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On twitter: The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi. I bought the KNFB reader and I think it is excellent! I am using an iPhone 5 with IOS 7 because I haven't upgraded yet. I thought Prizmo met my needs but the KNFB reader works much better, and it has a file structure for saving documents. I was put off by the price but the KNFB readers delivers. Thanks. Judy --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi all, A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did work quite well on the 4S. Today I go to use it and find it's not working. Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work with a 4S, please? Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place! Carol P -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi all, I also will be purchasing the knfb reader hear soon and from what I've been reading on this list about it, I'm sure I'm going to love it. But I'll be purchasing it for the it's normal price of $99 and I think it will be well worth it. Take care. Lori and the Gipper -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi all, For financial reasons, all of which are good, I am considering purchasing the KNFB Reader. But I'm going to most likely use it only to recognize inaccessible electronic documents such as PDF. Will this app fit the bill for me? See I get sighted help to read my mail anyway so probably won't use it for that. No rush but any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi all I finally bit the bullet and purchased the KNFB Reader iOS app. It's definitely easier to use compared to Prizmo yet more powerful. I like the tilt guidance and field of view report features. That's all for now but for £50.00 it was a bargain compared to £70.00. That's $74.99 U.S. compared to $99.99 U.S. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi all Changed subject and started a new thread. While the KNFB Reader came out on or shortly after iOS 8 day, it took me till Christmas to get it. I was patient like anybody else. I thought Christmas was the right time to get it plus it was on sale at about half price. I'm going to try and have a go with it today or over the weekend to get the codes for my various gift cards I received as presents yesterday. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I tried exporting my scanned document to dropbox and it kept taking me back to the previous screen. I chose plain text for the file type. What could be wrong? If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I just got a note from a friend who tole me the $49.95 price will be gone by tomorrow. Patti -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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After the knfb reader reads you a text, how do you get it to delete the text so you can scan another document? Thank you for your assistance. Connie Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I just wanted to let the list know that there is a KNFB reader update now. A couple of things I’ve noticed is you can now share a scanned document via message, and email. Also, the file explorer has been change. The action function works the same as it does in other apps such as mail,messages, etc. There is now an option to save as text, rich text, and html. There may be other improvements, but that’s what I have found so far. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Dear Friends, Does KNFB reader offer trial in any way? I am aware that Apple does not allow any demo etc. but any inovative method? Please do enlighten me as in India the cost is too high. With best wishes, Ketan -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi, all, Just a comment on the KNFB reader system: I have used the KNFB reader from the beginning with the Nokia and have always been amazed with what it can do. On the iPhone, I just followed the prompts during installation, and when it asked to make adjustments to my camera and flash, I just let it do its thing. I am also now carrying my phone in a wallet type case and still get excellent response. I was doing some computer work today during which JAWS went silent on me. I had to power down to get it back. As the computer was doing all of that, I took a couple of pictures with KNFB reader to see what was happening and had absolutely no trouble at all. I generally get reasonable reads from it, and if I don't, I can usually just about tell what I did wrong in taking the picture. I generally don't use the preview feature and never have, and have always found this software extremely useful, though I have had friends who just could not manage aiming the camera for a reasonable response. It may be that I am helped by having been able to read print at one time, using the optacon for reading and for formatting my transcription work. You will often find me in the "big Chair", holding a letter or something and the iPhone to take a quick picture of something I need to read quickly. Otherwise, I sit down with my Read EZ Move for a more thorough reading. Being retired, I have had time to be patient with learning how to use this tool, but I don't know what I would do without it. I would say, no matter what, keep trying. I never mess with the flash or anything. I just point and take my picture. Good luck to all. I love to learn new things except when I need someone to see what is going on on a computer screen and wat is happening when I am not getting a response. Sending our best, Diane in Napa, Ca. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi everyone! I would like to ask you some questions about KNFB Reader. I know that this topic has been discussed many times here. I want to know if KNFB needs internet when a text has to be scanned (if it needs some data from a server etc.). Can you read the scanned texts with a braille display immediately after the scanning? I want to thank you for your help. You can share your experience with the app with me. Best regards, Olya Sendt fra min iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, hold the phone in your hand and take the picture. At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote: I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit. Thanks for the info /Krister Skickat från min iPhone 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com>: Krista, Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting good results. Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not agree that it is impossible for people who don't see it all because many of us do you have success. I am sure we would all share out tips and tricks with you. but, from personal experience, having someone with you who can see what you are doing is a very good way to get started. also, when I first started out with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad before it worked for me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader just worked out of the box in my case. feel free to ask for ideas, Sandy sent from the dark side of the moon On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom <<mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. /Krister Skickat från min iPhone 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com>: Hi Gordon, I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more accurate!!) I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, have achieved equal results, having never seen! Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to be actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods which one can follow and which don't need judgement or too much spacial awareness. Just my twopence worth. Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson <<mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com>annefromo...@gmail.com> wrote: Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference
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Their was an update to the KNFB reader today. Before this updte, when I opened the app using an IPhone 6s it crashed and went back to the home screen. I am happy to report that this has een fixed and the app works fine now. -- The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Are there any good tutorials for beginners for KNFB Reader? Thank you. John J. Fioravanti, Jr. -- The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Has anyone heard anything concerning this app and iOS10? -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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KNFB is not opening since my update to 12.1. is it possible that I may need to delete and reinstall it? character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you! *** -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Since the 12 update has anyone else had a problem getting knfb to open and stay open? character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you! *** -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi, the other day I noticed that the KNFB reader announced that the lense cover was covered. I don’t know how that happened but, now, after rebooting the App, it stopped. Also, the voice changedI know how to change that but, where do you have other information announced such as the lenxe cover being covered? Thank you. Andy and Shubert Andrew J. LaPointe Co-Chairman Salem Commission on Disabilities President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging 34 Raymond Ave. Salem, MA. 01970 Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I have been playing with settings of all kinds with the KNFB reader. I am using the latest IOS with the 6s but, I, for the Love of me cannot get the automatic feature to work. I have the phone on the stand, the lense cover is not covered and I am certain that there is text visibleThe option is changed from manual to automatic but, nothing happens. I have no problem with tapping on take picture. I know this works but, I just don’t know what else to try. Is there something possible in accessibility in General that needs to be turned on? Thank you in advance if you can take the time to suggest a solution. Andy and Shubert Andrew J. LaPointe Co-Chairman Salem Commission on Disabilities President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging 34 Raymond Ave. Salem, MA. 01970 Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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When I attempt to open it it immediately closes. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site: Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here. http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" wrote: > > On twitter: > The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full > compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: knfb reader
Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying, Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site: Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here. http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com> > wrote: On twitter: The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: knfb reader
At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. Thanks, Ari > On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait > with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. > KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on > the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if > they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the > public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just > saying, > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site: > Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have > announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being > scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating > system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release > here. > http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf > > > > > > > > > > "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" wrote: > > On twitter: > The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full > compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a
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To me, the tip off was when they said it works with ios7 and above. Don - Original Message - From: Gmail To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" Date: Friday, August 29, 2014 2:47 pm Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held > some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. > > > Thanks, > Ari > > > On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > > > Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait > > with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. > > KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on > > the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, > > if they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the > > public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just > > saying, > > > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > > Of Richard Turner > > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > > I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site: > > Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec > > have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is > > being scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 > > operating system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read > > full release here. > > http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." -- Victor > > Hugo > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" wrote: > > > > On twitter: > > The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full > > compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "VIPhone" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "VIPhone" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@g
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I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or about the 10th. Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be released to developers right after the presentation. That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th. One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail wrote: > At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held > some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. > > > Thanks, > Ari > > On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > >> Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait >> with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. >> KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on >> the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if >> they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the >> public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just >> saying, >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> OfRichard Turner >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site: >> Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec >> have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being >> scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating >> system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release >> here. >> http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" wrote: >> >> On twitter: >> The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full >> compatibility with new API's.http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >> directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list >> can be searched athttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email toviph...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >> directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list >> can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email toviph...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >&g
RE: knfb reader
Hi Jonathan, Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be announced on the 9th as well. Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S with iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they should just say so. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or about the 10th. Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be released to developers right after the presentation. That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th. One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote: At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. Thanks, Ari On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> siegh...@live.ca> wrote: Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying, Regards, Sieghard From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRichard Turner Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site: Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here. <http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf> http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" < <mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com> trea.a...@gmail.com> wrote: On twitter: The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full compatibility with new API's. <http://knfbreader.com/> http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone> http://groups.google.
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Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer. I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and the extraordinary. I’m waiting to learn about actual end user experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app. Kelly On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > > > > Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public > on > Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I > guess > we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a > 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with > the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may > be announced on the 9th as well. > > > > Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to > actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these > under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, > but > that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S > with > iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which > case they should just say so. > > > > > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Jonathan Mosen > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > > I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or > about the 10th. > > Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and > they > have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be > released to developers right after the presentation. > > That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they > would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself > is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th. > > One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some > of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the > camera. > > Jonathan Mosen > > Mosen Consulting > > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > > http://Mosen.org > > > > On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail <mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually > held > some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Ari > > > On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait > with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. > KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on > the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, > if > they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the > public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just > saying, > > > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > > > From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf > OfRichard Turner > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM > To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > > I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site: > >
Re: knfb reader
For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer. I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and the extraordinary. I’m waiting to learn about actual end user experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app. Kelly On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Jonathan, Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be announced on the 9th as well. Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S with iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they should just say so. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or about the 10th. Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be released to developers right after the presentation. That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th. One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote: At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. Thanks, Ari On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> siegh...@live.ca> wrote: Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying, Regards, Sieghard From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRichard Turner Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM To: <mail
RE: knfb reader
If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they should be around. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer. I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and the extraordinary. I’m waiting to learn about actual end user experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app. Kelly On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > > > > Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public > on > Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I > guess > we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a > 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with > the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch > may > be announced on the 9th as well. > > > > Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to > actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these > under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, > but > that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S > with > iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which > case they should just say so. > > > > > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Jonathan Mosen > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > > I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or > about the 10th. > > Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and > they > have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will > be > released to developers right after the presentation. > > That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they > would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS > itself > is released about a week lat
Re: knfb reader
Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone? Andy and Shubert
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader
Hi Jonathan,
Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess
we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5
inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the
larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be
announced on the 9th as well.
Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually
protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the
hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that
certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with iOS 7
unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they
should just say so.
Regards,
Sieghard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader
I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
about the 10th.
Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be
released to developers right after the presentation.
That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would
have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is
released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.
One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of
the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org
On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail wrote:
At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.
Thanks,
Ari
On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait
with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB
had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the
various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they
release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it
hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying,
Regards,
Sieghard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfRichard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader
I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:
Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec
have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system,
expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here.
http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf
"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor
Hugo
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" wrote:
On twitter:
The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full
compatibility with new API's.http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone
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RE: knfb reader
Yes, but you won’t get the Alex voice and perhaps some other things that we won’t really know until Apple does their big announcement. Alex will only be on the newer 64 bit devices, like the 5S and the models of iPad that are 64 bit. Richard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone? Andy and Shubert From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: knfb reader Hi Jonathan, Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be announced on the 9th as well. Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they should just say so. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or about the 10th. Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be released to developers right after the presentation. That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th. One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote: At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. Thanks, Ari On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> siegh...@live.ca> wrote: Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying, Regards, Sieghard From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRichard Turner Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site: Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here. <http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf> http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" < <mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com> trea.a...@gmail.com> wrote: On twitter: The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full compatibility with new API's. <http://knfbreader.com/> http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member&#
Re: knfb reader
I think before I shell out that kind of money, I'll wait to see what you and others have to say after you've had the chance to spend some quality time with it. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:25 AM Subject: RE: knfb reader If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they should be around. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer. I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and the extraordinary. I’m waiting to learn about actual end user experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app. Kelly On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Jonathan, Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be announced on the 9th as well. Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S with iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they should just say so. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM To: viphone@google
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I know my iPad Air is 64 bit along with my 5s so I should be in good shape. Can anybody recommend a a good air printer? I'm leaning toward a multi functional printer but it has to be air print capable. And, what about accessibility? Does anybody have one and can shed some light on the topic of air printers? Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Richard Turner To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:51 AM Subject: RE: knfb reader Yes, but you won’t get the Alex voice and perhaps some other things that we won’t really know until Apple does their big announcement. Alex will only be on the newer 64 bit devices, like the 5S and the models of iPad that are 64 bit. Richard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone? Andy and Shubert From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader Hi Jonathan, Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be announced on the 9th as well. Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they should just say so. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or about the 10th. Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be released to developers right after the presentation. That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th. One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail wrote: At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. Thanks, Ari On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying, Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRichard Turner Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site: Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read
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Hi Sieghard. Do you know if danish is one of the supported languages. I thing I will invest the money, but unfortunately we do not have a back to school sale in Denmark. Best regards Annie. Den 30/08/2014 kl. 18.25 skrev Sieghard Weitzel : > If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as > advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the > list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to > $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the > Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up > and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that > KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might > use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. > For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is > definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at > least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back > to school they should be around. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Alan Paganelli > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways > to Sunday. > > > Regards, > > Alan > > Go Chicago Bears in 2014! > > Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! > Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. > > Please click on: > HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on > the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my > website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelly Pierce" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at > WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the > NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the > release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app > right after release, don't upgrade properly, and then complain about > the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage > folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a > marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on > vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This > weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is > learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer. > > I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and > needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, > causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly > meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it > slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and > the extraordinary. I'm waiting to learn about actual end user > experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people > KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app. > > Kelly > > > > > On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> Hi Jonathan, >> >> >> >> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public >> on >> Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I >> guess >> we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a >> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with >> the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch >> may >> be announced on the 9th as well. >> >> >> >> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to >> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these >> under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, >> but >> that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S >> with >> iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which >> case they should just say so. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Sieghard >> &g
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Hi Sieghard. I tend to agree with you in that it's a lame excuse but it is what it is. Hopefully it will be worth the wait and price. Personally, I'll be waiting a while to see what others report. Right now, I'm chomping at the bit for an iWatch that will hopefully have a decent sounding speaker and work with VO and Siri. Best regards, Rick Alfaro From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader Hi Jonathan, Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be announced on the 9th as well. Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S with iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they should just say so. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or about the 10th. Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be released to developers right after the presentation. That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th. One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote: At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. Thanks, Ari On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> siegh...@live.ca> wrote: Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying, Regards, Sieghard From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRichard Turner Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site: Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here. <http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf> http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" < <mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com> trea.a...@gmail.com> wrote: On twitter: The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full compatibility with new API's. <http://knfbreader.com/> http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at <http://ww
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Sorry, I have not looked for a list of supported languages, but in their demo they did say it should launch in quite a few countries right from the start. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Hi Sieghard. Do you know if danish is one of the supported languages. I thing I will invest the money, but unfortunately we do not have a back to school sale in Denmark. Best regards Annie. Den 30/08/2014 kl. 18.25 skrev Sieghard Weitzel : > If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they should be around. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Alan Paganelli > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 > ways to Sunday. > > > Regards, > > Alan > > Go Chicago Bears in 2014! > > Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! > Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. > > Please click on: > HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances > played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format > formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Kelly Pierce" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at > WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the > NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the > release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app > right after release, don't upgrade properly, and then complain about > the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage > folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a > marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on > vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This > weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is > learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer. > > I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and > needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, > causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly > meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it > slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and > the extraordinary. I'm waiting to learn about actual end user > experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people > KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app. > > Kelly > > > > > On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> Hi Jonathan, >> >> >> >> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the >> public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday >> the 19th. I guess we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there >> will be a 4.7 inch and a >> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now >> with the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an >> iWatch may be announced on the 9th as well. >> >> >> >> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to >> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with >> these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 >> even better, but that certainly is n
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Hi Alan. I have 2 AirPlay compatible printers, one is an HP multi-function inkjet, and the other is an HP LaserJet 1102w. They both work very well but I use the LaserJet more often because it’s cheaper per page and I don’t care about color, just good print. The multi-function is still a very cool printer because besides printing, you can also scan wirelessly so you can place the printer where ever you want after it’s been configured without having to worry about anything except having an AC outlet for the printer. The LaserJet 1102w was $90 at the time on Amazon. The HP multi-function believe it or not was $39 on a Black Friday deal last year. Best regards, Rick Alfaro From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 1:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I know my iPad Air is 64 bit along with my 5s so I should be in good shape. Can anybody recommend a a good air printer? I'm leaning toward a multi functional printer but it has to be air print capable. And, what about accessibility? Does anybody have one and can shed some light on the topic of air printers? Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Richard Turner <mailto:rich...@turner42.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:51 AM Subject: RE: knfb reader Yes, but you won’t get the Alex voice and perhaps some other things that we won’t really know until Apple does their big announcement. Alex will only be on the newer 64 bit devices, like the 5S and the models of iPad that are 64 bit. Richard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone? Andy and Shubert From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: knfb reader Hi Jonathan, Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be announced on the 9th as well. Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they should just say so. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or about the 10th. Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be released to developers right after the presentation. That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th. One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote: At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. Thanks, Ari On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> siegh...@live.ca> wrote: Well, that’s one w
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Danish is listed in the announcement I just forwarded to the list about TechTalk on September 8. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Hi Sieghard. Do you know if danish is one of the supported languages. I thing I will invest the money, but unfortunately we do not have a back to school sale in Denmark. Best regards Annie. Den 30/08/2014 kl. 18.25 skrev Sieghard Weitzel : > If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they should be around. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways > to Sunday. > > > Regards, > > Alan > > Go Chicago Bears in 2014! > > Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! > Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. > > Please click on: > HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on > the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my > website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelly Pierce" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at > WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the > NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the > release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app > right after release, don't upgrade properly, and then complain about > the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage > folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a > marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on > vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This > weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is > learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer. > > I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and > needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, > causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly > meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it > slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and > the extraordinary. I'm waiting to learn about actual end user > experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people > KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app. > > Kelly > > > > > On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> Hi Jonathan, >> >> >> >> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public >> on >> Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I >> guess >> we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a >> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with >> the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch >> may >> be announced on the 9th as well. >> >> >> >> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to >> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these >> under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, >> but >> that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S &
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I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app does this effectively. I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised product functionality. Kelly On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as > advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the > list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to > $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of > the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that > up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to > that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I > might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it > with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free > hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get > this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift > card. With back to school they should be around. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Alan Paganelli > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways > > to Sunday. > > > Regards, > > Alan > > Go Chicago Bears in 2014! > > Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! > Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. > > Please click on: > HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on > the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my > > website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelly Pierce" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at > WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the > NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the > release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app > right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about > the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage > folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a > marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on > vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This > weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is > learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer. > > I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and > needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, > causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly > meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it > slice brea
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Thanks for this Rick! I can start looking at them then. I think I would feel
more comfortable going to a store to see them rather then to order one online
sight unseen.
Regards,
Alan
Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move
out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my
website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening!
- Original Message -
From: Rick Alfaro
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: knfb reader
Hi Alan.
I have 2 AirPlay compatible printers, one is an HP multi-function inkjet, and
the other is an HP LaserJet 1102w. They both work very well but I use the
LaserJet more often because it’s cheaper per page and I don’t care about color,
just good print.
The multi-function is still a very cool printer because besides printing, you
can also scan wirelessly so you can place the printer where ever you want after
it’s been configured without having to worry about anything except having an AC
outlet for the printer. The LaserJet 1102w was $90 at the time on Amazon. The
HP multi-function believe it or not was $39 on a Black Friday deal last year.
Best regards,
Rick Alfaro
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader
I know my iPad Air is 64 bit along with my 5s so I should be in good shape.
Can anybody recommend a a good air printer? I'm leaning toward a multi
functional printer but it has to be air print capable. And, what about
accessibility? Does anybody have one and can shed some light on the topic of
air printers?
Regards,
Alan
Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now!
Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my
website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening!
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: knfb reader
Yes, but you won’t get the Alex voice and perhaps some other things that we
won’t really know until Apple does their big announcement.
Alex will only be on the newer 64 bit devices, like the 5S and the models
of iPad that are 64 bit.
Richard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader
Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone? Andy and Shubert
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader
Hi Jonathan,
Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess
we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5
inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the
larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be
announced on the 9th as well.
Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but
that certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case
they should just say so.
Regards,
Sieghard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader
I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
about the 10th.
Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and
they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will
be released to developers right after the presentation.
That gives developers a few days to find ab
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No one should compare free hand scanning with a flatbed scanner. That is like comparing apples and oranges. However, if one uses a stand for the iPhone like either the Giraffe Reader or the Standscan, then you can get equal results with Prizmo as with a flatbed scanner; i.e. 100 percent accuracy if the printed document is extremely good. The true comparison will come when someone uses Prizmo or TextGrabber and the KNFB Reader app free hand. JMO, Richard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app does this effectively. I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised product functionality. Kelly On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as > advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the > list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to > $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of > the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that > up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to > that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I > might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it > with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free > hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get > this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift > card. With back to school they should be around. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Alan Paganelli > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways > > to Sunday. > > > Regards, > > Alan > > Go Chicago Bears in 2014! > > Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! > Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. > > Please click on: > HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on > the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my > > website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelly Pierce" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at > WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the > NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the > release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app > right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about > the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage &g
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Hi Richard. Thank you for the information. I have looked at their site, it looks interesting. Do you know if braille is supported? It ought to be, but when using AT&T, speech it could be without braille support. Best regards Annie. Den 30/08/2014 kl. 20.32 skrev Richard Turner : > No one should compare free hand scanning with a flatbed scanner. That is > like comparing apples and oranges. > However, if one uses a stand for the iPhone like either the Giraffe Reader or > the Standscan, then you can get equal results with Prizmo as with a flatbed > scanner; i.e. 100 percent accuracy if the printed document is extremely good. > > The true comparison will come when someone uses Prizmo or TextGrabber and the > KNFB Reader app free hand. > > JMO, > Richard > > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Kelly Pierce > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:21 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality > flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 > inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera > millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit > with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. > Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 > degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone > being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that > are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 > times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and > reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. > The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than > that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised > at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has > been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance > of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external > lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many > other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app > does this effectively. > > I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more > information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said > the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, > it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 > series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed > that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough > performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised > product functionality. > > Kelly > > > > > On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as >> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the >> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to >> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of >> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that >> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to >> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I >> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it >> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free >> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get >> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift >> card. With back to school they should be around. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Alan Paganelli >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways >> >> to Sunday. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan >> >> Go Chicago Bears in 2014! >> >> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! >> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >> >> Please click on: >> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on >> the Yamaha Tyros
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as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from Mich. - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app does this effectively. I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised product functionality. Kelly On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they should be around. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer. I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, causing us to speculate n
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Yes, the camera is not good enough. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: > > as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the > presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are > right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am > not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from > Mich. > - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality > flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 > inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera > millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit > with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. > Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 > degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone > being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that > are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 > times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and > reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. > The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than > that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised > at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has > been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance > of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external > lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many > other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app > does this effectively. > > I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more > information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said > the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, > it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 > series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed > that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough > performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised > product functionality. > > Kelly > > > > >> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as >> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the >> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to >> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of >> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that >> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to >> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I >> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it >> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free >> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get >> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift >> card. With back to school they should be around. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Alan Paganelli >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways >> >> to Sunday. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan >> >> Go Chicago Bears in 2014! >> >> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! >> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >> >> Please click on: >> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on >> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my >> >> website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kelly Pierce" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> >> Given all of the many
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The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader would not work on the iPhone 4S. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Yes, the camera is not good enough. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: > > as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the > presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are > right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am > not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from > Mich. > - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality > flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 > inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera > millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit > with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. > Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 > degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone > being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that > are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 > times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and > reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. > The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than > that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised > at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has > been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance > of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external > lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many > other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app > does this effectively. > > I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more > information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said > the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, > it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 > series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed > that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough > performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised > product functionality. > > Kelly > > > > >> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as >> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the >> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to >> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of >> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that >> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to >> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I >> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it >> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free >> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get >> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift >> card. With back to school they should be around. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Alan Paganelli >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways >> >> to Sunday. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan >> >> Go Chicago Bears in 2014! >> >> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! >> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >> >> Please click on: >> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances p
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Slower processor, less ram, slower internal bus for data throughput, and so forth. They were going to support the 4s. That changed after testing. Means, app is very processor intensive. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Aug 2014, at 17:09, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different > from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader > would not work on the iPhone 4S. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > David Chittenden > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > Yes, the camera is not good enough. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: >> >> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the >> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are >> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am >> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from >> Mich. >> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> >> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality >> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 >> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera >> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit >> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. >> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 >> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone >> being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that >> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 >> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and >> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. >> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than >> that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised >> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has >> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance >> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external >> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many >> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app >> does this effectively. >> >> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more >> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said >> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, >> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 >> series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed >> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough >> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised >> product functionality. >> >> Kelly >> >> >> >> >>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as >>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the >>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to >>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of >>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that >>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to >>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I >>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it >>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free >>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get >>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift >>> card. With back to school they should be around. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>&g
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I guess I tend to take what people and companies say at face value. I guess I also don't see what the value is in spending energy dissecting what a company says and speculating what's really going on behind the scenes. Whether a company announces in July that a product will be released at the end of August or whether they announce in August it'll be coming out in mid-September, it'll still be coming out when it comes out. From my experience, upgrades are quite tricky and hard to test. Who knows what API changes Apple is making from IOS 7 to IOS 8 and what code paths KNFB has in it to work well on both versions. Sure, KNFB can be testing upgrades now with the beta of IOS 8, but how many combinations of models, memory, other applications and so on can they test. It makes sense to me that they'd wait until IOS 8 comes out. This gives them more time to test and it means a lot of people will be upgrading to IOS 8 before installing KNFB, eliminating a lot of potential problems. I seem to recall a handful of apps had trouble transitioning from IOS 6 to IOS 7. Companies are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Didn't we have a discussion on this list after IOS 7 came out that Apple should have held it off a bit to get more testing in and fix more accessibility bugs? Apple places a lot on their big events, so they're not going to slip a IOS release, unless it's a major dead on arrival kind of a bug. KNFB seems like they're willing to take a hit a bit on postponing their release, which by the way means delaying their revenue stream, and maybe they're doing this to get a better and more stable product out the door. I'm willing to wait a few weeks if it means dealing with fewer issues. I'm sure KNFB didn't make this decision lightly, and I'm sure they had some very smart people looking at some numbers and making a very tough decision. On 08/30/2014 12:37 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote: Hi Sieghard. I tend to agree with you in that it's a lame excuse but it is what it is. Hopefully it will be worth the wait and price. Personally, I'll be waiting a while to see what others report. Right now, I'm chomping at the bit for an iWatch that will hopefully have a decent sounding speaker and work with VO and Siri. Best regards, Rick Alfaro *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel *Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: knfb reader Hi Jonathan, Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19^th . I guess we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be announced on the 9^th as well. Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S with iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they should just say so. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen *Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: knfb reader I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or about the 10th. Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be released to developers right after the presentation. That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th. One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com>> wrote: At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. Thanks, Ari On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had access to iOS
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This goes back to what I posted yesterday. I understand that they are hooking into certain iOS 8 API features, some of which are not supported by the 4S. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 31/08/2014, at 5:09 pm, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different > from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader > would not work on the iPhone 4S. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > David Chittenden > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > Yes, the camera is not good enough. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: >> >> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the >> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are >> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am >> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from >> Mich. >> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> >> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality >> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 >> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera >> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit >> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. >> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 >> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone >> being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that >> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 >> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and >> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. >> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than >> that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised >> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has >> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance >> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external >> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many >> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app >> does this effectively. >> >> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more >> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said >> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, >> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 >> series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed >> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough >> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised >> product functionality. >> >> Kelly >> >> >> >> >>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as >>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the >>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to >>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of >>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that >>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to >>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I >>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it >>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free >>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get >>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift >>> card. With back to school they should be around. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Alan Paganelli >>> Sent: Saturd
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Hi, I read that the reader will work with the 4s but with less accuracy I believe it will work and I am hoping that with much ease than with Prizmo and text detector. Andy and Shubert. I have to wait for another year to upgrade to the 5s. It ill be a year on the 15th of September that I got this 4s. I wish I waited a bit longer. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader would not work on the iPhone 4S. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Yes, the camera is not good enough. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from Mich. - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app does this effectively. I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised product functionality. Kelly On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they should be around. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are s
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My understanding is that it isn't just the megapiels. A lot has to do with the actual sensor - how much light it can pick up, how wide the field is, and so on. Then, even more depends on post-capture processing by the phone's graphics processor. The 4S has pretty weak graphics processing compared to the 5 and later, and its sensor is just not as good. I'm sure there are articles online that go into way more detail, but that's the basic idea, again as I understand it. On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe wrote: > Hi, I read that the reader will work with the 4s but with less accuracy I > believe it will work and I am hoping that with much ease than with Prizmo and > text detector. Andy and Shubert. > I have to wait for another year to upgrade to the 5s. It ill be a year on > the 15th of September that I got this 4s. I wish I waited a bit longer. > > -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:09 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: knfb reader > > The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different > from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader > would not work on the iPhone 4S. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > David Chittenden > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > Yes, the camera is not good enough. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: >> >> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the >> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are >> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am >> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from >> Mich. >> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> >> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality >> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 >> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera >> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit >> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. >> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 >> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone >> being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that >> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 >> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and >> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. >> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than >> that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised >> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has >> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance >> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external >> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many >> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app >> does this effectively. >> >> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more >> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said >> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, >> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 >> series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed >> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough >> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised >> product functionality. >> >> Kelly >> >> >> >> >>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as >>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the >>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to >>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of >>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that >>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and c
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So does this mean KNFB Reader will require iOS 8 to run? Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:30 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader This goes back to what I posted yesterday. I understand that they are hooking into certain iOS 8 API features, some of which are not supported by the 4S. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 31/08/2014, at 5:09 pm, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader would not work on the iPhone 4S. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Yes, the camera is not good enough. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from Mich. - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app does this effectively. I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised product functionality. Kelly On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they should be around. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances pla
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Well, another reason to update my 4S which has a flaky home button, just have to figure out how to get there. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:30 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader This goes back to what I posted yesterday. I understand that they are hooking into certain iOS 8 API features, some of which are not supported by the 4S. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 31/08/2014, at 5:09 pm, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader would not work on the iPhone 4S. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Yes, the camera is not good enough. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from Mich. - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app does this effectively. I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised product functionality. Kelly On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they should be around. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and
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Or they have the option of buying the Blaze EZ from HIMS for $750.00. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they should be around. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer. I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and the extraordinary. I’m waiting to learn about actual end user experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app. Kelly On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Jonathan, Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be announced on the 9th as well. Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S with iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they should just say so. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or about the 10th. Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be released to developers right after the presentation. That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.
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No, from what I've read, iOS7 will be supported. However, iOS8 offers finer control over the camera, so it wouldn't surprise me to see iOS8 devices getting better results. That's pure speculation on my part, though. On Aug 31, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly wrote: > So does this mean KNFB Reader will require iOS 8 to run? > > Alan Lemly > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Jonathan Mosen > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:30 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > This goes back to what I posted yesterday. I understand that they are hooking > into certain iOS 8 API features, some of which are not supported by the 4S. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org > > On 31/08/2014, at 5:09 pm, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > > The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different > from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader > would not work on the iPhone 4S. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > David Chittenden > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > Yes, the camera is not good enough. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: > > as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the > presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are > right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am > not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from > Mich. > - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality > flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 > inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera > millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit > with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. > Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 > degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone > being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that > are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 > times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and > reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. > The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than > that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised > at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has > been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance > of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external > lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many > other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app > does this effectively. > > I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more > information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said > the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, > it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 > series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed > that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough > performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised > product functionality. > > Kelly > > > > > > On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as > advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the > list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to > $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of > the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that > up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to > that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I > might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it > with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free > hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get > this
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And those of us who don't have an iphone and have an Ipod touch 5th generation will not be able to use it. -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from Mich. - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app does this effectively. I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised product functionality. Kelly On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they should be around. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The
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Hi, Does anyone have the presentation that was given yesterday at the nfb live site? I wasn't able to attend it. thanks, Ben Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:52 AM, "Russ Kiehne" wrote: > > And those of us who don't have an iphone and have an Ipod touch 5th > generation will not be able to use it. > > -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:28 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the > presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are > right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am > not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from > Mich. > - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality > flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 > inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera > millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit > with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. > Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 > degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone > being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that > are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 > times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and > reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. > The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than > that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised > at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has > been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance > of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external > lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many > other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app > does this effectively. > > I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more > information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said > the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, > it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 > series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed > that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough > performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised > product functionality. > > Kelly > > > > >> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as >> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the >> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to >> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of >> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that >> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to >> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I >> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it >> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free >> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get >> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift >> card. With back to school they should be around. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Alan Paganelli >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways >> >> to Sunday. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan >> >> Go Chicago Bears in 2014! >> >> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! >> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >> >> Please click on: >> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on >> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my >>
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I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera. The 5s has an 8.5 megapixel camera. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM Subject: RE: knfb reader The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader would not work on the iPhone 4S. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Yes, the camera is not good enough. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from Mich. - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app does this effectively. I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised product functionality. Kelly On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they should be around. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on:
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When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the 4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones. With a camera that preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming obvious. The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead of a 5S. Being locked into last year’s technology will be costlier later when future upgrade costs are considered compared to buying the current version now and upgrading less frequently. Kelly On 8/31/14, Alan Paganelli wrote: > I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera. The 5s has an 8.5 > megapixel camera. > > > Regards, > > Alan > > Go Chicago Bears in 2014! > > Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! > Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. > > Please click on: > HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on > the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my > > website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! > > - Original Message - > From: "Sieghard Weitzel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM > Subject: RE: knfb reader > > > The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different > from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader > would not work on the iPhone 4S. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of David Chittenden > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > Yes, the camera is not good enough. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: >> >> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the >> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you >> are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure >> >> I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this >> app. from Mich. >> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> >> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality >> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 >> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera >> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit >> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. >> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 >> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone >> being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that >> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 >> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and >> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. >> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than >> that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised >> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has >> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance >> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external >> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many >> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app >> does this effectively. >> >> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more >> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said >> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, >> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 >> series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed >> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough >> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised >> prod
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Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade to replace it. Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 for the KNFB Reader. If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi Alan, The iPhone 3GS had a 3 MP camera, the iPhone 4 had a 5 MP and the iPhone 4S, 5, 5C and 5S all have an 8 MP camera. It is correct, however, that the same 8 MP camera on the 5S is better than that on the 4S or 5 since the sensor has larger pixels and it has the 2-tone flash which yields better results in low light. And yes, I can see how the processing of the image is best on a 5S and better on a 5 or 5C than it is on the 4S and of course it will yet be better on the various iPhone 6 models which besides getting the A8 chip most likely will feature a 13 MP camera. I am not sure where you get the 8.5 Megapixel number, not that 8 MP or 8.5 MP would mnake a big difference, but here is part of a description of the 5S eyesight camera followed by the link to the entire article: The new iSight camera on iPhone 5s builds on the iPhone 5 camera in ways that make a real difference to your photos. It captures beautiful images at 8 megapixels. What makes them beautiful is a redesigned camera sensor that allows for bigger pixels. Bigger pixels equal better photos. And better photos are precisely what inspired the advancements we made with the new iSight camera on iPhone 5s. Larger sensor. Larger pixels. Larger aperture. Light is one of the most important factors in getting a great photo. Not just how well your subject is lit, but how sensitive your camera’s sensor is to light. Here’s how it works: A camera’s sensor — and the pixels on it — collect light. The larger the sensor and the larger the pixels, the more light is collected. And that translates to better, brighter images with truer colours and less noise. https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-5s/camera Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera. The 5s has an 8.5 megapixel camera. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM Subject: RE: knfb reader The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader would not work on the iPhone 4S. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Yes, the camera is not good enough. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: > > as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the > presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you > are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure > I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this > app. from Mich. > - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality > flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 > inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera > millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit > with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. > Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 > degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone > being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that > are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 > times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and > reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. > The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than > that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised > at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has > been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance > of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external > lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspec
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Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones. Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a hassle. As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk. Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade to replace it. Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 for the KNFB Reader. If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi Rose, So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we were talking about recumbent trikes last year. Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe. If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com or call or text at 480 381 2311 Sincerely, Chuck Dean *Chuck* On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs wrote: > Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when > one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have > earphones. Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get > there without a hassle. As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to > my elbows trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not > junk. > Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just > never did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when > my scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of > that fixed now. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Chuck Dean > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my > upgrade to replace it. > Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another > $99 for the KNFB Reader. > If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone > list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you > have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you > feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives > for this list can be searched at > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone > list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you > have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you > feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives > for this list can be searched at > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/qmOGwQbOeZQ/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi Rose, I remember you from the days of GENIE. I often remember you talking of your husband. I am so sorry to read of his passing. You’re still working? oh well, so am I. Take care, Andy From: Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM To: V Iphone list Subject: Re: knfb reader Hi Rose, So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we were talking about recumbent trikes last year. Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe. If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com or call or text at 480 381 2311 Sincerely, Chuck Dean Chuck On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs wrote: Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones. Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a hassle. As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk. Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade to replace it. Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 for the KNFB Reader. If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/qmOGwQbOeZQ/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itsel
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Oops sorry for the off topic. I thought this was a privet email when I replied. Chuck > > -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if it hasn't come out yet. It goes in one ear and out the other because human beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss me out! Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the 4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones. With a camera that preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming obvious. The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead of a 5S. Being locked into last year’s technology will be costlier later when future upgrade costs are considered compared to buying the current version now and upgrading less frequently. Kelly On 8/31/14, Alan Paganelli wrote: I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera. The 5s has an 8.5 megapixel camera. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM Subject: RE: knfb reader The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader would not work on the iPhone 4S. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Yes, the camera is not good enough. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from Mich. - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many other people. I would like to read signs as I trave
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I thought you were going to use another word other then darn that would have better described it! LOL! Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:33 PM Subject: RE: knfb reader Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones. Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a hassle. As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk. Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade to replace it. Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 for the KNFB Reader. If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: knfb reader
Oops! Did not mean for that to go list-wide. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM To: V Iphone list Subject: Re: knfb reader Hi Rose, So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we were talking about recumbent trikes last year. Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe. If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com or call or text at 480 381 2311 Sincerely, Chuck Dean Chuck On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs wrote: Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones. Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a hassle. As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk. Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade to replace it. Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 for the KNFB Reader. If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/qmOGwQbOeZQ/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-ar
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I am still in Scottsdale, my job is in Scottsdale and it is somedays the only reason I can get out of bed, LOL. Right now we are going through a lot of stuff, bikes, tools and I still have that trike we talked about earlier, it is running although it suffered a couple of minor accidents during his last several weeks so fenders are cracked… I plan to sell it maybe in winter to someone who winters here and would like it to get about in a RV community or something. My one cousin is in a hurry, I am not, if it goes it does. If not, well, financially I am okay, not over the top but okay. Have at least two if not three tandems, none in new shape but usable, one with a motor in its back wheel. All with baskets to carry stuff in. My nephew and cousin-in-law know more of the particulars than I do but two of them I know could be ridden last fall. The recumbent trike may be a hard sell and I know I won’t get half of what he paid for it in June 2013. Everyone says it is cute but … Since I am not planning on selling the house soon, I am not in a huge hurry to get rid of things, if they find good homes fine, if not, eventually well time will tell. This week it is time to replace the back portion of the fence, a must since the one out there is falling down. Cousin-in-law and son are doing it. After that I have plumbing issues that will have to be addressed, loads of them in a 50-year-old house, then … I have no clue. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM To: V Iphone list Subject: Re: knfb reader Hi Rose, So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we were talking about recumbent trikes last year. Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe. If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com or call or text at 480 381 2311 Sincerely, Chuck Dean Chuck On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs wrote: Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones. Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a hassle. As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk. Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade to replace it. Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 for the KNFB Reader. If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/qmOGwQbOeZQ/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to vip
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Tom had a very prolonged illness from 2009 to 2014. He passed May 30, and it is good to know he is not in pain any longer but he surely is missed. He had necrosis of the pancreas they think from a whooping cough shot he got only a couple of days before he became ill. Since then I have seen loads of cases with the same reaction, something they did to the formula I gather. I am still working, still in medical transcription, started my 39th year at the hospital in August. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Hi Rose, I remember you from the days of GENIE. I often remember you talking of your husband. I am so sorry to read of his passing. You’re still working? oh well, so am I. Take care, Andy From: Chuck Dean <mailto:cadean...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM To: V Iphone list <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: knfb reader Hi Rose, So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we were talking about recumbent trikes last year. Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe. If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com or call or text at 480 381 2311 Sincerely, Chuck Dean Chuck On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs wrote: Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones. Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a hassle. As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk. Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade to replace it. Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 for the KNFB Reader. If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/qmOGwQbOeZQ/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone&
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Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be for me. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if it hasn't come out yet. It goes in one ear and out the other because human beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss me out! Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the 4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones. With a camera that preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming obvious. The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead of a 5S. Being locked into last year’s technology will be costlier later when future upgrade costs are considered compared to buying the current version now and upgrading less frequently. Kelly On 8/31/14, Alan Paganelli wrote: > I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera. The 5s has an 8.5 > megapixel camera. > > > Regards, > > Alan > > Go Chicago Bears in 2014! > > Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! > Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. > > Please click on: > HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played > on > the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on > my > > website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! > > - Original Message - > From: "Sieghard Weitzel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM > Subject: RE: knfb reader > > > The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different > from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader > would not work on the iPhone 4S. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of David Chittenden > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > Yes, the camera is not good enough. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: >> >> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the >> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you >> are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am >> sure >> >> I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this >> app. from Mich. >> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> >> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality >> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 >> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera >> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit >> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. >> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 >> degrees from
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Yes, your quite correct my friend. It's my sons new Android phone he got which has an 8.5 megapixel camera. He spent 30 or 40 minutes bragging about it to me but you know how 23 yearolds are. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: RE: knfb reader Hi Alan, The iPhone 3GS had a 3 MP camera, the iPhone 4 had a 5 MP and the iPhone 4S, 5, 5C and 5S all have an 8 MP camera. It is correct, however, that the same 8 MP camera on the 5S is better than that on the 4S or 5 since the sensor has larger pixels and it has the 2-tone flash which yields better results in low light. And yes, I can see how the processing of the image is best on a 5S and better on a 5 or 5C than it is on the 4S and of course it will yet be better on the various iPhone 6 models which besides getting the A8 chip most likely will feature a 13 MP camera. I am not sure where you get the 8.5 Megapixel number, not that 8 MP or 8.5 MP would mnake a big difference, but here is part of a description of the 5S eyesight camera followed by the link to the entire article: The new iSight camera on iPhone 5s builds on the iPhone 5 camera in ways that make a real difference to your photos. It captures beautiful images at 8 megapixels. What makes them beautiful is a redesigned camera sensor that allows for bigger pixels. Bigger pixels equal better photos. And better photos are precisely what inspired the advancements we made with the new iSight camera on iPhone 5s. Larger sensor. Larger pixels. Larger aperture. Light is one of the most important factors in getting a great photo. Not just how well your subject is lit, but how sensitive your camera’s sensor is to light. Here’s how it works: A camera’s sensor — and the pixels on it — collect light. The larger the sensor and the larger the pixels, the more light is collected. And that translates to better, brighter images with truer colours and less noise. https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-5s/camera Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera. The 5s has an 8.5 megapixel camera. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM Subject: RE: knfb reader The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader would not work on the iPhone 4S. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Yes, the camera is not good enough. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from Mich. - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone being held in
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If all else being equal, I would advise holding off for the iPhone 6. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:16 AM Subject: RE: knfb reader Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be for me. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if it hasn't come out yet. It goes in one ear and out the other because human beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss me out! Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the 4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones. With a camera that preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming obvious. The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead of a 5S. Being locked into last year’s technology will be costlier later when future upgrade costs are considered compared to buying the current version now and upgrading less frequently. Kelly On 8/31/14, Alan Paganelli wrote: I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera. The 5s has an 8.5 megapixel camera. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM Subject: RE: knfb reader The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader would not work on the iPhone 4S. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Yes, the camera is not good enough. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier wrote: as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from Mich. - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 inches above it does
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That makes sense, I think apple is introducing new camera apis with version 8 On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Trea Abma wrote: > On twitter: > The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full > compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hello Rose. This is Vicki Howell, or Miss Vicki, and I am truly sorry about your loss. I hope that you can get all of the help that you need. I wish that I was there, I would definitely help you. If you need to talk, or if I can help in any way, please don’t hesitate to get in touch with me. You can ask Robert Lewis for my number, or I will put it on the line. Again, so sorry for your loss. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader I am still in Scottsdale, my job is in Scottsdale and it is somedays the only reason I can get out of bed, LOL. Right now we are going through a lot of stuff, bikes, tools and I still have that trike we talked about earlier, it is running although it suffered a couple of minor accidents during his last several weeks so fenders are cracked… I plan to sell it maybe in winter to someone who winters here and would like it to get about in a RV community or something. My one cousin is in a hurry, I am not, if it goes it does. If not, well, financially I am okay, not over the top but okay. Have at least two if not three tandems, none in new shape but usable, one with a motor in its back wheel. All with baskets to carry stuff in. My nephew and cousin-in-law know more of the particulars than I do but two of them I know could be ridden last fall. The recumbent trike may be a hard sell and I know I won’t get half of what he paid for it in June 2013. Everyone says it is cute but … Since I am not planning on selling the house soon, I am not in a huge hurry to get rid of things, if they find good homes fine, if not, eventually well time will tell. This week it is time to replace the back portion of the fence, a must since the one out there is falling down. Cousin-in-law and son are doing it. After that I have plumbing issues that will have to be addressed, loads of them in a 50-year-old house, then … I have no clue. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM To: V Iphone list Subject: Re: knfb reader Hi Rose, So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we were talking about recumbent trikes last year. Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe. If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com <mailto:cadean...@gmail.com> or call or text at 480 381 2311 Sincerely, Chuck Dean Chuck On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com> > wrote: Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones. Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a hassle. As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk. Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: knfb reader Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade to replace it. Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 for the KNFB Reader. If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information i
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You can work around a broken home button quite easily. Turn on Assistive Touch in Settings, General, Accessibility. This puts a button on the screen which is called "Assistive Touch Menu". I believe by default it is at the top left of the screen, but you can move it around. My wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a broken home button and that is what we did. We moved it to the bottom of the screen just above where the physical home button is. Now if you want to do anything that involves the home button, e.g. exit an app, double tap it to bring up the app switcher, hold it to activate SIRI, you can do all of this from the assistive touch menu. Double tap the button and you get the following options: SIRI FaVorites DeVice Home SIRI of course will activate SIRI. The Favorites option is something we haven't used, it allows you to add custom gestures. Device has the following options: Lock screen Rotate Screen More Back Volume Down Volume Up The "More button" in the Device option is where you want to go to bring up the App Switcher, it is called "Multi-Tasking". Apart from that in that menu you find options to take a screenshot which normally you do by pressing the power and home buttons together and there are a couple other things in there. It's a bit cumbersome if, for example, you want to bring up the app switcher since you would have to double tap the assistive touch menu, then double tap on Device, then on More and then on Multi Tasking. But it's a solution which allows you to use a device which otherwise would be useless. I took the iPod /Touch to an Apple Store and was told that they can't repair a home button on an iPod Touch although I believe they can repair or replace it on an iPhone. This iPod Touch is only a year and a half old and the only alternatives the guy at the Apple Store gave me was to give me a replacement for $150 which is not all that bad since it's a 32 Gig Fifth Gen iPod Touch, but since it works perfectly well apart from the home button I didn't want to do that just now also because I had it engraved at the time and we would lose that. Maybe once the new iPads are announced in October I'll sell it and buy an iPad Mini or maybe there will even be a sixth Generation iPod Touch this fall which will be worthwhile considering. Apple also told me I could always trade it in and by doing so get a 10% discount on whatever other device I would buy. Regards, Sieghard other at this point it doesn'better than I agr , you can -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be for me. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if it hasn't come out yet. It goes in one ear and out the other because human beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss me out! Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the 4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones. With a camera that preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming obvious. The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead of a 5S. Being locke
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Thank you, coping as best I can, some days okay, others not so good. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Howell Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 7:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader Hello Rose. This is Vicki Howell, or Miss Vicki, and I am truly sorry about your loss. I hope that you can get all of the help that you need. I wish that I was there, I would definitely help you. If you need to talk, or if I can help in any way, please don’t hesitate to get in touch with me. You can ask Robert Lewis for my number, or I will put it on the line. Again, so sorry for your loss. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader I am still in Scottsdale, my job is in Scottsdale and it is somedays the only reason I can get out of bed, LOL. Right now we are going through a lot of stuff, bikes, tools and I still have that trike we talked about earlier, it is running although it suffered a couple of minor accidents during his last several weeks so fenders are cracked… I plan to sell it maybe in winter to someone who winters here and would like it to get about in a RV community or something. My one cousin is in a hurry, I am not, if it goes it does. If not, well, financially I am okay, not over the top but okay. Have at least two if not three tandems, none in new shape but usable, one with a motor in its back wheel. All with baskets to carry stuff in. My nephew and cousin-in-law know more of the particulars than I do but two of them I know could be ridden last fall. The recumbent trike may be a hard sell and I know I won’t get half of what he paid for it in June 2013. Everyone says it is cute but … Since I am not planning on selling the house soon, I am not in a huge hurry to get rid of things, if they find good homes fine, if not, eventually well time will tell. This week it is time to replace the back portion of the fence, a must since the one out there is falling down. Cousin-in-law and son are doing it. After that I have plumbing issues that will have to be addressed, loads of them in a 50-year-old house, then … I have no clue. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM To: V Iphone list Subject: Re: knfb reader Hi Rose, So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we were talking about recumbent trikes last year. Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe. If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com or call or text at 480 381 2311 Sincerely, Chuck Dean Chuck On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs wrote: Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones. Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a hassle. As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk. Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade to replace it. Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 for the KNFB Reader. If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is import
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It does not work well with Voice-over to my experience but, so far I am managing, hopefully in a month or so I can do more about it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:27 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader You can work around a broken home button quite easily. Turn on Assistive Touch in Settings, General, Accessibility. This puts a button on the screen which is called "Assistive Touch Menu". I believe by default it is at the top left of the screen, but you can move it around. My wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a broken home button and that is what we did. We moved it to the bottom of the screen just above where the physical home button is. Now if you want to do anything that involves the home button, e.g. exit an app, double tap it to bring up the app switcher, hold it to activate SIRI, you can do all of this from the assistive touch menu. Double tap the button and you get the following options: SIRI FaVorites DeVice Home SIRI of course will activate SIRI. The Favorites option is something we haven't used, it allows you to add custom gestures. Device has the following options: Lock screen Rotate Screen More Back Volume Down Volume Up The "More button" in the Device option is where you want to go to bring up the App Switcher, it is called "Multi-Tasking". Apart from that in that menu you find options to take a screenshot which normally you do by pressing the power and home buttons together and there are a couple other things in there. It's a bit cumbersome if, for example, you want to bring up the app switcher since you would have to double tap the assistive touch menu, then double tap on Device, then on More and then on Multi Tasking. But it's a solution which allows you to use a device which otherwise would be useless. I took the iPod /Touch to an Apple Store and was told that they can't repair a home button on an iPod Touch although I believe they can repair or replace it on an iPhone. This iPod Touch is only a year and a half old and the only alternatives the guy at the Apple Store gave me was to give me a replacement for $150 which is not all that bad since it's a 32 Gig Fifth Gen iPod Touch, but since it works perfectly well apart from the home button I didn't want to do that just now also because I had it engraved at the time and we would lose that. Maybe once the new iPads are announced in October I'll sell it and buy an iPad Mini or maybe there will even be a sixth Generation iPod Touch this fall which will be worthwhile considering. Apple also told me I could always trade it in and by doing so get a 10% discount on whatever other device I would buy. Regards, Sieghard other at this point it doesn'better than I agr , you can -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be for me. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if it hasn't come out yet. It goes in one ear and out the other because human beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss me out! Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Pierce" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: Re: knfb reader When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the 4S. Apparently, th
RE: knfb reader
Hi Rose, I have been using my wife's iPod Touch with the Assistive Touch menu for a while now and it works perfectly well in terms of functionality and accessibility. It's not as convenient as pressing, ddouble pressing or pressing and holding the home key, but it beats throwing the thing away. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 5:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader It does not work well with Voice-over to my experience but, so far I am managing, hopefully in a month or so I can do more about it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:27 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader You can work around a broken home button quite easily. Turn on Assistive Touch in Settings, General, Accessibility. This puts a button on the screen which is called "Assistive Touch Menu". I believe by default it is at the top left of the screen, but you can move it around. My wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a broken home button and that is what we did. We moved it to the bottom of the screen just above where the physical home button is. Now if you want to do anything that involves the home button, e.g. exit an app, double tap it to bring up the app switcher, hold it to activate SIRI, you can do all of this from the assistive touch menu. Double tap the button and you get the following options: SIRI FaVorites DeVice Home SIRI of course will activate SIRI. The Favorites option is something we haven't used, it allows you to add custom gestures. Device has the following options: Lock screen Rotate Screen More Back Volume Down Volume Up The "More button" in the Device option is where you want to go to bring up the App Switcher, it is called "Multi-Tasking". Apart from that in that menu you find options to take a screenshot which normally you do by pressing the power and home buttons together and there are a couple other things in there. It's a bit cumbersome if, for example, you want to bring up the app switcher since you would have to double tap the assistive touch menu, then double tap on Device, then on More and then on Multi Tasking. But it's a solution which allows you to use a device which otherwise would be useless. I took the iPod /Touch to an Apple Store and was told that they can't repair a home button on an iPod Touch although I believe they can repair or replace it on an iPhone. This iPod Touch is only a year and a half old and the only alternatives the guy at the Apple Store gave me was to give me a replacement for $150 which is not all that bad since it's a 32 Gig Fifth Gen iPod Touch, but since it works perfectly well apart from the home button I didn't want to do that just now also because I had it engraved at the time and we would lose that. Maybe once the new iPads are announced in October I'll sell it and buy an iPad Mini or maybe there will even be a sixth Generation iPod Touch this fall which will be worthwhile considering. Apple also told me I could always trade it in and by doing so get a 10% discount on whatever other device I would buy. Regards, Sieghard other at this point it doesn'better than I agr , you can -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be for me. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if it hasn't come out yet. It goes in one ear and out the other because human beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss me out! Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still ava
RE: knfb reader
Well I will try and keep my home button working for a few more weeks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 7:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader Hi Rose, I have been using my wife's iPod Touch with the Assistive Touch menu for a while now and it works perfectly well in terms of functionality and accessibility. It's not as convenient as pressing, ddouble pressing or pressing and holding the home key, but it beats throwing the thing away. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 5:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader It does not work well with Voice-over to my experience but, so far I am managing, hopefully in a month or so I can do more about it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:27 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader You can work around a broken home button quite easily. Turn on Assistive Touch in Settings, General, Accessibility. This puts a button on the screen which is called "Assistive Touch Menu". I believe by default it is at the top left of the screen, but you can move it around. My wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a broken home button and that is what we did. We moved it to the bottom of the screen just above where the physical home button is. Now if you want to do anything that involves the home button, e.g. exit an app, double tap it to bring up the app switcher, hold it to activate SIRI, you can do all of this from the assistive touch menu. Double tap the button and you get the following options: SIRI FaVorites DeVice Home SIRI of course will activate SIRI. The Favorites option is something we haven't used, it allows you to add custom gestures. Device has the following options: Lock screen Rotate Screen More Back Volume Down Volume Up The "More button" in the Device option is where you want to go to bring up the App Switcher, it is called "Multi-Tasking". Apart from that in that menu you find options to take a screenshot which normally you do by pressing the power and home buttons together and there are a couple other things in there. It's a bit cumbersome if, for example, you want to bring up the app switcher since you would have to double tap the assistive touch menu, then double tap on Device, then on More and then on Multi Tasking. But it's a solution which allows you to use a device which otherwise would be useless. I took the iPod /Touch to an Apple Store and was told that they can't repair a home button on an iPod Touch although I believe they can repair or replace it on an iPhone. This iPod Touch is only a year and a half old and the only alternatives the guy at the Apple Store gave me was to give me a replacement for $150 which is not all that bad since it's a 32 Gig Fifth Gen iPod Touch, but since it works perfectly well apart from the home button I didn't want to do that just now also because I had it engraved at the time and we would lose that. Maybe once the new iPads are announced in October I'll sell it and buy an iPad Mini or maybe there will even be a sixth Generation iPod Touch this fall which will be worthwhile considering. Apple also told me I could always trade it in and by doing so get a 10% discount on whatever other device I would buy. Regards, Sieghard other at this point it doesn'better than I agr , you can -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: knfb reader Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be for me. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if it hasn't come out yet. It goes in one ear and out the other because human beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss me out! Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a
KNFB Reader Help?
Hey Everyone: I excitedly purchased the KNFB reader app yesterday. However, I seem to be having a lot of trouble with it. I have tried to do several scans but can't seem to get good results. I tried holding the camera sideways. I tried holding it straight up and down. I tried holding it with the camera lens facing down towards the page. I have the tilted guidance setting on. Every once in a while, it will stop vibrating and I will try to take a picture, and sometimes it will kind of read some text but it's very jumbled and while it gets some words it often doesn't make sense. However, I keep reading how so many others are getting great results. Just last week, I was able to witness a demonstration of this app, and it worked great. I don't have much printed material around at the moment, so have been trying to scan a random page from a paperback book. Does lighting make a difference? How do you hold the phone to get the best results? For those who got great results on their first try, what did you do and how did you hold the phone? I even listened to the Applevis podcast. I was just initially so excited about this app when I heard the demonstrations of how well it worked and it's not seeming to work very well for me. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Kerri -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
KNFB Reader demo
The KNFB Reader for iOS is to be released by the end of August. They haven't announced the price yet, but otherwise, people have been impressed by the demonstration. Here is a recording of a demo: https://audioboo.fm/boos/2296348-the-first-demo-of-knfbreader-for-ios-truly-solid -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
KNFB Reader App
It was announced that the KNFB Reader app for the iPhone will cost $99 and will be available by the end of August. Andy I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
KNFB reader support
KNFB reader support is definitely listening to feedback. I've gotten two nice responses to my messages to their list and to support directly. One was about the exporting issue and the other was about only having one TTS voice. They are looking into adding more voices. They would like to know people's preferences. So, if you have the app, and want to encourage them to include particular voices in a future update, write support at: supp...@knfbreader.com Richard "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
knfb reader issue
Hi guys Sometimes when I scam with knfb reader it just comes up with many pages which say page of page count and I keep hitting the back button but it doesn't do anything. Does anyone know why this happens? Thanks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
KNFB reader rocks!
Hi all, I am having lunch at my local sandwich shop. They have a menu mounted on the wall behind the cash register. I took a picture of the menu... Worked pretty well! Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
KNFB reader questions
Hi. KNFB reader is definitely on my Christmas list. I have a couple of questions for those of you who have put it through its paces. 1.Does anyone know the image size the reader will accommodate. I am digitizing my large collection of vinyl record albums and would like to shoot their jackets for info. 2. Has anyone tried shooting pages from a cookbook to see how recipes come out. Thanks. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
KNFB reader question
I bought the KNFB reader and it's a cool app. All was going good until I wanted to export a scanned document to email. I double tapped the file once in edit mode and said to export to a html file. I got the message that "you don't have an app that can handle text files. How do I tell it that EMail can handle text files. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
KNFB Reader Flashlight
Hello, Do you find the flashlight setting useful? I'm not sure whether to enable it or not. If I have an overhead light on, do I need the flashlight? Thanks, Brandon -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: KNFB READER
The latest version is running well on my iPhone 5. You aren't testing iOS9, by any chance? There are no promises if you're running a beta. > On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone > wrote: > > Hi all, > > A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did > work quite well on the 4S. Today I go to use it and find it's not working. > > Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work > with a 4S, please? > > Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place! > > Carol P > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/>. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone > <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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No, not testing but getting nowhere with my 4S. Thanks anyway. Anyone else out there can confirm or deny about the running of KNFB Reader on a 4S right now? Thanks. Carol P - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 7:20 PM Subject: Re: KNFB READER The latest version is running well on my iPhone 5. You aren't testing iOS9, by any chance? There are no promises if you're running a beta. On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone wrote: Hi all, A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did work quite well on the 4S. Today I go to use it and find it's not working. Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work with a 4S, please? Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place! Carol P -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi, I have an iPhone 5s and find that I am get no results if that tells you anything. Matthew Sent from my iPhone. Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com > On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone > wrote: > > Hi all, > > A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did > work quite well on the 4S. Today I go to use it and find it's not working. > > Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work > with a 4S, please? > > Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place! > > Carol P > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: KNFB READER
While probably not necessary to post, I can't resist. With the first public beta of iOS9, KNFB Reader worked poorly. Mostly the problem was that it would not take a picture unless one went into settings and toggled the camera allowance at least once. This was not always necessary and also would not always work. I was really starting to get worried because I stupidly don't have a recent backup so will be forced to stay with the public betas until the release. Well, not necessarily forced but I don't want to have to start from a fresh 8.4. Luckily, the problem seems to be solved at this point but I have only used it a couple of times. On Jul 27, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote: Hi, I have an iPhone 5s and find that I am get no results if that tells you anything. Matthew Sent from my iPhone. Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com <mailto:carol.pearso...@googlemail.com>' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: > Hi all, > > A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did > work quite well on the 4S. Today I go to use it and find it's not working. > > Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work > with a 4S, please? > > Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place! > > Carol P > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/>. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone > <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/>. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone>. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: KNFB READER
Thanks for that. It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone. Thanks. Carol P - Original Message - From: Matthew Dyer To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM Subject: Re: KNFB READER Hi, I have an iPhone 5s and find that I am get no results if that tells you anything. Matthew Sent from my iPhone. Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone wrote: Hi all, A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did work quite well on the 4S. Today I go to use it and find it's not working. Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work with a 4S, please? Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place! Carol P -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: KNFB READER
I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just fine on iOS 8.4. Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app? Richard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB READER Thanks for that. It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone. Thanks. Carol P - Original Message - From: Matthew Dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM Subject: Re: KNFB READER Hi, I have an iPhone 5s and find that I am get no results if that tells you anything. Matthew Sent from my iPhone. Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com ' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: Hi all, A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did work quite well on the 4S. Today I go to use it and find it's not working. Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work with a 4S, please? Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place! Carol P -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are
Re: KNFB READER
I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the app.
Thanks for the reminder. I'll do that.
Carol P
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Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM
Subject: RE: KNFB READER
I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just
fine on iOS 8.4.
Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?
Richard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER
Thanks for that. It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now
down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone.
Thanks.
Carol P
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Dyer
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB READER
Hi,
I have an iPhone 5s and find that I am get no results if that tells you
anything.
Matthew
Sent from my iPhone.
Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage:
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
wrote:
Hi all,
A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally,
did work quite well on the 4S. Today I go to use it and find it's not working.
Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work
with a 4S, please?
Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!
Carol P
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RE: KNFB READER
Carol, Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you didn’t accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, but the app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for you to take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB READER I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the app. Thanks for the reminder. I'll do that. Carol P - Original Message - From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM Subject: RE: KNFB READER I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just fine on iOS 8.4. Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app? Richard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: KNFB READER Thanks for that. It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone. Thanks. Carol P - Original Message - From: Matthew Dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM Subject: Re: KNFB READER Hi, I have an iPhone 5s and find that I am get no results if that tells you anything. Matthew Sent from my iPhone. Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com ' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: Hi all, A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did work quite well on the 4S. Today I go to use it and find it's not working. Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work with a 4S, please? Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place! Carol P -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &
Re: KNFB READER
OK, I will.
Will come back having done both.
Carol P
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: KNFB READER
Carol,
Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you didn’t
accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, but the
app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for you to
take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER
I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the
app. Thanks for the reminder. I'll do that.
Carol P
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM
Subject: RE: KNFB READER
I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just
fine on iOS 8.4.
Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?
Richard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER
Thanks for that. It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now
down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone.
Thanks.
Carol P
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Dyer
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB READER
Hi,
I have an iPhone 5s and find that I am get no results if that tells you
anything.
Matthew
Sent from my iPhone.
Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage:
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via
VIPhone wrote:
Hi all,
A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which,
originally, did work quite well on the 4S. Today I go to use it and find it's
not working.
Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to
work with a 4S, please?
Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!
Carol P
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