Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Shirley Baker]

I can still do the two fingers down to read the screen.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's good it still works.  It says in Accessibility / Spoken content, or at 
> least it insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned on to work.  I 
> should have tested it before posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
> it cleans the toilet. 
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan Mann
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe down with two fingers to read 
> the screen. This is a voice over feature.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mike 
> B. 
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>  
> Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 finger swipe down gesture from 
> the top of the screen won't read the screen contents any longer, that's if 
> you ever use this feature just so you know.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
> it cleans the toilet. 
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Carolyn,
> Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
> Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast
> 
> 
> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > 
> > I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> > especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> > Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Dave
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> > message window
> > 
> > no.
> > 
> > Dave.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dennis Long
> > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> > message window
> > 
> > Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> > Shirley Baker
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> > message window
> > 
> > Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> > using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This 
> > does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about 
> > finding say a certain email.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders 
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Shirley,
> >> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the 
> >> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a 
> >> couple of examples of how I use it.
> >> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running 
> >> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a 
> >> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the 
> >> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%". 
> >> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you 
> >> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list 
> >> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten 
> >> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three 
> >> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a 
> >> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list 
> >>

RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Carolyn]

OK, thanks, Mike. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 finger swipe down gesture from the 
top of the screen won't read the screen contents any longer, that's if you ever 
use this feature just so you know.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet. 

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
> <mailto:4carol...@windstream.net> > wrote:
> 
> I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> no.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Shirley Baker
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This 
> does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about 
> finding say a certain email.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders 
>> mailto:nicola.sand...@telenet.be> >
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the 
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a 
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running 
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a 
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the 
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you 
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list 
>> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten 
>> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three 
>> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a 
>> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list and 
>> locate what you're looking for.
>> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. 
>> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 
>> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read 
>> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical 
>> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far 
>> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel 
>> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger 
>> swipe up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a 
>> three-finger swipe through the whole list, it would take me far 
>> longer, as each screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I 
>> don't find it that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, 
&

RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Carolyn]

Thanks, Richard - did that just now. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> no.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This 
> does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about 
> finding say a certain email.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the 
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a 
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running 
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a 
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the 
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you 
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list 
>> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten 
>> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three 
>> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a 
>> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list and 
>> locate what you're looking for.
>> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. 
>> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 
>> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read 
>> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical 
>> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far 
>> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel 
>> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger 
>> swipe up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a 
>> three-finger swipe through the whole list, it would take me far 
>> longer, as each screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I 
>> don't find it that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, 
>> and I'm inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the 
>> screen before continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical 
>> scroll bar.
>> I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have 
>> far too many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up.
>> Obviously I can search for a specific message, but I may just want to 
>> look at the emails that I received around a certain time. Again, the 
>> three-finger swipe would take ages.
>> I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or 
>> newspaper article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages 
>> as well, as it can often be difficult to navigate through the whole 
>> page by headings. In many situations I can do a three-finger tap on 
>> the middle of the screen to hear roughly where I am, e.g. "rows 35 to
>>

Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Ann Byrne]

What is speak screen supposed to do?  If 
VoiceOver is on, the screen is spoken.

At 08:27 AM 6/7/2020, you wrote:
That's good it still works.  It says in 
Accessibility / Spoken content, or at least it 
insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned 
on to work.  I should have tested it before 
posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and 
disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:rm...@technologyisawesome.com>Ryan Mann
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: 
Removing the clutter on The message window


I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe 
down with two fingers to read the screen. This is a voice over feature.


Get <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>Outlook for iOS

--
From: 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com 
<<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com> 
on behalf of Mike B. <<mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>mb69ma...@fastmail.com>

Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
To: 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com 
<<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: 
Removing the clutter on The message window


Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 
finger swipe down gesture from the top of the 
screen won't read the screen contents any 
longer, that's if you ever use this feature just so you know.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and 
disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>Richard Turner
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: 
Removing the clutter on The message window


Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn 
<<mailto:4carol...@windstream.net>4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

>
> I get some kind of stuff about speak 
screen too that is in my way, especially when 
entering access code or when entering a phone 
number. Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.

>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave

> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: 
Removing the clutter on The message window

>
> no.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: 
Removing the clutter on The message window

>
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com 
<<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com> 
On Behalf Of Shirley Baker

> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: 
Removing the clutter on The message window

>
> Can you give me a little more instructions 
about finding a certain email using the scroll 
bar because this is what I would probably use 
it for. This does make sense but I just want a 
little more help in understanding about finding say a certain email.

>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders
>> <<mailto:nicola.sand...@telenet.be>nicola.sand...@telenet.be>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list
>> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten
>

Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Mike B.]

That's good it still works.  It says in Accessibility / Spoken content, or 
at least it insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned on to work.  I 
should have tested it before posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 
From: Ryan Mann
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
message window


I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe down with two fingers to 
read the screen. This is a voice over feature.


Get Outlook for iOS



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mike 
B. 
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
message window

Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 finger swipe down gesture from 
the top of the screen won't read the screen contents any longer, that's if 
you ever use this feature just so you know.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
message window


Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> no.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. 
> This does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding 
> about finding say a certain email.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list
>> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten
>> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three
>> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a
>> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list 
>> and locate what you're looking for.
>> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+.
>> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to
>> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read
>> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical
>> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far
>> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel
>> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger swipe
>> up or down to find the exa

Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Ryan Mann]

I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe down with two fingers to read 
the screen. This is a voice over feature.

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mike B. 

Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 finger swipe down gesture from the 
top of the screen won't read the screen contents any longer, that's if you ever 
use this feature just so you know.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn 
> <4carol...@windstream.net<mailto:4carol...@windstream.net>> wrote:
>
> I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> no.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This 
> does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about 
> finding say a certain email.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders
>> mailto:nicola.sand...@telenet.be>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list
>> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten
>> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three
>> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a
>> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list and 
>> locate what you're looking for.
>> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+.
>> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to
>> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read
>> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical
>> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far
>> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel
>> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger swipe
>> up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a three-finger
>> swipe through the whole list, it would take me far longer, as each
>> screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don'

Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Mike B.]

Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 finger swipe down gesture from 
the top of the screen won't read the screen contents any longer, that's if 
you ever use this feature just so you know.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
message window


Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> no.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. 
> This does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding 
> about finding say a certain email.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list
>> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten
>> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three
>> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a
>> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list 
>> and locate what you're looking for.
>> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+.
>> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to
>> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read
>> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical
>> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far
>> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel
>> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger swipe
>> up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a three-finger
>> swipe through the whole list, it would take me far longer, as each
>> screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don't find it
>> that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, and I'm
>> inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the screen before
>> continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical scroll bar.
>> I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have
>> far too many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up.
>> Obviously I can search for a specific message, but I may just want to
>> look at the emails that I received around a certain time. Again, the
>> three-finger swipe would take ages.
>> I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or
>> newspaper article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages
>> as well, as it can often be difficult to na

Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Richard Turner]

Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dave
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> no.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This 
> does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about 
> finding say a certain email.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the 
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a 
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running 
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a 
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the 
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%". 
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you 
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list 
>> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten 
>> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three 
>> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a 
>> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list and 
>> locate what you're looking for.
>> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. 
>> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 
>> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read 
>> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical 
>> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far 
>> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel 
>> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger swipe 
>> up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a three-finger 
>> swipe through the whole list, it would take me far longer, as each 
>> screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don't find it 
>> that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, and I'm 
>> inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the screen before 
>> continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical scroll bar.
>> I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have 
>> far too many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up.
>> Obviously I can search for a specific message, but I may just want to 
>> look at the emails that I received around a certain time. Again, the 
>> three-finger swipe would take ages.
>> I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or 
>> newspaper article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages 
>> as well, as it can often be difficult to navigate through the whole 
>> page by headings. In many situations I can do a three-finger tap on 
>> the middle of the screen to hear roughly where I am, e.g. "rows 35 to 
>> 41 of 72"; next time I want to find that location, I use the scroll 
>> bar to go to 50%, and I know I won't be far out.
>> Note that the scroll bar works in the opposite direction to the 
>> three-finger swipe: you swipe down on the scroll bar, but up when 
>> using the traditional swipe 

RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Carolyn]

I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, especially 
when entering access code or when entering a phone number. Whatever it is, I 
think I'd be as well off with tit disabled. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

no.

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Can the  scroll bar be disabled?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email using 
the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This does make 
sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about finding say a 
certain email.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders 
> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Shirley,
> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the 
> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a 
> couple of examples of how I use it.
> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running 
> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a 
> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the 
> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%". 
> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you 
> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list 
> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten 
> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three 
> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a 
> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list and 
> locate what you're looking for.
> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. 
> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 
> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read 
> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical 
> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far 
> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel 
> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger swipe 
> up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a three-finger 
> swipe through the whole list, it would take me far longer, as each 
> screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don't find it 
> that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, and I'm 
> inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the screen before 
> continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical scroll bar.
> I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have 
> far too many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up.
> Obviously I can search for a specific message, but I may just want to 
> look at the emails that I received around a certain time. Again, the 
> three-finger swipe would take ages.
> I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or 
> newspaper article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages 
> as well, as it can often be difficult to navigate through the whole 
> page by headings. In many situations I can do a three-finger tap on 
> the middle of the screen to hear roughly where I am, e.g. "rows 35 to 
> 41 of 72"; next time I want to find that location, I use the scroll 
> bar to go to 50%, and I know I won't be far out.
> Note that the scroll bar works in the opposite direction to the 
> three-finger swipe: you swipe down on the scroll bar, but up when 
> using the traditional swipe gesture, to move from the top to the bottom.
> I hope that made some sense - if not, let me know and I'll try to clarify.
> HTH,
> Nicky
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: 06 June 2020 05:56
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window
>
> What long lists might you be referring to because I just don't 
> understand how to use this. Maybe you could explain to where it would 
> make sense please.
> q
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Nico

Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Dave]

no.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long

Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
message window


Can the  scroll bar be disabled?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Shirley Baker

Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
message window


Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This 
does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about 
finding say a certain email.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders  
wrote:


Hi Shirley,
Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the 
shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a couple of 
examples of how I use it.
As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running down 
the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a list (or a 
document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the vertical scroll bar, 
VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%". When you swipe down on the 
scroll bar with one finger, it moves you down through the list in 
increments of 10%; so however long your list or page may be, you can get 
from top to bottom with just ten one-finger swipes. The alternative would 
be to swipe up using three fingers, but that gesture moves you in far 
smaller increments, just a screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer 
to move through the list and locate what you're looking for.
One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. 
In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 999, 
with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read the 
channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical scroll bar 
and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far off. I touch the 
middle of the screen to read one of the channel numbers currently 
displayed, and I can then use the three-finger swipe up or down to find 
the exact location. If I were to do a three-finger swipe through the whole 
list, it would take me far longer, as each screen only consists of around 
six channels. Also, I don't find it that easy to use that gesture 
repeatedly and very fast, and I'm inclined to lose focus and have to tap 
the middle of the screen before continuing. There are no such problems 
with the vertical scroll bar.
I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have far 
too many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up. 
Obviously I can search for a specific message, but I may just want to look 
at the emails that I received around a certain time. Again, the 
three-finger swipe would take ages.
I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or 
newspaper article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages as 
well, as it can often be difficult to navigate through the whole page by 
headings. In many situations I can do a three-finger tap on the middle of 
the screen to hear roughly where I am, e.g. "rows 35 to 41 of 72"; next 
time I want to find that location, I use the scroll bar to go to 50%, and 
I know I won't be far out.
Note that the scroll bar works in the opposite direction to the 
three-finger swipe: you swipe down on the scroll bar, but up when using 
the traditional swipe gesture, to move from the top to the bottom.

I hope that made some sense - if not, let me know and I'll try to clarify.
HTH,
Nicky

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Shirley Baker
Sent: 06 June 2020 05:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window

What long lists might you be referring to because I just don't understand 
how to use this. Maybe you could explain to where it would make sense 
please.

q
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 5, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Nicola Sanders  
wrote:
Maybe I'm the only one, but personally I love the vertical scroll bar! I 
find it really useful for navigating very long lists - much quicker than 
endless three-finger swiping. Perhaps it should be an option in Settings.

Best,
Nicky
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Carolyn
Sent: 05 June 2020 20:35
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window Boy I would
too!
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window I would like
the option. To hide the vertical scrol lbar.
Dave.
From: Anne West <mailto:k

RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Dennis Long]

Can the  scroll bar be disabled?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email using 
the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This does make 
sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about finding say a 
certain email.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders  wrote:
> 
> Hi Shirley,
> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the shift 
> in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a couple of examples 
> of how I use it.
> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running down the 
> right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a list (or a 
> document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the vertical scroll bar, 
> VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%". When you swipe down on the 
> scroll bar with one finger, it moves you down through the list in increments 
> of 10%; so however long your list or page may be, you can get from top to 
> bottom with just ten one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up 
> using three fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, 
> just a screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the 
> list and locate what you're looking for.
> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. In 
> the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 999, with 
> a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read the channels 
> starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical scroll bar and swipe 
> down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far off. I touch the middle of the 
> screen to read one of the channel numbers currently displayed, and I can then 
> use the three-finger swipe up or down to find the exact location. If I were 
> to do a three-finger swipe through the whole list, it would take me far 
> longer, as each screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don't 
> find it that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, and I'm 
> inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the screen before 
> continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical scroll bar.
> I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have far too 
> many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up. Obviously I 
> can search for a specific message, but I may just want to look at the emails 
> that I received around a certain time. Again, the three-finger swipe would 
> take ages.
> I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or newspaper 
> article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages as well, as it 
> can often be difficult to navigate through the whole page by headings. In 
> many situations I can do a three-finger tap on the middle of the screen to 
> hear roughly where I am, e.g. "rows 35 to 41 of 72"; next time I want to find 
> that location, I use the scroll bar to go to 50%, and I know I won't be far 
> out.
> Note that the scroll bar works in the opposite direction to the three-finger 
> swipe: you swipe down on the scroll bar, but up when using the traditional 
> swipe gesture, to move from the top to the bottom.
> I hope that made some sense - if not, let me know and I'll try to clarify.
> HTH,
> Nicky
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: 06 June 2020 05:56
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window
> 
> What long lists might you be referring to because I just don't understand how 
> to use this. Maybe you could explain to where it would make sense please.
> q
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Nicola Sanders  
>>> wrote:
>> Maybe I'm the only one, but personally I love the vertical scroll bar! I 
>> find it really useful for navigating very long lists - much quicker than 
>> endless three-finger swiping. Perhaps it should be an option in Settings.
>> Best,
>> Nicky
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: 05 June 2020 20:35
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window Boy I would 
>> too!
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> 

RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Nicola Sanders]

Hi,
If you were looking for a certain specific email, it would probably be quicker 
to use the search function in the Mail app: you would presumably know something 
about the message, such as who it was from, or what was in the subject line, so 
you could search for those words in the editfield. The scroll bar is more 
useful if you want to move through your list of messages in fairly big steps. 
For example, supposing I had been very ill at the beginning of April and had 
been unable to cope with emails for around a week: I may now wish to go back 
and deal with the messages that had come in around that time, so I could swipe 
down using the vertical scroll bar. After each swipe, which would move me down 
by 10%, I would touch the middle of the screen and listen to the date of the 
message that I landed on; once I got close to the date I wanted, such as 1 
April in my example, I would then use the three-finger swipe up or down in 
order to find the messages with that date. Of course, you can also filter your 
emails so that you only see unread messages, but that's not strictly related to 
the scroll bar.
I'm probably making this sound more complicated than it is, and sorry if my 
example is a bit contrived, but I think you'll get the idea. The scroll bar is 
just one tool among others, but I find that it can be very useful in many 
situations: today I used it to navigate more quickly through a food delivery 
app, for example.
Best,
Nicky


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: 06 June 2020 18:45
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email using 
the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This does make 
sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about finding say a 
certain email.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders  wrote:
> 
> Hi Shirley,
> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the shift 
> in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a couple of examples 
> of how I use it.
> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running down the 
> right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a list (or a 
> document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the vertical scroll bar, 
> VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%". When you swipe down on the 
> scroll bar with one finger, it moves you down through the list in increments 
> of 10%; so however long your list or page may be, you can get from top to 
> bottom with just ten one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up 
> using three fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, 
> just a screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the 
> list and locate what you're looking for.
> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. In 
> the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 999, with 
> a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read the channels 
> starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical scroll bar and swipe 
> down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far off. I touch the middle of the 
> screen to read one of the channel numbers currently displayed, and I can then 
> use the three-finger swipe up or down to find the exact location. If I were 
> to do a three-finger swipe through the whole list, it would take me far 
> longer, as each screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don't 
> find it that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, and I'm 
> inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the screen before 
> continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical scroll bar.
> I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have far too 
> many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up. Obviously I 
> can search for a specific message, but I may just want to look at the emails 
> that I received around a certain time. Again, the three-finger swipe would 
> take ages.
> I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or newspaper 
> article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages as well, as it 
> can often be difficult to navigate through the whole page by headings. In 
> many situations I can do a three-finger tap on the middle of the screen to 
> hear roughly where I am, e.g. "rows 35 to 41 of 72"; next time I want to find 
> that location, I use the scroll bar to go to 50%, and I know I won't be far 
> out.
> Note that the scroll bar works in the opposite direction to the three-finger 
> swipe

Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Shirley Baker]

Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email using 
the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This does make 
sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about finding say a 
certain email.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders  wrote:
> 
> Hi Shirley,
> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the shift 
> in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a couple of examples 
> of how I use it.
> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running down the 
> right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a list (or a 
> document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the vertical scroll bar, 
> VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%". When you swipe down on the 
> scroll bar with one finger, it moves you down through the list in increments 
> of 10%; so however long your list or page may be, you can get from top to 
> bottom with just ten one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up 
> using three fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, 
> just a screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the 
> list and locate what you're looking for.
> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. In 
> the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 999, with 
> a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read the channels 
> starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical scroll bar and swipe 
> down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far off. I touch the middle of the 
> screen to read one of the channel numbers currently displayed, and I can then 
> use the three-finger swipe up or down to find the exact location. If I were 
> to do a three-finger swipe through the whole list, it would take me far 
> longer, as each screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don't 
> find it that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, and I'm 
> inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the screen before 
> continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical scroll bar.
> I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have far too 
> many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up. Obviously I 
> can search for a specific message, but I may just want to look at the emails 
> that I received around a certain time. Again, the three-finger swipe would 
> take ages.
> I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or newspaper 
> article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages as well, as it 
> can often be difficult to navigate through the whole page by headings. In 
> many situations I can do a three-finger tap on the middle of the screen to 
> hear roughly where I am, e.g. "rows 35 to 41 of 72"; next time I want to find 
> that location, I use the scroll bar to go to 50%, and I know I won't be far 
> out.
> Note that the scroll bar works in the opposite direction to the three-finger 
> swipe: you swipe down on the scroll bar, but up when using the traditional 
> swipe gesture, to move from the top to the bottom.
> I hope that made some sense - if not, let me know and I'll try to clarify.
> HTH,
> Nicky
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: 06 June 2020 05:56
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window
> 
> What long lists might you be referring to because I just don't understand how 
> to use this. Maybe you could explain to where it would make sense please.
> q
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Nicola Sanders  
>>> wrote:
>> Maybe I'm the only one, but personally I love the vertical scroll bar! I 
>> find it really useful for navigating very long lists - much quicker than 
>> endless three-finger swiping. Perhaps it should be an option in Settings.
>> Best,
>> Nicky
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: 05 June 2020 20:35
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window
>> Boy I would too!
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Dave
>> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 2:16 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window
>> I would like the option. To hide the vertical scrol lbar.
>> Dave.
>> From: Anne West   
>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2020 6:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
>> Subject: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window
>> I agree. It seems the world is suddenly camera happy. I would like to get 
>> rid of that info too. It’s annoying.
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Afik 
>> Souffir
>> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:40

Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Nicola Sanders]

Hi Shirley,
Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the shift in 
topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a couple of examples of 
how I use it.
As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running down the 
right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a list (or a document, 
a webpage or whatever), when you touch the vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will 
say "vertical scroll bar, 0%". When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one 
finger, it moves you down through the list in increments of 10%; so however 
long your list or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten 
one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three fingers, 
but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a screen at a time, 
and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list and locate what you're 
looking for.
One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. In the 
TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 999, with a few 
gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read the channels starting from 
number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical scroll bar and swipe down to around 
50%, and I know I won't be far off. I touch the middle of the screen to read 
one of the channel numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the 
three-finger swipe up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a 
three-finger swipe through the whole list, it would take me far longer, as each 
screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don't find it that easy to 
use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, and I'm inclined to lose focus and 
have to tap the middle of the screen before continuing. There are no such 
problems with the vertical scroll bar.
I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have far too 
many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up. Obviously I 
can search for a specific message, but I may just want to look at the emails 
that I received around a certain time. Again, the three-finger swipe would take 
ages.
I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or newspaper 
article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages as well, as it can 
often be difficult to navigate through the whole page by headings. In many 
situations I can do a three-finger tap on the middle of the screen to hear 
roughly where I am, e.g. "rows 35 to 41 of 72"; next time I want to find that 
location, I use the scroll bar to go to 50%, and I know I won't be far out.
Note that the scroll bar works in the opposite direction to the three-finger 
swipe: you swipe down on the scroll bar, but up when using the traditional 
swipe gesture, to move from the top to the bottom.
I hope that made some sense - if not, let me know and I'll try to clarify.
HTH,
Nicky

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: 06 June 2020 05:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window

What long lists might you be referring to because I just don't understand how 
to use this. Maybe you could explain to where it would make sense please.
q
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Nicola Sanders  wrote:
> 
> Maybe I'm the only one, but personally I love the vertical scroll bar! I 
> find it really useful for navigating very long lists - much quicker than 
> endless three-finger swiping. Perhaps it should be an option in Settings.
> Best,
> Nicky
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: 05 June 2020 20:35
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window
> 
> Boy I would too! 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dave
> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 2:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window
> 
> I would like the option. To hide the vertical scrol lbar.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> From: Anne West   
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2020 6:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> Subject: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window
> 
> 
> I agree. It seems the world is suddenly camera happy. I would like to get rid 
> of that info too. It’s annoying.
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Afik 
> Souffir
> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:40
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Ann, 
> 
> I dont think that its have an option for this. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Iphone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>On 5 Jun 2020, at 16:35, Ann Byrne   > wrote:
> 
>On the texting screen, there is all kinds of clutter including the names 
> of other apps, camera, record, and so on.  Is there a way to