOS10.3.3

At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:

Hi, all.


Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.


Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air 
updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least 
some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I 
started using iTunes because 

RE: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Richard Turner]

I agree that everyone who is blind should have Seeing AI on their phone, but if 
you want a stand alone money identifier for US currency that will tell you 
whether it is the front or back of the bill, EyeNote works great and is the 
only one that does front/back.

I mention the front/back thing because I had a client who really, really wanted 
to keep his money all facing the same direction in his wallet.

If you need to identify money from something over  20 countries including the 
US, then Money Reader is the one you want.

But, Seeing AI is the most useful app for multiple functions in the app store, 
and its money identifier works as well as any other, you simply have to flick 
to that channel.  I personally tend to use one of the dedicated money 
identifiers when all I want to do is check my folding money, but if I already 
am using Seeing AI, I will simply use it rather than switching to another ap.

It is great to have choices.

Richard





“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

Or use the Seeing AI app, every blind person should have it on their phone 
anyways and it’s currency identification is every bit as good as Nand Money 
Reader.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed


EyeNote was updated to 64 bit in January. Delete the one you have and download 
it again and it works great.
Richard


"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill





[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Sep 19, 2018, at 7:21 PM, lenron brown 
mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sixth sense and a couple other games or the only things I miss. Other
than that it's great using IOS 12

On 9/19/18, Lisa Belville 
mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>> wrote:
Robin, most of the apps I had that weren't compatible with iOS 11 would
pop up a message saying the developer needed to update the app before it
would work with iOS 11.  This was a pop up dialog that appeared when the
app was opened and could be gotten rid of with a double tap of the Okay
button.  Once that dialog was gone, the app functioned normally.


Just off the top of my head, the apps I no longer have access to are
Eyenote, Color ID, Agogo, Sixth Sense and Where's ducky.  When I tried
opening these apps after the update I got the same message I'd get
before the update, only now the app doesn't open when the message
disappears, I just land back on the home screen.


I will miss Sixth Sense, but I've found better if not superior
replacements for the other apps.


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com<mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>

On 9/19/2018 8:11 PM, Robin wrote:
ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from
iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard &
I don't See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure
if any of the usual or most often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or
64Bit & I recall iOS11 & Above don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B could share
YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing
List as I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be
interested in your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the
Transition from iOS10.3.3
At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
Hi, all.


Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.


Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air
updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least
some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I
started using iTunes because it gave me a progress in percentages
every few minutes.  It still took forever.


But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight
minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26
which was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting
here next to me while I did Emails on the PC. Every couple of
minutes I'd use a light probe to see if the screen was still lit,
which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy noise that
indicates VO has done something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC
clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.


I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I
haven't played around with some of t

Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Lisa Belville]

Well, I haven't had that much trouble, to be honest.  Most of my 
settings were intact with one huge exception that I'll talk about below.



The only issue I had was with the BARD app.  I couldn't navigate from 
tab to tab at all.  I closed the app, restarted the phone, and had the 
same problem.  My next step would have been uninstalling and then 
downloading it again.  But I checked the main settings screen and found 
the BARD Mobile app and found an option to initialize settings within 
that subsection.



This meant that when I reopened the app, I had to agree to the BARD 
terms of service and reenter my user name and password.  Once this was 
done, my bookshelf, wish list and previous downloads were restored, 
though I did have to readjust settings for using cellular data from 
within the BARD Mobile app.  Oh, and the option to hear progress beeps 
was on when I had it set to off before the update.



For all I know this could be standard behavior, but I don't remember 
having to do it when I was using BARD with my iPhone 5, but who knows. I 
tend to block out stressful technical things to keep my sanity. 



The battery seems to be draining faster than usual.  I'm assuming this 
is part of the update as indicated in the article someone mentioned on 
this list the other day.



Also, I have downloaded the SIRI female voice to use with VO.  It works 
great, but I can't adjust anything as far as volume, speaking rate or 
pitch is concerned.  I've got speaking rate and volume on my rotor, and 
they do absolutely nothing for the female SIRI voice.  I have UK and 
Australian voices in my rotor, as well as the male SIRI U.S. voice and 
they all can be adjusted.



None of these are showstoppers for me.  I'm sure I'll run across minor 
things.  So far every app I've opened that is part of the native iOS 
package gives me welcome screens and little summaries about new 
features.  But all works as it should once I've gotten past those screens.



Lisa




Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/19/2018 9:45 PM, Robin wrote:
ThankYou,Lisa B for sharing your Experience  with  your Findings about 
transitioning from iOS10.3.3  to iOS12 on  an iPhoneSE ... Have you 
noticed any HickUps or perceived flaws or perceived bugs? If so, have 
these Flaws or Bugs or HickUps impacted your performance using 
VoiceOver (I,Robin Presume) you,Lisa B use VoiceOver  ... on Apple's 
iOS12


What Replacement did you Locate   for the iOS MobileApp, EyeNote?
At 07:18 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
Robin, most of the apps I had that weren't compatible with iOS 11 
would pop up a message saying the developer needed to update the app 
before it would work with iOS 11.  This was a pop up dialog that 
appeared when the app was opened and could be gotten rid of with a 
double tap of the Okay button.  Once that dialog was gone, the app 
functioned normally.



Just off the top of my head, the apps I no longer have access to are 
Eyenote, Color ID, Agogo, Sixth Sense and Where's ducky. When I 
tried opening these apps after the update I got the same message I'd 
get before the update, only now the app doesn't open when the message 
disappears, I just land back on the home screen.



I will miss Sixth Sense, but I've found better if not superior 
replacements for the other apps.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/19/2018 8:11 PM, Robin wrote:
ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from 
iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on 
Aboard & I don't See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because 
I'm unsure if any of the usual or most often used iOS Apps on MySE 
are 32Bit or 64Bit & I recall iOS11 & Above don't support 32Bit 
MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B could share 
YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing 
List as I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be 
interested in your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  
Transition from iOS10.3.3

At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:

Hi, all.


Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.


Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the 
air updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at 
least some times.  Going that long without speech made me 
nervous, so I started using iTunes because it gave me a progress in 
percentages every few minutes.  It still took forever.



But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight 
minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 
2:26 which was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone 
sitting here next to me while I did Emails on the PC. Every 
couple of minutes I'd use a light probe to see if the screen was 
still lit, which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy 
noise that indicates VO has done something. . . Opened or left a 
menu. The PC clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.



I haven't 

RE: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Or use the Seeing AI app, every blind person should have it on their phone 
anyways and it’s currency identification is every bit as good as Nand Money 
Reader.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed


EyeNote was updated to 64 bit in January. Delete the one you have and download 
it again and it works great.
Richard


"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill





[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Sep 19, 2018, at 7:21 PM, lenron brown 
mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sixth sense and a couple other games or the only things I miss. Other
than that it's great using IOS 12

On 9/19/18, Lisa Belville 
mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>> wrote:

Robin, most of the apps I had that weren't compatible with iOS 11 would
pop up a message saying the developer needed to update the app before it
would work with iOS 11.  This was a pop up dialog that appeared when the
app was opened and could be gotten rid of with a double tap of the Okay
button.  Once that dialog was gone, the app functioned normally.


Just off the top of my head, the apps I no longer have access to are
Eyenote, Color ID, Agogo, Sixth Sense and Where's ducky.  When I tried
opening these apps after the update I got the same message I'd get
before the update, only now the app doesn't open when the message
disappears, I just land back on the home screen.


I will miss Sixth Sense, but I've found better if not superior
replacements for the other apps.


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com<mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>

On 9/19/2018 8:11 PM, Robin wrote:
ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from
iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard &
I don't See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure
if any of the usual or most often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or
64Bit & I recall iOS11 & Above don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B could share
YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing
List as I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be
interested in your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the
Transition from iOS10.3.3
At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
Hi, all.


Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.


Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air
updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least
some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I
started using iTunes because it gave me a progress in percentages
every few minutes.  It still took forever.


But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight
minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26
which was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting
here next to me while I did Emails on the PC. Every couple of
minutes I'd use a light probe to see if the screen was still lit,
which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy noise that
indicates VO has done something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC
clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.


I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I
haven't played around with some of the new changes, but so far I
really like the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.


So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS versions behind, you should
probably be Okay.


Lisa



Lisa Belville

missktlab1...@frontier.com<mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>

On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining to Updating your
iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on
iOS10.3.3Â  &Â  My MobileCarrier is VZW

>From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable & Snappy, which hasn't
been the case  with the recent iOS updates from iOS8 & Up

GoodLuck
At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:
Hi, all.


I am using windows 10 with the latest version of NVDA.  I
currently have an iPhone SE that is still running iOS 10.3.  I
haven't updated it because in the past year I've had to update to a
new PC with Windows 10, and I used my phone as my primary
technology for several months before that, so was afraid to do an
over the air update to iOS 11.  Now, though, I want to move up
to iOS 12 if possible.


My concern has to do with whether or not to use iTunes or over the
air to do the update from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all
should go well, but I don't want to wind up with a nice rose gold
SE brick phone. .


I used iTunes on my old XP system to upda

RE: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just go to Settings > General > About, I am pretty sure it was there where it 
will show you a list of apps which are 32 bit and would be a problem. If you 
realize all your apps are 64 bit then I really think you should update, iOS 12 
is the best iOS in many years and your SE will run better and faster.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating 
your iPhoneSE from iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But 
I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard & I 
don't See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 
because I'm unsure if any of the usual or most 
often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or 64Bit & 
I recall iOS11 & Above don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B 
could share  YourExperiences with iOS12 with 
Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing List as I 
beleive there are more people on the Fence, who 
might be interested in your Findings as it 
relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  Transition from iOS10.3.3
At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
>Hi, all.
>
>
>Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.
>
>
>Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use 
>iTunes or Over the air updates for my iPhone 
>five and it took forever. . . an hour at least 
>some times.  Going that long without speech 
>made me nervous, so I started using iTunes 
>because it gave me a progress in percentages 
>every few minutes.  It still took forever.
>
>
>But today's update went off without a hitch and 
>took about eight minutes.  The last time I 
>heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 which 
>was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the 
>phone sitting here next to me while I did Emails 
>on the PC.  Every couple of minutes I'd use a 
>light probe to see if the screen was still lit, 
>which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little 
>chirpy noise that indicates VO has done 
>something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC 
>clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.
>
>
>I haven't had any problems getting everything 
>reconfigured.  I haven't played around with 
>some of the new changes, but so far I really 
>like the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.
>
>
>So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS 
>versions behind, you should probably be Okay.
>
>
>Lisa
>
>
>
>Lisa Belville
>
>missktlab1...@frontier.com
>
>On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
>>Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining 
>>to Updating your iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to 
>>iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on iOS10.3.3  &  My MobileCarrier is VZW
>>
>> From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable 
>> & Snappy, which hasn't been the case  with 
>> the recent iOS updates  from iOS8 & Up
>>
>>GoodLuck
>>At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:
>>>Hi, all.
>>>
>>>
>>>I am using windows 10 with the latest version 
>>>of NVDA.  I currently have an iPhone SE 
>>>that is still running iOS 10.3.  I haven't 
>>>updated it because in the past year I've had 
>>>to update to a new PC with Windows 10, and I 
>>>used my phone as my primary technology for 
>>>several months before that, so was afraid to 
>>>do an over the air update to iOS 11.  Now, 
>>>though, I want to move up to iOS 12 if possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>My concern has to do with whether or not to 
>>>use iTunes or over the air to do the update 
>>>from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all 
>>>should go well, but I don't want to wind up 
>>>with a nice rose gold SE brick phone.  .
>>>
>>>
>>>I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my 
>>>iPhone 5, and when they updated to a new 
>>>machine, they copied everything over to the 
>>>new hard drive.  I have the old iTunes 
>>>library, but not the iTunes program itself, at 
>>>least I don't find it doing a search.
>>>
>>>
>>>I have been following the discussion about 
>>>iTunes accessibility, so I downloaded iTunes 
>>>for Business in the hope it would be easier 
>>>than previous versions of iTunes I've tried.
>>>
>>>
>>>Now I'm unsure if I should just install the 
>>>business version or if I need to do something 
>>>with the residual iTunes that was copied from the older system.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm also unsu

Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Robin]

ThankYou,Richard for the notification that iOS's 
EyeNote was Updated to operate  via 64Bit as 
opposed to its previous 32Bit, this info is very much & greatly appreciated!

At 07:34 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:

EyeNote was updated to 64 bit in January. Delete 
the one you have and download it again and it works great.

Richard


"The real art of conversation is not only to say 
the right thing at the right place but to leave 
unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy Nevill




[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Sep 19, 2018, at 7:21 PM, lenron brown 
<lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:



Sixth sense and a couple other games or the only things I miss. Other
than that it's great using IOS 12

On 9/19/18, Lisa Belville 
<missktlab1...@frontier.com> wrote:

Robin, most of the apps I had that weren't compatible with iOS 11 would
pop up a message saying the developer needed to update the app before it
would work with iOS 11.  This was a pop up dialog that appeared when the
app was opened and could be gotten rid of with a double tap of the Okay
button.  Once that dialog was gone, the app functioned normally.


Just off the top of my head, the apps I no longer have access to are
Eyenote, Color ID, Agogo, Sixth Sense and Where's ducky.  When I tried
opening these apps after the update I got the same message I'd get
before the update, only now the app doesn't open when the message
disappears, I just land back on the home screen.


I will miss Sixth Sense, but I've found better if not superior
replacements for the other apps.


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/19/2018 8:11 PM, Robin wrote:

ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from
iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard &
I don't See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure
if any of the usual or most often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or
64Bit & I recall iOS11 & Above don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B could share
YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing
List as I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be
interested in your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the
Transition from iOS10.3.3
At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:

Hi, all.


Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.


Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air
updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least
some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I
started using iTunes because it gave me a progress in percentages
every few minutes.  It still took forever.


But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight
minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26
which was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting
here next to me while I did Emails on the PC. Every couple of
minutes I'd use a light probe to see if the screen was still lit,
which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy noise that
indicates VO has done something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC
clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.


I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I
haven't played around with some of the new changes, but so far I
really like the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.


So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS versions behind, you should
probably be Okay.


Lisa



Lisa Belville

missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:

Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining to Updating your
iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on
iOS10.3.3Â  &Â  My MobileCarrier is VZW

From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable & Snappy, which hasn't
been the case  with the recent iOS updates from iOS8 & Up

GoodLuck
At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:

Hi, all.


I am using windows 10 with the latest version of NVDA.  I
currently have an iPhone SE that is still running iOS 10.3.  I
haven't updated it because in the past year I've had to update to a
new PC with Windows 10, and I used my phone as my primary
technology for several months before that, so was afraid to do an
over the air update to iOS 11.  Now, though, I want to move up
to iOS 12 if possible.


My concern has to do with whether or not to use iTunes or over the
air to do the update from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all
should go well, but I don't want to wind up with a nice rose gold
SE brick phone. .


I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my iPhone 5, and when
they updated to a new machine, they copied everything over to the
new hard drive.  I have the old iTunes library, but not the
iTunes program itself, at least I don't find it doing a search.


I have been following 

Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Robin]

ThankYou,Lisa B for sharing your 
Experience  with  your Findings 
about  transitioning from iOS10.3.3  to iOS12 
on  an iPhoneSE ... Have you noticed any HickUps 
or perceived flaws or perceived bugs? If so, have 
these Flaws or Bugs or HickUps impacted your 
performance using VoiceOver (I,Robin Presume) 
you,Lisa B use VoiceOver  ... on Apple's iOS12


What Replacement did you Locate   for the iOS MobileApp, EyeNote?
At 07:18 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
Robin, most of the apps I had that weren't 
compatible with iOS 11 would pop up a message 
saying the developer needed to update the app 
before it would work with iOS 11.  This was a 
pop up dialog that appeared when the app was 
opened and could be gotten rid of with a double 
tap of the Okay button.  Once that dialog was 
gone, the app functioned normally.



Just off the top of my head, the apps I no 
longer have access to are Eyenote, Color ID, 
Agogo, Sixth Sense and Where's ducky.  When I 
tried opening these apps after the update I got 
the same message I'd get before the update, only 
now the app doesn't open when the message 
disappears, I just land back on the home screen.



I will miss Sixth Sense, but I've found better 
if not superior replacements for the other apps.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/19/2018 8:11 PM, Robin wrote:
ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience 
updating your iPhoneSE from iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 
... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on 
Aboard & I don't See myself updating MySE 
iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure if any of 
the usual or most often used iOS Apps on MySE 
are 32Bit or 64Bit & I recall iOS11 & Above 
don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa 
B could share YourExperiences with iOS12 with 
Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing List as I 
beleive there are more people on the Fence, who 
might be interested in your Findings as it 
relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  Transition from iOS10.3.3

At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:

Hi, all.


Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.


Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to 
use iTunes or Over the air updates for my 
iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour 
at least some times.  Going that long 
without speech made me nervous, so I started 
using iTunes because it gave me a progress in 
percentages every few minutes.  It still took forever.



But today's update went off without a hitch 
and took about eight minutes.  The last 
time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 
which was the same thing my PC clock 
said.  I had the phone sitting here next to 
me while I did Emails on the PC. Every 
couple of minutes I'd use a light probe to see 
if the screen was still lit, which it 
was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy 
noise that indicates VO has done something. . 
. Opened or left a menu. The PC clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.



I haven't had any problems getting everything 
reconfigured.  I haven't played around with 
some of the new changes, but so far I really 
like the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.



So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS 
versions behind, you should probably be Okay.



Lisa



Lisa Belville

missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
Very Interested to Know YourResults 
pertaining to Updating your iPhoneSE with 
iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is 
also on iOS10.3.3  &  My MobileCarrier is VZW


From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is 
Stable & Snappy, which hasn't been the 
case  with the recent iOS updates from iOS8 & Up


GoodLuck
At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:

Hi, all.


I am using windows 10 with the latest 
version of NVDA.šÂ  I currently have an 
iPhone SE that is still running iOS 
10.3.  I haven't updated it because 
in the past year I've had to update to a new 
PC with Windows 10, and I used my phone as 
my primary technology for several months 
before that, so was afraid to do an over the 
air update to iOS 11.  Now, though,, I 
want to move up to iOS 12 if possible.



My concern has to do with whether or not to 
use iTunes or over the air to do the update 
from two iOS versions behind.Âà Yes, 
all should go well, but I don't want to wind 
up with a nice rose gold SE brick phone. .




I used iTunes on my old XP system to update 
my iPhone 5, and when they updated to a new 
machine, they copied everything over to the 
new hard drive.  I have the old iTunes 
libraary, but not the iTunes program itself, 
at least I don't find it doing a search.



I have been following the discussion about 
iTunes accessibility, so I downloaded iTunes 
for Business in the hope it would be easier 
than previous versions of iTunes I've tried.



Now I'm unsure if I should just install the 
business version or if I need to do 
something with the residual iTunes that was copied from the older system.



I'm also unsure if I just 

Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Richard Turner]

EyeNote was updated to 64 bit in January. Delete the one you have and download 
it again and it works great.
Richard



"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Sep 19, 2018, at 7:21 PM, lenron brown 
mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sixth sense and a couple other games or the only things I miss. Other
than that it's great using IOS 12

On 9/19/18, Lisa Belville 
mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>> wrote:
Robin, most of the apps I had that weren't compatible with iOS 11 would
pop up a message saying the developer needed to update the app before it
would work with iOS 11.  This was a pop up dialog that appeared when the
app was opened and could be gotten rid of with a double tap of the Okay
button.  Once that dialog was gone, the app functioned normally.


Just off the top of my head, the apps I no longer have access to are
Eyenote, Color ID, Agogo, Sixth Sense and Where's ducky.  When I tried
opening these apps after the update I got the same message I'd get
before the update, only now the app doesn't open when the message
disappears, I just land back on the home screen.


I will miss Sixth Sense, but I've found better if not superior
replacements for the other apps.


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/19/2018 8:11 PM, Robin wrote:
ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from
iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard &
I don't See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure
if any of the usual or most often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or
64Bit & I recall iOS11 & Above don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B could share
YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing
List as I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be
interested in your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the
Transition from iOS10.3.3
At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
Hi, all.


Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.


Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air
updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least
some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I
started using iTunes because it gave me a progress in percentages
every few minutes.  It still took forever.


But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight
minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26
which was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting
here next to me while I did Emails on the PC. Every couple of
minutes I'd use a light probe to see if the screen was still lit,
which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy noise that
indicates VO has done something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC
clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.


I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I
haven't played around with some of the new changes, but so far I
really like the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.


So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS versions behind, you should
probably be Okay.


Lisa



Lisa Belville

missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining to Updating your
iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on
iOS10.3.3Â  &Â  My MobileCarrier is VZW

>From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable & Snappy, which hasn't
been the case  with the recent iOS updates from iOS8 & Up

GoodLuck
At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:
Hi, all.


I am using windows 10 with the latest version of NVDA.  I
currently have an iPhone SE that is still running iOS 10.3.  I
haven't updated it because in the past year I've had to update to a
new PC with Windows 10, and I used my phone as my primary
technology for several months before that, so was afraid to do an
over the air update to iOS 11.  Now, though, I want to move up
to iOS 12 if possible.


My concern has to do with whether or not to use iTunes or over the
air to do the update from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all
should go well, but I don't want to wind up with a nice rose gold
SE brick phone. .


I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my iPhone 5, and when
they updated to a new machine, they copied everything over to the
new hard drive.  I have the old iTunes library, but not the
iTunes program itself, at least I don't find it doing a search.


I have been following the discussion about iTunes accessibility, so
I downloaded iTunes for Business in the hope it would be easier
than previous versions of iTunes I've tried.


Now I'm unsure if I should just install the business version or if
I need to do something with the residual iTunes that was copied
fro

Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[lenron brown]

Sixth sense and a couple other games or the only things I miss. Other
than that it's great using IOS 12

On 9/19/18, Lisa Belville  wrote:
> Robin, most of the apps I had that weren't compatible with iOS 11 would
> pop up a message saying the developer needed to update the app before it
> would work with iOS 11.  This was a pop up dialog that appeared when the
> app was opened and could be gotten rid of with a double tap of the Okay
> button.  Once that dialog was gone, the app functioned normally.
>
>
> Just off the top of my head, the apps I no longer have access to are
> Eyenote, Color ID, Agogo, Sixth Sense and Where's ducky.  When I tried
> opening these apps after the update I got the same message I'd get
> before the update, only now the app doesn't open when the message
> disappears, I just land back on the home screen.
>
>
> I will miss Sixth Sense, but I've found better if not superior
> replacements for the other apps.
>
>
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>
> On 9/19/2018 8:11 PM, Robin wrote:
>> ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from
>> iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard &
>> I don't See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure
>> if any of the usual or most often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or
>> 64Bit & I recall iOS11 & Above don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
>> I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B could share
>> YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing
>> List as I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be
>> interested in your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the
>> Transition from iOS10.3.3
>> At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
>>> Hi, all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.
>>>
>>>
>>> Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air
>>> updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least
>>> some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I
>>> started using iTunes because it gave me a progress in percentages
>>> every few minutes.  It still took forever.
>>>
>>>
>>> But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight
>>> minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26
>>> which was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting
>>> here next to me while I did Emails on the PC. Every couple of
>>> minutes I'd use a light probe to see if the screen was still lit,
>>> which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy noise that
>>> indicates VO has done something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC
>>> clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.
>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I
>>> haven't played around with some of the new changes, but so far I
>>> really like the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.
>>>
>>>
>>> So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS versions behind, you should
>>> probably be Okay.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lisa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lisa Belville
>>>
>>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
 Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining to Updating your
 iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on
 iOS10.3.3  &  My MobileCarrier is VZW

 From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable & Snappy, which hasn't
 been the case  with the recent iOS updates from iOS8 & Up

 GoodLuck
 At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:
> Hi, all.
>
>
> I am using windows 10 with the latest version of NVDA.  I
> currently have an iPhone SE that is still running iOS 10.3.  I
> haven't updated it because in the past year I've had to update to a
> new PC with Windows 10, and I used my phone as my primary
> technology for several months before that, so was afraid to do an
> over the air update to iOS 11.  Now, though, I want to move up
> to iOS 12 if possible.
>
>
> My concern has to do with whether or not to use iTunes or over the
> air to do the update from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all
> should go well, but I don't want to wind up with a nice rose gold
> SE brick phone. .
>
>
> I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my iPhone 5, and when
> they updated to a new machine, they copied everything over to the
> new hard drive.  I have the old iTunes library, but not the
> iTunes program itself, at least I don't find it doing a search.
>
>
> I have been following the discussion about iTunes accessibility, so
> I downloaded iTunes for Business in the hope it would be easier
> than previous versions of iTunes I've tried.
>
>
> Now I'm unsure if I should just install the business version or if
> I need to do something with the residual iTunes that was copied
> from the older system.
>
>
> I'm also unsure if I just connect the

Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Lisa Belville]

Robin, most of the apps I had that weren't compatible with iOS 11 would 
pop up a message saying the developer needed to update the app before it 
would work with iOS 11.  This was a pop up dialog that appeared when the 
app was opened and could be gotten rid of with a double tap of the Okay 
button.  Once that dialog was gone, the app functioned normally.



Just off the top of my head, the apps I no longer have access to are 
Eyenote, Color ID, Agogo, Sixth Sense and Where's ducky.  When I tried 
opening these apps after the update I got the same message I'd get 
before the update, only now the app doesn't open when the message 
disappears, I just land back on the home screen.



I will miss Sixth Sense, but I've found better if not superior 
replacements for the other apps.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/19/2018 8:11 PM, Robin wrote:
ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from 
iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard & 
I don't See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure 
if any of the usual or most often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or 
64Bit & I recall iOS11 & Above don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B could share 
YourExperiences with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing 
List as I beleive there are more people on the Fence, who might be 
interested in your Findings as it relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  
Transition from iOS10.3.3

At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:

Hi, all.


Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.


Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air 
updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least 
some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I 
started using iTunes because it gave me a progress in percentages 
every few minutes.  It still took forever.



But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight 
minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 
which was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting 
here next to me while I did Emails on the PC. Every couple of 
minutes I'd use a light probe to see if the screen was still lit, 
which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy noise that 
indicates VO has done something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC 
clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.



I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I 
haven't played around with some of the new changes, but so far I 
really like the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.



So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS versions behind, you should 
probably be Okay.



Lisa



Lisa Belville

missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining to Updating your 
iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on 
iOS10.3.3  &  My MobileCarrier is VZW


From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable & Snappy, which hasn't 
been the case  with the recent iOS updates from iOS8 & Up


GoodLuck
At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:

Hi, all.


I am using windows 10 with the latest version of NVDA.  I 
currently have an iPhone SE that is still running iOS 10.3.  I 
haven't updated it because in the past year I've had to update to a 
new PC with Windows 10, and I used my phone as my primary 
technology for several months before that, so was afraid to do an 
over the air update to iOS 11.  Now, though, I want to move up 
to iOS 12 if possible.



My concern has to do with whether or not to use iTunes or over the 
air to do the update from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all 
should go well, but I don't want to wind up with a nice rose gold 
SE brick phone. .



I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my iPhone 5, and when 
they updated to a new machine, they copied everything over to the 
new hard drive.  I have the old iTunes library, but not the 
iTunes program itself, at least I don't find it doing a search.



I have been following the discussion about iTunes accessibility, so 
I downloaded iTunes for Business in the hope it would be easier 
than previous versions of iTunes I've tried.



Now I'm unsure if I should just install the business version or if 
I need to do something with the residual iTunes that was copied 
from the older system.



I'm also unsure if I just connect the phone to the new PC and the 
newly installed iTunes will take it from there. I don't remember 
how I dealt with this when I first got the iPhone and installed 
iTunes several years ago.



Generally I put up with the inaccessable aspects of using iTunes 
because I could get a running progress bar regarding update status, 
but now I'm thinking I might deal with an hour or so of uncertainty 
and do the over air update.  We don't have an Apple store here, 
just a Verizon store where I had the phone set up originally, an

Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Richard Turner]

32 bit apps will never be supported again. So, either the developer needs to 
update their apps, or you have to find a replacement or stay on 10.3.3.
Richard



"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Sep 19, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Robin 
mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:

ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating your iPhoneSE from iOS10.3.3 
to iOS12 ... But I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard & I don't See myself 
updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 because I'm unsure if any of the usual or most 
often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or 64Bit & I recall iOS11 & Above don't 
support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B could share  YourExperiences 
with iOS12 with Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing List as I beleive there are 
more people on the Fence, who might be interested in your Findings as it 
relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  Transition from iOS10.3.3
At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:
Hi, all.


Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.


Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air updates 
for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least some times.  
Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I started using iTunes 
because it gave me a progress in percentages every few minutes.  It still took 
forever.


But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight minutes.  The 
last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 which was the same thing my 
PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting here next to me while I did Emails on 
the PC.  Every couple of minutes I'd use a light probe to see if the screen 
was still lit, which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy noise that 
indicates VO has done something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC clock said 
2:34 and so did the phone.


I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I haven't played 
around with some of the new changes, but so far I really like the female SIRI 
voice.  She sounds so natural.


So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS versions behind, you should probably 
be Okay.


Lisa



Lisa Belville

missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining to Updating your iPhoneSE with 
iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on iOS10.3.3  &  My 
MobileCarrier is VZW

>From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable & Snappy, which hasn't been the 
>case  with the recent iOS updates  from iOS8 & Up

GoodLuck
At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:
Hi, all.


I am using windows 10 with the latest version of NVDA.  I currently have an 
iPhone SE that is still running iOS 10.3.  I haven't updated it because in 
the past year I've had to update to a new PC with Windows 10, and I used my 
phone as my primary technology for several months before that, so was afraid to 
do an over the air update to iOS 11.  Now, though, I want to move up to iOS 
12 if possible.


My concern has to do with whether or not to use iTunes or over the air to do 
the update from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all should go well, but I 
don't want to wind up with a nice rose gold SE brick phone.  .


I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my iPhone 5, and when they updated 
to a new machine, they copied everything over to the new hard drive.  I have 
the old iTunes library, but not the iTunes program itself, at least I don't 
find it doing a search.


I have been following the discussion about iTunes accessibility, so I 
downloaded iTunes for Business in the hope it would be easier than previous 
versions of iTunes I've tried.


Now I'm unsure if I should just install the business version or if I need to do 
something with the residual iTunes that was copied from the older system.


I'm also unsure if I just connect the phone to the new PC and the newly 
installed iTunes will take it from there.  I don't remember how I dealt with 
this when I first got the iPhone and installed iTunes several years ago.


Generally I put up with the inaccessable aspects of using iTunes because I 
could get a running progress bar regarding update status, but now I'm thinking 
I might deal with an hour or so of uncertainty and do the over air update.  
We don't have an Apple store here, just a Verizon store where I had the phone 
set up originally, and I don't have a pair of working eyeballs around to handle 
reading a phone screen..


Any advice or ideas would be appreciated.


Lisa


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Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Robin]

ThankYou,Lisa for sharing YourExperience updating 
your iPhoneSE from iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 ... But 
I,Robin am not so Fast to Jump  on Aboard & I 
don't See myself updating MySE iPhoneSE to iOS12 
because I'm unsure if any of the usual or most 
often used iOS Apps on MySE are 32Bit or 64Bit & 
I recall iOS11 & Above don't support 32Bit MobileApps on iOS
I,Robin would really Appreciate It if you,Lisa B 
could share  YourExperiences with iOS12 with 
Me,Robin & The Rest of this Mailing List as I 
beleive there are more people on the Fence, who 
might be interested in your Findings as it 
relates to Apple's iOS12 & the  Transition from iOS10.3.3

At 04:37 PM 9/19/2018, you wrote:

Hi, all.


Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.


Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use 
iTunes or Over the air updates for my iPhone 
five and it took forever. . . an hour at least 
some times.  Going that long without speech 
made me nervous, so I started using iTunes 
because it gave me a progress in percentages 
every few minutes.  It still took forever.



But today's update went off without a hitch and 
took about eight minutes.  The last time I 
heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 which 
was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the 
phone sitting here next to me while I did Emails 
on the PC.  Every couple of minutes I'd use a 
light probe to see if the screen was still lit, 
which it was.  Suddenly I heard the little 
chirpy noise that indicates VO has done 
something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC 
clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.



I haven't had any problems getting everything 
reconfigured.  I haven't played around with 
some of the new changes, but so far I really 
like the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.



So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS 
versions behind, you should probably be Okay.



Lisa



Lisa Belville

missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining 
to Updating your iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to 
iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on iOS10.3.3  &  My MobileCarrier is VZW


From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable 
& Snappy, which hasn't been the case  with 
the recent iOS updates  from iOS8 & Up


GoodLuck
At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:

Hi, all.


I am using windows 10 with the latest version 
of NVDA.  I currently have an iPhone SE 
that is still running iOS 10.3.  I haven't 
updated it because in the past year I've had 
to update to a new PC with Windows 10, and I 
used my phone as my primary technology for 
several months before that, so was afraid to 
do an over the air update to iOS 11.  Now, 
though, I want to move up to iOS 12 if possible.



My concern has to do with whether or not to 
use iTunes or over the air to do the update 
from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all 
should go well, but I don't want to wind up 
with a nice rose gold SE brick phone.  .



I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my 
iPhone 5, and when they updated to a new 
machine, they copied everything over to the 
new hard drive.  I have the old iTunes 
library, but not the iTunes program itself, at 
least I don't find it doing a search.



I have been following the discussion about 
iTunes accessibility, so I downloaded iTunes 
for Business in the hope it would be easier 
than previous versions of iTunes I've tried.



Now I'm unsure if I should just install the 
business version or if I need to do something 
with the residual iTunes that was copied from the older system.



I'm also unsure if I just connect the phone to 
the new PC and the newly installed iTunes will 
take it from there.  I don't remember how I 
dealt with this when I first got the iPhone 
and installed iTunes several years ago.



Generally I put up with the inaccessable 
aspects of using iTunes because I could get a 
running progress bar regarding update status, 
but now I'm thinking I might deal with an hour 
or so of uncertainty and do the over air 
update.  We don't have an Apple store here, 
just a Verizon store where I had the phone set 
up originally, and I don't have a pair of 
working eyeballs around to handle reading a phone screen..



Any advice or ideas would be appreciated.


Lisa


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Re: Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Maria Reyes]

I didn't update from a few iOS updates back but I notice that my iPad 
mini 2 takes longer than my iPhone X does. the phone updates in like 5 
minutes



On 9/19/2018 7:37 PM, Lisa Belville wrote:

Hi, all.


Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.


Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air 
updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least 
some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I 
started using iTunes because it gave me a progress in percentages 
every few minutes.  It still took forever.



But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight 
minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 
which was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting 
here next to me while I did Emails on the PC.  Every couple of minutes 
I'd use a light probe to see if the screen was still lit, which it 
was.  Suddenly I heard the little chirpy noise that indicates VO has 
done something. . . Opened or left a menu. The PC clock said 2:34 and 
so did the phone.



I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I haven't 
played around with some of the new changes, but so far I really like 
the female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.



So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS versions behind, you should 
probably be Okay.



Lisa



Lisa Belville

missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining to Updating your 
iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on 
iOS10.3.3  &  My MobileCarrier is VZW


From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable & Snappy, which hasn't 
been the case  with the recent iOS updates  from iOS8 & Up


GoodLuck
At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:

Hi, all.


I am using windows 10 with the latest version of NVDA.  I currently 
have an iPhone SE that is still running iOS 10.3. I haven't updated 
it because in the past year I've had to update to a new PC with 
Windows 10, and I used my phone as my primary technology for several 
months before that, so was afraid to do an over the air update to 
iOS 11.  Now, though, I want to move up to iOS 12 if possible.



My concern has to do with whether or not to use iTunes or over the 
air to do the update from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all should 
go well, but I don't want to wind up with a nice rose gold SE brick 
phone.  .



I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my iPhone 5, and when 
they updated to a new machine, they copied everything over to the 
new hard drive.  I have the old iTunes library, but not the iTunes 
program itself, at least I don't find it doing a search.



I have been following the discussion about iTunes accessibility, so 
I downloaded iTunes for Business in the hope it would be easier than 
previous versions of iTunes I've tried.



Now I'm unsure if I should just install the business version or if I 
need to do something with the residual iTunes that was copied from 
the older system.



I'm also unsure if I just connect the phone to the new PC and the 
newly installed iTunes will take it from there.  I don't remember 
how I dealt with this when I first got the iPhone and installed 
iTunes several years ago.



Generally I put up with the inaccessable aspects of using iTunes 
because I could get a running progress bar regarding update status, 
but now I'm thinking I might deal with an hour or so of uncertainty 
and do the over air update.  We don't have an Apple store here, 
just a Verizon store where I had the phone set up originally, and I 
don't have a pair of working eyeballs around to handle reading a 
phone screen..



Any advice or ideas would be appreciated.


Lisa


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Update was Re: iOS Update Advice needed

[Lisa Belville]

Hi, all.


Well, I took the plunge and updated my SE from iOS 10X to 12.


Holy cow I'm just blown away.  I used to use iTunes or Over the air 
updates for my iPhone five and it took forever. . . an hour at least 
some times.  Going that long without speech made me nervous, so I 
started using iTunes because it gave me a progress in percentages every 
few minutes.  It still took forever.



But today's update went off without a hitch and took about eight 
minutes.  The last time I heard VO announce the time it said 2:26 which 
was the same thing my PC clock said.  I had the phone sitting here next 
to me while I did Emails on the PC.  Every couple of minutes I'd use a 
light probe to see if the screen was still lit, which it was.  Suddenly 
I heard the little chirpy noise that indicates VO has done something. . 
. Opened or left a menu. The PC clock said 2:34 and so did the phone.



I haven't had any problems getting everything reconfigured.  I haven't 
played around with some of the new changes, but so far I really like the 
female SIRI voice.  She sounds so natural.



So for anyone with an SE that's a few iOS versions behind, you should 
probably be Okay.



Lisa



Lisa Belville

missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/18/2018 12:13 PM, Robin wrote:
Very Interested to Know YourResults pertaining to Updating your 
iPhoneSE with iOS10.3.3 to iOS12 because My  iPhoneSE is also on 
iOS10.3.3  &  My MobileCarrier is VZW


From what I'm Hearin, Apple's iOS12 is Stable & Snappy, which hasn't 
been the case  with the recent iOS updates  from iOS8 & Up


GoodLuck
At 09:57 AM 9/18/2018, you wrote:

Hi, all.


I am using windows 10 with the latest version of NVDA.  I currently 
have an iPhone SE that is still running iOS 10.3.  I haven't updated 
it because in the past year I've had to update to a new PC with 
Windows 10, and I used my phone as my primary technology for several 
months before that, so was afraid to do an over the air update to iOS 
11.  Now, though, I want to move up to iOS 12 if possible.



My concern has to do with whether or not to use iTunes or over the 
air to do the update from two iOS versions behind.  Yes, all should 
go well, but I don't want to wind up with a nice rose gold SE brick 
phone.  .



I used iTunes on my old XP system to update my iPhone 5, and when 
they updated to a new machine, they copied everything over to the new 
hard drive.  I have the old iTunes library, but not the iTunes 
program itself, at least I don't find it doing a search.



I have been following the discussion about iTunes accessibility, so I 
downloaded iTunes for Business in the hope it would be easier than 
previous versions of iTunes I've tried.



Now I'm unsure if I should just install the business version or if I 
need to do something with the residual iTunes that was copied from 
the older system.



I'm also unsure if I just connect the phone to the new PC and the 
newly installed iTunes will take it from there.  I don't remember 
how I dealt with this when I first got the iPhone and installed 
iTunes several years ago.



Generally I put up with the inaccessable aspects of using iTunes 
because I could get a running progress bar regarding update status, 
but now I'm thinking I might deal with an hour or so of uncertainty 
and do the over air update.  We don't have an Apple store here, just 
a Verizon store where I had the phone set up originally, and I don't 
have a pair of working eyeballs around to handle reading a phone 
screen..



Any advice or ideas would be appreciated.


Lisa


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