RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-14 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
For me the smaller size and 2 hours more battery life over the 8 Plus would be 
pretty compelling reasons to fork out the extra cash for an iPhone X. Of course 
that is also a really good reason for anybody who has a 6S/6S Plus or 7/7 Plus 
to simply fight the urge to run out there and buy a new phone just so you have 
the latest since I am pretty sure next fall every model of iPhone will have 
Face Id and an OLED screen. I think most of us on this list are not part of the 
group who has troubles counting their money and we really need to get away from 
this expectation or whatever you want to call it to upgrade every two years or, 
as some do, every year. Doing so costs hundreds of Dollars each year and given 
how mature phones like the 7/7 Plus or 6S/6S Plus are there really is no reason 
why one can’t keep them for 3 years. If you bought on a contract then going to 
a low-cost MVNO after two years can save you at least $200 or $300 in your 
third year, if you add that to what you would pay to get a new phone on 
contract you almost have saved enough to buy said new phone after 3 years 
without a contract. This means you can continue to stay with your low-cost 
provider and save even more over the next 3 years.
Companies produce so much stuff these days and we are constantly bombarded with 
ads and are told that we absolutely need all this latest stuff and while I am 
the last to say no to all of it, I am sometimes amazed about how many devices 
some on this list have who otherwise they they are unemployed and on a fixed 
and relatively low income. I know there are also many who work and earn a 
steady and comfortable income and I certainly don’t want to generalize, but 
I’ve been on this list for many years and have noticed this trend.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I couldn't agree more. If I were in the market this year, I would get an 8+. No 
question.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Andy Baracco 
> wrote:
The iPhone X offers nothing for a visually impaired person that would warrant 
the increased price. The iPhone 8 should service the needs of a visually 
impaired person well.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Jewel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

>From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
>even more unattractive!
Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

 Jewel

From: Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB reader 
entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify the 
pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.
Cheers,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.
If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.
The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.
A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other

Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-14 Thread lenron brown 
If I upgrade to another Iphone this year, it's the 8 plus for sure. I
am not even in to smaller devices but would even consider going for
the 8 256 gb before I would buy the X. I want to give them another
year to get down face id, and I am really more of a touch id fan
because my phone doesn't need to look at my face to unlock. I can just
unlock really quickly with my device in my pocket. Plus I can't
justify the increased monthly cost. If the X had so many new features
the 8 didn't maybe I could.

On 9/14/17, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone  wrote:
> that’s what I am looking for.
>
> From: Andy Baracco
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 23:52
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
> The carriers may offer discounts as an incentive to switch.
> Andy
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Mary Otten
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:27 PM
>   Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
>   The price isn't going to go down very much this year. Unlike what happens
> with android phones, where you see all kinds of discounts and deals and two
> for one at Cetera, don't look for any big deals on the iPhone ex. Besides,
> as a blind person, it makes zero sense to buy this phone. You get nothing
> that you can't get in the iPhone 8 Plus.
>   Mary
>
>
>
>   Sent from my iPhone
>
>   On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:24 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone
>  wrote:
>
>
> that price will come down over time if the market is anything to go on.
>
> From: Jewel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 22:30
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
> From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes
> it even more unattractive!
> Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?
>
>  Jewel
>
> From: Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
>
> I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB
> reader entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to
> identify the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cris
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
>
> I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there
> are people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get
> anything good with KNFB Reader.
>
> If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and
> the document scanning channel in Seeing AI.
>
> The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed
> and accuracy.
>
> A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in
> difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to
> it then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with
> a good ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the
> page would probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who
> wasn’t able to do a good job with an iPhone X.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
>
> I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective,
> text grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not
> seen a huge OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not
> match the huge changes in the photo quality across the various releases of
> the iPhone.  Of course the improvements in stability and speed of
> recognition are noticeable between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…
> but the speed and stability are functions of memory and processor>  I would
> imagine that the great improvements in Cameras would be reflected in much
> more accurate OCR results.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
>
> Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of
> the camera capabilities

Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-14 Thread Bill Gallik 
I’m going to premiss my comment with a thought regarding Screen Curtain; as I 
recall there had been a thread on this very e-mail list that concluded that 
deploying Screen Curtain did not truly result in lowering battery drain.  If my 
recollection is wrong please disregard my following commentary.

Given that the iPhone X is equipped with OLED display panels, the advantage for 
anybody and everybody having this model is notably longer battery life.  Also, 
since the OLED display panels are significantly thinner than the LCD panels 
used in other iPhone models, whatever advantages that might manifest as a 
result would likewise be there for the sight-compromised community.

Nonetheless, the extreme added cost and the very real likelihood that most 
people (not just sight impaired persons) will decide the added benefits are not 
worth that added expense.

- Bill from Wisconsin
- "It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you 
would lie if you were in his place."
- US Editor and Satirist, H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-14 Thread 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
that’s what I am looking for.

From: Andy Baracco 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 23:52
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

The carriers may offer discounts as an incentive to switch.
Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:27 PM
  Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?

  The price isn't going to go down very much this year. Unlike what happens 
with android phones, where you see all kinds of discounts and deals and two for 
one at Cetera, don't look for any big deals on the iPhone ex. Besides, as a 
blind person, it makes zero sense to buy this phone. You get nothing that you 
can't get in the iPhone 8 Plus.
  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:24 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


that price will come down over time if the market is anything to go on.

From: Jewel 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 22:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?

From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
even more unattractive!
Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

 Jewel

From: Cris Ali 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB 
reader entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify 
the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.

Cheers,

Cris 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there 
are people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get 
anything good with KNFB Reader.

If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.



Regards,

Sieghard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, 
text grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a 
huge OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the 
huge changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  
Of course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?


May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  
But I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could 
not find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages

RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread Cristóbal 
Yes, but what if you’re one of the Joneses?

Apple’s basically got eight different models with different storage sizes to 
choose from now. 

Something for everyone. I’m more inclined to stick with a finger print model 
for at least one more year and probably by next year the face ID thing will be 
more refined. 

Think of the countless times you unlock your phone in a day and how convenient 
it is to have it already open to the home screen by the time you pull it out of 
your pocket or whatever. Where as now, for every time, you have to have the 
screen somehow interact with your mug. Even if it’s not a straight on angle, 
still. This alone seems like one of those things where the aggregate may get on 
your nerves. 

It’ll likely be a moot point in the future soon enough, but for now, I’m still 
good with the fingerprint. The extra security is fine, but at one point does 
overkill come into play? I mean one in a million instead of one in fifty 
thousand is of course great, but I’ve already got touch ID enabled on my phone 
with the screen brightness set to zero, find my iPhone enabled, different 
passwords for different services, etc. All I’d need now is to slap a chastity 
belt on it.

I’m still quite happy with my trusty SE, but if I upgrade, it’ll most likely be 
for the 8 or maybe the 8 Plus. Still using a 5S for my second business cell and 
plan on using that bad boy until the wheels fall off or until the SE or iPhone 
6 models get into the $150 range or so. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jewel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

>From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
>even more unattractive!

Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

 

 Jewel

 

From: Cris Ali   

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB reader 
entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify the 
pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.

Cheers,

Cris 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.

If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know

Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread Andy Baracco 
The carriers may offer discounts as an incentive to switch.
Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:27 PM
  Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


  The price isn't going to go down very much this year. Unlike what happens 
with android phones, where you see all kinds of discounts and deals and two for 
one at Cetera, don't look for any big deals on the iPhone ex. Besides, as a 
blind person, it makes zero sense to buy this phone. You get nothing that you 
can't get in the iPhone 8 Plus.
  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:24 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


that price will come down over time if the market is anything to go on.

From: Jewel 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 22:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?

From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
even more unattractive!
Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

 Jewel

From: Cris Ali 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB 
reader entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify 
the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.

Cheers,

Cris 



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?



I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there 
are people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get 
anything good with KNFB Reader.

If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?



I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, 
text grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a 
huge OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the 
huge changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  
Of course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 





From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?



Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? 



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?



May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  
But I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could 
not find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have

Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread Mary Otten 
The price isn't going to go down very much this year. Unlike what happens with 
android phones, where you see all kinds of discounts and deals and two for one 
at Cetera, don't look for any big deals on the iPhone ex. Besides, as a blind 
person, it makes zero sense to buy this phone. You get nothing that you can't 
get in the iPhone 8 Plus.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:24 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> that price will come down over time if the market is anything to go on.
>  
> From: Jewel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 22:30
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
> even more unattractive!
> Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?
>  
>  Jewel
>  
> From: Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
> 
> I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB 
> reader entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to 
> identify the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.
> Cheers,
> Cris
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
> people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
> good with KNFB Reader.
> If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
> document scanning channel in Seeing AI.
> The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
> accuracy.
> A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
> difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to 
> it then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a 
> good ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page 
> would probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t 
> able to do a good job with an iPhone X.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
> grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a 
> huge OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the 
> huge changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  
> Of course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are 
> noticeable between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and 
> stability are functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the 
> great improvements in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR 
> results.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
> camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
> 10?
>  
> May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  
> But I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could 
> not find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist 
> in iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the 
> retina display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always 
> turned on.  I am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR 
> apps can find in iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the 
> Cameras in the existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers 
> of OCR apps have not taken full advantages of them yet.
> Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions 
> to mine.
> Regards,
> Cris
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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
that price will come down over time if the market is anything to go on.

From: Jewel 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 22:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

>From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
>even more unattractive!
Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

 Jewel

From: Cris Ali 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?


I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB reader 
entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify the 
pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.

Cheers,

Cris 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.

If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

 

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.

Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.

Regards,

Cris

 

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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread Mary Otten 
I couldn't agree more. If I were in the market this year, I would get an 8+. No 
question.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> The iPhone X offers nothing for a visually impaired person that would warrant 
> the increased price. The iPhone 8 should service the needs of a visually 
> impaired person well.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Jewel
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 PM
> Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
> 
> From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
> even more unattractive!
> Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?
>  
>  Jewel
> 
> From: Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
> 
> I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB 
> reader entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to 
> identify the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.
> Cheers,
> Cris
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
> people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
> good with KNFB Reader.
> If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
> document scanning channel in Seeing AI.
> The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
> accuracy.
> A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
> difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to 
> it then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a 
> good ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page 
> would probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t 
> able to do a good job with an iPhone X.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
> grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a 
> huge OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the 
> huge changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  
> Of course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are 
> noticeable between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and 
> stability are functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the 
> great improvements in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR 
> results.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
> iPhone 10?
>  
> Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
> camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
> 10?
>  
> May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  
> But I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could 
> not find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist 
> in iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the 
> retina display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always 
> turned on.  I am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR 
> apps can find in iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the 
> Cameras in the existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers 
> of OCR apps have not taken full advantages of them yet.
> Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions 
> to mine.
> Regards,
> Cris
>  
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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
would it not be better to have the phone on a flat surface so that the scanning 
device at least is steady?

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 20:33
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.

If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

 

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.

Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.

Regards,

Cris

 

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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread Andy Baracco 
The iPhone X offers nothing for a visually impaired person that would warrant 
the increased price. The iPhone 8 should service the needs of a visually 
impaired person well.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jewel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 PM
  Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


  From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
even more unattractive!
  Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

   Jewel


  From: Cris Ali 
  Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


  I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB 
reader entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify 
the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.

  Cheers,

  Cris 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?

   

  I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.

  If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

  The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

  A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?

   

  I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?

   

  Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

   

  May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  
But I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could 
not find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.

  Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions 
to mine.

  Regards,

  Cris

   

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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread Jewel 
>From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
>even more unattractive!
Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

 Jewel


From: Cris Ali 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?


I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB reader 
entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify the 
pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.

Cheers,

Cris 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.

If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

 

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

 

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.

Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.

Regards,

Cris

 

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RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread Cris Ali 
I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB reader 
entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify the 
pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.
Cheers,
Cris

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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
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Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.
If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.
The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.
A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.
Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.
Regards,
Cris

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RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.
If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.
The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.
A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.
Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.
Regards,
Cris

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RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread Cris Ali 
I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge 
changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  Of 
course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results.


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Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
not taken full advantages of them yet.
Very curious to know if You folks have reached similar tentative impressions to 
mine.
Regards,
Cris

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RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
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Cris

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What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

2017-09-13 Thread Cris Ali 
May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  But 
I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not 
find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in 
iPhone ten's camera to perfect their products,  As is the Cameras in the 
existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have 
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