Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

['Angie Nutt' via VIPhone]

Not sure I agree it’s petty as it decreases efficiency if one is dependent on 
braille. I do agree though with those who say there is no such thing as bug 
free software.

All the best
Angie

> On 24 May 2023, at 00:17, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Well said, Scott!!
> 
> There is always something to gripe about. No software is going to be bug 
> free, and this is a small thing, because for the most part, there are 
> workarounds. I could see getting upset if they took accessibility away from 
> us permanently, but this is petty. Come on, now. We all have our thoughts, 
> and I’m not trying to change yours, Davy, but just be thankful for what you 
> have and not so demanding.
> 
> Jenn
> Jenn and Kumi 
> 
>> On May 23, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> It's a pretty serious bug when you don't have the luxury of audio
>> books or listening with speech.
>> That said, Davy, I encourage you to try reading a book on Android, any
>> version of the OS, and tell me why Apple's feature which worked pretty
>> well is somehow less sue worthy than Android. What about Samsung?
>> Their phones don't appear to be working with the new itteration of
>> TalkBack's braille support. Their watches have 0 braille support.
>> Also, why depend on America to do that? You have an EU counterpart,
>> right? Or am I misunderstanding the purposes behind the European Blind
>> Union? Here's an ignerant American making suggestions
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 5/23/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>> Sieghard it is an overall braille bug just check the forums on Applevis.
>>> 
>>> Davy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard
>>> Weitzel
>>> Verzonden: dinsdag 23 mei 2023 6:55
>>> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Onderwerp: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT
>>> UPDATE to ios16.5
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this
>>> point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15.
>>> Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS
>>> 16.6 will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several
>>> third level updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1,
>>> iOS 16.6.2 etc., but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late
>>> June or early July the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September
>>> as always iOS 17 will be released for the masses. I personally can't see a
>>> single reason why one should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy
>>> described is I assume not an iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
>>> Michael Irons
>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT
>>> UPDATE to ios16.5
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking
>>> about I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner >> <mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything
>>> works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally,
>>> but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I
>>> hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If
>>> I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting
>>> VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that,
>>> panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again.
>>> Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are
>>> seeing?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem
>>> remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Anna
>>>

Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Jennie Facer]

Well said, Scott!!

There is always something to gripe about. No software is going to be bug free, 
and this is a small thing, because for the most part, there are workarounds. I 
could see getting upset if they took accessibility away from us permanently, 
but this is petty. Come on, now. We all have our thoughts, and I’m not trying 
to change yours, Davy, but just be thankful for what you have and not so 
demanding.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi   

> On May 23, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> It's a pretty serious bug when you don't have the luxury of audio
> books or listening with speech.
> That said, Davy, I encourage you to try reading a book on Android, any
> version of the OS, and tell me why Apple's feature which worked pretty
> well is somehow less sue worthy than Android. What about Samsung?
> Their phones don't appear to be working with the new itteration of
> TalkBack's braille support. Their watches have 0 braille support.
> Also, why depend on America to do that? You have an EU counterpart,
> right? Or am I misunderstanding the purposes behind the European Blind
> Union? Here's an ignerant American making suggestions
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 5/23/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> Sieghard it is an overall braille bug just check the forums on Applevis.
>> 
>> Davy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard
>> Weitzel
>> Verzonden: dinsdag 23 mei 2023 6:55
>> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Onderwerp: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT
>> UPDATE to ios16.5
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this
>> point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15.
>> Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS
>> 16.6 will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several
>> third level updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1,
>> iOS 16.6.2 etc., but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late
>> June or early July the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September
>> as always iOS 17 will be released for the masses. I personally can't see a
>> single reason why one should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy
>> described is I assume not an iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
>> Michael Irons
>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT
>> UPDATE to ios16.5
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking
>> about I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner > <mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything
>> works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally,
>> but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I
>> hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If
>> I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting
>> VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that,
>> panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again.
>> Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are
>> seeing?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem
>> remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater > <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yep, that’s it.
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> 
>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Https://devinprater.micro.blog
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert > <mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello.
>> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
>> 

Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Devin Prater]

Right. Google Play Books just now got the ability to turn pages when 
TalkBack gets to the end of the current page. As of like a few weeks ago.


On 5/23/2023 1:56 PM, Scott Davert wrote:

Hi all.
It's a pretty serious bug when you don't have the luxury of audio
books or listening with speech.
That said, Davy, I encourage you to try reading a book on Android, any
version of the OS, and tell me why Apple's feature which worked pretty
well is somehow less sue worthy than Android. What about Samsung?
Their phones don't appear to be working with the new itteration of
TalkBack's braille support. Their watches have 0 braille support.
Also, why depend on America to do that? You have an EU counterpart,
right? Or am I misunderstanding the purposes behind the European Blind
Union? Here's an ignerant American making suggestions

Scott

On 5/23/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:

Sieghard it is an overall braille bug just check the forums on Applevis.

Davy



Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard
Weitzel
Verzonden: dinsdag 23 mei 2023 6:55
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT
UPDATE to ios16.5



I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this
point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15.
Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS
16.6 will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several
third level updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1,
iOS 16.6.2 etc., but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late
June or early July the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September
as always iOS 17 will be released for the masses. I personally can't see a
single reason why one should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy
described is I assume not an iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
Michael Irons
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT
UPDATE to ios16.5



I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking
about I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.

Sent from my iPhone



On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,



I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything
works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally,
but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I
hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If
I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting
VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that,
panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again.
Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are
seeing?



I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.



Best,

Anna





On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>



Https://devinprater.micro.blog



On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com <mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
It's a pretty serious bug when you don't have the luxury of audio
books or listening with speech.
That said, Davy, I encourage you to try reading a book on Android, any
version of the OS, and tell me why Apple's feature which worked pretty
well is somehow less sue worthy than Android. What about Samsung?
Their phones don't appear to be working with the new itteration of
TalkBack's braille support. Their watches have 0 braille support.
Also, why depend on America to do that? You have an EU counterpart,
right? Or am I misunderstanding the purposes behind the European Blind
Union? Here's an ignerant American making suggestions

Scott

On 5/23/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Sieghard it is an overall braille bug just check the forums on Applevis.
>
> Davy
>
>
>
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard
> Weitzel
> Verzonden: dinsdag 23 mei 2023 6:55
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT
> UPDATE to ios16.5
>
>
>
> I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this
> point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15.
> Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS
> 16.6 will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several
> third level updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1,
> iOS 16.6.2 etc., but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late
> June or early July the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September
> as always iOS 17 will be released for the masses. I personally can't see a
> single reason why one should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy
> described is I assume not an iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Michael Irons
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT
> UPDATE to ios16.5
>
>
>
> I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking
> about I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner  <mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything
> works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally,
> but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I
> hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If
> I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting
> VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that,
> panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again.
> Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are
> seeing?
>
>
>
> I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem
> remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
> Yep, that’s it.
>
> Devin Prater
>
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> Https://devinprater.micro.blog
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  <mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello.
> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
> 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
> problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
> and I'm not aware?
>
> Scott
>
> On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com <mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>
> mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Folks
>
> For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
> accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
>
> The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
> as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
>
> This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
> DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
> Davy
>
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one workaround RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[davycuppens]

Hi Sieghard 

 

That is the case, but for all people reading kindle books or have other 
applications blocking when moving tot he next page with the panning keys, press 
space+o to fulfill this task until the bug is fixed.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: dinsdag 23 mei 2023 6:59
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

Sorry, I lost track of Davy's tremendous bug reports, just realized he is 
talking about an iOS 16.5 braille issue not a facebook issue.

I'm not a braille user so I can't comment on that one.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this 
point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15. 
Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS 16.6 
will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several third level 
updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1, iOS 16.6.2 etc., 
but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late June or early July 
the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September as always iOS 17 will 
be released for the masses. I personally can't see a single reason why one 
should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy described is I assume not an 
iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
 On Behalf Of Michael Irons
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> 

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com <mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>  
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[davycuppens]

Sieghard it is an overall braille bug just check the forums on Applevis.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: dinsdag 23 mei 2023 6:55
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this 
point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15. 
Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS 16.6 
will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several third level 
updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1, iOS 16.6.2 etc., 
but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late June or early July 
the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September as always iOS 17 will 
be released for the masses. I personally can't see a single reason why one 
should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy described is I assume not an 
iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> 

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com <mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>  
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

There’s still that annoying dictation bug where what you say is often inserted 
twice, but not a show stopper per se.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this 
point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15. 
Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS 16.6 
will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several third level 
updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1, iOS 16.6.2 etc., 
but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late June or early July 
the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September as always iOS 17 will 
be released for the masses. I personally can't see a single reason why one 
should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy described is I assume not an 
iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> 

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com <mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>  
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I don't use a braille display with my iPhone by choice, although, if I
wanted, I could use my BI40X display.  It is very common to have
braille bugs when an update for IOS comes out.  This is nothing new
and shouldn't surprise anyone.  I strongly urge anyone who isn't
updated to  IOS 16, to do so.  There are certain apps, like audible
for example, that need and want you to update to the latest version of
IOS to work properly.  Good luck.

On 5/22/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Sorry, I lost track of Davy's tremendous bug reports, just realized he is
> talking about an iOS 16.5 braille issue not a facebook issue.
> I'm not a braille user so I can't comment on that one.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 9:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT
> UPDATE to ios16.5
>
> I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this
> point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15.
> Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS
> 16.6 will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several
> third level updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1,
> iOS 16.6.2 etc., but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late
> June or early July the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September
> as always iOS 17 will be released for the masses. I personally can't see a
> single reason why one should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy
> described is I assume not an iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Michael Irons
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT
> UPDATE to ios16.5
>
> I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking
> about I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything
> works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally,
> but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I
> hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If
> I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting
> VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that,
> panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again.
> Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are
> seeing?
>
> I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem
> remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
> On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> Yep, that’s it.
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>
> Https://devinprater.micro.blog
>
> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert 
> wrote:
>
> Hello.
> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
> 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
> problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
> and I'm not aware?
>
> Scott
>
> On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Folks
>
> For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
> accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
>
> The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
> as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
>
> This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
> DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
> Davy
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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, I lost track of Davy's tremendous bug reports, just realized he is 
talking about an iOS 16.5 braille issue not a facebook issue.
I'm not a braille user so I can't comment on that one.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this 
point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15. 
Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS 16.6 
will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several third level 
updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1, iOS 16.6.2 etc., 
but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late June or early July 
the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September as always iOS 17 will 
be released for the masses. I personally can't see a single reason why one 
should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy described is I assume not an 
iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.
Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
Hi,

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

Best,
Anna


On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

Yep, that’s it.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Might be time to give Android a try.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

And for all US citizens, report tot he federation of the blind maybe their 
lawyers can send some legal letters to Apple or start some legal action.
I am fed up wit all those nasty bugs!
Apple must stop making publicity fort heir accessibilitiy enhancements in ios17 
if they are not even able to solve the now ongoing bugs like this bug and the 
dictation inconveniences!
Davy

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 21:08
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do 
something about it. supp...@voicedream.com<mailto:supp...@voicedream.com>



Richard, USA.
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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


On May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner 
mailto:wadres...@att.net>> wrote:
Hi,

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

Best,
Anna


On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yep, that’s it.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com<mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert 
mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com<mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> 
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this 
point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15. 
Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS 16.6 
will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several third level 
updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1, iOS 16.6.2 etc., 
but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late June or early July 
the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September as always iOS 17 will 
be released for the masses. I personally can't see a single reason why one 
should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy described is I assume not an 
iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.
Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
Hi,

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

Best,
Anna



On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

Yep, that’s it.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com

Https://devinprater.micro.blog


On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:

Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Michael Irons]

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
> fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
> it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a 
> thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press 
> Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is 
> the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine 
> until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works 
> fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are seeing?
> 
> I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
> remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, that’s it.
>> Devin Prater
>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Https://devinprater.micro.blog
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
>>> 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
>>> problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
>>> and I'm not aware?
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Folks
 
 For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
 accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
 
 The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
 as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
 
 This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
 DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Star Gazer]

It’s a bug, it 
will get fixed. I’m missing some posts here but hey if someone wants to sue 
Apple, they hve that right. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of alia 
robinson
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 5:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

it’s ridiculous to talk about suing apple over this. it’s not like they did it 
purposefully so blind people can’t use their products. do you know how many 
bugs sighted people deal with too? not everything is about us being blind.





On May 22, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Ed Worrell mailto:blindworr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello,

 

While this is a bug, I don’t think that it’s worth threatening to sue Apple 
over. It takes some time in the development world to fix bugs, and to get them 
approved in the update cycle. I think that you will have better luck with 
reporting bugs through Apple Accessibility, than getting lawyers involved. This 
is not a denial of access issue, it literally is a bug, that someone has found 
a work around for. It sounds pretty simple to work around it too. Just my 
thoughts, I’m sure you’re going to rip me a new one now, so go on with your 
rant.

 

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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[alia robinson]

it’s ridiculous to talk about suing apple over this. it’s not like they did it 
purposefully so blind people can’t use their products. do you know how many 
bugs sighted people deal with too? not everything is about us being blind.

> On May 22, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> While this is a bug, I don’t think that it’s worth threatening to sue Apple 
> over. It takes some time in the development world to fix bugs, and to get 
> them approved in the update cycle. I think that you will have better luck 
> with reporting bugs through Apple Accessibility, than getting lawyers 
> involved. This is not a denial of access issue, it literally is a bug, that 
> someone has found a work around for. It sounds pretty simple to work around 
> it too. Just my thoughts, I’m sure you’re going to rip me a new one now, so 
> go on with your rant.

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Dennis Long]

Davy

Good luck finding a bug free platform when you find it let me know.  Oh wait it 
doesn’t exist.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

And for all US citizens, report tot he federation of the blind maybe their 
lawyers can send some legal letters to Apple or start some legal action.

I am fed up wit all those nasty bugs!

Apple must stop making publicity fort heir accessibilitiy enhancements in ios17 
if they are not even able to solve the now ongoing bugs like this bug and the 
dictation inconveniences!

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Namens Richard 
Turner
Verzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 21:08
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Onderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do 
something about it. supp...@voicedream.com <mailto:supp...@voicedream.com> 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> 

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com <mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>  
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[CHELA Robles]

I agree with Ed. Also, David coupons messages when reading with voiceover sounds like it’s in another language even though it’s technically an English it’s reading in a different text to speech voice and it sounds really weird. Even though, I have my language automatically set to English and I have an English voice. Perhaps he used a non-English keyboard to write in English I don’t know, but anyway, hopefully they’ll fix it. At least the Apple will hopefully fix the braille issue they usually do. If people nicely report this to Apple accessibility.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 22, 2023, at 1:29 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:Hello,While this is a bug, I don’t think that it’s worth threatening to sue Apple over. It takes some time in the development world to fix bugs, and to get them approved in the update cycle. I think that you will have better luck with reporting bugs through Apple Accessibility, than getting lawyers involved. This is not a denial of access issue, it literally is a bug, that someone has found a work around for. It sounds pretty simple to work around it too. Just my thoughts, I’m sure you’re going to rip me a new one now, so go on with your rant.Thanks for listening,EdOn May 22, 2023, at 2:21 PM,   wrote:And for all US citizens, report tot he federation of the blind maybe their lawyers can send some legal letters to Apple or start some legal action.I am fed up wit all those nasty bugs!Apple must stop making publicity fort heir accessibilitiy enhancements in ios17 if they are not even able to solve the now ongoing bugs like this bug and the dictation inconveniences!Davy  Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard TurnerVerzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 21:08Aan: viphone@googlegroups.comOnderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5 You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do something about it. supp...@voicedream.com   Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.com On May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:Hi, I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are seeing? I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6. Best,Anna On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> wrote: Yep, that’s it.Devin Praterr.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Https://devinprater.micro.blogOn May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote: Hello.I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing someproblems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issuesand I'm not aware?ScottOn 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:FolksFor brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Appleaccessibility NOW, do it NOW!The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not workas they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!Davy--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhonelist.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or ifyou feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners ormoderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups"VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send anemail to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005c01d98cbc%24ef261150%24cd7233f0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the lis

Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Ed Worrell]

Hello,

While this is a bug, I don’t think that it’s worth threatening to sue Apple 
over. It takes some time in the development world to fix bugs, and to get them 
approved in the update cycle. I think that you will have better luck with 
reporting bugs through Apple Accessibility, than getting lawyers involved. This 
is not a denial of access issue, it literally is a bug, that someone has found 
a work around for. It sounds pretty simple to work around it too. Just my 
thoughts, I’m sure you’re going to rip me a new one now, so go on with your 
rant.

Thanks for listening,

Ed



> On May 22, 2023, at 2:21 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> And for all US citizens, report tot he federation of the blind maybe their 
> lawyers can send some legal letters to Apple or start some legal action.
> I am fed up wit all those nasty bugs!
> Apple must stop making publicity fort heir accessibilitiy enhancements in 
> ios17 if they are not even able to solve the now ongoing bugs like this bug 
> and the dictation inconveniences!
> Davy
>  
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
> Verzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 21:08
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
> UPDATE to ios16.5
>  
> You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do 
> something about it. supp...@voicedream.com <mailto:supp...@voicedream.com>
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner > <mailto:wadres...@att.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything 
>> works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, 
>> but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I 
>> hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If 
>> I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting 
>> VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, 
>> panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. 
>> Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are 
>> seeing?
>>  
>> I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
>> remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.
>>  
>> Best,
>> Anna
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater >> <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Yep, that’s it.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>
>>>  
>>> Https://devinprater.micro.blog <https://devinprater.micro.blog/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert >>> <mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Hello.
>>>> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
>>>> 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
>>>> problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
>>>> and I'm not aware?
>>>> 
>>>> Scott
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com <mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> 
>>>> mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Folks
>>>>> 
>>>>> For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
>>>>> accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
>>>>> 
>>>>> The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not 
>>>>> work
>>>>> as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
>>>>> DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[davycuppens]

And for all US citizens, report tot he federation of the blind maybe their 
lawyers can send some legal letters to Apple or start some legal action.

I am fed up wit all those nasty bugs!

Apple must stop making publicity fort heir accessibilitiy enhancements in ios17 
if they are not even able to solve the now ongoing bugs like this bug and the 
dictation inconveniences!

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 21:08
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do 
something about it. supp...@voicedream.com <mailto:supp...@voicedream.com> 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 





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Yep, that’s it.

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Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

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Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

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Hi Anna then report again and again over and over again: today, tomorrow until 
they fix it. Please folks start to push pressure on Apple, do it now!

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Anna Dresner
Verzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 20:51
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Onderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 





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Yep, that’s it.

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Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

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mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
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Well, I already have 16.5.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 22, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:A work around is to turn the setting that says turn pages while panning off. Make sure it is off, then when your first page runs out, press o plus spacebar and it should advance you to the next page.JennJenn and KumiOn May 22, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do something about it. supp...@voicedream.comRichard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:Hi,I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are seeing?I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.Best,AnnaOn May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:Yep, that’s it.
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A work around is to turn the setting that says turn pages while panning off. Make sure it is off, then when your first page runs out, press o plus spacebar and it should advance you to the next page.JennJenn and KumiOn May 22, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do something about it. supp...@voicedream.comRichard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:Hi,I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are seeing?I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.Best,AnnaOn May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:Yep, that’s it.
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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

Best,
Anna


> On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Yep, that’s it.
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> 
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> 
>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
>> 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
>> problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
>> and I'm not aware?
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>> Folks
>>> 
>>> For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
>>> accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
>>> 
>>> The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
>>> as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
>>> 
>>> This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
>>> DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
>>> Davy
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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Devin Prater]

Yep, that’s it.
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> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
> 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
> problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
> and I'm not aware?
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> Folks
>> 
>> For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
>> accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
>> 
>> The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
>> as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
>> 
>> This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
>> DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
>> Davy
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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Scott Davert]

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Folks
>
> For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
> accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
>
> The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
> as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
>
> This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
> DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
> Davy
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new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[davycuppens]

Folks 

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy 

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