iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Hi All,

My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all 
over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality, despite 
its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is Unbelievable, 
I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared to my iPad3.

This is definitely one to be kept…

speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and as a 
blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.


Regards,

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RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Ramy Moustafa
These r really great news
But may I ask, if I have an I phone, why will I buy the ipad mini?


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Hi All,

My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all
over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality,
despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is
Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared to
my iPad3.

This is definitely one to be kept.

speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and as
a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.


Regards,

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RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Ramy,

One would buy an iPad Mini for the same reason why one would buy a regular
iPad or an iPod Touch and that is as a companion device for your iPhone. In
the end it completely comes down to whether you can afford to buy a second
device and find it useful to have a second device. One positive point is
that I wouldn't have to charge my iPhone as often because when I am at home
I could use an iPod Touch, iPad or iPad Mini to listen to music or a book or
use apps. Some also find the large screen of an iPad useful and with the
iPad Mini being siginificantly larger than an iPod Touch but noticeably
smaller than the 10 inch iPad, it's a good compromise.


Regards,
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
for me, it is my consumption device, I use it to watch TV programs and movies, 
that would otherwise drain my iPhone battery… In addition, and this is a big 
thing for me, there are certain Apps only available for iPad and not iPhone.


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On 3 Nov 2012, at 11:28, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

> These r really great news
> But may I ask, if I have an I phone, why will I buy the ipad mini?
> 
> 
> Cheers:
> Ramy Moustafa
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> Subject: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all
> over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality,
> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is
> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared to
> my iPad3.
> 
> This is definitely one to be kept.
> 
> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and as
> a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Sieghard,

Absolutely, for me I was somewhat shocked at just how perfect this size is… To 
me the iPod Touch makes no sense at all, I already have an iPhone.

So I've bought and used happily the iPad1, 2 and most recently the ipad3.

I have just taken delivery of the iPad Mini and will also be receiving the 
iPad4 to compare, however, already am pretty much sold on the form factor of 
the Mini. Its just the right set of compromising for me… not to small to make 
it pointless, not to large to make it heavy and unpleasant to carry around, 
but, enough screen to make browsing that bit easier than on the iPhone, and, 
not a battery drain on the iPhone at the same time. Then there's the point of 
all three of the papers I read daily are all only available as full editions 
when viewed using the iPad App.

So this is a spot on size for me, portable, light weight, surprisingly so, 
thin, and just right.


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On 2 Nov 2012, at 11:36, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hi Ramy,
> 
> One would buy an iPad Mini for the same reason why one would buy a regular
> iPad or an iPod Touch and that is as a companion device for your iPhone. In
> the end it completely comes down to whether you can afford to buy a second
> device and find it useful to have a second device. One positive point is
> that I wouldn't have to charge my iPhone as often because when I am at home
> I could use an iPod Touch, iPad or iPad Mini to listen to music or a book or
> use apps. Some also find the large screen of an iPad useful and with the
> iPad Mini being siginificantly larger than an iPod Touch but noticeably
> smaller than the 10 inch iPad, it's a good compromise.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Neil,

Will the I Pad Mini fit in one hand? Please describe it as I can't get an Idea 
from the description. For instance, compare it to the I phone 5.

Kawal.

On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all 
> over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality, despite 
> its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is 
> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared to 
> my iPad3.
> 
> This is definitely one to be kept…
> 
> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and as 
> a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
What kind of Apps Neil? I mean what different Apps are for the I Pad?

Kawal.

On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> for me, it is my consumption device, I use it to watch TV programs and 
> movies, that would otherwise drain my iPhone battery… In addition, and this 
> is a big thing for me, there are certain Apps only available for iPad and not 
> iPhone.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
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> 
> On 3 Nov 2012, at 11:28, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
>> These r really great news
>> But may I ask, if I have an I phone, why will I buy the ipad mini?
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers:
>> Ramy Moustafa
>> If music be the food of love... play on.
>> Mobile:
>> 0020102221750
>> Personal email:
>> ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com
>> Msn and aim messengers:
>> flutelo...@link.net
>> Studio email:
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>> www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber
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>> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; The Accessible Phones Discussion List
>> Subject: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all
>> over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality,
>> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is
>> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared to
>> my iPad3.
>> 
>> This is definitely one to be kept.
>> 
>> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and as
>> a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Kawal,

That I can do, putting my iPhone 5 directly on top of the iPad Mini, the iPhone 
5 is a third of the size almost exactly.

In other words, if you put 3 iPhone 5's side by side, this is almost the exact 
size taken up by the iPad Mini.

It is the same thickness give or take as an iPhone 5…

I can very easily hold it in one hand and can very easily use it with two… the 
weight is the biggest benefit, being half that of the larger full size iPad… it 
makes holding and using far easier and less strenuous.


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On 2 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Neil,
> 
> Will the I Pad Mini fit in one hand? Please describe it as I can't get an 
> Idea from the description. For instance, compare it to the I phone 5.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all 
>> over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality, 
>> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is 
>> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared to 
>> my iPad3.
>> 
>> This is definitely one to be kept…
>> 
>> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and as 
>> a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
The Telegraph that I read daily has the full edition on the iPad only, not on 
the iPhone.

likewise; New York Times, The Times (UK), The Economist, The Financial Times 
etc. These are all only available as full content, as if you had the actual 
paper in your hands, on the iPad not the iPhone.

They all offer cut down material for the iPhone, but, not every article, every 
element.


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On 2 Nov 2012, at 13:45, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> What kind of Apps Neil? I mean what different Apps are for the I Pad?
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
> wrote:
> 
>> for me, it is my consumption device, I use it to watch TV programs and 
>> movies, that would otherwise drain my iPhone battery… In addition, and this 
>> is a big thing for me, there are certain Apps only available for iPad and 
>> not iPhone.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible 
>> phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
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>> 
>> On 3 Nov 2012, at 11:28, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>>> These r really great news
>>> But may I ask, if I have an I phone, why will I buy the ipad mini?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers:
>>> Ramy Moustafa
>>> If music be the food of love... play on.
>>> Mobile:
>>> 0020102221750
>>> Personal email:
>>> ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com
>>> Msn and aim messengers:
>>> flutelo...@link.net
>>> Studio email:
>>> harmonystudio2...@gmail.com
>>> facebook profile:
>>> http://www.facebook.com/
>>> Twitter:
>>> moustafa.r...@gmail.com
>>> youtube chanael:
>>> www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:15 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; The Accessible Phones Discussion List
>>> Subject: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all
>>> over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality,
>>> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is
>>> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared to
>>> my iPad3.
>>> 
>>> This is definitely one to be kept.
>>> 
>>> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and as
>>> a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible
>>> phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
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RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Lynda Ingraham
Hi Neil, I had not heard there is an Ipad 4 available or soon to be
available.  Could you please give more info or send a link along to read
about the Ipad 4?  We are getting ready to update and would be interested to
hear about a 4.  

Thank you, 

Lynda 

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Sieghard,

Absolutely, for me I was somewhat shocked at just how perfect this size is.
To me the iPod Touch makes no sense at all, I already have an iPhone.

So I've bought and used happily the iPad1, 2 and most recently the ipad3.

I have just taken delivery of the iPad Mini and will also be receiving the
iPad4 to compare, however, already am pretty much sold on the form factor of
the Mini. Its just the right set of compromising for me. not to small to
make it pointless, not to large to make it heavy and unpleasant to carry
around, but, enough screen to make browsing that bit easier than on the
iPhone, and, not a battery drain on the iPhone at the same time. Then
there's the point of all three of the papers I read daily are all only
available as full editions when viewed using the iPad App.

So this is a spot on size for me, portable, light weight, surprisingly so,
thin, and just right.


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On 2 Nov 2012, at 11:36, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hi Ramy,
> 
> One would buy an iPad Mini for the same reason why one would buy a 
> regular iPad or an iPod Touch and that is as a companion device for 
> your iPhone. In the end it completely comes down to whether you can 
> afford to buy a second device and find it useful to have a second 
> device. One positive point is that I wouldn't have to charge my iPhone 
> as often because when I am at home I could use an iPod Touch, iPad or 
> iPad Mini to listen to music or a book or use apps. Some also find the 
> large screen of an iPad useful and with the iPad Mini being 
> siginificantly larger than an iPod Touch but noticeably smaller than the
10 inch iPad, it's a good compromise.
> 
> 
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I can picture it now. something to think about.

Thank you.

Kawal.  

On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Kawal,
> 
> That I can do, putting my iPhone 5 directly on top of the iPad Mini, the 
> iPhone 5 is a third of the size almost exactly.
> 
> In other words, if you put 3 iPhone 5's side by side, this is almost the 
> exact size taken up by the iPad Mini.
> 
> It is the same thickness give or take as an iPhone 5…
> 
> I can very easily hold it in one hand and can very easily use it with two… 
> the weight is the biggest benefit, being half that of the larger full size 
> iPad… it makes holding and using far easier and less strenuous.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
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> On 2 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Neil,
>> 
>> Will the I Pad Mini fit in one hand? Please describe it as I can't get an 
>> Idea from the description. For instance, compare it to the I phone 5.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all 
>>> over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality, 
>>> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is 
>>> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared 
>>> to my iPad3.
>>> 
>>> This is definitely one to be kept…
>>> 
>>> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and 
>>> as a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
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RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Cristobal
Do you still have to deal with containers on the Mini?

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Hi All,

My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all
over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality,
despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is
Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared to
my iPad3.

This is definitely one to be kept.

speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and as
a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.


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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread ShamelessFanGirl
Hello Neil, and others,

Does the App Store search  glitch exist on the mini, as it does its larger 
brethren? I suspect the answer here is yes, but am curious nevertheless.

Thanks in advance for your response, and do keep us posted as to how you go 
with your new friend. :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, "Cristobal"  wrote:

> Do you still have to deal with containers on the Mini?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all
> over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality,
> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is
> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared to
> my iPad3.
> 
> This is definitely one to be kept.
> 
> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and as
> a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Mary Otten

Neal, Are you reading Economist and NY Times via newstand? When I tried the NY 
Times last on my full-sized iPad, it was really not accessible, whereas the 
iPhone app is perfectly so. And I think they say that the app on the phone 
offers all the content as well.

Mary

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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Rob Harris
Ok, I was thinking about this,   and getting tempted all the time!...   but 
the lady needs to check if her hands are large enough to hold an iPhone 
comfortably in landscape; it looks like it could be a bit of a stretch.  But 
if you can get a good grip with thumb one end and fingers the other;  then 
the Mini will work sideways.  I tend to phone up the general number and buy 
over the phone,  so need to know most of this before it arrives, or we can 
get unexpected surprises.  Ok, if they were expected, they wouldn't be a 
surprise.  The gears are slipping in the brainbox.

Anyway, UK:  0800-048-0408; free hsipping.

RobH,  off to make tea and take my mind off it.
- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions


Kawal,

That I can do, putting my iPhone 5 directly on top of the iPad Mini, the 
iPhone 5 is a third of the size almost exactly.

In other words, if you put 3 iPhone 5's side by side, this is almost the 
exact size taken up by the iPad Mini.

It is the same thickness give or take as an iPhone 5…

I can very easily hold it in one hand and can very easily use it with two… 
the weight is the biggest benefit, being half that of the larger full size 
iPad… it makes holding and using far easier and less strenuous.


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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On 2 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Neil,
>
> Will the I Pad Mini fit in one hand? Please describe it as I can't get an 
> Idea from the description. For instance, compare it to the I phone 5.
>
> Kawal.
>
> On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the 
>> all over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality, 
>> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is 
>> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared 
>> to my iPad3.
>>
>> This is definitely one to be kept…
>>
>> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and 
>> as a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Neil Barnfather
>>
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>
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>>
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread ShamelessFanGirl
I'm precisely where you are Rob. Am off to play with one in a few minutes, and 
will pass along my thoughts/observations upon returning. Granted, playing while 
at Apple is different to doing so in your own space, amid your own apps, though 
perhaps I'm merely making a psychological case for desperately wanting one?

Nevertheless, TBC.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Rob Harris  wrote:

> Ok, I was thinking about this,   and getting tempted all the time!...   but 
> the lady needs to check if her hands are large enough to hold an iPhone 
> comfortably in landscape; it looks like it could be a bit of a stretch.  But 
> if you can get a good grip with thumb one end and fingers the other;  then 
> the Mini will work sideways.  I tend to phone up the general number and buy 
> over the phone,  so need to know most of this before it arrives, or we can 
> get unexpected surprises.  Ok, if they were expected, they wouldn't be a 
> surprise.  The gears are slipping in the brainbox.
> 
> Anyway, UK:  0800-048-0408; free hsipping.
> 
> RobH,  off to make tea and take my mind off it.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
> 
> 
> Kawal,
> 
> That I can do, putting my iPhone 5 directly on top of the iPad Mini, the 
> iPhone 5 is a third of the size almost exactly.
> 
> In other words, if you put 3 iPhone 5's side by side, this is almost the 
> exact size taken up by the iPad Mini.
> 
> It is the same thickness give or take as an iPhone 5…
> 
> I can very easily hold it in one hand and can very easily use it with two… 
> the weight is the biggest benefit, being half that of the larger full size 
> iPad… it makes holding and using far easier and less strenuous.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible 
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> 
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> 
> On 2 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Neil,
>> 
>> Will the I Pad Mini fit in one hand? Please describe it as I can't get an 
>> Idea from the description. For instance, compare it to the I phone 5.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the 
>>> all over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality, 
>>> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is 
>>> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared 
>>> to my iPad3.
>>> 
>>> This is definitely one to be kept…
>>> 
>>> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and 
>>> as a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your 
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread ShamelessFanGirl
You've created a monster Neil. :D

Take care

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Rob Harris  wrote:

> Ok, I was thinking about this,   and getting tempted all the time!...   but 
> the lady needs to check if her hands are large enough to hold an iPhone 
> comfortably in landscape; it looks like it could be a bit of a stretch.  But 
> if you can get a good grip with thumb one end and fingers the other;  then 
> the Mini will work sideways.  I tend to phone up the general number and buy 
> over the phone,  so need to know most of this before it arrives, or we can 
> get unexpected surprises.  Ok, if they were expected, they wouldn't be a 
> surprise.  The gears are slipping in the brainbox.
> 
> Anyway, UK:  0800-048-0408; free hsipping.
> 
> RobH,  off to make tea and take my mind off it.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
> 
> 
> Kawal,
> 
> That I can do, putting my iPhone 5 directly on top of the iPad Mini, the 
> iPhone 5 is a third of the size almost exactly.
> 
> In other words, if you put 3 iPhone 5's side by side, this is almost the 
> exact size taken up by the iPad Mini.
> 
> It is the same thickness give or take as an iPhone 5…
> 
> I can very easily hold it in one hand and can very easily use it with two… 
> the weight is the biggest benefit, being half that of the larger full size 
> iPad… it makes holding and using far easier and less strenuous.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible 
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> 
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> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 2 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Neil,
>> 
>> Will the I Pad Mini fit in one hand? Please describe it as I can't get an 
>> Idea from the description. For instance, compare it to the I phone 5.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the 
>>> all over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality, 
>>> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is 
>>> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared 
>>> to my iPad3.
>>> 
>>> This is definitely one to be kept…
>>> 
>>> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and 
>>> as a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Scott Davert
Does anyone know whether the new iPad mini or the 4 vibrate to alert
of incoming stuff?

Scott

On 11/2/12, ShamelessFanGirl  wrote:
> You've created a monster Neil. :D
>
> Take care
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Rob Harris  wrote:
>
>> Ok, I was thinking about this,   and getting tempted all the time!...
>> but
>> the lady needs to check if her hands are large enough to hold an iPhone
>> comfortably in landscape; it looks like it could be a bit of a stretch.
>> But
>> if you can get a good grip with thumb one end and fingers the other;  then
>>
>> the Mini will work sideways.  I tend to phone up the general number and
>> buy
>> over the phone,  so need to know most of this before it arrives, or we can
>>
>> get unexpected surprises.  Ok, if they were expected, they wouldn't be a
>> surprise.  The gears are slipping in the brainbox.
>>
>> Anyway, UK:  0800-048-0408; free hsipping.
>>
>> RobH,  off to make tea and take my mind off it.
>> ----- Original Message -
>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 1:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
>>
>>
>> Kawal,
>>
>> That I can do, putting my iPhone 5 directly on top of the iPad Mini, the
>> iPhone 5 is a third of the size almost exactly.
>>
>> In other words, if you put 3 iPhone 5's side by side, this is almost the
>> exact size taken up by the iPad Mini.
>>
>> It is the same thickness give or take as an iPhone 5…
>>
>> I can very easily hold it in one hand and can very easily use it with two…
>>
>> the weight is the biggest benefit, being half that of the larger full size
>>
>> iPad… it makes holding and using far easier and less strenuous.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Neil Barnfather
>>
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>
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>>
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>> accessible
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>>
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>>
>> On 2 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>>> Neil,
>>>
>>> Will the I Pad Mini fit in one hand? Please describe it as I can't get an
>>>
>>> Idea from the description. For instance, compare it to the I phone 5.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
>>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the
>>>>
>>>> all over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build
>>>> quality,
>>>> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is
>>>>
>>>> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels
>>>> compared
>>>> to my iPad3.
>>>>
>>>> This is definitely one to be kept…
>>>>
>>>> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance
>>>> and
>>>> as a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Neil Barnfather
>>>>
>>>> Talks List Administrator
>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>>>
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>>>> Apple
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>>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>>>
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread ShamelessFanGirl
to the best of my knowledge, none of them have a vibration mechanism built in, 
nor does the Touch.

HTH...though the pad does have the ability to be muted, though I'm unsure of 
whether the Mini does.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:

> Does anyone know whether the new iPad mini or the 4 vibrate to alert
> of incoming stuff?
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 11/2/12, ShamelessFanGirl  wrote:
>> You've created a monster Neil. :D
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Rob Harris  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, I was thinking about this,   and getting tempted all the time!...
>>> but
>>> the lady needs to check if her hands are large enough to hold an iPhone
>>> comfortably in landscape; it looks like it could be a bit of a stretch.
>>> But
>>> if you can get a good grip with thumb one end and fingers the other;  then
>>> 
>>> the Mini will work sideways.  I tend to phone up the general number and
>>> buy
>>> over the phone,  so need to know most of this before it arrives, or we can
>>> 
>>> get unexpected surprises.  Ok, if they were expected, they wouldn't be a
>>> surprise.  The gears are slipping in the brainbox.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, UK:  0800-048-0408; free hsipping.
>>> 
>>> RobH,  off to make tea and take my mind off it.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 1:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kawal,
>>> 
>>> That I can do, putting my iPhone 5 directly on top of the iPad Mini, the
>>> iPhone 5 is a third of the size almost exactly.
>>> 
>>> In other words, if you put 3 iPhone 5's side by side, this is almost the
>>> exact size taken up by the iPad Mini.
>>> 
>>> It is the same thickness give or take as an iPhone 5…
>>> 
>>> I can very easily hold it in one hand and can very easily use it with two…
>>> 
>>> the weight is the biggest benefit, being half that of the larger full size
>>> 
>>> iPad… it makes holding and using far easier and less strenuous.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
>>> 
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible
>>> phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> On 2 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Neil,
>>>> 
>>>> Will the I Pad Mini fit in one hand? Please describe it as I can't get an
>>>> 
>>>> Idea from the description. For instance, compare it to the I phone 5.
>>>> 
>>>> Kawal.
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the
>>>>> 
>>>>> all over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build
>>>>> quality,
>>>>> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is
>>>>> 
>>>>> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels
>>>>> compared
>>>>> to my iPad3.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is definitely one to be kept…
>>>>> 
>>>>> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance
>>>>> and
>>>>> as a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Neil Barnfather
>>>>> 
>>>>> Talks List Administrator
>>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>>>> 
>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an
>>>>> Apple
>>>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS

Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Scott Howell
What is the problem with containers? 
On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Cristobal  wrote:

> Do you still have to deal with containers on the Mini?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 3:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; The Accessible Phones Discussion List
> Subject: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all
> over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality,
> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is
> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared to
> my iPad3.
> 
> This is definitely one to be kept.
> 
> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and as
> a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
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> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible
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RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Cristobal
No problem with the containers, but if they're not present, then even
better.

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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:25 PM
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What is the problem with containers? 
On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Cristobal  wrote:

> Do you still have to deal with containers on the Mini?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 3:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; The Accessible Phones Discussion List
> Subject: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has 
> the all over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build 
> quality, despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight 
> difference is Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter 
> this feels compared to my iPad3.
> 
> This is definitely one to be kept.
> 
> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance 
> and as a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Scott Howell
CHris,

Let me restate the question. You seem not to care for containers and I'm 
curious why that is? Do you find that they serve no purpose?

On Nov 2, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Cristobal  wrote:

> No problem with the containers, but if they're not present, then even
> better.
> 
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> Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
> 
> What is the problem with containers? 
> On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Cristobal  wrote:
> 
>> Do you still have to deal with containers on the Mini?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 3:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; The Accessible Phones Discussion List
>> Subject: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has 
>> the all over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build 
>> quality, despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight 
>> difference is Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter 
>> this feels compared to my iPad3.
>> 
>> This is definitely one to be kept.
>> 
>> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance 
>> and as a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
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>> 
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-02 Thread Damashe Thomas
Also, there are quite a few books in the iBooks store only for the iPad and 
I prefer web browsing on an iPad.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions


The Telegraph that I read daily has the full edition on the iPad only, not 
on the iPhone.


likewise; New York Times, The Times (UK), The Economist, The Financial Times 
etc. These are all only available as full content, as if you had the actual 
paper in your hands, on the iPad not the iPhone.


They all offer cut down material for the iPhone, but, not every article, 
every element.



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On 2 Nov 2012, at 13:45, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:


What kind of Apps Neil? I mean what different Apps are for the I Pad?

Kawal.

On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
 wrote:


for me, it is my consumption device, I use it to watch TV programs and 
movies, that would otherwise drain my iPhone battery… In addition, and 
this is a big thing for me, there are certain Apps only available for 
iPad and not iPhone.



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On 3 Nov 2012, at 11:28, Ramy Moustafa  
wrote:



These r really great news
But may I ask, if I have an I phone, why will I buy the ipad mini?


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Behalf

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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; The Accessible Phones Discussion List
Subject: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

Hi All,

My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the 
all

over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality,
despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is
Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels 
compared to

my iPad3.

This is definitely one to be kept.

speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance 
and as

a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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Apple
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
OK, I'll try and cover all questions in one hit:

None of the iPad's, inc the latest 4th generation and Mini have vibration 
functionality.

The mini has containers as with the larger iPad versions.

I personally can quite comfortably and easily hold the iPad Mini in portrait 
rotation, with the device between my thumb on one side and four remaining 
fingers the other side. Leaving one hand completely free to touch / type.

It should be noted that this is how Phil Schillinger, Apple's product chap, 
demonstrated it during the press conference introducing iPad Mini.

iBooks is another good case for the iPad, good point well made.

The iPad Mini also has, and I'm not quite sure how important this is, but, also 
has stereo speakers for use when in portrait orientation, of course, would have 
made more sense in landscape, but, never mind.

I think my wife best summed up the iPad Mini with the following comment. We 
currently own two iPad's, both 3rd generation, bought in March. I was thinking 
of getting a third new one this time, as our children use them a lot too. When 
I showed her the Mini her response was, oh, yes, that looks nice, I assume I'll 
be getting one as well? This from a none tech embracing sort, said it all to me.




Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

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Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 2 Nov 2012, at 14:06, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:

> Hi Neil, I had not heard there is an Ipad 4 available or soon to be
> available.  Could you please give more info or send a link along to read
> about the Ipad 4?  We are getting ready to update and would be interested to
> hear about a 4.  
> 
> Thank you, 
> 
> Lynda 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 8:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
> 
> Sieghard,
> 
> Absolutely, for me I was somewhat shocked at just how perfect this size is.
> To me the iPod Touch makes no sense at all, I already have an iPhone.
> 
> So I've bought and used happily the iPad1, 2 and most recently the ipad3.
> 
> I have just taken delivery of the iPad Mini and will also be receiving the
> iPad4 to compare, however, already am pretty much sold on the form factor of
> the Mini. Its just the right set of compromising for me. not to small to
> make it pointless, not to large to make it heavy and unpleasant to carry
> around, but, enough screen to make browsing that bit easier than on the
> iPhone, and, not a battery drain on the iPhone at the same time. Then
> there's the point of all three of the papers I read daily are all only
> available as full editions when viewed using the iPad App.
> 
> So this is a spot on size for me, portable, light weight, surprisingly so,
> thin, and just right.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible
> phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 2 Nov 2012, at 11:36, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ramy,
>> 
>> One would buy an iPad Mini for the same reason why one would buy a 
>> regular iPad or an iPod Touch and that is as a companion device for 
>> your iPhone. In the end it completely comes down to whether you can 
>> afford to buy a second device and find it useful to have a second 
>> device. One positive point is that I wouldn't have to charge my iPhone 
>> as often because when I am at home I could use an iPod Touch, iPad or 
>> iPad Mini to listen to music or a book or use apps. Some also find the 
>> large screen of an iPad useful and with the iPad Mini being 
>> siginificantly larger than an iPod Touch but noticeably smaller than the
> 10 inch iPad, it's a good compromise.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
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RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread Rick Alfaro
Neal,

I have to share with you what my wife who currently has an ipad 2 said when
she got her hands on my ipad Mini.

First she of course said it was "cute".
Then she said you need to swap with me and take my Ipad 2 instead of this
one because it's more manly and size matters.
(lol)

It was priceless.

Best,

Rick




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Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 7:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

OK, I'll try and cover all questions in one hit:

None of the iPad's, inc the latest 4th generation and Mini have vibration
functionality.

The mini has containers as with the larger iPad versions.

I personally can quite comfortably and easily hold the iPad Mini in portrait
rotation, with the device between my thumb on one side and four remaining
fingers the other side. Leaving one hand completely free to touch / type.

It should be noted that this is how Phil Schillinger, Apple's product chap,
demonstrated it during the press conference introducing iPad Mini.

iBooks is another good case for the iPad, good point well made.

The iPad Mini also has, and I'm not quite sure how important this is, but,
also has stereo speakers for use when in portrait orientation, of course,
would have made more sense in landscape, but, never mind.

I think my wife best summed up the iPad Mini with the following comment. We
currently own two iPad's, both 3rd generation, bought in March. I was
thinking of getting a third new one this time, as our children use them a
lot too. When I showed her the Mini her response was, oh, yes, that looks
nice, I assume I'll be getting one as well? This from a none tech embracing
sort, said it all to me.




Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible
phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

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e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 2 Nov 2012, at 14:06, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:

> Hi Neil, I had not heard there is an Ipad 4 available or soon to be 
> available.  Could you please give more info or send a link along to 
> read about the Ipad 4?  We are getting ready to update and would be 
> interested to hear about a 4.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Lynda
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 8:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
> 
> Sieghard,
> 
> Absolutely, for me I was somewhat shocked at just how perfect this size
is.
> To me the iPod Touch makes no sense at all, I already have an iPhone.
> 
> So I've bought and used happily the iPad1, 2 and most recently the ipad3.
> 
> I have just taken delivery of the iPad Mini and will also be receiving 
> the
> iPad4 to compare, however, already am pretty much sold on the form 
> factor of the Mini. Its just the right set of compromising for me. not 
> to small to make it pointless, not to large to make it heavy and 
> unpleasant to carry around, but, enough screen to make browsing that 
> bit easier than on the iPhone, and, not a battery drain on the iPhone 
> at the same time. Then there's the point of all three of the papers I 
> read daily are all only available as full editions when viewed using the
iPad App.
> 
> So this is a spot on size for me, portable, light weight, surprisingly 
> so, thin, and just right.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all 
> your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit 
> www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 2 Nov 2012, at 11:36, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ramy,
>> 
>> One would buy an iPad Mini for the same reason why one would buy a 
>> regular iPad or an iPod Touch and that is as a companion device for 
>> your iPhone. In the end it completely comes down to whether you can 
>> afford to buy a second device and find it useful to have a second 
>> device. One positive point is that I wouldn't have to charge my 
>> iPhone as often because when I am at home I could use an iPod Touch, 
>> iPad or iPad Mini to listen to music or a book or use apps. Some also 

RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread Eric SS
Rick, I had been considering the Mini as a means of cancelling telephone
service and just using Google Voice or Skype for the very occasional calls I
make. I had ordered the WIFI and cellular device. I wish the Touch came in a
cellular version because it just seems the added screen size of even the
Mini is wasted for those of us with no sight.

In the meantime, I changed my Verizon plan, which now gives me unlimited
talk time. While I do make few calls, they do tend to be lengthy. How did
someone who doesn't like talking on the phone end up with friends who use it
so much?

So, I decided I would cancel my Mini order. It was interesting that I had
placed my order within the first 2 hours of Apple taking orders, and I was
told the WIFI/cellular would ship mid November, when I looked at the ship
date at cancellation it was November 23.

All of that might be of no interest, but what I will be curious to see from
you guys who got the Mini, the totally blind users, what advantages are you
seeing to having it and an IPhone? I have not discounted getting one, but I
did think I would wait until I at least got to hold one before ordering.

Thanks for comments on how you see yourself using the Mini along with your
phone and maybe why a WIFI Mini has advantages over a WIFI Touch.

The best!

Eric


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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread Rob Harris
Lol!...   such a wifely response is that.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions


OK, I'll try and cover all questions in one hit:

None of the iPad's, inc the latest 4th generation and Mini have vibration 
functionality.

The mini has containers as with the larger iPad versions.

I personally can quite comfortably and easily hold the iPad Mini in portrait 
rotation, with the device between my thumb on one side and four remaining 
fingers the other side. Leaving one hand completely free to touch / type.

It should be noted that this is how Phil Schillinger, Apple's product chap, 
demonstrated it during the press conference introducing iPad Mini.

iBooks is another good case for the iPad, good point well made.

The iPad Mini also has, and I'm not quite sure how important this is, but, 
also has stereo speakers for use when in portrait orientation, of course, 
would have made more sense in landscape, but, never mind.

I think my wife best summed up the iPad Mini with the following comment. We 
currently own two iPad's, both 3rd generation, bought in March. I was 
thinking of getting a third new one this time, as our children use them a 
lot too. When I showed her the Mini her response was, oh, yes, that looks 
nice, I assume I'll be getting one as well? This from a none tech embracing 
sort, said it all to me.




Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible 
phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 2 Nov 2012, at 14:06, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:

> Hi Neil, I had not heard there is an Ipad 4 available or soon to be
> available.  Could you please give more info or send a link along to read
> about the Ipad 4?  We are getting ready to update and would be interested 
> to
> hear about a 4.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Lynda
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 8:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
>
> Sieghard,
>
> Absolutely, for me I was somewhat shocked at just how perfect this size 
> is.
> To me the iPod Touch makes no sense at all, I already have an iPhone.
>
> So I've bought and used happily the iPad1, 2 and most recently the ipad3.
>
> I have just taken delivery of the iPad Mini and will also be receiving the
> iPad4 to compare, however, already am pretty much sold on the form factor 
> of
> the Mini. Its just the right set of compromising for me. not to small to
> make it pointless, not to large to make it heavy and unpleasant to carry
> around, but, enough screen to make browsing that bit easier than on the
> iPhone, and, not a battery drain on the iPhone at the same time. Then
> there's the point of all three of the papers I read daily are all only
> available as full editions when viewed using the iPad App.
>
> So this is a spot on size for me, portable, light weight, surprisingly so,
> thin, and just right.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Neil Barnfather
>
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your 
> accessible
> phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>
> On 2 Nov 2012, at 11:36, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
>> Hi Ramy,
>>
>> One would buy an iPad Mini for the same reason why one would buy a
>> regular iPad or an iPod Touch and that is as a companion device for
>> your iPhone. In the end it completely comes down to whether you can
>> afford to buy a second device and find it useful to have a second
>> device. One positive point is that I wouldn't have to charge my iPhone
>> as often because when I am at home I could use an iPod Touch, iPad or
>> iPad Mini to listen to music or a book or use apps. Some also find the
>> large screen of an iPad useful and with the iPad Mini being
>> siginificantly larger than an iPod Touch but noticeably smaller than the
> 10 inch iPad, it's a good compromise.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread Rob Harris
Hummmnmnm,...   Yep! there's no arguing with them either.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Alfaro" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 12:17 PM
Subject: RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions


Neal,

I have to share with you what my wife who currently has an ipad 2 said when
she got her hands on my ipad Mini.

First she of course said it was "cute".
Then she said you need to swap with me and take my Ipad 2 instead of this
one because it's more manly and size matters.
(lol)

It was priceless.

Best,

Rick




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 7:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

OK, I'll try and cover all questions in one hit:

None of the iPad's, inc the latest 4th generation and Mini have vibration
functionality.

The mini has containers as with the larger iPad versions.

I personally can quite comfortably and easily hold the iPad Mini in portrait
rotation, with the device between my thumb on one side and four remaining
fingers the other side. Leaving one hand completely free to touch / type.

It should be noted that this is how Phil Schillinger, Apple's product chap,
demonstrated it during the press conference introducing iPad Mini.

iBooks is another good case for the iPad, good point well made.

The iPad Mini also has, and I'm not quite sure how important this is, but,
also has stereo speakers for use when in portrait orientation, of course,
would have made more sense in landscape, but, never mind.

I think my wife best summed up the iPad Mini with the following comment. We
currently own two iPad's, both 3rd generation, bought in March. I was
thinking of getting a third new one this time, as our children use them a
lot too. When I showed her the Mini her response was, oh, yes, that looks
nice, I assume I'll be getting one as well? This from a none tech embracing
sort, said it all to me.




Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible
phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 2 Nov 2012, at 14:06, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:

> Hi Neil, I had not heard there is an Ipad 4 available or soon to be
> available.  Could you please give more info or send a link along to
> read about the Ipad 4?  We are getting ready to update and would be
> interested to hear about a 4.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Lynda
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 8:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
>
> Sieghard,
>
> Absolutely, for me I was somewhat shocked at just how perfect this size
is.
> To me the iPod Touch makes no sense at all, I already have an iPhone.
>
> So I've bought and used happily the iPad1, 2 and most recently the ipad3.
>
> I have just taken delivery of the iPad Mini and will also be receiving
> the
> iPad4 to compare, however, already am pretty much sold on the form
> factor of the Mini. Its just the right set of compromising for me. not
> to small to make it pointless, not to large to make it heavy and
> unpleasant to carry around, but, enough screen to make browsing that
> bit easier than on the iPhone, and, not a battery drain on the iPhone
> at the same time. Then there's the point of all three of the papers I
> read daily are all only available as full editions when viewed using the
iPad App.
>
> So this is a spot on size for me, portable, light weight, surprisingly
> so, thin, and just right.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Neil Barnfather
>
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an
> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all
> your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit
> www.talknav.com
>
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>
> On 2 Nov 2012, at 11:36, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
>> Hi Ramy,
>>
>> One would buy an iPad Mini for the same reason why one would buy a
>> regular iPad or an iPod Touch and that is as a companion device for
>> your iPhone. In the end it completely comes down to whether you can
>> afford to buy a second device and find it useful to have a second
>> device. One positive point is that I woul

Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread Russ Kiehne
Likewise, I'm tempted to get the Mini.  I'm trying to deside if I want to 
pay the 130 price difference between the 5th generation ipod touch 32gb or 
the ipad mini 32gb.  I was hoping Apple would have had a lower price on the 
Mini.  You can get a Nexus 7 32gb tablet for $250.00.


-Original Message- 
From: Eric SS

Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 5:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

Rick, I had been considering the Mini as a means of cancelling telephone
service and just using Google Voice or Skype for the very occasional calls I
make. I had ordered the WIFI and cellular device. I wish the Touch came in a
cellular version because it just seems the added screen size of even the
Mini is wasted for those of us with no sight.

In the meantime, I changed my Verizon plan, which now gives me unlimited
talk time. While I do make few calls, they do tend to be lengthy. How did
someone who doesn't like talking on the phone end up with friends who use it
so much?

So, I decided I would cancel my Mini order. It was interesting that I had
placed my order within the first 2 hours of Apple taking orders, and I was
told the WIFI/cellular would ship mid November, when I looked at the ship
date at cancellation it was November 23.

All of that might be of no interest, but what I will be curious to see from
you guys who got the Mini, the totally blind users, what advantages are you
seeing to having it and an IPhone? I have not discounted getting one, but I
did think I would wait until I at least got to hold one before ordering.

Thanks for comments on how you see yourself using the Mini along with your
phone and maybe why a WIFI Mini has advantages over a WIFI Touch.

The best!

Eric


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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread Scott Davert
First, thank you for the replies about the lackof vibration in the new
iPads. I was sure that was the case, but thought I'd double check.
As for the discussion about the iPad mini, I wasn't aware there were
iBooks available only on the iPad. That seems rather silly to me.
Sure, the iPad has a bigger screen, but what's the point of making
content like that not available on the iPhone/iPod? Even if there are
animated things in some of the material, I'd think an iPhone 4s or 5
could handle that easily enough.

Scott

On 11/3/12, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> Likewise, I'm tempted to get the Mini.  I'm trying to deside if I want to
> pay the 130 price difference between the 5th generation ipod touch 32gb or
> the ipad mini 32gb.  I was hoping Apple would have had a lower price on the
>
> Mini.  You can get a Nexus 7 32gb tablet for $250.00.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric SS
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 5:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
>
> Rick, I had been considering the Mini as a means of cancelling telephone
> service and just using Google Voice or Skype for the very occasional calls
> I
> make. I had ordered the WIFI and cellular device. I wish the Touch came in
> a
> cellular version because it just seems the added screen size of even the
> Mini is wasted for those of us with no sight.
>
> In the meantime, I changed my Verizon plan, which now gives me unlimited
> talk time. While I do make few calls, they do tend to be lengthy. How did
> someone who doesn't like talking on the phone end up with friends who use
> it
> so much?
>
> So, I decided I would cancel my Mini order. It was interesting that I had
> placed my order within the first 2 hours of Apple taking orders, and I was
> told the WIFI/cellular would ship mid November, when I looked at the ship
> date at cancellation it was November 23.
>
> All of that might be of no interest, but what I will be curious to see from
> you guys who got the Mini, the totally blind users, what advantages are you
> seeing to having it and an IPhone? I have not discounted getting one, but I
> did think I would wait until I at least got to hold one before ordering.
>
> Thanks for comments on how you see yourself using the Mini along with your
> phone and maybe why a WIFI Mini has advantages over a WIFI Touch.
>
> The best!
>
> Eric
>
>
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Rick,

Now of course the retort is that 7.9in is more than enough for any human, male 
or female, and 9.7in is a waste, no matter how you look at it.


Regards,

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On 3 Nov 2012, at 12:17, Rick Alfaro  wrote:

> Neal,
> 
> I have to share with you what my wife who currently has an ipad 2 said when
> she got her hands on my ipad Mini.
> 
> First she of course said it was "cute".
> Then she said you need to swap with me and take my Ipad 2 instead of this
> one because it's more manly and size matters.
> (lol)
> 
> It was priceless.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 7:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
> 
> OK, I'll try and cover all questions in one hit:
> 
> None of the iPad's, inc the latest 4th generation and Mini have vibration
> functionality.
> 
> The mini has containers as with the larger iPad versions.
> 
> I personally can quite comfortably and easily hold the iPad Mini in portrait
> rotation, with the device between my thumb on one side and four remaining
> fingers the other side. Leaving one hand completely free to touch / type.
> 
> It should be noted that this is how Phil Schillinger, Apple's product chap,
> demonstrated it during the press conference introducing iPad Mini.
> 
> iBooks is another good case for the iPad, good point well made.
> 
> The iPad Mini also has, and I'm not quite sure how important this is, but,
> also has stereo speakers for use when in portrait orientation, of course,
> would have made more sense in landscape, but, never mind.
> 
> I think my wife best summed up the iPad Mini with the following comment. We
> currently own two iPad's, both 3rd generation, bought in March. I was
> thinking of getting a third new one this time, as our children use them a
> lot too. When I showed her the Mini her response was, oh, yes, that looks
> nice, I assume I'll be getting one as well? This from a none tech embracing
> sort, said it all to me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> On 2 Nov 2012, at 14:06, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Neil, I had not heard there is an Ipad 4 available or soon to be 
>> available.  Could you please give more info or send a link along to 
>> read about the Ipad 4?  We are getting ready to update and would be 
>> interested to hear about a 4.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Lynda
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 8:36 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
>> 
>> Sieghard,
>> 
>> Absolutely, for me I was somewhat shocked at just how perfect this size
> is.
>> To me the iPod Touch makes no sense at all, I already have an iPhone.
>> 
>> So I've bought and used happily the iPad1, 2 and most recently the ipad3.
>> 
>> I have just taken delivery of the iPad Mini and will also be receiving 
>> the
>> iPad4 to compare, however, already am pretty much sold on the form 
>> factor of the Mini. Its just the right set of compromising for me. not 
>> to small to make it pointless, not to large to make it heavy and 
>> unpleasant to carry around, but, enough screen to make browsing that 
>> bit easier than on the iPhone, and, not a battery drain on the iPhone 
>> at the same time. Then there's the point of all three of the papers I 
>> read daily are all only available as full editions when viewed using the
> iPad App.
>> 
>> So this is a spot on size for me, portable, light weight, surprisingly 
>> so, thin, and just right.
>> 
>> 

Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Scott,

Its not about processor power, its all about the layout area, people like their 
books to look nice, to be presented as they desired them to look.

There's just no way that a lot of books look right, or certainly how the author 
intended, when displayed on a 3.5in / 4in screen.

so the issue is not technological, its pure and simple realostaste.


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On 3 Nov 2012, at 18:09, Scott Divert  wrote:

> First, thank you for the replies about the lackof vibration in the new
> iPads. I was sure that was the case, but thought I'd double check.
> As for the discussion about the iPad mini, I wasn't aware there were
> iBooks available only on the iPad. That seems rather silly to me.
> Sure, the iPad has a bigger screen, but what's the point of making
> content like that not available on the iPhone/iPod? Even if there are
> animated things in some of the material, I'd think an iPhone 4s or 5
> could handle that easily enough.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 11/3/12, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>> Likewise, I'm tempted to get the Mini.  I'm trying to decide if I want to
>> pay the 130 price difference between the 5th generation ipod touch 32gb or
>> the ipad mini 32gb.  I was hoping Apple would have had a lower price on the
>> 
>> Mini.  You can get a Nexus 7 32gb tablet for $250.00.
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Eric SS
>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 5:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
>> 
>> Rick, I had been considering the Mini as a means of cancelling telephone
>> service and just using Google Voice or Skype for the very occasional calls
>> I
>> make. I had ordered the WIFI and cellular device. I wish the Touch came in
>> a
>> cellular version because it just seems the added screen size of even the
>> Mini is wasted for those of us with no sight.
>> 
>> In the meantime, I changed my Verizon plan, which now gives me unlimited
>> talk time. While I do make few calls, they do tend to be lengthy. How did
>> someone who doesn't like talking on the phone end up with friends who use
>> it
>> so much?
>> 
>> So, I decided I would cancel my Mini order. It was interesting that I had
>> placed my order within the first 2 hours of Apple taking orders, and I was
>> told the WIFI/cellular would ship mid November, when I looked at the ship
>> date at cancellation it was November 23.
>> 
>> All of that might be of no interest, but what I will be curious to see from
>> you guys who got the Mini, the totally blind users, what advantages are you
>> seeing to having it and an IPhone? I have not discounted getting one, but I
>> did think I would wait until I at least got to hold one before ordering.
>> 
>> Thanks for comments on how you see yourself using the Mini along with your
>> phone and maybe why a WIFI Mini has advantages over a WIFI Touch.
>> 
>> The best!
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
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RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Rob,

Yes, there is a big price difference between an iPad Mini and a Nexus 7 inch
tablet, but it is not exactly like comparing "Apples to Apples" pun
intended.

The iPad Mini screen in area is a third larger even though on the diagonal
it's only 7 inches to 7.9 inches, this is one thing they really emphasized
during the keynote. On the other hand the Nexus has a better screen
resolution since the iPad Mini is only 1024 by 768. I strongly believe,
however, that Apple will release an updated iPad Mini within 6 or so months
which will have a retina screen. Of course this is just a prediction, but
given the fact that they updated the big iPad twice this year and that now
all their iDevices except for the iPad 2 which is still around and the iPad
Mini are retina including their 13 and 15 inch Macbook Pros I wouldn't be
surprised if that was coming fairly soon.

Lastly, there is of course that little issue of accessibility for everybody
on this list and while you can buy an Android tablet for a lot less, you can
also get a bunch of Android phones for a lot less, but I still wouldn't want
to go back to the 18th accessibility century. OK, I know some people
disagree with that, so please do so off-list.


Regards,
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread denise avant
how is the responsiveness of voiceover? And how is the speaker volume?

On Nov 2, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Sieghard,
> 
> Absolutely, for me I was somewhat shocked at just how perfect this size is… 
> To me the iPod Touch makes no sense at all, I already have an iPhone.
> 
> So I've bought and used happily the iPad1, 2 and most recently the ipad3.
> 
> I have just taken delivery of the iPad Mini and will also be receiving the 
> iPad4 to compare, however, already am pretty much sold on the form factor of 
> the Mini. Its just the right set of compromising for me… not to small to make 
> it pointless, not to large to make it heavy and unpleasant to carry around, 
> but, enough screen to make browsing that bit easier than on the iPhone, and, 
> not a battery drain on the iPhone at the same time. Then there's the point of 
> all three of the papers I read daily are all only available as full editions 
> when viewed using the iPad App.
> 
> So this is a spot on size for me, portable, light weight, surprisingly so, 
> thin, and just right.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
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> On 2 Nov 2012, at 11:36, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ramy,
>> 
>> One would buy an iPad Mini for the same reason why one would buy a regular
>> iPad or an iPod Touch and that is as a companion device for your iPhone. In
>> the end it completely comes down to whether you can afford to buy a second
>> device and find it useful to have a second device. One positive point is
>> that I wouldn't have to charge my iPhone as often because when I am at home
>> I could use an iPod Touch, iPad or iPad Mini to listen to music or a book or
>> use apps. Some also find the large screen of an iPad useful and with the
>> iPad Mini being siginificantly larger than an iPod Touch but noticeably
>> smaller than the 10 inch iPad, it's a good compromise.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread Chris
As for me I may be able to listen to audio on the go. This I could do 
with the iPhone but it's not the best for some types particularly music, 
and frankly I don't want to use external speakers or headphones all the 
time.

 Hallsworth

On 03/11/2012 11:28, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

These r really great news
But may I ask, if I have an I phone, why will I buy the ipad mini?


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Subject: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

Hi All,

My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all
over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality,
despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is
Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared to
my iPad3.

This is definitely one to be kept.

speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and as
a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.


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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-03 Thread Chris

Very good, can't wait to get one if and when I do.


Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/11/2012 10:15, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

Hi All,

My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has the all 
over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality, despite 
its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference is Unbelievable, 
I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels compared to my iPad3.

This is definitely one to be kept…

speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance and as a 
blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor.


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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-04 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
On the iPad Mini I find it plenty loud enough, it has two speakers, running in 
stereo, and I watched a movie on it the other day, very good indeed.


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On 3 Nov 2012, at 22:30, denise avant  wrote:

> how is the responsiveness of voiceover? And how is the speaker volume?
> 
> On Nov 2, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
> wrote:
> 
>> Sieghard,
>> 
>> Absolutely, for me I was somewhat shocked at just how perfect this size is… 
>> To me the iPod Touch makes no sense at all, I already have an iPhone.
>> 
>> So I've bought and used happily the iPad1, 2 and most recently the ipad3.
>> 
>> I have just taken delivery of the iPad Mini and will also be receiving the 
>> iPad4 to compare, however, already am pretty much sold on the form factor of 
>> the Mini. Its just the right set of compromising for me… not to small to 
>> make it pointless, not to large to make it heavy and unpleasant to carry 
>> around, but, enough screen to make browsing that bit easier than on the 
>> iPhone, and, not a battery drain on the iPhone at the same time. Then 
>> there's the point of all three of the papers I read daily are all only 
>> available as full editions when viewed using the iPad App.
>> 
>> So this is a spot on size for me, portable, light weight, surprisingly so, 
>> thin, and just right.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
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>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible 
>> phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> On 2 Nov 2012, at 11:36, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ramy,
>>> 
>>> One would buy an iPad Mini for the same reason why one would buy a regular
>>> iPad or an iPod Touch and that is as a companion device for your iPhone. In
>>> the end it completely comes down to whether you can afford to buy a second
>>> device and find it useful to have a second device. One positive point is
>>> that I wouldn't have to charge my iPhone as often because when I am at home
>>> I could use an iPod Touch, iPad or iPad Mini to listen to music or a book or
>>> use apps. Some also find the large screen of an iPad useful and with the
>>> iPad Mini being siginificantly larger than an iPod Touch but noticeably
>>> smaller than the 10 inch iPad, it's a good compromise.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
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RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-04 Thread Rick Alfaro
Eric,

My intended uses for the Mini are the following.

1.  Reading and replying to email, something that I find somewhat tedious on
my 4s.  On the Mini just as the regular ipad, you have containers so when
using it for mail, it is very similar to what you would see in Outlook, or
Outlook Express in that you have a list of messages on one part of the
screen with the message content on another part so it's a split interface.
I find this interface much more pleasant to use.  This means I can now use
the Mini anywhere in the house for mail without having to spend hours a day
in front of my computer.

2.  The Mini has very pleasant sounding speakers so it's great for listening
to podcasts.  For me, it's a nicer experience than on the phone.  
The speakers aren't' terribly loud, but certainly loud enough.

For me the Mini is really a consumption device for podcasts, books, both
audio and non-audio.  This would also hold true for the iPod but with the
added benefit of a larger screen and more reading area.  Surfing on the Mini
is really nice.  I suggest you check one out before purchasing an iPod to
see if it suits your usage patterns.  Personally, I don't like wearing
headphones which is another reason why I like the Mini with its built-in
speakers.

Best,

Rick



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Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

Rick, I had been considering the Mini as a means of cancelling telephone
service and just using Google Voice or Skype for the very occasional calls I
make. I had ordered the WIFI and cellular device. I wish the Touch came in a
cellular version because it just seems the added screen size of even the
Mini is wasted for those of us with no sight.

In the meantime, I changed my Verizon plan, which now gives me unlimited
talk time. While I do make few calls, they do tend to be lengthy. How did
someone who doesn't like talking on the phone end up with friends who use it
so much?

So, I decided I would cancel my Mini order. It was interesting that I had
placed my order within the first 2 hours of Apple taking orders, and I was
told the WIFI/cellular would ship mid November, when I looked at the ship
date at cancellation it was November 23.

All of that might be of no interest, but what I will be curious to see from
you guys who got the Mini, the totally blind users, what advantages are you
seeing to having it and an IPhone? I have not discounted getting one, but I
did think I would wait until I at least got to hold one before ordering.

Thanks for comments on how you see yourself using the Mini along with your
phone and maybe why a WIFI Mini has advantages over a WIFI Touch.

The best!

Eric


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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-04 Thread Lynda Ingraham
Hi neil, how do you think the sound of the mini compares to that of the ipad 3? 
I am hearing impaired. It is becoming more difficult to understand bookshare 
books on my phone.  Thank you lynda

Sent from lynda's iPhone

On Nov 4, 2012, at 11:47 AM, "Rick Alfaro"  wrote:

> Eric,
> 
> My intended uses for the Mini are the following.
> 
> 1.  Reading and replying to email, something that I find somewhat tedious on
> my 4s.  On the Mini just as the regular ipad, you have containers so when
> using it for mail, it is very similar to what you would see in Outlook, or
> Outlook Express in that you have a list of messages on one part of the
> screen with the message content on another part so it's a split interface.
> I find this interface much more pleasant to use.  This means I can now use
> the Mini anywhere in the house for mail without having to spend hours a day
> in front of my computer.
> 
> 2.  The Mini has very pleasant sounding speakers so it's great for listening
> to podcasts.  For me, it's a nicer experience than on the phone.  
> The speakers aren't' terribly loud, but certainly loud enough.
> 
> For me the Mini is really a consumption device for podcasts, books, both
> audio and non-audio.  This would also hold true for the iPod but with the
> added benefit of a larger screen and more reading area.  Surfing on the Mini
> is really nice.  I suggest you check one out before purchasing an iPod to
> see if it suits your usage patterns.  Personally, I don't like wearing
> headphones which is another reason why I like the Mini with its built-in
> speakers.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Eric SS
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
> 
> Rick, I had been considering the Mini as a means of cancelling telephone
> service and just using Google Voice or Skype for the very occasional calls I
> make. I had ordered the WIFI and cellular device. I wish the Touch came in a
> cellular version because it just seems the added screen size of even the
> Mini is wasted for those of us with no sight.
> 
> In the meantime, I changed my Verizon plan, which now gives me unlimited
> talk time. While I do make few calls, they do tend to be lengthy. How did
> someone who doesn't like talking on the phone end up with friends who use it
> so much?
> 
> So, I decided I would cancel my Mini order. It was interesting that I had
> placed my order within the first 2 hours of Apple taking orders, and I was
> told the WIFI/cellular would ship mid November, when I looked at the ship
> date at cancellation it was November 23.
> 
> All of that might be of no interest, but what I will be curious to see from
> you guys who got the Mini, the totally blind users, what advantages are you
> seeing to having it and an IPhone? I have not discounted getting one, but I
> did think I would wait until I at least got to hold one before ordering.
> 
> Thanks for comments on how you see yourself using the Mini along with your
> phone and maybe why a WIFI Mini has advantages over a WIFI Touch.
> 
> The best!
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2012-11-14 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Linda,

I actually find, given that the iPad Mini has two speakers, that it can go 
quite loud indeed. Since there is a risk free trial on all Apple products I'd 
suggest if you think you might like a Mini to buy one.



Regards,

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On 5 Nov 2012, at 04:32, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:

> Hi neil, how do you think the sound of the mini compares to that of the ipad 
> 3? I am hearing impaired. It is becoming more difficult to understand 
> bookshare books on my phone.  Thank you lynda
> 
> Sent from lynda's iPhone
> 
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 11:47 AM, "Rick Alfaro"  wrote:
> 
>> Eric,
>> 
>> My intended uses for the Mini are the following.
>> 
>> 1.  Reading and replying to email, something that I find somewhat tedious on
>> my 4s.  On the Mini just as the regular ipad, you have containers so when
>> using it for mail, it is very similar to what you would see in Outlook, or
>> Outlook Express in that you have a list of messages on one part of the
>> screen with the message content on another part so it's a split interface.
>> I find this interface much more pleasant to use.  This means I can now use
>> the Mini anywhere in the house for mail without having to spend hours a day
>> in front of my computer.
>> 
>> 2.  The Mini has very pleasant sounding speakers so it's great for listening
>> to podcasts.  For me, it's a nicer experience than on the phone.  
>> The speakers aren't' terribly loud, but certainly loud enough.
>> 
>> For me the Mini is really a consumption device for podcasts, books, both
>> audio and non-audio.  This would also hold true for the iPod but with the
>> added benefit of a larger screen and more reading area.  Surfing on the Mini
>> is really nice.  I suggest you check one out before purchasing an iPod to
>> see if it suits your usage patterns.  Personally, I don't like wearing
>> headphones which is another reason why I like the Mini with its built-in
>> speakers.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Eric SS
>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions
>> 
>> Rick, I had been considering the Mini as a means of cancelling telephone
>> service and just using Google Voice or Skype for the very occasional calls I
>> make. I had ordered the WIFI and cellular device. I wish the Touch came in a
>> cellular version because it just seems the added screen size of even the
>> Mini is wasted for those of us with no sight.
>> 
>> In the meantime, I changed my Verizon plan, which now gives me unlimited
>> talk time. While I do make few calls, they do tend to be lengthy. How did
>> someone who doesn't like talking on the phone end up with friends who use it
>> so much?
>> 
>> So, I decided I would cancel my Mini order. It was interesting that I had
>> placed my order within the first 2 hours of Apple taking orders, and I was
>> told the WIFI/cellular would ship mid November, when I looked at the ship
>> date at cancellation it was November 23.
>> 
>> All of that might be of no interest, but what I will be curious to see from
>> you guys who got the Mini, the totally blind users, what advantages are you
>> seeing to having it and an IPhone? I have not discounted getting one, but I
>> did think I would wait until I at least got to hold one before ordering.
>> 
>> Thanks for comments on how you see yourself using the Mini along with your
>> phone and maybe why a WIFI Mini has advantages over a WIFI Touch.
>> 
>> The best!
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> 
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Re: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions

2013-01-03 Thread Bill Malyszka
Hi,

I just got an iPad 4 for Christmas and love it. You mention the Economist 
on the iPad. I am an avid reader and the iPhone version was pretty 
accessible, but I find the iPad version almost inaccessible entirely. I can 
navigate the table of contents and enter articles with no problem but 
VoiceOver won't read the text of the article. It will read the title and 
tagline plus "next page" and "previous page" buttons. No article text 
though. Am I nuts or do I have to start complaining?

I notice the NY Times update that came out today took away that problem for 
me on the iPad. Kudos.

Cheers,

...b

On Friday, November 2, 2012 9:56:32 AM UTC-4, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
wrote:
>
> The Telegraph that I read daily has the full edition on the iPad only, not 
> on the iPhone. 
>
> likewise; New York Times, The Times (UK), The Economist, The Financial 
> Times etc. These are all only available as full content, as if you had the 
> actual paper in your hands, on the iPad not the iPhone. 
>
> They all offer cut down material for the iPhone, but, not every article, 
> every element. 
>
>
> Regards, 
>
> Neil Barnfather 
>
> Talks List Administrator 
> Twitter @neilbarnfather 
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your 
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com 
>
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> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199 
>
> On 2 Nov 2012, at 13:45, Kawal Gucukoglu > 
> wrote: 
>
> > What kind of Apps Neil? I mean what different Apps are for the I Pad? 
> > 
> > Kawal. 
> > 
> > On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <
> for...@talknav.com > wrote: 
> > 
> >> for me, it is my consumption device, I use it to watch TV programs and 
> movies, that would otherwise drain my iPhone battery… In addition, and this 
> is a big thing for me, there are certain Apps only available for iPad and 
> not iPhone. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Regards, 
> >> 
> >> Neil Barnfather 
> >> 
> >> Talks List Administrator 
> >> Twitter @neilbarnfather 
> >> 
> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your 
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com 
> >> 
> >> URL: - www.talknav.com 
> >> e-mail: - ser...@talknav.com  
> >> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199 
> >> 
> >> On 3 Nov 2012, at 11:28, Ramy Moustafa 
> >> > 
> wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> These r really great news 
> >>> But may I ask, if I have an I phone, why will I buy the ipad mini? 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Cheers: 
> >>> Ramy Moustafa 
> >>> If music be the food of love... play on. 
> >>> Mobile: 
> >>> 0020102221750 
> >>> Personal email: 
> >>> ramy.mo...@gmail.com  
> >>> Msn and aim messengers: 
> >>> flute...@link.net  
> >>> Studio email: 
> >>> harmonys...@gmail.com  
> >>> facebook profile: 
> >>> http://www.facebook.com/ 
> >>> Twitter: 
> >>> mousta...@gmail.com  
> >>> youtube chanael: 
> >>> www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber 
> >>> -Original Message- 
> >>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> vip...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> >>> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
> >>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:15 PM 
> >>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com ; The Accessible Phones 
> Discussion List 
> >>> Subject: iPad Mini has arrived - first impressions 
> >>> 
> >>> Hi All, 
> >>> 
> >>> My iPad Mini has arrived, initial impressions are very good, it has 
> the all 
> >>> over smooth gloss finish as the iPad 2 and 3 have, the build quality, 
> >>> despite its overall finness is solid and rigid. The weight difference 
> is 
> >>> Unbelievable, I am totally amazed at how much lighter this feels 
> compared to 
> >>> my iPad3. 
> >>> 
> >>> This is definitely one to be kept. 
> >>> 
> >>> speed is nippy, no difference so far in Discernible iPad3 performance 
> and as 
> >>> a blind user I'm very much in favour of the smaller form factor. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Regards, 
> >>> 
> >>&g