Re: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15?
Hi Harry, Another thing to try is if you are inserting text, type a space and move the cursor to just before that space. Then speech is more likely to say what you're typing. Best, Anna > On Sep 26, 2021, at 9:48 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone > wrote: > > Thanks, Richard! Sounds like sound advice culled from many years experience! > Harry > >> On 26 Sep 2021, at 15:32, Richard Turner wrote: >> >> Harry, if I can make a suggestion to help in learning to become more >> comfortable with braille. >> >> Mute speech. Write a sentence and read it on the braille display. >> Use the braille display to fix errors. >> Then, turn speech back on to confirm. >> >> VoiceOver speaking while using a braille display has always been more of a >> distraction than a help. It shouldn't be that way, but that is the reality. >> >> HTH, >> >> >> >> >> Richard >> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” >> – Jane Wagner >> >> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone >> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 3:01 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15? >> >> Thank you for trying this out, Richard! Now that I have restarted my phone >> several times I realise that the problem of mixing or repeating words seems >> to have disappeared. I think what continues to spook me a bit is what >> VoiceOver is echoing, which is not what I expect to be echoed. >> >> I am using Brailliant BI 40 X braille display paired with my iPhone 13 pro >> and VoiceOver is set to voice characters and words and some punctuation. >> Whilst I am typing in for example email VoiceOver echoes very confusing >> random letters or echoes a word away before the letter I have just typed. I >> also keep finding that VoiceOver fails consistently to voice spaces and a >> lot of punctuation I have just typed. I tried setting punctuation in >> verbosity to all that then VoiceOver started reading out the most bizarre >> bits of punctuation on the screen is where there was no punctuation and when >> I went back to some punctuation in verbosity VoiceOver continued to voice >> call punctuation until I restarted the phone. Very complex! >> I am a real beginner with Braille still so I do have speech to help reassure >> me about what I am typing so strange behaviour with VoiceOver really throws >> me! >> Regards >> Harry >> >>> On 24 Sep 2021, at 22:30, Richard Turner >>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, I cannot duplicate this with an Orbit Reader 40 on an SE 2020 >>> running the release of iOS 15. >>> And, you cannot send attachments to this list, so your screen recording did >>> not come through. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with >>> it." - Jane Wagner >>> >>> My Web site: >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C3447bf0bdd9a4e94b54c08d980d85116%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637682488831427418%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=f7yNiDRX2%2FvjXtcK4dH7DiY0Th2ypuPUGJ5oCq7gGFA%3Dreserved=0 >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:58 AM >>> To: Abridged Recipients >>> Subject: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15? >>> >>> Using iPhone 12 running VoiceOver and public release of iOS 15 and a >>> Brailliant Bi 40 X. >>> Open Notes app and create new note. >>> Type: "they can do this". >>> Move the cursor to just in front of word "do". >>> Type "really" followed by a space. Then type two random letters and delete >>> them. >>> Then type "now". >>> Examine the sentence to see chaos! >>> See screen recording. >>> Harry >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. &g
Re: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15?
Thanks, Richard! Sounds like sound advice culled from many years experience! Harry > On 26 Sep 2021, at 15:32, Richard Turner wrote: > > Harry, if I can make a suggestion to help in learning to become more > comfortable with braille. > > Mute speech. Write a sentence and read it on the braille display. > Use the braille display to fix errors. > Then, turn speech back on to confirm. > > VoiceOver speaking while using a braille display has always been more of a > distraction than a help. It shouldn't be that way, but that is the reality. > > HTH, > > > > > Richard > “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” > – Jane Wagner > > My Web site: https://www.turner42.com > > > -Original Message- > From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 3:01 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15? > > Thank you for trying this out, Richard! Now that I have restarted my phone > several times I realise that the problem of mixing or repeating words seems > to have disappeared. I think what continues to spook me a bit is what > VoiceOver is echoing, which is not what I expect to be echoed. > > I am using Brailliant BI 40 X braille display paired with my iPhone 13 pro > and VoiceOver is set to voice characters and words and some punctuation. > Whilst I am typing in for example email VoiceOver echoes very confusing > random letters or echoes a word away before the letter I have just typed. I > also keep finding that VoiceOver fails consistently to voice spaces and a lot > of punctuation I have just typed. I tried setting punctuation in verbosity to > all that then VoiceOver started reading out the most bizarre bits of > punctuation on the screen is where there was no punctuation and when I went > back to some punctuation in verbosity VoiceOver continued to voice call > punctuation until I restarted the phone. Very complex! > I am a real beginner with Braille still so I do have speech to help reassure > me about what I am typing so strange behaviour with VoiceOver really throws > me! > Regards > Harry > >> On 24 Sep 2021, at 22:30, Richard Turner wrote: >> >> Well, I cannot duplicate this with an Orbit Reader 40 on an SE 2020 >> running the release of iOS 15. >> And, you cannot send attachments to this list, so your screen recording did >> not come through. >> >> >> >> >> Richard >> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." >> - Jane Wagner >> >> My Web site: >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C3447bf0bdd9a4e94b54c08d980d85116%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637682488831427418%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=f7yNiDRX2%2FvjXtcK4dH7DiY0Th2ypuPUGJ5oCq7gGFA%3Dreserved=0 >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone >> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:58 AM >> To: Abridged Recipients >> Subject: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15? >> >> Using iPhone 12 running VoiceOver and public release of iOS 15 and a >> Brailliant Bi 40 X. >> Open Notes app and create new note. >> Type: "they can do this". >> Move the cursor to just in front of word "do". >> Type "really" followed by a space. Then type two random letters and delete >> them. >> Then type "now". >> Examine the sentence to see chaos! >> See screen recording. >> Harry >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C3447bf0bdd9a4e94b54c08d980d85116%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637682488831427418%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=10iPxAmQQygivL7Nhz1lSCBMvuxBTfhtfc81sXwr3hk%3Drese
RE: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15?
Harry, if I can make a suggestion to help in learning to become more comfortable with braille. Mute speech. Write a sentence and read it on the braille display. Use the braille display to fix errors. Then, turn speech back on to confirm. VoiceOver speaking while using a braille display has always been more of a distraction than a help. It shouldn't be that way, but that is the reality. HTH, Richard “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner My Web site: https://www.turner42.com -Original Message- From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 3:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15? Thank you for trying this out, Richard! Now that I have restarted my phone several times I realise that the problem of mixing or repeating words seems to have disappeared. I think what continues to spook me a bit is what VoiceOver is echoing, which is not what I expect to be echoed. I am using Brailliant BI 40 X braille display paired with my iPhone 13 pro and VoiceOver is set to voice characters and words and some punctuation. Whilst I am typing in for example email VoiceOver echoes very confusing random letters or echoes a word away before the letter I have just typed. I also keep finding that VoiceOver fails consistently to voice spaces and a lot of punctuation I have just typed. I tried setting punctuation in verbosity to all that then VoiceOver started reading out the most bizarre bits of punctuation on the screen is where there was no punctuation and when I went back to some punctuation in verbosity VoiceOver continued to voice call punctuation until I restarted the phone. Very complex! I am a real beginner with Braille still so I do have speech to help reassure me about what I am typing so strange behaviour with VoiceOver really throws me! Regards Harry > On 24 Sep 2021, at 22:30, Richard Turner wrote: > > Well, I cannot duplicate this with an Orbit Reader 40 on an SE 2020 running > the release of iOS 15. > And, you cannot send attachments to this list, so your screen recording did > not come through. > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > - Jane Wagner > > My Web site: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C3447bf0bdd9a4e94b54c08d980d85116%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637682488831427418%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=f7yNiDRX2%2FvjXtcK4dH7DiY0Th2ypuPUGJ5oCq7gGFA%3Dreserved=0 > > > -Original Message- > From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:58 AM > To: Abridged Recipients > Subject: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15? > > Using iPhone 12 running VoiceOver and public release of iOS 15 and a > Brailliant Bi 40 X. > Open Notes app and create new note. > Type: "they can do this". > Move the cursor to just in front of word "do". > Type "really" followed by a space. Then type two random letters and delete > them. > Then type "now". > Examine the sentence to see chaos! > See screen recording. > Harry > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C3447bf0bdd9a4e94b54c08d980d85116%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637682488831427418%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=10iPxAmQQygivL7Nhz1lSCBMvuxBTfhtfc81sXwr3hk%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FE818B0E4-B962-4E9F-853A-F4A7C3031E3E%2540icloud.comdata=04%7C01%7C%7C3447bf0bdd9a4e94b54c08d980d85116%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637682488831427418%7CUnknown%7
Re: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15?
Thank you for trying this out, Richard! Now that I have restarted my phone several times I realise that the problem of mixing or repeating words seems to have disappeared. I think what continues to spook me a bit is what VoiceOver is echoing, which is not what I expect to be echoed. I am using Brailliant BI 40 X braille display paired with my iPhone 13 pro and VoiceOver is set to voice characters and words and some punctuation. Whilst I am typing in for example email VoiceOver echoes very confusing random letters or echoes a word away before the letter I have just typed. I also keep finding that VoiceOver fails consistently to voice spaces and a lot of punctuation I have just typed. I tried setting punctuation in verbosity to all that then VoiceOver started reading out the most bizarre bits of punctuation on the screen is where there was no punctuation and when I went back to some punctuation in verbosity VoiceOver continued to voice call punctuation until I restarted the phone. Very complex! I am a real beginner with Braille still so I do have speech to help reassure me about what I am typing so strange behaviour with VoiceOver really throws me! Regards Harry > On 24 Sep 2021, at 22:30, Richard Turner wrote: > > Well, I cannot duplicate this with an Orbit Reader 40 on an SE 2020 running > the release of iOS 15. > And, you cannot send attachments to this list, so your screen recording did > not come through. > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > - Jane Wagner > > My Web site: https://www.turner42.com > > > -Original Message- > From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:58 AM > To: Abridged Recipients > Subject: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15? > > Using iPhone 12 running VoiceOver and public release of iOS 15 and a > Brailliant Bi 40 X. > Open Notes app and create new note. > Type: "they can do this". > Move the cursor to just in front of word "do". > Type "really" followed by a space. Then type two random letters and delete > them. > Then type "now". > Examine the sentence to see chaos! > See screen recording. > Harry > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C086521bd2b6e4f8c29c808d97dd0fcc3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637679158806799772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=t%2BLBsEvRd3wSU1aey0V4YiIzezSRwKZ0uShTBFcra1A%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FE818B0E4-B962-4E9F-853A-F4A7C3031E3E%2540icloud.comdata=04%7C01%7C%7C086521bd2b6e4f8c29c808d97dd0fcc3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637679158806799772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=Qw%2FYUKzTXfCl%2B39u4s7bjdhshF32YUhivefKX2K4Nl4%3Dreserved=0. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view thi
RE: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15?
Well, I cannot duplicate this with an Orbit Reader 40 on an SE 2020 running the release of iOS 15. And, you cannot send attachments to this list, so your screen recording did not come through. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner My Web site: https://www.turner42.com -Original Message- From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:58 AM To: Abridged Recipients Subject: VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15? Using iPhone 12 running VoiceOver and public release of iOS 15 and a Brailliant Bi 40 X. Open Notes app and create new note. Type: "they can do this". Move the cursor to just in front of word "do". Type "really" followed by a space. Then type two random letters and delete them. Then type "now". Examine the sentence to see chaos! See screen recording. Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C086521bd2b6e4f8c29c808d97dd0fcc3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637679158806799772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=t%2BLBsEvRd3wSU1aey0V4YiIzezSRwKZ0uShTBFcra1A%3Dreserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FE818B0E4-B962-4E9F-853A-F4A7C3031E3E%2540icloud.comdata=04%7C01%7C%7C086521bd2b6e4f8c29c808d97dd0fcc3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637679158806799772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=Qw%2FYUKzTXfCl%2B39u4s7bjdhshF32YUhivefKX2K4Nl4%3Dreserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MW4PR17MB45135E9A2E19C02B68B5CE06B7A49%40MW4PR17MB4513.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.
VoiceOver Braille editing bug in iOS 15?
Using iPhone 12 running VoiceOver and public release of iOS 15 and a Brailliant Bi 40 X. Open Notes app and create new note. Type: “they can do this”. Move the cursor to just in front of word “do”. Type “really” followed by a space. Then type two random letters and delete them. Then type “now”. Examine the sentence to see chaos! See screen recording. Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/E818B0E4-B962-4E9F-853A-F4A7C3031E3E%40icloud.com.
