RE: Why should I upgrade?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, I have an iPhone 11, and I've been able to use the camera app to recognize 
text and things around me for at least a year. On my work iPhone, which comes 
in a big chunky case, I've stood the iPhone up in front of my work laptop and 
used it to monitor my boot process.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohib 
Anwar Rafay
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2023 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why should I upgrade?

Hey Christopher, this camera feature with out magnifier thing available in 
standard models with out LiDAR or is that something specific to pro searies?

On 9/28/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'd suggest try using the Camera app. Bring up the camera app, touch
> the top of the screen to put focus in the view finder and then start
> pointing the phone at things. You can sweep it around and hear things
> like there's a sign on the wall with text and then it'll read the
> text. Obviously it'll depend a bit on how quickly you're sweeping the
> phone around and how steady your hand is, but this seems more responsive to 
> me than the Seeing AI app.
>
> I'm also interested to know how text detection in the magnifier works,
> and how it's different or better than just using the camera app.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Mohib Anwar Rafay
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 1:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Why should I upgrade?
>
> I feel the most importent thing which should be done by detection mode
> in pro searies  is instant recognition or recognition of the text
> while on the move. If i am visiting any office, i should be able to
> take help from my phone for recognising the office doors and the short
> describtion written on the doors of the offices! or the name and the
> specialisation of the doctor in a hospital or the name of the lab etc.
> Some time I face difficulty in identifying the gate number, entry
> points and relevant section for our use, seeing AI and Envision AI
> doesn't help much in these cases.
>
> On 9/27/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> The normal camera app will also do text recognition, so I'm not sure
>> what's different in the magnifier and LiDAR.
>>
>> I'm not upgrading from my iPhone 11. The action button and the USB-C
>> are the features that interest me the most, but they'll still be
>> there when I get around to upgrading.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?
>>
>> It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text
>> recognition feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if
>> it's really all that much better than what you can already get with
>> Seeing AI.
>> I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part
>> of Be My Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
>> I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a
>> regular
>> 13 because of this, but I must say that except for playing around
>> with it, I have never used door detection even once in the real world.
>> My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next
>> year, some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second
>> generation so to speak and may get useful improvements. I have
>> definitely no intention to upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15
>> Pro, the action button might be the most tempting new feature, but
>> it's not worth that much money and even if I don't want to spend the
>> big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better deal on a 15 pro
>> once the 16 phones have been released.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Jenifer Barr
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Why should I upgrade?
>>
>> Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now.
>> One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't
>> quite understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will
>> give me better text and object recognition?
>> Thoughts?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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RE: Why should I upgrade?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, only the ability to recognize text in the Magnifier is new in iOS 17 and 
requires a phone with a LiDAR sensor, this means either one of the following:
iPhone 12 Pro/Pro Max (the first model to have LiDAR)
iPhone 13 Pro/Pro Max
iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max
iPhone 15/15 Pro Max

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohib 
Anwar Rafay
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 10:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why should I upgrade?

Hey Christopher, this camera feature with out magnifier thing available in 
standard models with out LiDAR or is that something specific to pro searies?

On 9/28/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'd suggest try using the Camera app. Bring up the camera app, touch 
> the top of the screen to put focus in the view finder and then start 
> pointing the phone at things. You can sweep it around and hear things 
> like there's a sign on the wall with text and then it'll read the 
> text. Obviously it'll depend a bit on how quickly you're sweeping the 
> phone around and how steady your hand is, but this seems more responsive to 
> me than the Seeing AI app.
>
> I'm also interested to know how text detection in the magnifier works, 
> and how it's different or better than just using the camera app.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mohib Anwar Rafay
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 1:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Why should I upgrade?
>
> I feel the most importent thing which should be done by detection mode 
> in pro searies  is instant recognition or recognition of the text 
> while on the move. If i am visiting any office, i should be able to 
> take help from my phone for recognising the office doors and the short 
> describtion written on the doors of the offices! or the name and the 
> specialisation of the doctor in a hospital or the name of the lab etc.
> Some time I face difficulty in identifying the gate number, entry 
> points and relevant section for our use, seeing AI and Envision AI 
> doesn't help much in these cases.
>
> On 9/27/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> The normal camera app will also do text recognition, so I'm not sure 
>> what's different in the magnifier and LiDAR.
>>
>> I'm not upgrading from my iPhone 11. The action button and the USB-C 
>> are the features that interest me the most, but they'll still be 
>> there when I get around to upgrading.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?
>>
>> It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text 
>> recognition feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if 
>> it's really all that much better than what you can already get with 
>> Seeing AI.
>> I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part 
>> of Be My Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
>> I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a 
>> regular
>> 13 because of this, but I must say that except for playing around 
>> with it, I have never used door detection even once in the real world.
>> My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next 
>> year, some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second 
>> generation so to speak and may get useful improvements. I have 
>> definitely no intention to upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15 
>> Pro, the action button might be the most tempting new feature, but 
>> it's not worth that much money and even if I don't want to spend the 
>> big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better deal on a 15 pro 
>> once the 16 phones have been released.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Jenifer Barr
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Why should I upgrade?
>>
>> Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now.
>> One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't 
>> quite understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will 
>> give me better text and object recognition?
>> Thoughts?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> --
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>> iPhone list.
>>
>> If you have 

Re: Why should I upgrade?

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

Hey Christopher, this camera feature with out magnifier thing
available in standard models with out LiDAR or is that something
specific to pro searies?

On 9/28/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'd suggest try using the Camera app. Bring up the camera app, touch the top
> of the screen to put focus in the view finder and then start pointing the
> phone at things. You can sweep it around and hear things like there's a sign
> on the wall with text and then it'll read the text. Obviously it'll depend a
> bit on how quickly you're sweeping the phone around and how steady your hand
> is, but this seems more responsive to me than the Seeing AI app.
>
> I'm also interested to know how text detection in the magnifier works, and
> how it's different or better than just using the camera app.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohib
> Anwar Rafay
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 1:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Why should I upgrade?
>
> I feel the most importent thing which should be done by detection mode in
> pro searies  is instant recognition or recognition of the text while on the
> move. If i am visiting any office, i should be able to take help from my
> phone for recognising the office doors and the short describtion written on
> the doors of the offices! or the name and the specialisation of the doctor
> in a hospital or the name of the lab etc.
> Some time I face difficulty in identifying the gate number, entry points and
> relevant section for our use, seeing AI and Envision AI doesn't help much in
> these cases.
>
> On 9/27/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> The normal camera app will also do text recognition, so I'm not sure
>> what's different in the magnifier and LiDAR.
>>
>> I'm not upgrading from my iPhone 11. The action button and the USB-C
>> are the features that interest me the most, but they'll still be there
>> when I get around to upgrading.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?
>>
>> It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text
>> recognition feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if
>> it's really all that much better than what you can already get with Seeing
>> AI.
>> I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part of
>> Be My Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
>> I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a
>> regular
>> 13 because of this, but I must say that except for playing around with
>> it, I have never used door detection even once in the real world.
>> My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next
>> year, some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second
>> generation so to speak and may get useful improvements. I have
>> definitely no intention to upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15
>> Pro, the action button might be the most tempting new feature, but
>> it's not worth that much money and even if I don't want to spend the
>> big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better deal on a 15 pro once
>> the 16 phones have been released.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Why should I upgrade?
>>
>> Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now.
>> One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't
>> quite understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will
>> give me better text and object recognition?
>> Thoughts?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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RE: Why should I upgrade?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'd suggest try using the Camera app. Bring up the camera app, touch the top of 
the screen to put focus in the view finder and then start pointing the phone at 
things. You can sweep it around and hear things like there's a sign on the wall 
with text and then it'll read the text. Obviously it'll depend a bit on how 
quickly you're sweeping the phone around and how steady your hand is, but this 
seems more responsive to me than the Seeing AI app.

I'm also interested to know how text detection in the magnifier works, and how 
it's different or better than just using the camera app.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohib 
Anwar Rafay
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why should I upgrade?

I feel the most importent thing which should be done by detection mode in pro 
searies  is instant recognition or recognition of the text while on the move. 
If i am visiting any office, i should be able to take help from my phone for 
recognising the office doors and the short describtion written on the doors of 
the offices! or the name and the specialisation of the doctor in a hospital or 
the name of the lab etc.
Some time I face difficulty in identifying the gate number, entry points and 
relevant section for our use, seeing AI and Envision AI doesn't help much in 
these cases.

On 9/27/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> The normal camera app will also do text recognition, so I'm not sure
> what's different in the magnifier and LiDAR.
>
> I'm not upgrading from my iPhone 11. The action button and the USB-C
> are the features that interest me the most, but they'll still be there
> when I get around to upgrading.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?
>
> It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text
> recognition feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if
> it's really all that much better than what you can already get with Seeing AI.
> I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part of
> Be My Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
> I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a
> regular
> 13 because of this, but I must say that except for playing around with
> it, I have never used door detection even once in the real world.
> My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next
> year, some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second
> generation so to speak and may get useful improvements. I have
> definitely no intention to upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15
> Pro, the action button might be the most tempting new feature, but
> it's not worth that much money and even if I don't want to spend the
> big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better deal on a 15 pro once 
> the 16 phones have been released.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Why should I upgrade?
>
> Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now.
> One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't
> quite understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will
> give me better text and object recognition?
> Thoughts?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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RE: Why should I upgrade?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is my understanding that the text recognition in the Magnifier app/feature 
does this, if not use  the Seeing AI short text channel which definitely would 
do it if it sees any information it can read.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohib 
Anwar Rafay
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why should I upgrade?

I feel the most importent thing which should be done by detection mode in pro 
searies  is instant recognition or recognition of the text while on the move. 
If i am visiting any office, i should be able to take help from my phone for 
recognising the office doors and the short describtion written on the doors of 
the offices! or the name and the specialisation of the doctor in a hospital or 
the name of the lab etc.
Some time I face difficulty in identifying the gate number, entry points and 
relevant section for our use, seeing AI and Envision AI doesn't help much in 
these cases.

On 9/27/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> The normal camera app will also do text recognition, so I'm not sure 
> what's different in the magnifier and LiDAR.
>
> I'm not upgrading from my iPhone 11. The action button and the USB-C 
> are the features that interest me the most, but they'll still be there 
> when I get around to upgrading.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?
>
> It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text 
> recognition feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if 
> it's really all that much better than what you can already get with Seeing AI.
> I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part of 
> Be My Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
> I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a 
> regular
> 13 because of this, but I must say that except for playing around with 
> it, I have never used door detection even once in the real world.
> My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next 
> year, some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second 
> generation so to speak and may get useful improvements. I have 
> definitely no intention to upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15 
> Pro, the action button might be the most tempting new feature, but 
> it's not worth that much money and even if I don't want to spend the 
> big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better deal on a 15 pro once 
> the 16 phones have been released.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Why should I upgrade?
>
> Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now.
> One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't 
> quite understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will 
> give me better text and object recognition?
> Thoughts?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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Re: Why should I upgrade?

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

I feel the most importent thing which should be done by detection mode
in pro searies  is instant recognition or recognition of the text
while on the move. If i am visiting any office, i should be able to
take help from my phone for recognising the office doors and the short
describtion written on the doors of the offices! or the name and the
specialisation of the doctor in a hospital or the name of the lab etc.
Some time I face difficulty in identifying the gate number, entry
points and relevant section for our use, seeing AI and Envision AI
doesn't help much in these cases.

On 9/27/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> The normal camera app will also do text recognition, so I'm not sure what's
> different in the magnifier and LiDAR.
>
> I'm not upgrading from my iPhone 11. The action button and the USB-C are the
> features that interest me the most, but they'll still be there when I get
> around to upgrading.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?
>
> It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text recognition
> feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if it's really all
> that much better than what you can already get with Seeing AI.
> I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part of Be My
> Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
> I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a regular
> 13 because of this, but I must say that except for playing around with it, I
> have never used door detection even once in the real world.
> My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next year,
> some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second generation so
> to speak and may get useful improvements. I have definitely no intention to
> upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15 Pro, the action button might be the
> most tempting new feature, but it's not worth that much money and even if I
> don't want to spend the big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better
> deal on a 15 pro once the 16 phones have been released.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Why should I upgrade?
>
> Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now.
> One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't quite
> understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will give me better
> text and object recognition?
> Thoughts?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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RE: Why should I upgrade?

[Christopher Chaltain]

The normal camera app will also do text recognition, so I'm not sure what's 
different in the magnifier and LiDAR.

I'm not upgrading from my iPhone 11. The action button and the USB-C are the 
features that interest me the most, but they'll still be there when I get 
around to upgrading.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?

It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text recognition 
feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if it's really all that 
much better than what you can already get with Seeing AI.
I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part of Be My 
Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a regular 13 
because of this, but I must say that except for playing around with it, I have 
never used door detection even once in the real world.
My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next year, 
some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second generation so to 
speak and may get useful improvements. I have definitely no intention to 
upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15 Pro, the action button might be the 
most tempting new feature, but it's not worth that much money and even if I 
don't want to spend the big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better 
deal on a 15 pro once the 16 phones have been released.


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Subject: Why should I upgrade?

Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now.
One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't quite 
understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will give me better 
text and object recognition?
Thoughts?
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RE: Why should I upgrade?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I'll probably send a message to Be My Eyes because I think if they could take 
advantage of the LiDAR sensor in the Pro phones that descriptions provided by 
Be My AI could become even better, for example, it could describe a picture and 
potentially include information like the approximate size or if it mentions 
objects in the picture it could say something like "there is a lawn mower  
approx. 8 metres away".

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?

Jennifer,
LIDAR can help for object recognition.  But have you tried Be My Eyes AI on 
your 13 mini?
I posted an email from the makers of Be My Eyes within the last day or so 
concerning how they are making that feature more widely available.  I do not 
believe it depends on LIDAR.  I also do not think LIDAR will help that much in 
text recognition.  The Be My Eyes AI feature is by far the best for object 
recognition.

Here is that email again in case you missed it.
From: Mike from Be My Eyes  
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 6:16 AM
Subject: Be My AI soon available for Be My Eyes users on iOS

 

We are thrilled to announce that Be My AI will soon be available to hundreds of 
thousands of Be My Eyes users on iOS devices worldwide! 

Thanks to the tremendous work of over 19,000 beta testers and the team at Be My 
Eyes, we’re moving to an open beta phase and releasing Be My AI to our iPhone 
users starting this week. Over the next few weeks we will be adding more and 
more users every day, so that soon everyone using an iOS device will have 
direct access to our new AI-powered feature. Make sure to keep your app 
updated. 

While using Be My AI is not intended to replace a white cane or a guide dog, 
using it in your everyday life is powerful, quick and simple. Once you have 
access, open the Be My Eyes app, click on the ‘Be My AI’ tab, and take a 
picture of just about anything. Be My AI will give you a detailed description 
of it, and you can chat and ask further questions to get more information. Be 
My AI is available now in any of 19 languages, with more to come. 

And don’t worry - if Be My AI can’t answer all your questions, if you want to 
check its results, or if you just need a little more assistance than Be My AI 
can provide, you still can easily reach one of our dedicated volunteers, just 
like before. 

You can learn more about Be My AI and how to use it in our new blog post or by 
visiting the Help Center on our website. 

This global release of Be My AI into an open beta test means that hundreds of 
thousands of people will now be able to experience this exciting new tool. Make 
sure to share the news with your friends, family and colleagues! 

Right now we’ll only be releasing Be My AI with users who use iOS devices. But 
Android users fear not. We are currently in a closed beta test of Be My AI on 
Android devices, and we hope to make it more broadly available for open beta 
testing in the coming months. If you are interested in joining the Android beta 
test, you can already sign up for the Android waitlist in the Be My Eyes app. 

If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to us at 
supp...@bemyeyes.com. 

And happy exploring! 

P.S: Do you know another blind or low-vision person who can benefit from this 
new feature? Make sure to forward this email to them and invite them to try out 
Be My AI on the Be My Eyes app! 
Thank you! 

Mike, CEO of Be My Eyes 
Keep in touch, find us on:
 
Questions or concerns? Try our FAQ or contact our support team. 
Our address: Be My Eyes, 1155 Market St. 10th Floor, San Francisco, CA 
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenifer 
Barr
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Why should I upgrade?

Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now. 
One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't quite 
understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will give me better 
text and object recognition? 
Thoughts? 
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RE: Why should I upgrade?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text recognition 
feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if it's really all that 
much better than what you can already get with Seeing AI.
I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part of Be My 
Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a regular 13 
because of this, but I must say that except for playing around with it, I have 
never used door detection even once in the real world.
My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next year, 
some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second generation so to 
speak and may get useful improvements. I have definitely no intention to 
upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15 Pro, the action button might be the 
most tempting new feature, but it's not worth that much money and even if I 
don't want to spend the big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better 
deal on a 15 pro once the 16 phones have been released.


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Barr
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Why should I upgrade?

Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now. 
One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't quite 
understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will give me better 
text and object recognition? 
Thoughts? 
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RE: Why should I upgrade?

[Richard Turner]

Jennifer,
LIDAR can help for object recognition.  But have you tried Be My Eyes AI on 
your 13 mini?
I posted an email from the makers of Be My Eyes within the last day or so 
concerning how they are making that feature more widely available.  I do not 
believe it depends on LIDAR.  I also do not think LIDAR will help that much in 
text recognition.  The Be My Eyes AI feature is by far the best for object 
recognition.

Here is that email again in case you missed it.
From: Mike from Be My Eyes  
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 6:16 AM
Subject: Be My AI soon available for Be My Eyes users on iOS

 

We are thrilled to announce that Be My AI will soon be available to hundreds of 
thousands of Be My Eyes users on iOS devices worldwide! 

Thanks to the tremendous work of over 19,000 beta testers and the team at Be My 
Eyes, we’re moving to an open beta phase and releasing Be My AI to our iPhone 
users starting this week. Over the next few weeks we will be adding more and 
more users every day, so that soon everyone using an iOS device will have 
direct access to our new AI-powered feature. Make sure to keep your app 
updated. 

While using Be My AI is not intended to replace a white cane or a guide dog, 
using it in your everyday life is powerful, quick and simple. Once you have 
access, open the Be My Eyes app, click on the ‘Be My AI’ tab, and take a 
picture of just about anything. Be My AI will give you a detailed description 
of it, and you can chat and ask further questions to get more information. Be 
My AI is available now in any of 19 languages, with more to come. 

And don’t worry - if Be My AI can’t answer all your questions, if you want to 
check its results, or if you just need a little more assistance than Be My AI 
can provide, you still can easily reach one of our dedicated volunteers, just 
like before. 

You can learn more about Be My AI and how to use it in our new blog post or by 
visiting the Help Center on our website. 

This global release of Be My AI into an open beta test means that hundreds of 
thousands of people will now be able to experience this exciting new tool. Make 
sure to share the news with your friends, family and colleagues! 

Right now we’ll only be releasing Be My AI with users who use iOS devices. But 
Android users fear not. We are currently in a closed beta test of Be My AI on 
Android devices, and we hope to make it more broadly available for open beta 
testing in the coming months. If you are interested in joining the Android beta 
test, you can already sign up for the Android waitlist in the Be My Eyes app. 

If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to us at 
supp...@bemyeyes.com. 

And happy exploring! 

P.S: Do you know another blind or low-vision person who can benefit from this 
new feature? Make sure to forward this email to them and invite them to try out 
Be My AI on the Be My Eyes app! 
Thank you! 

Mike, CEO of Be My Eyes 
Keep in touch, find us on:
 
Questions or concerns? Try our FAQ or contact our support team. 
Our address: Be My Eyes, 1155 Market St. 10th Floor, San Francisco, CA 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenifer 
Barr
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Why should I upgrade?

Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now. 
One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't quite 
understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will give me better 
text and object recognition? 
Thoughts? 
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Why should I upgrade?

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now. 
One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't quite 
understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will give me better 
text and object recognition? 
Thoughts? 
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RE: Should I upgrade from Apple Watch series 3 to latest model?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you waited this long and considering we are now half way to the next major 
Apple September release, I would probably keep the series 3 Apple Watch and 
upgrade to one of the new Apple Watches this fall which I assume will be the 
series 9.
I never bought the initial Apple Watch, but my wife and I bought the second 
Generation and then we upgraded a few years later to the Apple Watch 5th 
generation and we both still have them. I remember that going from 2nd to 5th 
generation came with a big speed bump and I was definitely not unhappy as at 
times using my 2nd generation was painfully sluggish.

Now I am still quite happy with the 5th generation except for using it in the 
pool and here I really don't know if a new 8th generation watch would be much 
better, but I find it extremely frustrating and useless for use in water.
First of all, even when I don't yet have waterlock on, I find the watch very 
difficult to use when I have wet fingers and the watch is just a bit wet on the 
touch screen. 
Secondly, once I start my pool swim workout and waterlock engages, the watch is 
entirely useless for a Voiceover user until you press and hold the digital 
crown to turn waterlock off, then at first if you still have wet fingers you 
again deal with the frustration of the touch screen either not reacting well or 
doing all sorts of things you don't want it to do; it foten goes to the third 
workout screen which is your currently playing screen, then you have to try to 
get it back to the second screen if I want to see actually any details about 
how long I was swimming and how many length I did and so on. I really have to 
get into the habit to bring a small towel or something so I can wipe the watch 
dry and dry my fingers.
Lastly, even at 100% volume it's not easy to hear what Voiceover is saying in a 
pool setting where there is echo and typically a good amount of background 
noise. I am thinking I should maybe try one of these waterproof headsets you 
can get to see if that wouldn't improve the quality of the watch experience 
because I regularly find myself saying not very nice things to my watch and 
Apple for making it so difficult.
I am pretty sure a sighted person can tap the screen or press the digital crown 
or side button when the watch is in waterlock and they can see all the 
information about their workout so it's annoying that as a Voiceover user that 
information is not accessible, why can't it be set up so that pressing the 
digital crown and/or side button wouuld tell Voiceover it should read the 
important workout data such as time and how many length I have done etc. I 
understand the Apple Watch 8 Ultimate or whatever it is called is quite a bit 
louder so that might be helpful in this setting, but I'd be really interested 
to hear from others who regularly use their Apple Watch for swimming workouts 
if they found any work-arounds for that problems I am describing. because 
crystal

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Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 9:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Should I upgrade from Apple Watch series 3 to latest model?

Hey all,

I've been using my apple watch Series 3 for a very long time. Should I upgrade 
to a newer model? Is there much point? I figured the speed increases would be 
worth it, but are the other features like blood oxygen measurements etc useful? 
I also had a question regarding the new zones feature on watch OS 9. Are you 
able to customize the feature, so you get audible or haptic alerts when your 
active zone changes? That'll help blind people a ton since we'll get that 
information in realtime. 
thanks!




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[Yohandy]

Hey all,

I've been using my apple watch Series 3 for a very long time. Should I 
upgrade to a newer model? Is there much point? I figured the speed 
increases would be worth it, but are the other features like blood 
oxygen measurements etc useful? I also had a question regarding the new 
zones feature on watch OS 9. Are you able to customize the feature, so 
you get audible or haptic alerts when your active zone changes? That'll 
help blind people a ton since we'll get that information in realtime. 
thanks!





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Re: should i upgrade

[Liel Ben Simon‫ליאל בן סימון‬‎]

Ihad upgraded to ios11.1, it works beter on my iPhone7. I highly recommended

Sent from  my iphone

‫ב-2 בנוב׳ 2017, בשעה 21:08, ‏‏Jed Barton ‏ כתב/ה:‬

> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, minus the braille issues, cause i don't use braille on my iphone,
> is IOS 11.1 safe to go to?  I've held off, but wanted to get some
> input.  Is it over-all better?
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should i upgrade

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys,

OK, minus the braille issues, cause i don't use braille on my iphone,
is IOS 11.1 safe to go to?  I've held off, but wanted to get some
input.  Is it over-all better?

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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Judy Pryor]

My daughter who did not have 2 step verification on her phone told me she had 
updated to IOS 11 with out having  to have the 2 factor authentication.  Is 
that right? I do not have 2 step verification on my phone.
Judy`
> On 3 Oct 2017, at 18:42, Carl de Campos <carljdecam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Sieghard,
> 
> Thanks very much
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks / regards
> 
> Carl de Campos
> Email:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
> Cell:  0614184262
> 
> Sent from my Iphone
> 
> 
>> On 03 Oct 2017, at 16:59, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Carl,
>> 
>> If you don't have any 32 bit apps left than tapping on Settings > General > 
>> About > Applications does nothing.
>> It only presents a list of apps if you still have any 32 bit apps.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Carl John de Campos
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:24 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> If you tap on Settings / General / About / Apps, it should give you a list 
>> of apps that may slow down your phone on IOS 11 if not update made available.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks / Regards
>> Carl de Campos
>> South Africa
>> SQL DBA
>> Business Connection
>> Cell:  0614184262
>> E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
>> My Youtube  channel:  
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo6pgDobJut1AxNypVAOcqg
>> 
>> “Blindness is not an Obstacle, but a Challenge”
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of dacia.l...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> I am not sure yet if I will upgrade or not or if I will wait. When I tried 
>> the check to see what apps need to be updated to iOS 11, nothing happened 
>> when I tapped on apps after I went into settings, general, and about. Any 
>> suggestions?
>> Dacia
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Michael Irons <leomik...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well now, I am sticking with iOS 10. I am not upgrading because there are 
>>> too many bags, battery drain and voiceover not working is two of the 
>>> biggies.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:48 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a 
>>>> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is 
>>>> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either 
>>>> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this 
>>>> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Nancy
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>>>>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very 
>>>>> slow working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>>>>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
>>>>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>>>>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
>>>>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even 
>>>>> not with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones 
>>>>> back to factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>>>>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
>>>>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
>>>>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
>>>>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
>>>>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>>>>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for 
>>>>> the bugs, I DO!
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy B

Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

I am using iPhone SE and already using latest update of version 11. I
didn't face any issue, in fact my SE is working fine with voice over,
seeri is working perfectly, there is no issue in notification, and I
didn't have to setup my phone from the scretch, yes I do accept, the
battery drain is rapid in comparison to erlier version.

On 10/3/17, dollar...@gmail.com <dollar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a
> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is
> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either
> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this
> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nancy
>>
>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow
>> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios
>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to
>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even
>> not with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones
>> back to factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with
>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and
>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or
>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that
>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for
>> the bugs, I DO!
>>
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
>> cents.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> Old Dominion University
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
>> errors.
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like over-all
>>> it's working well but a few new little things to get use to.  Any
>>> thoughts?
>>>
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Carl de Campos]

Thanks Sieghard,

Thanks very much



Thanks / regards

Carl de Campos
Email:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
Cell:  0614184262

Sent from my Iphone


> On 03 Oct 2017, at 16:59, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Carl,
> 
> If you don't have any 32 bit apps left than tapping on Settings > General > 
> About > Applications does nothing.
> It only presents a list of apps if you still have any 32 bit apps.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Carl John de Campos
> Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> If you tap on Settings / General / About / Apps, it should give you a list of 
> apps that may slow down your phone on IOS 11 if not update made available.
> 
> 
> Thanks / Regards
> Carl de Campos
> South Africa
> SQL DBA
> Business Connection
> Cell:  0614184262
> E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
> My Youtube  channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo6pgDobJut1AxNypVAOcqg
> 
> “Blindness is not an Obstacle, but a Challenge”
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> dacia.l...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
> 
> I am not sure yet if I will upgrade or not or if I will wait. When I tried 
> the check to see what apps need to be updated to iOS 11, nothing happened 
> when I tapped on apps after I went into settings, general, and about. Any 
> suggestions?
> Dacia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Michael Irons <leomik...@cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Well now, I am sticking with iOS 10. I am not upgrading because there are 
>> too many bags, battery drain and voiceover not working is two of the biggies.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:48 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a 
>>> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is 
>>> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either 
>>> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this 
>>> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Nancy
>>>> 
>>>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>>>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
>>>> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>>>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
>>>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>>>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
>>>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even 
>>>> not with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones 
>>>> back to factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>>>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
>>>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
>>>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
>>>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
>>>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>>>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for 
>>>> the bugs, I DO!
>>>> 
>>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>>> 
>>>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents..
>>>> Nancy
>>>> 
>>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> 
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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Carl,

If you don't have any 32 bit apps left than tapping on Settings > General > 
About > Applications does nothing.
It only presents a list of apps if you still have any 32 bit apps.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carl John de Campos
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi there,

If you tap on Settings / General / About / Apps, it should give you a list of 
apps that may slow down your phone on IOS 11 if not update made available.


Thanks / Regards
Carl de Campos
South Africa
SQL DBA
Business Connection
Cell:  0614184262
E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
My Youtube  channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo6pgDobJut1AxNypVAOcqg

“Blindness is not an Obstacle, but a Challenge”

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dacia.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not sure yet if I will upgrade or not or if I will wait. When I tried the 
check to see what apps need to be updated to iOS 11, nothing happened when I 
tapped on apps after I went into settings, general, and about. Any suggestions?
Dacia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Michael Irons <leomik...@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Well now, I am sticking with iOS 10. I am not upgrading because there are too 
> many bags, battery drain and voiceover not working is two of the biggies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:48 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a 
>> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is 
>> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either 
>> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this 
>> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Nancy
>>> 
>>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
>>> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
>>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
>>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not 
>>> with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to 
>>> factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
>>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
>>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
>>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
>>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the 
>>> bugs, I DO!
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents..
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Executive Director of Counseling
> 
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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Carl John de Campos]

Hi there,

If you tap on Settings / General / About / Apps, it should give you a list of 
apps that may slow down your phone on IOS 11 if not update made available.


Thanks / Regards
Carl de Campos
South Africa
SQL DBA
Business Connection
Cell:  0614184262
E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
My Youtube  channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo6pgDobJut1AxNypVAOcqg

“Blindness is not an Obstacle, but a Challenge”

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dacia.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not sure yet if I will upgrade or not or if I will wait. When I tried the 
check to see what apps need to be updated to iOS 11, nothing happened when I 
tapped on apps after I went into settings, general, and about. Any suggestions?
Dacia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Michael Irons <leomik...@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Well now, I am sticking with iOS 10. I am not upgrading because there are too 
> many bags, battery drain and voiceover not working is two of the biggies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:48 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a 
>> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is 
>> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either 
>> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this 
>> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Nancy
>>> 
>>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
>>> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
>>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
>>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not 
>>> with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to 
>>> factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
>>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
>>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
>>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
>>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the 
>>> bugs, I DO!
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents..
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Executive Director of Counseling
> 
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[dacia . luck]

I am not sure yet if I will upgrade or not or if I will wait. When I tried the 
check to see what apps need to be updated to iOS 11, nothing happened when I 
tapped on apps after I went into settings, general, and about. Any suggestions?
Dacia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Michael Irons <leomik...@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Well now, I am sticking with iOS 10. I am not upgrading because there are too 
> many bags, battery drain and voiceover not working is two of the biggies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:48 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a 
>> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is 
>> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either 
>> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this 
>> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Nancy
>>> 
>>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
>>> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
>>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
>>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not 
>>> with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to 
>>> factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
>>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
>>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
>>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
>>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the 
>>> bugs, I DO!
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents..
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Executive Director of Counseling
> 
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Michael Irons]

Well now, I am sticking with iOS 10. I am not upgrading because there are too 
many bags, battery drain and voiceover not working is two of the biggies.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:48 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a 
> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is 
> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either 
> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this 
> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Nancy
>> 
>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
>> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not 
>> with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to 
>> factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the 
>> bugs, I DO!
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents..
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling

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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[dollar031]

Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a very 
good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is explaining 
the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either because it is 
not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this heap.  Cheers,  
Scott Dollar 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Nancy
> 
> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 11.01 
> and she has got serious battery drain effect.
> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to start 
> voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not with a 
> hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to factory 
> settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and start 
> from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or slugishness but 
> this is eventually not true knowing about friends that bought fresh new 
> iphones with the use of voiceover.
> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the 
> bugs, I DO!
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
> 
> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents.
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Executive Director of Counseling
> Old Dominion University
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like over-all
>> it's working well but a few new little things to get use to.  Any
>> thoughts?
>> 
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, sounds good, but the way I use my devices, iPhone 6s in particular, the 
bugs present I can deal with. But then again, I have a high tolerance for bugs. 
So I am one for upgrading for sure.

> On 29 Sep 2017, at 14:45, Simon Wong <simonwo...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
> I did not update yet.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Gordon <gor...@gordonradio.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Help is on the way for everyone who's experiencing these different bugs. I 
>> know that beta discussions aren't permitted here on the list, but I can tell 
>> you that things are being addressed and I imagine this should be ready for 
>> public release soon. You all will be quite pleased. I'm mainly posting this 
>> for those who are still on IOS 10.3.3 and aren't ready to upgrade just yet.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/29/2017 8:36 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>>> In my case, the way I use my ipad mini 4, none of the bugs effect the way I 
>>> use it.  I was lucky all of the apps I use are 64bit.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:30 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with battery 
>>> drain, speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as responsive as 
>>> ever and if by the notification bug you guys mean that notifications aren't 
>>> read out aloud on the lock screen that for me is not such a big deal and 
>>> I'm sure it gets fixed in time. I find there is just as much or more to 
>>> like about iOS 11 than there is to complain about and I have already not 
>>> kept any apps which didn't get updated to 64 Bit, if you don't upgrade 
>>> because you are holding on to some old 32 bit app which hasn't been updated 
>>> in years then you are just postponing the inevitable. But I completely 
>>> agree that if you don't do well with putting up with a few bugs and 
>>> work-arounds and prefer bugs you are used to to new ones then it's better 
>>> to wait, after all, it's not like iOS 10 is bug-free.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Ann
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
>>> settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps 
>>> not compatible with IOS11.
>>> SayColor and INote
>>> Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.
>>> But I'll wait to upgrade.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Davy Cuppens
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> Hi Ann
>>> 
>>> That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
>>> compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.
>>> Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
>>> Regards
>>> Davy
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>>> From: Ann
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on 
>>> your phone:
>>> go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will 
>>> let you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
>>> Barton
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for 
>>> sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.
>>> 
>>>> On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Don't.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>>>>> I am not updating until the notific

Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Simon Wong]

I did not update yet.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Gordon <gor...@gordonradio.com> wrote:
> 
> Help is on the way for everyone who's experiencing these different bugs. I 
> know that beta discussions aren't permitted here on the list, but I can tell 
> you that things are being addressed and I imagine this should be ready for 
> public release soon. You all will be quite pleased. I'm mainly posting this 
> for those who are still on IOS 10.3.3 and aren't ready to upgrade just yet.
> 
> 
>> On 9/29/2017 8:36 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>> In my case, the way I use my ipad mini 4, none of the bugs effect the way I 
>> use it.  I was lucky all of the apps I use are 64bit.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:30 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with battery 
>> drain, speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as responsive as ever 
>> and if by the notification bug you guys mean that notifications aren't read 
>> out aloud on the lock screen that for me is not such a big deal and I'm sure 
>> it gets fixed in time. I find there is just as much or more to like about 
>> iOS 11 than there is to complain about and I have already not kept any apps 
>> which didn't get updated to 64 Bit, if you don't upgrade because you are 
>> holding on to some old 32 bit app which hasn't been updated in years then 
>> you are just postponing the inevitable. But I completely agree that if you 
>> don't do well with putting up with a few bugs and work-arounds and prefer 
>> bugs you are used to to new ones then it's better to wait, after all, it's 
>> not like iOS 10 is bug-free.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Ann
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
>> settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps 
>> not compatible with IOS11.
>> SayColor and INote
>> Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.
>> But I'll wait to upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Davy Cuppens
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> Hi Ann
>> 
>> That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
>> compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.
>> Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> From: Ann
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on 
>> your phone:
>> go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will let 
>> you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
>> Barton
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for 
>> sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.
>> 
>>> On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Don't.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>>>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
>>>> cents.
>>>> Nancy
>>>> 
>>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>>> Executive Director of Counseling
>>>> Old Dominion University
>>>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
>>>> errors.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
>>>>> overwelming to an extent.  T

Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Gordon]

Help is on the way for everyone who's experiencing these different bugs. 
I know that beta discussions aren't permitted here on the list, but I 
can tell you that things are being addressed and I imagine this should 
be ready for public release soon. You all will be quite pleased. I'm 
mainly posting this for those who are still on IOS 10.3.3 and aren't 
ready to upgrade just yet.



On 9/29/2017 8:36 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
In my case, the way I use my ipad mini 4, none of the bugs effect the 
way I use it.  I was lucky all of the apps I use are 64bit.


-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with 
battery drain, speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as 
responsive as ever and if by the notification bug you guys mean that 
notifications aren't read out aloud on the lock screen that for me is 
not such a big deal and I'm sure it gets fixed in time. I find there 
is just as much or more to like about iOS 11 than there is to complain 
about and I have already not kept any apps which didn't get updated to 
64 Bit, if you don't upgrade because you are holding on to some old 32 
bit app which hasn't been updated in years then you are just 
postponing the inevitable. But I completely agree that if you don't do 
well with putting up with a few bugs and work-arounds and prefer bugs 
you are used to to new ones then it's better to wait, after all, it's 
not like iOS 10 is bug-free.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Ann

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked 
in settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 
2 apps not compatible with IOS11.

SayColor and INote
Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.
But I'll wait to upgrade.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Davy Cuppens

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi Ann

That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are 
not compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.

Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Ann
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps 
on your phone:
go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap 
Will let you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.


-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Jed Barton

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait 
for sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.


On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't.


On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
errors.


On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like
over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use
to.  Any thoughts?

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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Russ Kiehne]

In my case, the way I use my ipad mini 4, none of the bugs effect the way I 
use it.  I was lucky all of the apps I use are 64bit.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with battery 
drain, speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as responsive as ever 
and if by the notification bug you guys mean that notifications aren't read 
out aloud on the lock screen that for me is not such a big deal and I'm sure 
it gets fixed in time. I find there is just as much or more to like about 
iOS 11 than there is to complain about and I have already not kept any apps 
which didn't get updated to 64 Bit, if you don't upgrade because you are 
holding on to some old 32 bit app which hasn't been updated in years then 
you are just postponing the inevitable. But I completely agree that if you 
don't do well with putting up with a few bugs and work-arounds and prefer 
bugs you are used to to new ones then it's better to wait, after all, it's 
not like iOS 10 is bug-free.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Ann

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps 
not compatible with IOS11.

SayColor and INote
Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.
But I'll wait to upgrade.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Davy Cuppens

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi Ann

That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.

Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Ann
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on 
your phone:
go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will let 
you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.


-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
Barton

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for 
sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.


On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't.


On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
errors.


On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like
over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use
to.  Any thoughts?

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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Ron Pelletier]

Jed,

Depends on you.  If you are not ready to deal with the bugs, its your choice.  
If you are the type of person who wants things to work correctly, wait.  
Accessibility bugs don't usually get solved until the .1 version because they 
are not top on their list.  If you don't like to mess with work arounds, you 
should wait for 11.1 which is not what came out yesterday.  That was 11.0.1  
Chances are they will end up going to 11.0.1 and 11.0.2 and 11.0.3 before they 
get to 11.1

Ron & Danvers


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From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for sure.  
Hopefully this will get fixed soon.

On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't.
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two 
>> cents.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> Old Dominion University
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling 
>> errors.
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of 
>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like 
>>> over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use 
>>> to.  Any thoughts?
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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with battery drain, 
speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as responsive as ever and if by 
the notification bug you guys mean that notifications aren't read out aloud on 
the lock screen that for me is not such a big deal and I'm sure it gets fixed 
in time. I find there is just as much or more to like about iOS 11 than there 
is to complain about and I have already not kept any apps which didn't get 
updated to 64 Bit, if you don't upgrade because you are holding on to some old 
32 bit app which hasn't been updated in years then you are just postponing the 
inevitable. But I completely agree that if you don't do well with putting up 
with a few bugs and work-arounds and prefer bugs you are used to to new ones 
then it's better to wait, after all, it's not like iOS 10 is bug-free.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ann
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps not 
compatible with IOS11.  
SayColor and INote
Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.  
But I'll wait to upgrade.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi Ann

That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.
Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Ann
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on your 
phone:
go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will let 
you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.

-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for sure.  
Hopefully this will get fixed soon.

On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't.
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two 
>> cents.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> Old Dominion University
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling 
>> errors.
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of 
>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like 
>>> over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use 
>>> to.  Any thoughts?
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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Ann]

Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps not 
compatible with IOS11.  
SayColor and INote
Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.  
But I'll wait to upgrade.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi Ann

That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.
Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Ann
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on your 
phone:
go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will let 
you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.

-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for sure.  
Hopefully this will get fixed soon.

On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't.
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two 
>> cents.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> Old Dominion University
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling 
>> errors.
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of 
>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like 
>>> over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use 
>>> to.  Any thoughts?
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[lenron brown]

I would search for apps that are 64 bit for sure. The bugs in IOS 11
make me think of when all those issues were going on with 8. The
battery drain is my biggest one. I refuse to upgrade phones until that
one is fixed. I am not buying a new phone to have that same problem.

On 9/28/17, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ann
>
> That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not
> compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.
> Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
> Regards
> Davy
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> From: Ann
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>
> I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on
> your phone:
> go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap
> Will let you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
> Barton
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>
> Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for
> sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.
>
> On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Don't.
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
>>> cents.
>>> Nancy
>>>
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Executive Director of Counseling
>>> Old Dominion University
>>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
>>> errors.
>>>
>>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
>>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like
>>>> over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use
>>>> to.  Any thoughts?
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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Regarding the sluggishness that is mentionned below, is anyone here who has 
already upgraded to IOS 11 seeing this slowness?  If so, with which phone?

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Davy 
Cuppens [davycupp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi Nancy

This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow
working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios
11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to
start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not
with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to
factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with
voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and
start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or
slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that
bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the
bugs, I DO!

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Nancy Badger
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
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> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like over-all
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Ann

That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.

Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Ann

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on 
your phone:

go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap
Will let you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.

-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
Barton

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for 
sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.


On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't.


On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
errors.


On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like
over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use
to.  Any thoughts?

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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Nancy

This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not 
with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to 
factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the 
bugs, I DO!


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Nancy Badger

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents.
Nancy

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Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.


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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Ann]

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on your 
phone:
go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap 
Will let you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.

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From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
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Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for sure.  
Hopefully this will get fixed soon.

On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't.
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two 
>> cents.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
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>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling 
>> errors.
>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like 
>>> over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use 
>>> to.  Any thoughts?
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

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Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait
for sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.

On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
> Don't.
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
>> cents.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> Old Dominion University
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
>> errors.
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like over-all
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Kelby Carlson]

Don't.


On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
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Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.


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OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Nancy Badger]

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
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Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like over-all
> it's working well but a few new little things to get use to.  Any
> thoughts?
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Davy Cuppens]

My advice: wait till a voiceover fix comes out.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Jed Barton

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:18 PM
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Subject: should i upgrade to ios11

Hey guys,

OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
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should i upgrade to ios11

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Hey guys,

OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
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