[Vo]:Popular Science LENR Cold Fusion article and Forbes

[Ron Kita]

Greetings Vortex,

I saw in the William and Mary post that there is a  proposed 8 page article
on LENR Cold Fusion in Popular Science--Great

Also.  Where is Mark Gibbs of Forbes?

When the body of evidence is larger than everWhy is Forbes silent???

Actions speak louder than words.  Did Forbes ever have an agenda to present
the "Good News on LENR"or merely
be a Luddite and put sand in the gears???

Respectfully,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Doylestown PA

Re: [Vo]:Joke: What is the difference between Santa Claus and the Higgs Particle

[Alan Fletcher]

 > What is the difference between Santa Claus and the Higgs Particle
> 
> Santa Claus is "Real".
> Ron Kita, Chiralex
> A note on the Virtual:
> To describe the indescribable, what the Higgs Boson does is create a
> field of virtual particles that pop in and out of existence, and while
> they’re in existence those "virtual" particles provide mass to other
> particles that are able to interact with them.

http://littlefanpages.com/94588

A Higgs boson walks in to catholic church, the priest says' your kind aren't 
welcome here' and the higgs boson replies 'but without me there would be no 
mass'

vortex-l@eskimo.com

[Axil Axil]

The 1 MW plant is on the market. If you want data, you need money.


*Dear Antonella:
You are right, anybody can buy a 1 MW plant and make all the tests he wants
and obviously anybody is free to give information to anybody regarding a
property of his.
Warm Regards,
A.R.*


On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Akira Shirakawa
>  wrote:
> > On 2012-07-04 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> >
> >> I do not know why it is #12
> >
> >
> > Maybe 12 stands for 2012 ?
> >
> > By the way, I posted here to point that apparently a Popular Science
> writer
> > was there and will be doing a 4000 words feature story.
> >
> > Source:
> >
> http://pesn.com/2012/07/07/9602127_Jim_Dunns_Report_on_LENR_conference_in_Williamsburg/
>
> "Unfortunately, very few people believe Rossi is being honest and
> forthright.  He is gradually losing his followers and admirers. He
> needs to promptly show some actual test data, and pictures of the 20
> supposed 600C test units."
>
> Scummed to the Man w/ the $$$.
>
> :-)
>
> T
>
>

vortex-l@eskimo.com

[Terry Blanton]

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Akira Shirakawa
 wrote:
> On 2012-07-04 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>> I do not know why it is #12
>
>
> Maybe 12 stands for 2012 ?
>
> By the way, I posted here to point that apparently a Popular Science writer
> was there and will be doing a 4000 words feature story.
>
> Source:
> http://pesn.com/2012/07/07/9602127_Jim_Dunns_Report_on_LENR_conference_in_Williamsburg/

"Unfortunately, very few people believe Rossi is being honest and
forthright.  He is gradually losing his followers and admirers. He
needs to promptly show some actual test data, and pictures of the 20
supposed 600C test units."

Scummed to the Man w/ the $$$.

:-)

T

vortex-l@eskimo.com

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-07-04 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote:


I do not know why it is #12


Maybe 12 stands for 2012 ?

By the way, I posted here to point that apparently a Popular Science 
writer was there and will be doing a 4000 words feature story.


Source: 
http://pesn.com/2012/07/07/9602127_Jim_Dunns_Report_on_LENR_conference_in_Williamsburg/


Cheers,
S.A.

RE: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

So Guenter,

 

Why would seriously challenging you worldview worry you?  Wouldn’t you prefer 
the truth, even if it completely decimates your worldview?  As a 
scientist/engineer, I want to know what *IS*, not what happens to agree with my 
current understanding of what is…

 

-Mark

 

From: Guenter Wildgruber [mailto:gwildgru...@ymail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:50 PM
To: Peter Gluck
Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations

 

Peter,

somehow I missed that.

Anyway.

200 degC would be quite something.

400degC would be disruptive.

>600degC earth-shattering.

 

A range where I am having some conceptual difficulties with.

Presumably theory also.

But this is commonsensical extrapolation from my side,without any firm ground, 
I must confess.

 

As stated, such a simple parameter like temperature could seriously challenge 
my worldview, which worries me somehow, but I do not reject it out of hand.

 

We will see.

 

all the best

Guenter

 

  _  

Von: Peter Gluck 
An: Guenter Wildgruber  
CC: "vortex-l@eskimo.com"  
Gesendet: 20:27 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012
Betreff: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations

 

Dear Guenter,

 

Nothing easier- if you make a Google Search for "Defkalion 650C" or a search on 
their Forum for 650C you will find tens of links. It was also written at Mats's 
Nyteknik.

 

An example from many: 

 

Real news from Defkalion « nickelpower 

nickelpower.org/2012/03/26/real-news-from-defkalion/

26 Mar 2012 – Rossi is a “one-man-band” and Defkalion has 27 scientists.  
they say that they reactor work until 650C (limit of bare rector test) and 
according .

 

I had a cognitive shock- what they have is a process different

from Piantelli's based on preformed nanoclusters. Those clusters are destroyed 
fast over 400C.

There are many implications but I don't think we have to change our 
world/science views.

And now Rossi re-discovers this high temperature process.

Progress!

 

Peter

 

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Guenter Wildgruber  
wrote:

Dear Peter,  obviously I missed this one,

Could You provide a link?

 

The temperature issue obviously is a very central one, and, I must confess, 
contradicts my theories of the inner working of the e-cat/Hyperion, which is 
somewhat like a random heating up on several locations.

If this would be the case , those random heat-centers (estimated >>1000degC)  
would be self-annihilate by melting.

 

Ofcourse we are theoretizing on this issue, but controllability in the 650degC 
domain would indicate that the process is quite homogenous, and not sporadicly 
dispersed over say 1-10 um2 heat centers- as I up to now hypothesized, on 
hopefully realistic grounds.

 

But maybe this is only my worldview, which crumbles.

 

If this would be the case, it would indicate that this is a VERY benign 
process, and, I must confess, I would -as said- have to rework my entire 
worldview, which is based on randomness and the universe's indifference to our 
human desires at large. (hope this is understandable)

 

I am not ready for that.

Therefore I remain sceptical. LENR: Yes. 

Saving us from our follies - or extending them: No.

 

All the best

Guenter

 

  _  

Von: Peter Gluck 
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Gesendet: 15:19 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012
Betreff: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations

 

Dear Axil

I agree- however DGTG started to speak about temperatures over 650 C from 
February this year, so if somebody has invented LENR ++- it was Defkalion.

peter

 





 

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck

Cluj, Romania

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com  

 

 

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations

[Guenter Wildgruber]

Peter,
somehow I missed that.
Anyway.
200 degC would be quite something.

400degC would be disruptive.
>600degC earth-shattering.

A range where I am having some conceptual difficulties with.
Presumably theory also.
But this is commonsensical extrapolation from my side,without any firm ground, 
I must confess.


As stated, such a simple parameter like temperature could seriously challenge 
my worldview, which worries me somehow, but I do not reject it out of hand.

We will see.

all the best
Guenter




 Von: Peter Gluck 
An: Guenter Wildgruber  
CC: "vortex-l@eskimo.com"  
Gesendet: 20:27 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012
Betreff: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
 

Dear Guenter,

Nothing easier- if you make a Google Search for "Defkalion 650C" or a search on 
their Forum for 650C you will find tens of links. It was also written at Mats's 
Nyteknik.

An example from many: 

Real news from Defkalion « nickelpower 
nickelpower.org/2012/03/26/real-news-from-defkalion/
26 Mar 2012 – Rossi is a “one-man-band” and Defkalion has 27 scientists.  
they say that they reactor work until 650C (limit of bare rector test) and 
according .

I had a cognitive shock- what they have is a process different
from Piantelli's based on preformed nanoclusters. Those clusters are destroyed 
fast over 400C.
There are many implications but I don't think we have to change our 
world/science views.
And now Rossi re-discovers this high temperature process.
Progress!

Peter

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Guenter Wildgruber  
wrote:

Dear Peter,  obviously I missed this one,
>Could You provide a link?
>
>
>The temperature issue obviously is a very central one, and, I must confess, 
>contradicts my theories of the inner working of the e-cat/Hyperion, which is 
>somewhat like a random heating up on several locations.
>If this would be the case , those random heat-centers (estimated >>1000degC)  
>would be self-annihilate by melting.
>
>
>Ofcourse we are theoretizing on this issue, but controllability in the 650degC 
>domain would indicate that the process is quite homogenous, and not sporadicly 
>dispersed over say 1-10 um2 heat centers- as I up to now hypothesized, on 
>hopefully realistic grounds.
>
>
>But maybe this is only my worldview, which crumbles.
>
>
>
>If this would be the case, it would indicate that this is a VERY benign 
>process, and, I must confess, I would -as said- have to rework my entire 
>worldview, which is based on randomness and the universe's indifference to our 
>human desires at large. (hope this is understandable)
>
>
>
>I am not ready for that.
>Therefore I remain sceptical. LENR: Yes. 
>
>Saving us from our follies - or extending them: No.
>
>
>
>All the best
>Guenter
>
>
>
>
> Von: Peter Gluck 
>An: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
>Gesendet: 15:19 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012
>Betreff: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
> 
>
>
>Dear Axil
>I agree- however DGTG started to speak about temperatures over 650 C from 
>February this year, so if somebody has invented LENR ++- it was Defkalion.
>peter
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Harry Veeder]

Santa merges with Bozo the Clown

http://youtu.be/W1QocuhhXK4

Harry

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Michele Comitini
 wrote:
> I agree. AFAIK Santa existence is still sponsored by toy industry.
> As much as the Santa Claus TM helps selling toys to kids, so much the
> Santa  Boson TM is used to help raising funds among politicians.
>
> mic
>
> 2012/7/7 Akira Shirakawa :
>> On 2012-07-07 21:27, Susanna Gipp wrote:
>>>
>>> Nice speculation.
>>> More or less is like to speculate on the possible impacts to the toy
>>> industry if Santa Claus is real.
>>
>>
>> As Jed noted, what's interesting is not the content, but rather the venue.
>> The Journal of Petroleum Technology [1] where this article got published is
>> a reputable publication in its field, from what I gather.
>>
>> By the way, it apparently got linked on ECW by one of its authors, Steve
>> Jacobs. They appear to take this matter seriously (co-author David Nagel
>> certainly does. You might have read about him if you followed LENR-related
>> news over the past years). Your Santa Claus reference is inappropriate.
>>
>>> “I am from the petroleum industry and LENR is now being watched closely.
>>> An article was just published in the July Journal of Petroleum Technology. I
>>> authored it. LENR is definitely on the radar.”
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> S.A.
>>
>> [1] http://www.jptonline.org/
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Harry Veeder]

Someday this might be a common mode of personal transport.
http://www.base24.com/

harry

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson  wrote:
>
>>
>> For me personally, as I was "flipping" through the pages of this "digital"
>> publication on my monitor screen I began to realize how ridiculous this
>> contrived use of technology was being used for. It was being used in such a
>> half-assed way. There is absolutely no valid reason to try to continue
>> mimicking the illusion of flipping through individual pages on a monitor
>> screen -
>
>
> Some of the early word processors imitated a typewriter, only allowing you
> to add text at the bottom. You had to scroll down the page to make
> corrections.
>
> New technology usually imitates the old, even when it would be easier not
> to. Early clay baskets were often made to look as if they were woven, which
> must have taken a lot of work. I discussed this in Chapter 7 of my book.
>
> In that same chapter I discussed Christensen's book, which I highly
> recommend. I have been in contact with Prof. C. from time to time about cold
> fusion.
>
> - Jed
>

Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-07-07 17:38, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:


I did! Thanks. Akira. As both you and Jed Rothwell point out there is
the light weight HTML version, which was a lot easier to access.  [...]


I think the probable reason why the "flashy" version was made that way 
is because it's not much more than a digital "dump" of the printed 
issue. It's provided for convenience and additional public reach but 
it's not really meant to be read on a pc.


An edition specifically intended for online consumption would have 
probably been laid out differently.


Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Michele Comitini]

I agree. AFAIK Santa existence is still sponsored by toy industry.
As much as the Santa Claus TM helps selling toys to kids, so much the
Santa  Boson TM is used to help raising funds among politicians.

mic

2012/7/7 Akira Shirakawa :
> On 2012-07-07 21:27, Susanna Gipp wrote:
>>
>> Nice speculation.
>> More or less is like to speculate on the possible impacts to the toy
>> industry if Santa Claus is real.
>
>
> As Jed noted, what's interesting is not the content, but rather the venue.
> The Journal of Petroleum Technology [1] where this article got published is
> a reputable publication in its field, from what I gather.
>
> By the way, it apparently got linked on ECW by one of its authors, Steve
> Jacobs. They appear to take this matter seriously (co-author David Nagel
> certainly does. You might have read about him if you followed LENR-related
> news over the past years). Your Santa Claus reference is inappropriate.
>
>> “I am from the petroleum industry and LENR is now being watched closely.
>> An article was just published in the July Journal of Petroleum Technology. I
>> authored it. LENR is definitely on the radar.”
>
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
> [1] http://www.jptonline.org/
>

[Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nano-carbon LENRs

[pagnucco]

Lattice Energy LLC recently posted a new presentation reviewing evidence
for LENRs in carbon nanostructures:

LENRs on Hydrogenated Fullerenes and Graphene-July 6 2012
http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llclenrs-on-hydrogenated-fullerenes-and-graphenejuly-6-2012

Especially interesting since carbon supports ballistic current at high
temperatures. Slide 26 cites this intriguing paper:

Macroscopic Transport of Mega-ampere Electron Currents in Aligned
Carbon-Nanotube ArraysPhys. Rev. Lett. 108, 235005 (2012)
http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i23/e235005
ABSTRACT: "We demonstrate that aligned carbon-nanotube arrays are
efficient transporters of laser-generated mega-ampere electron currents
over distances as large as a millimeter. A direct polarimetric measurement
of the temporal and the spatial evolution of the megagauss magnetic fields
(as high as 120 MG) at the target rear at an intensity of
(10^18–10^19)W/cm2 was corroborated by the rear-side hot electron spectra.
Simulations show that such high magnetic flux densities can only be
generated by a very well collimated fast electron bunch."


A couple of interesting nanotech papers (not cited):

Quantum statistical model for superconducting phase in graphene and nanotubes
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0903.0701.pdf

ABSTRACT: A quantum statistical theory is presented, supporting a
superconducting state of an ultrahigh critical temperature (1275 K) in the
multiwalled nanotubes reported by Zhao and Beeli [Phys. Rev.B 77, 245433
(2008)].


Patent application title: NANOGAP DEVICE FOR FIELD ENHANCEMENT AND A
SYSTEM FOR NANOPARTICLE DETECTION USING THE SAME
www.google.com/patents/US20110220799.pdf

ITEM[40] -- "...it is possible to reduce a critical dimension with respect
to a wavelength to maximally lambda/10,000. This is enormous focusing
degree of one hundred million times the intensity or energy of the
electromagnetic wave.

Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-07-07 21:27, Susanna Gipp wrote:

Nice speculation.
More or less is like to speculate on the possible impacts to the toy
industry if Santa Claus is real.


As Jed noted, what's interesting is not the content, but rather the 
venue. The Journal of Petroleum Technology [1] where this article got 
published is a reputable publication in its field, from what I gather.


By the way, it apparently got linked on ECW by one of its authors, Steve 
Jacobs. They appear to take this matter seriously (co-author David Nagel 
certainly does. You might have read about him if you followed 
LENR-related news over the past years). Your Santa Claus reference is 
inappropriate.



“I am from the petroleum industry and LENR is now being watched closely. An 
article was just published in the July Journal of Petroleum Technology. I 
authored it. LENR is definitely on the radar.”


Cheers,
S.A.

[1] http://www.jptonline.org/

Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Jed Rothwell]

OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson  wrote:


> For me personally, as I was "flipping" through the pages of this "digital"
> publication on my monitor screen I began to realize how ridiculous this
> contrived use of technology was being used for. It was being used in such a
> half-assed way. There is absolutely no valid reason to try to continue
> mimicking the illusion of flipping through individual pages on a monitor
> screen -
>

Some of the early word processors imitated a typewriter, only allowing you
to add text at the bottom. You had to scroll down the page to make
corrections.

New technology usually imitates the old, even when it would be easier not
to. Early clay baskets were often made to look as if they were woven, which
must have taken a lot of work. I discussed this in Chapter 7 of my book.

In that same chapter I discussed Christensen's book, which I highly
recommend. I have been in contact with Prof. C. from time to time about
cold fusion.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Susanna Gipp]

Nice speculation.
More or less is like to speculate on the possible impacts to the toy
industry if Santa Claus is real.

Cheers
Suz

2012/7/7 Akira Shirakawa 

> Hello group,
> This is via E-Cat World [1].
>
> Follow this link:
> http://www.**mydigitalpublication.com/**publication/?i=116298
>
> Click "Contents" on the tool bar above, then page 18. Title is:
> Guest Editorial - On the Precipice of a New Energy Source?
>
> Enjoy your read,
> S.A.
>
> [1] http://www.e-catworld.com/**2012/07/editorial-in-oil-**
> industry-trade-magazine-**focuses-on-lenr-threat/
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Eric Walker]

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Akira Shirakawa
wrote:

Lightweight html-only version for the bandwidth challenged:

http://www.**mydigitalpublication.com//**display_article.php?id=1104768
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>

Out of curiosity, I took a look at the flashier version of the article.  I
think they might have paid a lot for a gimmick intended to leave an
impression on people.  Ultimately, though, serious readers will prefer a
simple presentation without too many bells and whistles; too much
slickness, and especially the poorly executed variety, can
easily interfere with what you're trying to communicate.

I like their reference to the whaling industry.  That is one possible way
to understand what could happen to the petroleum industry if LENR can be
profitably commercialized.  Other models are the publishing industry and
the recording industry.  There are similarities between each as well as
differences.  In this regard I wonder whether the authors have understand
their target audience; it is plausible that if confronted with a serious
challenge, the types of plans the oil industry would develop would center
more on the courtroom than on adapting to the new technological reality.
 In addition the industry might try to move up the chain into
higher-quality niches and leave LENR to home-heating and mobile power
generation markets, not appreciating that these would just be the entry
points.  Clayton Christensen, a well-known business professor, has
formulated an interesting explanation about how businesses that are
dominant in a market and staffed with competent people making rational,
defensible decisions, can lose their dominant position in a brief period of
time.  Somehow the organizations choose to ignore the impending threat, or
they are aware of it but are unable to come up with an adequate response.

The description of LENR in the article did a poor job of separating fact
from theory and conjecture.  I think those of us involved in popularizing
LENR are largely to blame for this.

Eric

[Vo]:Joke: What is the difference between Santa Claus and the Higgs Particle

[Ron Kita]

Greetings Vortex-l:

What is the difference between Santa Claus and the Higgs Particle

Santa Claus is "Real".

Ron Kita, Chiralex
A note on the Virtual:
To describe the indescribable, what the Higgs Boson does is create a field
of virtual particles that pop in and out of existence, and while they’re in
existence those "virtual" particles provide mass to other particles that
are able to interact with them.

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Guenter,

Nothing easier- if you make a Google Search for "Defkalion 650C" or a
search on their Forum for 650C you will find tens of links. It was also
written at Mats's Nyteknik.

An example from many:

Real news from Defkalion « nickelpower
nickelpower.org/2012/03/26/real-news-from-defkalion/
26 Mar 2012 – Rossi is a “one-man-band” and Defkalion has 27 scientists.
 they say that they reactor work until 650C (limit of bare rector test)
and according .

I had a cognitive shock- what they have is a process different
from Piantelli's based on preformed nanoclusters. Those clusters are
destroyed fast over 400C.
There are many implications but I don't think we have to change our
world/science views.
And now Rossi re-discovers this high temperature process.
Progress!

Peter

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Guenter Wildgruber wrote:

> Dear Peter,  obviously I missed this one,
> Could You provide a link?
>
> The temperature issue obviously is a very central one, and, I must
> confess, contradicts my theories of the inner working of the
> e-cat/Hyperion, which is somewhat like a random heating up on several
> locations.
> If this would be the case , those random heat-centers (estimated
> >>1000degC)  would be self-annihilate by melting.
>
> Ofcourse we are theoretizing on this issue, but controllability in the
> 650degC domain would indicate that the process is quite homogenous, and not
> sporadicly dispersed over say 1-10 um2 heat centers- as I up to now
> hypothesized, on hopefully realistic grounds.
>
> But maybe this is only my worldview, which crumbles.
>
> If this would be the case, it would indicate that this is a VERY benign
> process, and, I must confess, I would -as said- have to rework my entire
> worldview, which is based on randomness and the universe's indifference to
> our human desires at large. (hope this is understandable)
>
> I am not ready for that.
> Therefore I remain sceptical. LENR: Yes.
> Saving us from our follies - or extending them: No.
>
> All the best
> Guenter
>
>   --
> *Von:* Peter Gluck 
> *An:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Gesendet:* 15:19 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012
> *Betreff:* Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
>
> Dear Axil
> I agree- however DGTG started to speak about temperatures over 650 C from
> February this year, so if somebody has invented LENR ++- it was Defkalion.
> peter
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Close!
Mass Ascention...

-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 9:35 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons

a mass uprising?

harry

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 2:08 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint 
wrote:
> Oh come on... just one more?
>
> What do you call an elevator going up filled with Higgs bosons?
>
> -m
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons

[Harry Veeder]

Good one. I shared this on facebook.
Harry

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> 2012 and the type 13 planets:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDKo7pTwIwA
>
> Quit looking!
>

Re: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons

[Harry Veeder]

a mass uprising?

harry

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 2:08 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint  wrote:
> Oh come on... just one more?
>
> What do you call an elevator going up filled with Higgs bosons?
>
> -m
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations

[Guenter Wildgruber]

Dear Peter,  obviously I missed this one,
Could You provide a link?

The temperature issue obviously is a very central one, and, I must confess, 
contradicts my theories of the inner working of the e-cat/Hyperion, which is 
somewhat like a random heating up on several locations.
If this would be the case , those random heat-centers (estimated >>1000degC)  
would be self-annihilate by melting.

Ofcourse we are theoretizing on this issue, but controllability in the 650degC 
domain would indicate that the process is quite homogenous, and not sporadicly 
dispersed over say 1-10 um2 heat centers- as I up to now hypothesized, on 
hopefully realistic grounds.

But maybe this is only my worldview, which crumbles.


If this would be the case, it would indicate that this is a VERY benign 
process, and, I must confess, I would -as said- have to rework my entire 
worldview, which is based on randomness and the universe's indifference to our 
human desires at large. (hope this is understandable)


I am not ready for that.
Therefore I remain sceptical. LENR: Yes. 

Saving us from our follies - or extending them: No.


All the best
Guenter



 Von: Peter Gluck 
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Gesendet: 15:19 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012
Betreff: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
 

Dear Axil
I agree- however DGTG started to speak about temperatures over 650 C from 
February this year, so if somebody has invented LENR ++- it was Defkalion.
peter

Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Harry Veeder]

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
 wrote:

>
> Eventually, as ebooks become more ubiquitous, these ridiculous vestigial
> throw-back visual aids will go away. The younger generation will not care
> since most of what they read will be in electronic format.
>

Maybe, but I would like an ebook made with epaper. It would be
similiar to an artist's sketch book which consists of blank pages.

Harry

RE: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

>From Akira:

 

>   
> http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=116298

> 

> Click "Contents" on the tool bar above, then page 18. Title is:

> Guest Editorial - On the Precipice of a New Energy Source?

> 

> Enjoy your read,

> S.A.

> 

>  
> 
>  
> http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/editorial-in-oil-industry-trade-magazine-focuses-on-lenr-threat/

 

I did! Thanks. Akira. As both you and Jed Rothwell point out there is the light 
weight HTML version, which was a lot easier to access. 

 

> http://www.mydigitalpublication.com//display_article.php?id=1104768 
>  

 

These days I have a dual monitor quad core workstation that I use at home. I 
was able to load the full-feature publication on one of my monitor screens. As 
I was "Flipping" through the pages it reminded me of the old Gopher days. Some 
on the Vort list may still remember Gopher. It was one of the ways we accessed 
files via FTP on the internet before Mosaic came along. Mosaic was considered 
the first recognized web browser when it hit the scene back in the 1990s. Back 
then I wuz working at University of Wisconsin, Division of Information 
Technology, developing and loading university course descriptions by generating 
primitive static HTML files through the use of CGI and PERL scripts.

 

For me personally, as I was "flipping" through the pages of this "digital" 
publication on my monitor screen I began to realize how ridiculous this 
contrived use of technology was being used for. It was being used in such a 
half-assed way. There is absolutely no valid reason to try to continue 
mimicking the illusion of flipping through individual pages on a monitor screen 
- as if to give the reader some contrived sense of familiarity and comfort. 
This is like trying to "pill” you dog or cat with medication that you think 
they will refuse if they were actually allowed to see and taste the "pill" for 
what it actually is - MEDICATION. In a sense, they are insulting the 
intelligence of their readers by assuming they simply can't deal with reading 
publications in a more direct & authentic digital format.

 

Eventually, as ebooks become more ubiquitous, these ridiculous vestigial 
throw-back visual aids will go away. The younger generation will not care since 
most of what they read will be in electronic format.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

www.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks

 

RE: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons

[Jones Beene]

Let's go back to the busload of Higgs bosons ...

Sitting bull :)





-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

Oh come on... just one more?

What do you call an elevator going up filled with Higgs bosons?

-m

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Axil
I agree- however DGTG started to speak about temperatures over 650 C from
February this year, so if somebody has invented LENR ++- it was Defkalion.
peter

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Extending on Peter Gluck’s concept of LENR+  as a supplemented LENR
> design, I offer to classify this new Rossi design as a LENR++ design.
>
>
> DGT LENR+ technology has been superseded by Rossi’s new LERN++ design. I
> will wait for this new Rossi device to be commercially available for home
> use before I make a buying decision on my own personal LENR unit.
>
>
> Cheers:   Axil
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM, David Roberson  wrote:
>
>>  This new information is the major reason for my post.  The control is
>> now far superior if the recent reports are accurate.
>>
>> The actual operating temperature of the core internally is not different
>> unless it can now be elevated without danger of thermal run away, and if
>> the process is totally under control of something as simple as an electric
>> current then he has a much improved device.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: Axil Axil 
>> To: vortex-l 
>> Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:12 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
>>
>>  In the old style E-Cat core, the flow of coolant water was the way the
>> E-Cat heat production process was controlled. Water flow was increased to
>> retard the reaction, and conversely water flow was retarded to increase the
>> reaction.
>> On the other hand, the DGT core is also thermionic. DGT turns the
>> reaction off and on to produce a pulsed heat source where heat generation
>> is averaged over a period of time.
>>
>> Because the reaction mechanism is no longer thermionic, there is no
>> coolant involved, electric control alone can regulate the reaction in the
>> E-Cat core. In the new solid state E-Cat design,a steady flow of input
>> electric current results in a steady level of direct output of heat
>> production.
>> The elimination of thermionic control is major progress made possible by
>> the design of the solid state E-Cat, IMHO.
>>
>> Cheers:   Axil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
>>
>>> I just want to remind people that the claimed operating temperature of
>>> 600C is not new. When Rossi presented the ecat in Jan 2011, he said
>>> the core would reach temperatures around 600C, but the heated water
>>> only just boiled. Now he claims the core is  stable at 600C but he is
>>> not doing anything with the generated heat. Is this progress or
>>> puffery?
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:56 PM, David Roberson 
>>> wrote:
>>>  > Recently it has been reported that the latest version of the Rossi
>>> ECAT can
>>> > operate at 600 degrees centigrade or more without going unstable.
>>>  This is a
>>> > remarkable improvement if accurate and it is suggested that the proof
>>> will
>>> > be delivered soon.
>>> > The earlier versions of the device tended to become unstable when the
>>> > temperature increased much beyond the operational level and now that
>>> appears
>>> > to be under control.  To operate in such a manner suggests that the
>>> > mechanism which establishes the LENR activity is mostly independent of
>>> > temperature of the device.  Actually it might imply that now there is
>>> a form
>>> > of negative feedback operating which tends to throttle back the energy
>>> > generation process once a threshold temperature is reached.
>>> > I have long hoped that the driver source could become independent of
>>> the
>>> > output states in LENR devices since that would devoice the devices
>>> from the
>>> > strong temperature effects that have made stability a big problem to
>>> contend
>>> > with.   Imagine how wonderful it will be if we are able to control the
>>> > reaction by just changing the drive with minor temperature
>>> degradations.
>>> > There has been a lot of recent activity related to carbon nanotubes and
>>> > variation in the waveforms driving the LENR devices.  Perhaps Rossi has
>>> > found a good combination of hydrogen storage with release control and
>>> an
>>> > electrical signal that work together as a system.  Time will reveal if
>>> all
>>> > or any of this is true.
>>> > Maybe someone within the group has knowledge of the operation of the
>>> > Patterson cells which seemed to use an electric current as the control
>>> > handle.  Was that device sensitive to temperature in the manner
>>> associated
>>> > with positive feedback or more benign as would be expected if negative
>>> > feedback were dominate?
>>> > I for one would welcome the improvements in the Rossi device that have
>>> been
>>> > outlined, but have learned from experience that it is easy to say
>>> something
>>> > remarkable but then not follow up with the goods.  Perhaps this time
>>> we will
>>> > see the results that we so much anticipate.
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Jed Rothwell]

> Lightweight html-only version for the bandwidth challenged:
> http://www.**mydigitalpublication.com//**display_article.php?id=1104768



This version is easier to access.

The content is nothing to write home about but the venue is remarkable.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-07-07 12:08, Akira Shirakawa wrote:

Hello group,


Lightweight html-only version for the bandwidth challenged:
http://www.mydigitalpublication.com//display_article.php?id=1104768

Cheers,
S.A.

[Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Akira Shirakawa]

Hello group,
This is via E-Cat World [1].

Follow this link:
http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=116298

Click "Contents" on the tool bar above, then page 18. Title is:
Guest Editorial - On the Precipice of a New Energy Source?

Enjoy your read,
S.A.

[1] 
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/editorial-in-oil-industry-trade-magazine-focuses-on-lenr-threat/