Re: Bladeless MiniTurbine Doodles

2005-08-07 Thread Frederick Sparber



Decimal point error correction for calculation of a MiniTurbine version of the
IAS Bladeless Turbine.


http://iaus.com/turbine.htm
The calculations show that about 3.2 (STP) liters/sec water vapor exitingthe rotor orificeswill produce about 20 electrical watts atabout 1.0% of 
theoretical efficiency (based on 2260 joule/gram contained in
the 0.72 grams of water vapor "propellent") compared to a Carnot efficiency of 1.5%
for the 5 K temperature difference.

Still not bad for a system that is scalable from milliwatts to megawatts.

Frederick







Re: Langmuirs paradox and ZPE

2005-08-07 Thread David Jonsson
On 7/30/05, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In reply to  David Jonsson's message of Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:17:16
 +0200:
 Hi,
 [snip]
 Hi
 
 I wonder if ZPE can be involved in the distribution of thermal motion
 of low density plasmas. These distributions are found to be of
 Maxwellian type even when collisions are too few to maintain the
 distribution. This is called the Langmuir paradox.
 [snip]
 How can they be too few to maintain the distribution? Even a
 single particle alone in a container will collide with the walls
 (where there are lots of particles).

God point. I think they mean magnetic bottle plasma confinement. Then
of course you could argue if thermal heat can be attributed to the
heat of the magnetic walls, their vibration.

I have heard of temperature of magnetic field (cold magnetic fields)
but never in any established contexts.

Could this be the explanation? Someone?

Maybe another clue is the inconsistency of talking of particle speed
and temperature interchangeably. If particles have temperature, then
waves should too. I should probably take a course in statistical
mechanics before asking more.

David



Fw: Hydrogen Green Fuel Comes A Step Closer

2005-08-07 Thread Nick Palmer




- Original Message - 
From: Nick 
Palmer 
To: John Coviello 
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: Hydrogen Green Fuel Comes A Step Closer

This process uses up the charcoal, which is 
partially oxidised wood, and ends up with hydrogen and CO2. I don't see that 
this is a great leap forward! The method of converting sand into silicon 
that was mentioned herea while back was far better to "transport" energy 
from solar energy "rich" areas.


Re: [OT] The myths of Hiroshima

2005-08-07 Thread Terry Blanton
 From: Harry Veeder 

 it was the Soviet Union's entry into the
 Pacific war on Aug. 8, two days after the Hiroshima bombing, that provided
 the final shock that led to Japan's capitulation.

This was likely one of the reasons for the bombs being dropped.  It delivered a 
message to the Soviet Union.



Re: Bladeless MiniTurbine Ala Hero

2005-08-07 Thread Frederick Sparber



Hmm. Slight jet modification and a hose hooked to the pressure cooker. :-)

http://www.redhillgeneralstore.com/A15854.htm

Frederick




Re: Bladeless MiniTurbine Ala Hero

2005-08-07 Thread Terry Blanton
 From: Frederick Sparber 

 Hmm. Slight jet modification and a hose hooked to the pressure cooker.  :-)
 
 http://www.redhillgeneralstore.com/A15854.htm

Ah, yes.  But this design concentrates on more thrust and less torque.   Nice 
colour, tho.



Michio Kaku on FTL Travel

2005-08-07 Thread Terry Blanton
He has many good articles. 

http://www.mkaku.org/articles/physics_of_space_travel.shtml

Excerpt:

The first realistic attempt to analyze extra-terrestrial civilizations from 
the point of view of the laws of physics and the laws of thermodynamics was by 
Russian astrophysicist Nicolai Kardashev. He based his ranking of possible 
civilizations on the basis of total energy output which could be quantified and 
used as a guide to explore the dynamics of advanced civilizations:

Type I: this civilization harnesses the energy output of an entire planet.

Type II: this civilization harnesses the energy output of a star, and generates 
about 10 billion times the energy output of a Type I civilization.

Type III: this civilization harnesses the energy output of a galaxy, or about 
10 billion time the energy output of a Type II civilization.

more



Hydraulic Jump

2005-08-07 Thread Grimer
I have been pondering the systemic resemblance between 
the phenomena of hot fusion/cold fusion and the phenomena 
of the hydraulic jump. The great thing about recognising 
the hierarchical nature of physical phenomena is that one 
can work from a level where it is clearly possible to see 
what is happening, to a level where there are only 
instrument readings as a guide. 

For the benefit of those Vortexians [very few I'm sure ;-) ] 
who may not know what a hydraulic jump is, I googled a 
definition. To my surprise the definition which came up 
was in terms of air rather than water, to wit,

 
   Hydraulic Jump
 A steady disturbance in the lee of a mountain, 
 where the airflow passing over the mountain 
 suddenly changes from a region of low depth and 
 high velocity to a region of high depth and 
 low velocity.
 

Still, since most Vorts are probably more familiar with 
mountains that I am, the above definition will do nicely.

As for the water case, there is an appropriate diagram 
of a hydraulic jump at,

 http://www.fao.org/docrep/X5744E/x5744eeo.gif

This diagram is rather fitting for this group since it 
shows a vortex as the transition between the two regions, 
viz. the high velocity region where the speed of the 
water is manifest, large scale and one dimensional and 
the region where the speed of the water is hidden, 
small scale and three dimensional. 

Now as a first approximation we may think of the 
deuterium in hot fusion as being in the high velocity 
low pressure state in contrast to cold fusion where the 
material is in a low velocity high pressure state. This 
will certainly give us the kind of bifurcation we are 
looking for. 

It was the natural thing is to start this way with the 
straightforward macro kinetic energy of nuclei flying 
around like gas molecules. But thinking about it more 
profoundly I realised that I had things the wrong way 
around.

The real action in taking place at a finer scale. 
It is vital to home in on the right level. One level 
up or down and every thing is reversed. Two levels up 
or down and you have things the right way round but 
you are hopelessly off target. It's no good jemmying 
the door on the fifth, third or second floor flat 
when the sparklers are on the fourth floor.

Now the most obviously relevant levels are electric 
and magnetic field/flux/flow. 

The electric field is analogous to the high depth low 
velocity state since for a charged particle the 
electric field is isotropic, i.e. the same in all 
directions.

The magnetic field is analogous to the low depth high 
velocity state since for a charged particle the magnetic 
field is most definitely non-isotropic.

So we can now see that not only does the Beta-atmosphere 
pressure drop inside the Fluid Phase (using the term 
Fluid Phase in the hierarchical sense defined in the 
SST paper) lead to a drop in the repulsive electric 
pressure between deuterium nuclei, but it also leads 
to a corresponding increase in the magnetic field 
strength - the magnetic flux/flow. 

Nuclei lined up anti-parallel will be attracted to 
each other - will fuse - with resulting release of 
mass energy.

Cheers,

Frank Grimer

  
  et resplenduit facies eius sicut sol
   



Re: Are Fluorescent light Bulbs OU ?

2005-08-07 Thread Jones Beene



Vortex is known to be "forward thinking"... most of the 
time. 

This particular thread from last month about "Fluorescent 
light Bulb OU" appears with a new twist this weekend on Slashdot, which picked 
up this MSNBC story on the fluorescent light that 
continues to glow for over an hour after it is turned-off...

Guess you would call it ..."light after death"  
;-)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8825455/
- Original Message - From: 
Frederick Sparber Mark Jordan wrote: Here is a 
copy/paste of a related message from the freenrg-l list:  
You might also be interested in knowing about the Imris' circuit (US 
patent #3,781,601):  http://tinyurl.com/9fc9f 
 Thanks, Mark.A single tube 4 foot - 40 watt 
fluorescent shop light with electronic ballast runs about 
$20.00at Lowes.These are probably operating between 40 to 60 KHz which 
allows plenty of time forthe atoms/molecules to collide at the estimated 
1,000 meter/sec Argon (6.64E-26 kg) and 500 meter/secMercury (3.32E-25 
kg) velocities (based on a 3000 K gas temperature.According to this 
collision calculator for Argon-Mercury or H2 (3.32E-27 kg) -Argon etc.,the 
Argon atom can gain a 50% increase in velocity from an elastic collision 
witha Mercury atom rebounding from a wall collision at - 500 
meter/second.If I didn't goof this would mean a 50% OU "kinetic energy" 
gain?http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/colsta.html#c4Not 
much advantage in going to Hydrogen-Mercury (3000 K H2 v = 5000 meter/sec) 
butthis doesn't square with the Double Ball Drop 
thing:http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/doubal.html" If 
a light ball like a ping-pong ball is dropped along with a heavy ball like a 
large superball, the small ball rebounds with a remarkably high velocity, 
theoretically approaching three times the velocity with which the balls strike 
the surface. The analysis involves the nature of head-on elastic collisions and 
in particular the case of a light projectile hitting a heavy target. Slingshot 
orbits used in space exploration have features in common with this situation 
even though the objects involved never touch each other."I probably 
ain't got my vectors added right. 
:-)Frederick


Re: Are Fluorescent light Bulbs OU ?

2005-08-07 Thread Jones Beene
One comment from the Slashdot thread - perhaps of interest to Jed 
Rothwell,


I have one [Fluorescent light Bulb which stays lit]  in my 
bedroom here in Japan for the last four years.


I t is a ring florescent tube that glows like a night light after 
the light goes out. The light is made by NEC and is called 
Hotarukku (a play on the word hotaru, which is Japanese for 
firefly).


It seems they launched the product in March 2000.
http://www.nelt.co.jp/navi/la_shg/fre_shg.htm

[nelt.co.jp] gives specs and has some pics showing the room lit 
with the light on and off.


Needless to say another bright idea from Japan...  (both 
corny and plagiarized)


Jones


BTW the active material appears to be **strontium**   this has 
potential implicatations for both the experiments of Harvey Norris 
and BLP. 



Re: Engine claims to recover low-grade and waste heat

2005-08-07 Thread Mike Carrell
From: Wesley Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Engine claims to recover low-grade and waste heat

snip



 The bigger loss with this linear motor design is that part of the
 combustion energy is wasted slowing, stopping and reversing the
 direction of the piston. There is also the possibility that thermal or
 mechanical shock could demagnetize the magnet.

If the coupling between the magnet and the surrounding coils is good, the
magnet could be nearly stopped by the first coil, but pushed on by the gas.
If the magnet approaches at high velocity, a high voltage is induced, and
energy is absorbed, slowing the magnet -- but not stopping it because the
induced voltage is reduced. finally the voltage will fall so low that the
coupling circuits will not work. For maximum efficiency neodydmium iron
magnets would be used which are very difficult to demagnetize. The device is
suppoised ot use low temperature, waste heaqt gas.

Mike Carrell









Re: Engine claims to recover low-grade and waste heat

2005-08-07 Thread Wesley Bruce
Thanks Mike in a that case they're onto something. We had a company in 
Brisbane with a pnumatic linear generator of similar design but they 
seem to have drifted from sound science to oblivion; the web sites gone. 
The fast way to kill a good engine is to claim you can tap ambient heat! 
They forgot to look up the laws of themodynamics again I guess.



Mike Carrell wrote:


From: Wesley Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Engine claims to recover low-grade and waste heat

snip


 


The bigger loss with this linear motor design is that part of the
combustion energy is wasted slowing, stopping and reversing the
direction of the piston. There is also the possibility that thermal or
mechanical shock could demagnetize the magnet.
   



If the coupling between the magnet and the surrounding coils is good, the
magnet could be nearly stopped by the first coil, but pushed on by the gas.
If the magnet approaches at high velocity, a high voltage is induced, and
energy is absorbed, slowing the magnet -- but not stopping it because the
induced voltage is reduced. finally the voltage will fall so low that the
coupling circuits will not work. For maximum efficiency neodydmium iron
magnets would be used which are very difficult to demagnetize. The device is
suppoised ot use low temperature, waste heaqt gas.

Mike Carrell
 




   






 





Re: Hydraulic Jump

2005-08-07 Thread RC Macaulay



Grimer wrote...
I have been pondering the systemic resemblance between the phenomena 
of hot fusion/cold fusion and the phenomena of the hydraulic jump. The great 
thing about recognising the hierarchical nature of physical phenomena is 
that one can work from a level where it is clearly possible to see what 
is happening, to a level where there are only instrument readings as a 
guide. 
Frank, the mention of the hydraulic jump took me back to page 300 of my 
favorite book on hydraulics by George Russell, Professor of Hydraulics , 
MIT, Oct 1941 and there it was !!!
Reading again of the phenomena brought to mind some interesting 
experiences in designing for large flume flow measurement and the havoc the HJ 
can play on an unsuspecting lad that wasn't listening carefully in class but 
later paid dearly for a first person education on the matter.
The profound importance of your observation of the CF/HF resemblance to 
the phenomena cannot be overemphasized. I didn't see it, I sensed it but elusive 
thoughts can play tricks on the meditative process so I discarded it. 
Thanks for the clue. One puzzle we have ishow tocut character 
into the mixing dispersal exit cone in order to create a pattern that 
properly directs the mixed oxidantwithin a non standard 
regime. BINGO !! IDEA !!!. Create a hydraulic jump to induce the 
desired shape of the liquid discharge pattern.
Hopefully ,your post may trigger another mind that has CF on the brain  
grin
Richard