[Vo]:A glueball may have been discovered

[Axil Axil]

A glueball may have been discovered


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E(38)_boson

http://cft.fis.uc.pt/eef/stronghiggs.htm

Very recently, I found extremely clear evidence
in photon-photon (γγ) data,
more than 13σ (5σ is considered enough),
for the existence of a very light boson in existing data:

The E(38) is a new nuclear particle that has not been discovered before
because of its very small interaction with normal matter.
However it has recently been identified by me in high-energy processes,
because at such energies also heavy fundamental particles, like the top
quark, play their role.


I have published this result together with my collaborator George Rupp from
the Technical University of Lisbon.
I suspected the existence of such light fundamental particle for three
decades and found in the past already several miniscule signs of it in
experimental data which were obtained at large acellerator laboratories and
published in scientific journals.

Recently, I discovered a clear sign of the E(38) in data obtained
by the COMPASS Collaboration at CERN.

==
Could this particle be a soliton or a monopole?

Eef van Beveren will have problems with the community of high energy
particle physics that LENR researchers know so well. This particle just
does not fit into their plans.

Re: [Vo]:swellings protons and fusion

[Harry Veeder]

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:48 PM,  wrote:

> I calculate them. If you have access to a windows machine, you can
> download the
> program from http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Isotopes.zip (if it doesn't
> work,
> please let me know ;)
> (Elements beyond Uranium are excluded).
>

Sorry, It didn't work.
First  there is an "Unhandled exception" error, then I choose
"continue" and it doesn't work.

harry

Re: [Vo]:What does hopfion mean ?

[Harry Veeder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wuTyPEpJ0g

Harry


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>
> The macro version appears to be a Rodin coil
>
> http://peswiki.com/images/5/5a/Rodin_coil_torus_jp70.jpg
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Blanton?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot
>
> Axil Axil  wrote:
> http://hopfion.com/
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

[mixent]

In reply to  Edmund Storms's message of Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:03:19 -0600:
Hi Ed,
[snip]

BTW, next time you detect T, check the half-life. ;)

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

[mixent]

In reply to  Edmund Storms's message of Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:03:19 -0600:
Hi Ed,
[snip]
>Instead, I have decided  
>to use my time testing the ideas. 

An excellent idea.


>If the tests are successful, then we  
>can talk again.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

[Eric Walker]

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:

Very funny, Eric. If I have, it's not for the lack of looking.
>
> Ed
>

I joke, but I really do appreciate the sources and will enjoy reading them.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

[Edmund Storms]

Very funny, Eric. If I have, it's not for the lack of looking.

Ed

On Jun 18, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Edmund Storms  
 wrote:


Eric, Tom Passel is not the only source of information. If you want  
to make a useful conclusion, I suggest you read the following papers  
where tritium was detected.


Ed

1.Bertalot, L., et al. Analysis of tritium and heat  
excess in electrochemical cells with Pd cathodes. in Second Annual  
Conference on Cold Fusion, "The Science of Cold Fusion". 1991. Como,  
Italy: Societa Italiana di Fisica, Bologna, Italy. p. 3.



These will be interesting to read.  I hope you haven't left anything  
out.


Eric

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

[Eric Walker]

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:

Eric, Tom Passel is not the only source of information. If you want to make
> a useful conclusion, I suggest you read the following papers where tritium
> was detected.
>
> Ed
>
> 1.Bertalot, L., et al. *Analysis of tritium and heat excess
> in electrochemical cells with Pd cathodes*. in *Second Annual Conference
> on Cold Fusion, "The Science of Cold Fusion"*. 1991. Como, Italy: Societa
> Italiana di Fisica, Bologna, Italy. p. 3.
>

These will be interesting to read.  I hope you haven't left anything out.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:What does hopfion mean ?

[Axil Axil]

Connecting some dots...

I believe that the “hot spot” produced by the nanoantenna is a hopfion of
infrared photons formed into a soliton, The electric field  produced by
this optical hopfion is a monopole.

http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Soliton

Monopoles fields exist inside subatomic particles and keep quarks confined.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1211.0888v1.pdf


A 3D soliton is a magnetic monopole
http://www.slideserve.com/darrell/solitons-from-kinks-to-magnetic-monopoles

Is there a connection between quark confinement and magnetic monopoles in
the hot spot?





On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Daniel Rocha  wrote:

> What is claimed in that website it is soliton, that is, self contained
> field solution, which has the structure of a hopf fibration:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopf_fibration
>
> So, since it is like a particle, they wrote hopfion...
>
>
> 2013/6/18 Jones Beene 
>
>>
>> The macro version appears to be a Rodin coil
>>
>> http://peswiki.com/images/5/5a/Rodin_coil_torus_jp70.jpg
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Terry Blanton?
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot
>>
>> Axil Axil  wrote:
>> http://hopfion.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Rocha - RJ
> danieldi...@gmail.com
>

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

[Edmund Storms]

Paul, I have the same speculation as I have said and published many  
times based on a comprehensive model.  I have predicted that the e-Cat  
does not make energy by the Ni+p=Cu reaction, but by formation of  
deuterium.  I have asked often for tests be made for this nuclear  
product. So far, there has been no response.


Ed
On Jun 18, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Paul Breed wrote:


Ed,
>4.) When the isotopes are H, the nuclear product is still unknown

Any speculation?
My speculation would be D




On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Edmund Storms  
 wrote:
Robin, you need to acknowledge what actually is observed rather than  
what you think should happen.  We are witnessing a novel process  
that has several basic characteristics, which are:


1. Hydrogen isotopes can come together in a material to make a  
fusion product without emitting the nuclear energy as energetic  
particles.

2. When the isotopes are d, the nuclear product is 4He.
3. When the isotopes are a mixture of H and D, the nuclear product  
is tritium.

4. When the isotopes are H, the nuclear product is still unknown.
5. When the conditions are suitable for these fusion reactions to  
occur, the hydrogen isotope can add to a heavy nucleus to cause  
transmutation without emission of energetic particles.


All of these reactions require a very unique condition that is able  
to overcome the Coulomb barrier without application of energy and  
release the nuclear energy in small units. This result is in direct  
contrast to the hot fusion process.


You need to ask what process can cause these observed results.  Of  
course, NO process can be imagined that could not be rejected for  
some reason. That is why the claims are not generally accepted.  
Nevertheless, the behavior has now been well established as real and  
needs to be explained.  Present attempts either ignore most observed  
behavior or use unsupported assumptions and reach conclusions that  
can not be tested. Consequently, discussing these ideas is a waste  
of time.  Nevertheless, the process needs to be explained.


I have proposed a process that is consistent with ALL the observed  
behavior. I know this because I have actually read most of the  
published literature.  In addition, I predict behavior that is  
expected and can be tested. I can also describe exactly how the e- 
Cat works based on the model and how it can be improved.  I will  
discuss this at ICCF-18.  Nevertheless, I find very little interest  
exists in discussing these ideas here and great difficultly even  
getting them published in conventional journals. Consequently, I  
have not shown all the evidence or the details of the process.   
Instead, I have decided to use my time testing the ideas. If the  
tests are successful, then we can talk again.


Ed



On Jun 17, 2013, at 8:35 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:41:09 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Eric, why do you ignore the obvious reaction of D-e-H = tritium?  
This is

the ONLY reaction consistent with all observations.

The ONLY way this reaction will happen is if the electron first  
combines with
one of the two nuclei to form either one or two neutrons which then  
combine(s)
with the other nucleus to form T (WL IOW). A concurrent fusion of  
all three
particles will lead to 3He not T, because the reaction to 3He is a  
strong force
reaction, and happens "instantaneously", whereas the reaction to T  
would be a
weak force reaction if it happened at all, which it doesn't because  
the reverse

weak force reaction is what happens in nature (i.e. T decays the He3).
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

[Paul Breed]

Ed,
>4.) When the isotopes are H, the nuclear product is still unknown

Any speculation?
My speculation would be D




On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:

> Robin, you need to acknowledge what actually is observed rather than what
> you think should happen.  We are witnessing a novel process that has
> several basic characteristics, which are:
>
> 1. Hydrogen isotopes can come together in a material to make a fusion
> product without emitting the nuclear energy as energetic particles.
> 2. When the isotopes are d, the nuclear product is 4He.
> 3. When the isotopes are a mixture of H and D, the nuclear product is
> tritium.
> 4. When the isotopes are H, the nuclear product is still unknown.
> 5. When the conditions are suitable for these fusion reactions to occur,
> the hydrogen isotope can add to a heavy nucleus to cause transmutation
> without emission of energetic particles.
>
> All of these reactions require a very unique condition that is able to
> overcome the Coulomb barrier without application of energy and release the
> nuclear energy in small units. This result is in direct contrast to the hot
> fusion process.
>
> You need to ask what process can cause these observed results.  Of course,
> NO process can be imagined that could not be rejected for some reason. That
> is why the claims are not generally accepted. Nevertheless, the behavior
> has now been well established as real and needs to be explained.  Present
> attempts either ignore most observed behavior or use unsupported
> assumptions and reach conclusions that can not be tested. Consequently,
> discussing these ideas is a waste of time.  Nevertheless, the process needs
> to be explained.
>
> I have proposed a process that is consistent with ALL the observed
> behavior. I know this because I have actually read most of the published
> literature.  In addition, I predict behavior that is expected and can be
> tested. I can also describe exactly how the e-Cat works based on the model
> and how it can be improved.  I will discuss this at ICCF-18.  Nevertheless,
> I find very little interest exists in discussing these ideas here and great
> difficultly even getting them published in conventional journals.
> Consequently, I have not shown all the evidence or the details of the
> process.  Instead, I have decided to use my time testing the ideas. If the
> tests are successful, then we can talk again.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2013, at 8:35 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
>
>  In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:41:09 -0700:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Eric, why do you ignore the obvious reaction of D-e-H = tritium? This is
>>> the ONLY reaction consistent with all observations.
>>>
>>
>> The ONLY way this reaction will happen is if the electron first combines
>> with
>> one of the two nuclei to form either one or two neutrons which then
>> combine(s)
>> with the other nucleus to form T (WL IOW). A concurrent fusion of all
>> three
>> particles will lead to 3He not T, because the reaction to 3He is a strong
>> force
>> reaction, and happens "instantaneously", whereas the reaction to T would
>> be a
>> weak force reaction if it happened at all, which it doesn't because the
>> reverse
>> weak force reaction is what happens in nature (i.e. T decays the He3).
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.**com/project.html
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:What does hopfion mean ?

[Daniel Rocha]

What is claimed in that website it is soliton, that is, self contained
field solution, which has the structure of a hopf fibration:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopf_fibration

So, since it is like a particle, they wrote hopfion...


2013/6/18 Jones Beene 

>
> The macro version appears to be a Rodin coil
>
> http://peswiki.com/images/5/5a/Rodin_coil_torus_jp70.jpg
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Blanton?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot
>
> Axil Axil  wrote:
> http://hopfion.com/
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

RE: [Vo]:What does hopfion mean ?

[Jones Beene]

The macro version appears to be a Rodin coil

http://peswiki.com/images/5/5a/Rodin_coil_torus_jp70.jpg


-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot

Axil Axil  wrote:
http://hopfion.com/

Re: [Vo]:Truchard is ICCF18 keynote speaker

[Alan Fletcher]

> From: "Jed Rothwell" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:23:59 AM
> 
> http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/program.php
> 
> Keynote: The Role of National Instruments in the Global Environment
> Dr. James Truchard
> 
> It will be nice to have a keynote speaker who knows something about
> cold fusion.

Bad news : From the abstract 
http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/files/day2/Sporadic_Neutron_Production.pdf 
it seems that Prelas has NOT reproduced his 1991 experiment (contrary to 
reports in his local paper), but HAS seen bursts of Neutrons not correlated 
with input stimuli.

Good news: 

Mixed news : the only other SKINR paper which I noticed was Progress in Diamond 
Sensor Development for Use in LENR Experiments
http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/files/day2/Diamond_Sensor_Development.pdf
I was hoping there would be a paper on their recent European Parliament report 
on the COP=30 960 hours.  Maybe the ENEA workshop?

Good news: Theoretical Analysis and Reaction Mechanisms for Experimental 
Results of Hydrogen-Nickel Systems
http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/files/day5/Theoretical_Analysis_Reaction_Mechanisms.pdf
 -- Co-author Defkalion's John Hadjichristos -- bodes well for future work (eg 
see Peter's interview with Kim).

RE: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

YW!

 

From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:19 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon
emission determined to within 11 Hertz

 

Thanks Mark

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:11 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint 
wrote:

If using gmail or other web-mail interfaces, just do as explained.

Most email pgms will add the 'Re:' when you hit 'Reply'.

-mark

 

 

Re: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[ChemE Stewart]

Thanks Mark


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:11 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:

> If using gmail or other web-mail interfaces, just do as explained…
>
> ** **
>
> Most email pgms will add the ‘Re:’ when you hit ‘Reply’…
>
> -mark
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:01 PM
>
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon
> emission determined to within 11 Hertz
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks, I was hitting reply and changing title and leaving VO: New Title.
>  Plus I am using web-based gmail, not sure if that is a problem. I will do
> a test later
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2013, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
>
> “This probably belongs in a New Post But I am challenged as to get it to
> do so.”
>
>  
>
> To start at new thread, DON’T hit “Reply” if using email.
>
> Just create a new email/msg, type in whatever Subject line you want and
> then compose your msg…
>
> The list-server will add the ‘[Vo]:’ to the beginning of the subject line…
> 
>
>  
>
> I don’t use the web-app for reading/posting to vortex, so not sure how new
> postings are made via the web…
>
>  
>
> -Mark
>
>  
>
> *From:* ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:21 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon
> emission determined to within 11 Hertz
>
>  
>
> This probably belongs in a New Post But I am challenged as to get it to do
> so.
>
>  
>
> This might have been posted already
>
>  
>
> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7453/full/498179a.html
>
>  
>
> Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy
>
>  
>
> I can't find a non-paying version to read.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
> 
>
> Well it is a stretch but 2.466/16 = 15.4125 THz 
>
>  
>
> … so if one wanted to force a connection between the two values, then
> there could be a Rydberg multiple to the degree that the “15 THz” is really
> rounding off from the slightly higher value J 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint 
>
>  
>
> Once they start playing with variations on a theme (different
> harmonics/subharmonics), I think it will reveal subtleties which QM could
> only guess at (thus the probabilistic nature of QM).  I hope they report
> other transition frequencies soon!
>
>  
>
>  2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz
>
>  2.466061413187018 * 10^15 hertz
>
> 2.47 PetaHertz
>
>  
>
> 3 PetaHz = Near UV, wavelength 100nm, just above the visible spectrum.
>

RE: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

If using gmail or other web-mail interfaces, just do as explained.

 

Most email pgms will add the 'Re:' when you hit 'Reply'.

-mark

 

From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon
emission determined to within 11 Hertz

 

Thanks, I was hitting reply and changing title and leaving VO: New Title.
Plus I am using web-based gmail, not sure if that is a problem. I will do a
test later

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:

"This probably belongs in a New Post But I am challenged as to get it to do
so."

 

To start at new thread, DON'T hit "Reply" if using email.

Just create a new email/msg, type in whatever Subject line you want and then
compose your msg.

The list-server will add the '[Vo]:' to the beginning of the subject line.

 

I don't use the web-app for reading/posting to vortex, so not sure how new
postings are made via the web.

 

-Mark

 

From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com
 ] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:21 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon
emission determined to within 11 Hertz

 

This probably belongs in a New Post But I am challenged as to get it to do
so.

 

This might have been posted already

 

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7453/full/498179a.html

 

Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy

 

I can't find a non-paying version to read.

 

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

Well it is a stretch but 2.466/16 = 15.4125 THz 

 

. so if one wanted to force a connection between the two values, then there
could be a Rydberg multiple to the degree that the "15 THz" is really
rounding off from the slightly higher value J 

 

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

 

Once they start playing with variations on a theme (different
harmonics/subharmonics), I think it will reveal subtleties which QM could
only guess at (thus the probabilistic nature of QM).  I hope they report
other transition frequencies soon!

 

 2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz

 2.466061413187018 * 10^15 hertz

2.47 PetaHertz

 

3 PetaHz = Near UV, wavelength 100nm, just above the visible spectrum.

Re: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[ChemE Stewart]

Thanks, I was hitting reply and changing title and leaving VO: New Title.
 Plus I am using web-based gmail, not sure if that is a problem. I will do
a test later

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:

> “This probably belongs in a New Post But I am challenged as to get it to
> do so.”
>
> ** **
>
> To start at new thread, DON’T hit “Reply” if using email.
>
> Just create a new email/msg, type in whatever Subject line you want and
> then compose your msg…
>
> The list-server will add the ‘[Vo]:’ to the beginning of the subject line…
> 
>
> ** **
>
> I don’t use the web-app for reading/posting to vortex, so not sure how new
> postings are made via the web…
>
> ** **
>
> -Mark
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com  'cvml', 'cheme...@gmail.com');>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:21 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com  'vortex-l@eskimo.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon
> emission determined to within 11 Hertz
>
> ** **
>
> This probably belongs in a New Post But I am challenged as to get it to do
> so.
>
> ** **
>
> This might have been posted already
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7453/full/498179a.html
>
> ** **
>
> Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy
>
> ** **
>
> I can't find a non-paying version to read.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
> 
>
> Well it is a stretch but 2.466/16 = 15.4125 THz 
>
>  
>
> … so if one wanted to force a connection between the two values, then
> there could be a Rydberg multiple to the degree that the “15 THz” is really
> rounding off from the slightly higher value J 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint 
>
>  
>
> Once they start playing with variations on a theme (different
> harmonics/subharmonics), I think it will reveal subtleties which QM could
> only guess at (thus the probabilistic nature of QM).  I hope they report
> other transition frequencies soon!
>
>  
>
>  2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz
>
>  2.466061413187018 * 10^15 hertz
>
> 2.47 PetaHertz
>
>  
>
> 3 PetaHz = Near UV, wavelength 100nm, just above the visible spectrum.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

[Jed Rothwell]

Alan Fletcher  wrote:


> Nice post ... but I hear that only the Pig enjoys the mud-wrestling.
>

It is not addressed to Yugo. It is for the benefit of other readers. I
guess there will be readers who do not realize an assertion must be
falsifiable.

Yugo herself does not realize this. I have pointed it out to her many
times. It is like water off a duck's back. The message never gets through
at all. It isn't that she disagrees or that she is putting on an act to
fool other readers. She hasn't the slightest idea what this rule means, or
how it applies.

Several members of the 2004 DoE review panel made the same error, even
though they are professional scientists. Member numbers 3, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13
and 14 to be exact. For example, #6 wrote: "Exposing or disproving
experimental artifacts is far more difficult than generating them." That is
true, but until you expose an artifact, you have no valid reason to assert
that it exists.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

[Alan Fletcher]

> From: "Jed Rothwell" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:28:25 PM
> I do not know why I bother but I went to the trouble to post a
> message here:
> 
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/06/15/psstt-want-an-e-cat-lenr-generator-for-free/

> Mary Yugo and others here claim that Rossi may be using some trick to
> fool Levi et al. in their recently published paper, “Indication of
> anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device containing
> hydrogen loaded nickel powder.” Yugo has not specified what that
> trick might be. She admits she does not know. That makes her
> assertion unscientific. That is, one that cannot be tested or
> falsified.

Nice post ... but I hear that only the Pig enjoys the mud-wrestling.

Re: [Vo]:What does hopfion mean ?

[Terry Blanton]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
> http://hopfion.com/

[Vo]:My response at Forbes: all assertions must be testable and falsifiable

[Jed Rothwell]

I do not know why I bother but I went to the trouble to post a message here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/06/15/psstt-want-an-e-cat-lenr-generator-for-free/

The point I am making is so elementary it boggles my mind that anyone
overlooks it, or disagrees, but people often do. It reminds me of the
elementary logical fallacies that people have been making since ancient
times, and still make a million times a day, such as an appeal to the
consequence of a belief. I do not understand why they don't teach children
to avoid making these mistakes in third grade! I guess it is because adults
make them so often, especially politicians, pundits, business leaders and
other blowhards. See:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

My message:



Mary Yugo and others here claim that Rossi may be using some trick to fool
Levi et al. in their recently published paper, “Indication of anomalous
heat energy production in a reactor device containing hydrogen loaded
nickel powder.” Yugo has not specified what that trick might be. She admits
she does not know. That makes her assertion unscientific. That is, one that
cannot be tested or falsified. She and other critics say there might be a
method of fooling a wattmeter but they do not know what that method is, and
they cannot describe it. Such a method is functionally equivalent to a
configuration error. I think it is highly unlikely that a modern wattmeter
in the hands of experts would not catch an error that makes 900 W look like
300 W. Anyway, until you find an expert in electrical engineering who can
propose an actual method that can be checked for and either confirmed or
falsified, you have no case. The assertion that “there might be a hidden
trick” or “there might be an undiscovered error” applies equally well to
every experiment since Newton. It is an empty assertion; meaningless, and
unprovable.

(Some other critics claim they do know a method, but the methods they have
proposed would not work, mainly because the wires are exposed to measure
voltage.)

Yugo’s assertions about Rossi’s personality and his business are
irrelevant. However evil he may be, he has no magic ability to change the
performance of a commercial wattmeter, thermocouple, or an IR camera.
So-called sleight of hand techniques can only fool human observers, not
instruments.


- Jed

RE: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

"This probably belongs in a New Post But I am challenged as to get it to do
so."

 

To start at new thread, DON'T hit "Reply" if using email.

Just create a new email/msg, type in whatever Subject line you want and then
compose your msg.

The list-server will add the '[Vo]:' to the beginning of the subject line.

 

I don't use the web-app for reading/posting to vortex, so not sure how new
postings are made via the web.

 

-Mark

 

From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:21 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon
emission determined to within 11 Hertz

 

This probably belongs in a New Post But I am challenged as to get it to do
so.

 

This might have been posted already

 

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7453/full/498179a.html

 

Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy

 

I can't find a non-paying version to read.

 

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

Well it is a stretch but 2.466/16 = 15.4125 THz 

 

. so if one wanted to force a connection between the two values, then there
could be a Rydberg multiple to the degree that the "15 THz" is really
rounding off from the slightly higher value J 

 

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

 

Once they start playing with variations on a theme (different
harmonics/subharmonics), I think it will reveal subtleties which QM could
only guess at (thus the probabilistic nature of QM).  I hope they report
other transition frequencies soon!

 

 2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz

 2.466061413187018 * 10^15 hertz

2.47 PetaHertz

 

3 PetaHz = Near UV, wavelength 100nm, just above the visible spectrum.

 

 

 

Re: [Vo]: Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy

[ChemE Stewart]

I think you are right, we have lost 20 years.

I am focused on the thermodynamic/vacuum piece to understand if the Sun is
collapsing Hydrogen and streaming this stuff our way in the solar wind,
which just might decay over time on route. A similar thing would be
happening in the "galactic wind" as Voyager I has picked up strong magnetic
signals on the outskirts of our solar system.  I think it is strings of
this dark energy connecting up the universe and acts as a quantum gravity
field.

Typical Solar Wind Flux:

speed: *291.2 *km/sec
density: *1.9 *protons/cm3

Might be a whole lot more energy there than we think and the stuff that
gets through our magnetic shield might pull a vacuum in our gaseous
atmosphere, cooling and condensing water vapor before decaying.  This would
also throw off our climate models.

Stewart
darkmattersalot.com


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>  ** **
>
> *From:* ChemE Stewart 
>
> ** **
>
> This might have been posted already
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7453/full/498179a.html
>
> ** **
>
> Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy
>
> ** **
>
> I can't find an Arxiv version I can read
>
> ** **
>
> Does Hydrogen collapse into "dark energy" and then pop back out over time?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Stewart: This is almost exactly what Mills proposed some years ago.
>
> ** **
>
> BTW – as strange as it sounds, I am not the fan of Randell Mills that it
> seems… even though it may appear that (Robin and myself) are always
> bringing up his writings. 
>
> ** **
>
> Like the other genius - Rossi, Mills has been a huge disappointment.
> Unlike Rossi, he has the makings of a superb theory backed by excellent
> experiments. The problem is that Mills rejects QM in favor of his own lame
> version – and that probably relates to why Rossi has leapfrogged him on the
> applications front. Mills is apparently no match for Rossi in the lab, and
> in building devices to convert “borrowed” ideas into working prototypes.**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> Mills and Rossi are both geniuses in different ways. If they could have
> been combined circa 1992, we would be driving around in cars powered by
> HotCats today.
>
> ** **
>
> Jones
>

RE: [Vo]: Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy

[Jones Beene]

 

From: ChemE Stewart 

 

This might have been posted already

 

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7453/full/498179a.html

 

Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy

 

I can't find an Arxiv version I can read

 

Does Hydrogen collapse into "dark energy" and then pop back out over time?

 

 

Stewart: This is almost exactly what Mills proposed some years ago.

 

BTW - as strange as it sounds, I am not the fan of Randell Mills that it
seems. even though it may appear that (Robin and myself) are always bringing
up his writings. 

 

Like the other genius - Rossi, Mills has been a huge disappointment. Unlike
Rossi, he has the makings of a superb theory backed by excellent
experiments. The problem is that Mills rejects QM in favor of his own lame
version - and that probably relates to why Rossi has leapfrogged him on the
applications front. Mills is apparently no match for Rossi in the lab, and
in building devices to convert "borrowed" ideas into working prototypes.

 

Mills and Rossi are both geniuses in different ways. If they could have been
combined circa 1992, we would be driving around in cars powered by HotCats
today.

 

Jones

RE: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[Roarty, Francis X]

The 16th subharmonic  would be very weak but I was hoping this line of 
investigation might reveal if fractional orbitals result in a red shift as the 
normal emission translates out of the vacuum suppressed region where it 
originated. Or from another perspective if the 15.4 THZ entering the region is 
blue shifted as it approaches the f/h...  I assume that most of these equipment 
measurements of frequency and spectrum are an average for a bulk gas not a 
single atom such that the spectrum shift reported may be far more dramatic if 
we could single out an individual Rydberg atom?
Fran

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:43 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition 
photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

Well it is a stretch but 2.466/16 = 15.4125 THz

... so if one wanted to force a connection between the two values, then there 
could be a Rydberg multiple to the degree that the "15 THz" is really rounding 
off from the slightly higher value :)


From: MarkI-ZeroPoint

Once they start playing with variations on a theme (different 
harmonics/subharmonics), I think it will reveal subtleties which QM could only 
guess at (thus the probabilistic nature of QM).  I hope they report other 
transition frequencies soon!

 2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz
 2.466061413187018 * 10^15 hertz
2.47 PetaHertz

3 PetaHz = Near UV, wavelength 100nm, just above the visible spectrum.

Re: [Vo]: Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy

[Mark Jurich]

 ChemE Stewart wrote:
  http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7453/full/498179a.html
  Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy
Recently Referenced Work (but what appears to be the arXiv versions):
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1211.2616.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.3459.pdf

(FYI: This is a Summary Article and the 2 refs above are to the actual work.  
If you do a
search on the Lead Authors, you will find more current papers regarding this on 
arXiv, also.)

Cheers,
Mark Jurich

RE: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[Jones Beene]

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LettsDstimulatio.pdf

 

If you go to figure 10b and beyond, it looks like a better IR trigger is
found at over 20 THz but the important point is that there is a range
between 8-21 THz and it may require coherency. 

 

But this paper is for deuterium and palladium.

 

For the more important Ni-H experiments (far more important commercially)
the range appears to be the same or slightly lower - but that data is not
public yet, so we will have to wait to see if this range holds for both.
Curiously, this coincident trigger indicates that real fusion is not
involved.

 

BTW there is a rumor about that Rossi's next HotCat testing will be done at
a thermal range which corresponds quite well to 21 THz. 

 

Quite well . as in exact. AR may be far more savvy than his critics can ever
imagine.

 

Thus . it is looking to this observer like the role of thermal input in the
HotCat is for optical pumping and coherency (or superradiance) in the far IR
range at a Rydberg multiple. That range is between 15-21 THz. The role of
Ni-62 is unclear in the coherency.

 

When you add up the Rydberg multiple and the coherency/superradiance, this
looks like the trigger is for needed for pushing ground state redundancy -
and NOT for fusion at all. These photons are simple not relevant to the
requirements of fusion. 

 

In the case of Pd-D, it is quite possible that helium without gammas has its
nexus not in a fusion reaction at all, and not in the form of any real
nuclear reaction, but in the form of a static alpha which is the QM result
of massive levels of local energy having already been released by electron
orbital redundancy, to such an extent that that the alpha appears ab initio
in space. This is QM, not thermodynamics - and that kind of strange result
should not be a big surprise.

 

To state the implication of it all, this seems to be an elegant blend of
Mills' theory with Storms et al, but it will be immediately rejected by both
camps - since it involves too many compromises, and neither camp is willing
to embrace QM to the full extent necessary.

 

From: Jones Beene 

 

Well it is a stretch but 2.466/16 = 15.4125 THz 

 

. so if one wanted to force a connection between the two values, then there
could be a Rydberg multiple to the degree that the "15 THz" is really
rounding off from the slightly higher value :-) 

 

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

 

Once they start playing with variations on a theme (different
harmonics/subharmonics), I think it will reveal subtleties which QM could
only guess at (thus the probabilistic nature of QM).  I hope they report
other transition frequencies soon!

 

 2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz

 2.466061413187018 * 10^15 hertz

2.47 PetaHertz

 

3 PetaHz = Near UV, wavelength 100nm, just above the visible spectrum.

 

 

Re: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[ChemE Stewart]

This probably belongs in a New Post But I am challenged as to get it to do
so.

This might have been posted already

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7453/full/498179a.html

Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy

I can't find a non-paying version to read.



On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>  Well it is a stretch but 2.466/16 = 15.4125 THz 
>
> ** **
>
> … so if one wanted to force a connection between the two values, then
> there could be a Rydberg multiple to the degree that the “15 THz” is really
> rounding off from the slightly higher value J 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint 
>
> ** **
>
> Once they start playing with variations on a theme (different
> harmonics/subharmonics), I think it will reveal subtleties which QM could
> only guess at (thus the probabilistic nature of QM).  I hope they report
> other transition frequencies soon!
>
> ** **
>
>  2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz
>
>  2.466061413187018 * 10^15 hertz
>
> 2.47 PetaHertz
>
> ** **
>
> 3 PetaHz = Near UV, wavelength 100nm, just above the visible spectrum.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>

[Vo]: Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy

[ChemE Stewart]

This might have been posted already

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7453/full/498179a.html

Cosmology: Hydrogen wisps reveal dark energy

I can't find an Arxiv version I can read

Does Hydrogen collapse into "dark energy" and then pop back out over time?

RE: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[Jones Beene]

Well it is a stretch but 2.466/16 = 15.4125 THz 

 

. so if one wanted to force a connection between the two values, then there
could be a Rydberg multiple to the degree that the "15 THz" is really
rounding off from the slightly higher value :-) 

 

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

 

Once they start playing with variations on a theme (different
harmonics/subharmonics), I think it will reveal subtleties which QM could
only guess at (thus the probabilistic nature of QM).  I hope they report
other transition frequencies soon!

 

 2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz

 2.466061413187018 * 10^15 hertz

2.47 PetaHertz

 

3 PetaHz = Near UV, wavelength 100nm, just above the visible spectrum.

 

 

RE: [Vo]: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[Jones Beene]

Mark, Fran

This kind of basic hydrogen transition testing has been going on for three
or four decades as kind of a “competition” between various labs for
one-upmanship; and as your surmise it is important because the Rydberg
constant can be deduced from this value. But the practical value is almost
past-tense - kind of like determining Pi to greater and greater precision. 

How the Rydberg constant relates to the 15 Terahertz figure - which has
turned up in recent analysis as being relevant to LENR isn't clear. I've
convinced myself that it is connected, but the details beyond
Plasmonics/Polaritons are murky. However, I should add that the explanation
probably goes deeper than an effort to apply it to 24 MeV and helium (I’m
not saying it's curve-fitting – only that the frequency applies to Ni-H via
Plasmonic and IRH).

The Rydberg is one of the most important constants in all of physics and
probably the most important of all for understanding Ni-H LENR – to the
degree that one subscribes to any variation of the f/H theory (ostensibly a
non-nuclear version with fractional hydrogen based to some degree on the
hydrogen ground state redundancy of Mills). 

Twenty years ago, we had essentially the same numerical value, and it hasn’t
changed by much over the original:

http://www.maik.ru/full/lasphys/94/2/lasphys2_94p302full.pdf

A value of the Rydberg constant = 109737.3156846 cm−1 is still good enough
for government work.


From: Roarty, Francis X 

Mark,
 
Nice find! It should reveal sub harmonics for manipulating h but regarding
f/h  it brings up an interesting question, does the spectrum broadening mean
the fractional orbits are at different frequencies, and if so are they nice
orbital steps ½ to 137? Or  is the shift linear?
Fran 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.110.230801
-
Light emission from hydrogen atoms allows spectacularly precise confirmation
of quantum-mechanical laws. But theorists have yet to fully reconcile those
laws with relativity, the other major foundation of modern physics. In
Physical Review Letters, a multilaboratory collaboration reports improved
hydrogen measurements that place limits on how big one possible correction
to relativity could be.

Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Quantum Optics in Garching,
Germany, have pioneered methods that connect optical emission frequencies to
the much lower radio frequencies of atomic clocks. But the best atomic
clocks, based on a fountain of cesium atoms, are in distant labs such as the
Federal Physical-Technical Institute (PTB) in Braunschweig, and can’t be
easily moved. So the two labs synchronized their setups by sending light
signals back and forth over a 920-km-long optical fiber. The connection
allowed them to express the 1S-2S transition frequency in terms of the
international standard definition of the second as 
  2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz, with an uncertainty of just 11 hertz.

The researchers exploited the unprecedented precision to look for variations
of the frequency over a year. Such variations would show that the frequency
depends on the motion of the Earth around the Sun, which is forbidden by
relativity. But the team estimates that parameters that quantify that
dependence can be no larger than a few parts in 10^11. One of the parameters
is slightly different from zero, but even more precise measurements will be
needed to determine if this difference is truly significant. – Don Monroe
-

Will a photon of that same frequency cause a 1S-2S transition???
Now you have an exact frequency with which to manipulate the H atom…

-Mark Iverson

<>

Re: [Vo]: after, ISCMNS, ICCF article at Wikipedia up for deletion.

[Moab Moab]

"no reliable sources"

of course if you dismiss all sources as unreliable just because they
mention the ICCF.

* http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/14/cold-fusion
*
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/08/04/the-state-of-the-cold-fusion-market/2/
* the ICCF is mentioned in the Nuclear Energy Encyclopedia published by
Wiley.
* http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion_pr.html
*
http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/call-for-interdisciplinary-studies-in-cold-fusion/article1165494.ece



On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote:

> after ISCMNS, it is ICCF which is tagged for deletion
>
> I've made an article...
>
>
> http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1638-ICCF-Wikipedia-article-called-for-deletion&p=5173#post5173
>
> more details will be welcome...
>
> its starts to be ridiculous, and stinky.
>
>
> 2013/4/19 Alan Fletcher 
>
>> > From: "Jed Rothwell" 
>> > Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 9:08:35 AM
>>
>> > Someone informed me that the ISCMNS article at Wikipedia is up for
>> > deletion:
>> >
>> >
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Society_for_Condensed_Matter_Nuclear_Science
>> >
>> > I did not know there is an article on this. I consider this good
>> > news. Wikipedia is a travesty. The less there is about cold fusion
>> > in Wikipedia, the better.
>> >
>> > I wish I could persuade them to delete the articles on Cold Fusion
>> > and Eugene Mallove.
>> >
>> > - Jed
>>
>> Result was delete.  3 voted for delete, 2 for merging three separate
>> pages (ISCMNS,JSCMNS and a grant page), 1 comment
>> I bet they tackle JSCMNS next.
>>
>>
>

RE: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Exactly Fran,

 

Once they start playing with variations on a theme (different
harmonics/subharmonics), I think it will reveal subtleties which QM could
only guess at (thus the probabilistic nature of QM).  I hope they report
other transition frequencies soon!

 

 2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz

 2.466061413187018 * 10^15 hertz

2.47 PetaHertz

 

3 PetaHz = Near UV, wavelength 100nm, just above the visible spectrum.

 

Does the technology exist to control the frequency of a NUV laser to within
a few Hz!!

Interesting times…

 

-Mark Iverson

 

From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:12 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon
emission determined to within 11 Hertz

 

Mark,

Nice find! It should reveal sub harmonics for manipulating h
but regarding f/h  it brings up an interesting question, does the spectrum
broadening mean the fractional orbits are at different frequencies, and if
so are they nice orbital steps ½ to 137? Or  is the shift linear?

Fran 

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:29 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon
emission determined to within 11 Hertz

 

http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.110.230801

-

Light emission from hydrogen atoms allows spectacularly precise confirmation
of quantum-mechanical laws. But theorists have yet to fully reconcile those
laws with relativity, the other major foundation of modern physics. In
Physical Review Letters, a multilaboratory collaboration reports improved
hydrogen measurements that place limits on how big one possible correction
to relativity could be.

 

Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Quantum Optics in Garching,
Germany, have pioneered methods that connect optical emission frequencies to
the much lower radio frequencies of atomic clocks. But the best atomic
clocks, based on a fountain of cesium atoms, are in distant labs such as the
Federal Physical-Technical Institute (PTB) in Braunschweig, and can’t be
easily moved. So the two labs synchronized their setups by sending light
signals back and forth over a 920-km-long optical fiber. The connection
allowed them to express the 1S-2S transition frequency in terms of the
international standard definition of the second as 

  2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz, with an uncertainty of just 11 hertz.

 

The researchers exploited the unprecedented precision to look for variations
of the frequency over a year. Such variations would show that the frequency
depends on the motion of the Earth around the Sun, which is forbidden by
relativity. But the team estimates that parameters that quantify that
dependence can be no larger than a few parts in 10^11. One of the parameters
is slightly different from zero, but even more precise measurements will be
needed to determine if this difference is truly significant. – Don Monroe

-

 

Will a photon of that same frequency cause a 1S-2S transition???

Now you have an exact frequency with which to manipulate the H atom…

 

-Mark Iverson

 

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

[Edmund Storms]

Eric, Tom Passel is not the only source of information. If you want to  
make a useful conclusion, I suggest you read the following papers  
where tritium was detected.


Ed

1.Bertalot, L., et al. Analysis of tritium and heat excess  
in electrochemical cells with Pd cathodes. in Second Annual Conference  
on Cold Fusion, "The Science of Cold Fusion". 1991. Como, Italy:  
Societa Italiana di Fisica, Bologna, Italy. p. 3.


2. Chien, C.-C., et al., On an electrode producing massive  
quantities of tritium and helium. J. Electroanal. Chem., 1992. 338: p.  
189-212.


3.Claytor, T.N., et al. Tritium and neutron measurements  
of a solid state cell. in NSF/EPRI Workshop on Anomalous Effects in  
Deuterated Materials. 1989. Washington, DC: LA-UR-89-39-46. p.


4.Claytor, T.N., et al. Tritium production from palladium  
alloys. in The Seventh International Conference on Cold Fusion. 1998.  
Vancouver, Canada: ENECO, Inc., Salt Lake City, UT. p. 88-93.


5.Fleischmann, M., S. Pons, and M. Hawkins,  
Electrochemically induced nuclear fusion of deuterium. J. Electroanal.  
Chem., 1989. 261: p. 301-308 and errata in Vol. 263, 187-188.


6. Gozzi, D., et al. First results from a ten electrolytic  
cells experiment. in Anomalous Nuclear Effects in Deuterium/Solid  
Systems, "AIP Conference Proceedings 228". 1990. Brigham Young Univ.,  
Provo, UT: American Institute of Physics, New York. p. 481.


7. Gozzi, D., et al., Nuclear and thermal effects during  
electrolytic reduction of deuterium at palladium cathode. J. Fusion  
Energy, 1990. 9(3): p. 241.


8.Guruswamy, S. and M.E. Wadsworth. Metallurgical Aspects  
in Cold Fusion Experiments. in The First Annual Conference on Cold  
Fusion. 1990. University of Utah Research Park, Salt Lake City, Utah:  
National Cold Fusion Institute. p. 314.


9. Itoh, T., et al. Observation of nuclear products under  
vacuum conditions from deuterated palladium with high loading ratio.  
in 5th International Conference on Cold Fusion. 1995. Monte-Carlo,  
Monaco: IMRA Europe, Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France. p. 189.


10.Iyengar, P.K. Cold fusion results in BARC experiments.  
in Fifth International Conf. on Emerging Nucl. Energy Ststems. 1989.  
Karlsruhe, Germany. p.


11.Iyengar, P.K. and M. Srinivasan, BARC studies in cold  
fusion. 1989, BARC, India: Bombay.


12.Iyengar, P.K. and M. Srinivasan. Overview of BARC  
Studies in Cold Fusion. in The First Annual Conference on Cold Fusion.  
1990. University of Utah Research Park, Salt Lake City, Utah: National  
Cold Fusion Institute. p. 62.


13.Iyengar, P.K., et al., Bhabha Atomic Research Centre  
studies on cold fusion. Fusion Technol., 1990. 18: p. 32.


14.Matsumoto, O., et al. Detection of neutron and tritium  
during electrolysis of D2SO4-D2O solution. in Third International  
Conference on Cold Fusion, "Frontiers of Cold Fusion". 1992. Nagoya  
Japan: Universal Academy Press, Inc., Tokyo, Japan. p. 495.


15.Notoya, R. Alkali-hydrogen cold fusion accompanied by  
tritium production on nickel. in Fourth International Conference on  
Cold Fusion. 1993. Lahaina, Maui: Electric Power Research Institute  
3412 Hillview Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94304. p. 1.


16.Notoya, R., Y. Noya, and T. Ohnishi, Tritium generation  
and large excess heat evolution by electrolysis in light and heavy  
water-potassium carbonate solutions with nickel electrodes. Fusion  
Technol., 1994. 26: p. 179.


17.Notoya, R., Alkali-hydrogen cold fusion accompanied by  
tritium production on nickel. Trans. Fusion Technol., 1994. 26(#4T):  
p. 205-208.


18.Packham, N.J.C., et al., Production of tritium from D2O  
electrolysis at a palladium cathode. J. Electroanal. Chem., 1989. 270:  
p. 451.


19.Ramamurthy, H., et al. Further studies on excess heat  
generation in Ni-H2O electrolytic cells. in Fourth International  
Conference on Cold Fusion. 1993. Lahaina, Maui: Electric Power  
Research Institute 3412 Hillview Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94304. p. 15.


20.   Ray, M.K.S., et al., The Fleischmann-Pons phenomenon - a  
different perspective. Fusion Technol., 1992. 22: p. 395.


21.Sankaranarayanan, M., et al. Investigation of low level  
tritium generation in Ni-H2O electrolytic cells. in Fourth  
International Conference on Cold Fusion. 1993. Lahaina, Maui: Electric  
Power Research Institute 3412 Hillview Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94304. p. 3.


22.Sankaranarayanan, T.K., et al., Investigation of low- 
level tritium generation in Ni-H2O electrolytic cells. Fusion  
Technol., 1996. 30: p. 349.


23.Sánchez, C., et al., Nuclear products detection during  
electrolysis of heavy water with titanium and platinum electrodes.  
Solid State Commun., 1989. 71: p. 1039.


24.Sánchez, C., et al. Cold fusion during electrolysis 

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

[Edmund Storms]

Robin, you need to acknowledge what actually is observed rather than  
what you think should happen.  We are witnessing a novel process that  
has several basic characteristics, which are:


1. Hydrogen isotopes can come together in a material to make a fusion  
product without emitting the nuclear energy as energetic particles.

2. When the isotopes are d, the nuclear product is 4He.
3. When the isotopes are a mixture of H and D, the nuclear product is  
tritium.

4. When the isotopes are H, the nuclear product is still unknown.
5. When the conditions are suitable for these fusion reactions to  
occur, the hydrogen isotope can add to a heavy nucleus to cause  
transmutation without emission of energetic particles.


All of these reactions require a very unique condition that is able to  
overcome the Coulomb barrier without application of energy and release  
the nuclear energy in small units. This result is in direct contrast  
to the hot fusion process.


You need to ask what process can cause these observed results.  Of  
course, NO process can be imagined that could not be rejected for some  
reason. That is why the claims are not generally accepted.  
Nevertheless, the behavior has now been well established as real and  
needs to be explained.  Present attempts either ignore most observed  
behavior or use unsupported assumptions and reach conclusions that can  
not be tested. Consequently, discussing these ideas is a waste of  
time.  Nevertheless, the process needs to be explained.


I have proposed a process that is consistent with ALL the observed  
behavior. I know this because I have actually read most of the  
published literature.  In addition, I predict behavior that is  
expected and can be tested. I can also describe exactly how the e-Cat  
works based on the model and how it can be improved.  I will discuss  
this at ICCF-18.  Nevertheless, I find very little interest exists in  
discussing these ideas here and great difficultly even getting them  
published in conventional journals. Consequently, I have not shown all  
the evidence or the details of the process.  Instead, I have decided  
to use my time testing the ideas. If the tests are successful, then we  
can talk again.


Ed


On Jun 17, 2013, at 8:35 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:


In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:41:09 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Eric, why do you ignore the obvious reaction of D-e-H = tritium?  
This is

the ONLY reaction consistent with all observations.


The ONLY way this reaction will happen is if the electron first  
combines with
one of the two nuclei to form either one or two neutrons which then  
combine(s)
with the other nucleus to form T (WL IOW). A concurrent fusion of  
all three
particles will lead to 3He not T, because the reaction to 3He is a  
strong force
reaction, and happens "instantaneously", whereas the reaction to T  
would be a
weak force reaction if it happened at all, which it doesn't because  
the reverse

weak force reaction is what happens in nature (i.e. T decays the He3).
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:Truchard is ICCF18 keynote speaker

[Jed Rothwell]

See:

http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/program.php

Keynote: The Role of National Instruments in the Global Environment
Dr. James Truchard

It will be nice to have a keynote speaker who knows something about cold
fusion.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Back in history...

[Peter Gluck]

thanks , Alain,

Firts I remember receivibg the news about the oppression
and blackmailing to which Bockris was exposed/ A very dirty affair
lead by Taubes. At the institute where I was working it was a
cult of Bockris for many of his creative pre-CH works, so the story
was followed with great attention.

Re the dirty problem, each language-culture has his own tradition.
For Hungarian the respective product comes from dogs while
for other languages the source is not specified- ask general Cambronne
for yours, see "Kaltwasser Doctrine" for German, believe me that for
Romanian it is also so. I remember some nice things  told by
Toscanini- but have not studied the problem for Italian and Russian, mea
culpa/.

The joke is not supported by my S-theory of humor, see the septoe:
"92. Recipe of humor: sex, stupidity shit, sadism. surprisingly"

I have never tried but my vision is that searching for neutrinos is
masochism
not sadism- and the other components don't go too.
And even if you get them you have to tell what's their precise origin,

Peter


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote:

> Sorry for my horrific english.
>
> For the french speaking people:
> 1-
> Je me demandais pourquoi lors du harcèlement moral de Bockris, on a parlé
> de "Horse Manure" (crottin de cheval) alors que l'expression populaire est
> "bullshit" (bouse de vache) ?
> Si c'est une version politiquement correct dans le monde académique, ou
> une spécificité texane ?
>
> 2- pour mon idée de blague à neutrino
>
> j'ai calculé que si une fusion nucléaire, comme dans le soleil, produit
> 24MeV et  2 neutrino, on peut produire le flux de neutrino solaire avec un
> réacteur 1MW placé à 1,3km.
> Ce qui permettrait a un détecteur de neutrino comme Super-Kamiokande de le
> détecter.
>
> Mais, coté théorique je ne sais pas si :
> - des neutrinos sont produits par les LENR NiH
> - s'ils sont produits en quantité suffisante
> - si leur énergie est suffisante pour activer des détecteurs type
> Super-Kamiokande
>
> mais, si ça marche, ça ferait une bonne blague.
>
>
>
> 2013/6/18 Peter Gluck 
>
>> Dear Alain,
>>
>> May I ask you to explain the joke in French too, 32 C here
>> and I am not at the peak of my, let's say, intellectual
>> performances.
>> Thanks
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote:
>>
>>> Just a cultural point for a French non-academic like me.
>>>
>>> I know the english expression "Bullshit", an insult saying something
>>> have no value.
>>> It seems that in academic world this tem is upgraded to more stylish
>>> "Hors Manure" ?
>>> Or is it a Texan declination of the usual cow product ?
>>>
>>> about frauding the experiment of another researchers, if that is not
>>> "scientific misconduct", what is it ? the worse is that the researchers
>>> could have been accused of having himself committed fraud...
>>>
>>> For the revenge I have made some fast computation, on my own (it seems
>>> the subject is theoretically too controversial to allow jokes). I have the
>>> MOST STUPID PHYSICIST JOKE idea :
>>>
>>> my computation is based on few school-grade computation based on some
>>> Super-Kamiokande papers.
>>>
>>> Assume that you have a solar-like fusion reactor of 1MW at 1.3km from
>>> super-kamiokande, then  it will flood the detector with as much events as
>>> the sun itself...
>>>
>>> many question, since there is no evidence that LENR produce neutrinos,
>>> that they have enough energy to trigger super-kamiokande, and that they are
>>> produced with a similar ration from power to flux.
>>>
>>> the 512keV that Rossi (and others) talk about seems linked to a beta+
>>> decay, which let hope... question is how much neutrino would be produced.
>>>
>>>
>>> ANYWAY IF IT WORK, IT WOULD BE FUN !
>>>
>>> Peter, could you send the idea to Defkalion,
>>> If they succeed they will get huge media coverage.
>>>
>>> Their defense against science crime is :
>>> - we did nothing, it cannot exist
>>>
>>> Like impaling a skeptics with a pink unicorn.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/6/18 Ruby 
>>>


 What an excellent essay. The account of the second meeting on
 transmuations:


 "We held the meeting in the local Holiday Inn. Because of the assault
 made by Professor Cotton and his colleagues on the first meeting we thought
 that a more violent one might be made in this meeting and therefore hired a
 deputy from the police department to be present outside the door
 of the meeting in order to quell any attempt by members of the
 Chemistry Department to suppress the presentation of new ideas by
 violence.  The papers of the >96 meeting have been published in the Autumn
 edition of New Energy of that year."

 Steven Krivit's archive contains the Proceedings of that meeting:
 http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/J/JNE1N3.PDF




 On 6/17/13 5:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote

[Vo]: after, ISCMNS, ICCF article at Wikipedia up for deletion.

[a.ashfield]

I had a go at correcting the Wikipedia article on Rossi's E-Cat and got 
topic banned for my trouble.  Look at the "talk page" about three 
quarters down (Parallel)   When I started, half the intro was a very 
negative piece lifted from a blog as a reliable source. The existing 
editors like AndyTheGrumo wouldn't even accept that there had been an 
independent test by Elforsk.


In essence they are convinced that LENR is junk science and won't allow 
anything to appear that might be interpreted as supporting it.  
Mentioning any supporting evidence is discounted by calling it 
"debate".  I hadn't realized just how bad Wikipedia was until I had this 
first hand experience.

Re: [Vo]:Back in history...

[Alain Sepeda]

Sorry for my horrific english.

For the french speaking people:
1-
Je me demandais pourquoi lors du harcèlement moral de Bockris, on a parlé
de "Horse Manure" (crottin de cheval) alors que l'expression populaire est
"bullshit" (bouse de vache) ?
Si c'est une version politiquement correct dans le monde académique, ou une
spécificité texane ?

2- pour mon idée de blague à neutrino

j'ai calculé que si une fusion nucléaire, comme dans le soleil, produit
24MeV et  2 neutrino, on peut produire le flux de neutrino solaire avec un
réacteur 1MW placé à 1,3km.
Ce qui permettrait a un détecteur de neutrino comme Super-Kamiokande de le
détecter.

Mais, coté théorique je ne sais pas si :
- des neutrinos sont produits par les LENR NiH
- s'ils sont produits en quantité suffisante
- si leur énergie est suffisante pour activer des détecteurs type
Super-Kamiokande

mais, si ça marche, ça ferait une bonne blague.



2013/6/18 Peter Gluck 

> Dear Alain,
>
> May I ask you to explain the joke in French too, 32 C here
> and I am not at the peak of my, let's say, intellectual
> performances.
> Thanks
> Peter
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote:
>
>> Just a cultural point for a French non-academic like me.
>>
>> I know the english expression "Bullshit", an insult saying something have
>> no value.
>> It seems that in academic world this tem is upgraded to more stylish
>> "Hors Manure" ?
>> Or is it a Texan declination of the usual cow product ?
>>
>> about frauding the experiment of another researchers, if that is not
>> "scientific misconduct", what is it ? the worse is that the researchers
>> could have been accused of having himself committed fraud...
>>
>> For the revenge I have made some fast computation, on my own (it seems
>> the subject is theoretically too controversial to allow jokes). I have the
>> MOST STUPID PHYSICIST JOKE idea :
>>
>> my computation is based on few school-grade computation based on some
>> Super-Kamiokande papers.
>>
>> Assume that you have a solar-like fusion reactor of 1MW at 1.3km from
>> super-kamiokande, then  it will flood the detector with as much events as
>> the sun itself...
>>
>> many question, since there is no evidence that LENR produce neutrinos,
>> that they have enough energy to trigger super-kamiokande, and that they are
>> produced with a similar ration from power to flux.
>>
>> the 512keV that Rossi (and others) talk about seems linked to a beta+
>> decay, which let hope... question is how much neutrino would be produced.
>>
>>
>> ANYWAY IF IT WORK, IT WOULD BE FUN !
>>
>> Peter, could you send the idea to Defkalion,
>> If they succeed they will get huge media coverage.
>>
>> Their defense against science crime is :
>> - we did nothing, it cannot exist
>>
>> Like impaling a skeptics with a pink unicorn.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/6/18 Ruby 
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What an excellent essay. The account of the second meeting on
>>> transmuations:
>>>
>>>
>>> "We held the meeting in the local Holiday Inn. Because of the assault
>>> made by Professor Cotton and his colleagues on the first meeting we thought
>>> that a more violent one might be made in this meeting and therefore hired a
>>> deputy from the police department to be present outside the door
>>> of the meeting in order to quell any attempt by members of the Chemistry
>>> Department to suppress the presentation of new ideas by violence.  The
>>> papers of the >96 meeting have been published in the Autumn edition of New
>>> Energy of that year."
>>>
>>> Steven Krivit's archive contains the Proceedings of that meeting:
>>> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/J/JNE1N3.PDF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/17/13 5:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>>>
>>>  I never asked Bockris about the harassment. He wrote about it here:
>>>
>>>  http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BockrisJthehistory.pdf
>>>
>>>  He told me that several other researchers got positive results but
>>> were afraid to present them. Some of them asked him to present their
>>> results as his own. I do not think he did.
>>>
>>>  - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ruby Carat
>>> r...@coldfusionnow.org
>>> Skype ruby-carat
>>> www.coldfusionnow.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>

[Vo]: after, ISCMNS, ICCF article at Wikipedia up for deletion.

[Alain Sepeda]

after ISCMNS, it is ICCF which is tagged for deletion

I've made an article...

http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1638-ICCF-Wikipedia-article-called-for-deletion&p=5173#post5173

more details will be welcome...

its starts to be ridiculous, and stinky.


2013/4/19 Alan Fletcher 

> > From: "Jed Rothwell" 
> > Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 9:08:35 AM
>
> > Someone informed me that the ISCMNS article at Wikipedia is up for
> > deletion:
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Society_for_Condensed_Matter_Nuclear_Science
> >
> > I did not know there is an article on this. I consider this good
> > news. Wikipedia is a travesty. The less there is about cold fusion
> > in Wikipedia, the better.
> >
> > I wish I could persuade them to delete the articles on Cold Fusion
> > and Eugene Mallove.
> >
> > - Jed
>
> Result was delete.  3 voted for delete, 2 for merging three separate pages
> (ISCMNS,JSCMNS and a grant page), 1 comment
> I bet they tackle JSCMNS next.
>
>

RE: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[Roarty, Francis X]

Mark,
Nice find! It should reveal sub harmonics for manipulating h 
but regarding f/h  it brings up an interesting question, does the spectrum 
broadening mean the fractional orbits are at different frequencies, and if so 
are they nice orbital steps ½ to 137? Or  is the shift linear?
Fran

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:29 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon 
emission determined to within 11 Hertz

http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.110.230801
-
Light emission from hydrogen atoms allows spectacularly precise confirmation of 
quantum-mechanical laws. But theorists have yet to fully reconcile those laws 
with relativity, the other major foundation of modern physics. In Physical 
Review Letters, a multilaboratory collaboration reports improved hydrogen 
measurements that place limits on how big one possible correction to relativity 
could be.

Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Quantum Optics in Garching, 
Germany, have pioneered methods that connect optical emission frequencies to 
the much lower radio frequencies of atomic clocks. But the best atomic clocks, 
based on a fountain of cesium atoms, are in distant labs such as the Federal 
Physical-Technical Institute (PTB) in Braunschweig, and can't be easily moved. 
So the two labs synchronized their setups by sending light signals back and 
forth over a 920-km-long optical fiber. The connection allowed them to express 
the 1S-2S transition frequency in terms of the international standard 
definition of the second as
  2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz, with an uncertainty of just 11 hertz.

The researchers exploited the unprecedented precision to look for variations of 
the frequency over a year. Such variations would show that the frequency 
depends on the motion of the Earth around the Sun, which is forbidden by 
relativity. But the team estimates that parameters that quantify that 
dependence can be no larger than a few parts in 10^11. One of the parameters is 
slightly different from zero, but even more precise measurements will be needed 
to determine if this difference is truly significant. - Don Monroe
-

Will a photon of that same frequency cause a 1S-2S transition???
Now you have an exact frequency with which to manipulate the H atom...

-Mark Iverson

Re: [Vo]:Back in history...

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Alain,

May I ask you to explain the joke in French too, 32 C here
and I am not at the peak of my, let's say, intellectual
performances.
Thanks
Peter


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote:

> Just a cultural point for a French non-academic like me.
>
> I know the english expression "Bullshit", an insult saying something have
> no value.
> It seems that in academic world this tem is upgraded to more stylish "Hors
> Manure" ?
> Or is it a Texan declination of the usual cow product ?
>
> about frauding the experiment of another researchers, if that is not
> "scientific misconduct", what is it ? the worse is that the researchers
> could have been accused of having himself committed fraud...
>
> For the revenge I have made some fast computation, on my own (it seems the
> subject is theoretically too controversial to allow jokes). I have the MOST
> STUPID PHYSICIST JOKE idea :
>
> my computation is based on few school-grade computation based on some
> Super-Kamiokande papers.
>
> Assume that you have a solar-like fusion reactor of 1MW at 1.3km from
> super-kamiokande, then  it will flood the detector with as much events as
> the sun itself...
>
> many question, since there is no evidence that LENR produce neutrinos,
> that they have enough energy to trigger super-kamiokande, and that they are
> produced with a similar ration from power to flux.
>
> the 512keV that Rossi (and others) talk about seems linked to a beta+
> decay, which let hope... question is how much neutrino would be produced.
>
>
> ANYWAY IF IT WORK, IT WOULD BE FUN !
>
> Peter, could you send the idea to Defkalion,
> If they succeed they will get huge media coverage.
>
> Their defense against science crime is :
> - we did nothing, it cannot exist
>
> Like impaling a skeptics with a pink unicorn.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2013/6/18 Ruby 
>
>>
>>
>> What an excellent essay. The account of the second meeting on
>> transmuations:
>>
>>
>> "We held the meeting in the local Holiday Inn. Because of the assault
>> made by Professor Cotton and his colleagues on the first meeting we thought
>> that a more violent one might be made in this meeting and therefore hired a
>> deputy from the police department to be present outside the door
>> of the meeting in order to quell any attempt by members of the Chemistry
>> Department to suppress the presentation of new ideas by violence.  The
>> papers of the >96 meeting have been published in the Autumn edition of New
>> Energy of that year."
>>
>> Steven Krivit's archive contains the Proceedings of that meeting:
>> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/J/JNE1N3.PDF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/17/13 5:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>>
>>  I never asked Bockris about the harassment. He wrote about it here:
>>
>>  http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BockrisJthehistory.pdf
>>
>>  He told me that several other researchers got positive results but were
>> afraid to present them. Some of them asked him to present their results as
>> his own. I do not think he did.
>>
>>  - Jed
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ruby Carat
>> r...@coldfusionnow.org
>> Skype ruby-carat
>> www.coldfusionnow.org
>>
>>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Back in history...

[Alain Sepeda]

Just a cultural point for a French non-academic like me.

I know the english expression "Bullshit", an insult saying something have
no value.
It seems that in academic world this tem is upgraded to more stylish "Hors
Manure" ?
Or is it a Texan declination of the usual cow product ?

about frauding the experiment of another researchers, if that is not
"scientific misconduct", what is it ? the worse is that the researchers
could have been accused of having himself committed fraud...

For the revenge I have made some fast computation, on my own (it seems the
subject is theoretically too controversial to allow jokes). I have the MOST
STUPID PHYSICIST JOKE idea :

my computation is based on few school-grade computation based on some
Super-Kamiokande papers.

Assume that you have a solar-like fusion reactor of 1MW at 1.3km from
super-kamiokande, then  it will flood the detector with as much events as
the sun itself...

many question, since there is no evidence that LENR produce neutrinos, that
they have enough energy to trigger super-kamiokande, and that they are
produced with a similar ration from power to flux.

the 512keV that Rossi (and others) talk about seems linked to a beta+
decay, which let hope... question is how much neutrino would be produced.


ANYWAY IF IT WORK, IT WOULD BE FUN !

Peter, could you send the idea to Defkalion,
If they succeed they will get huge media coverage.

Their defense against science crime is :
- we did nothing, it cannot exist

Like impaling a skeptics with a pink unicorn.





2013/6/18 Ruby 

>
>
> What an excellent essay. The account of the second meeting on
> transmuations:
>
>
> "We held the meeting in the local Holiday Inn. Because of the assault made
> by Professor Cotton and his colleagues on the first meeting we thought that
> a more violent one might be made in this meeting and therefore hired a
> deputy from the police department to be present outside the door
> of the meeting in order to quell any attempt by members of the Chemistry
> Department to suppress the presentation of new ideas by violence.  The
> papers of the >96 meeting have been published in the Autumn edition of New
> Energy of that year."
>
> Steven Krivit's archive contains the Proceedings of that meeting:
> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/J/JNE1N3.PDF
>
>
>
>
> On 6/17/13 5:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>  I never asked Bockris about the harassment. He wrote about it here:
>
>  http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BockrisJthehistory.pdf
>
>  He told me that several other researchers got positive results but were
> afraid to present them. Some of them asked him to present their results as
> his own. I do not think he did.
>
>  - Jed
>
>
>
> --
> Ruby Carat
> r...@coldfusionnow.org
> Skype ruby-carat
> www.coldfusionnow.org
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

[Eric Walker]

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:

Tritium is made by gas discharge and gas loading where no lithium or Na is
> present. The rate is sensitive to the H/D ratio and to the concentration of
> hydrogen isotope in the material.
>

According to Thomas Passell, lithium was present as an impurity in nearly
all palladium samples he assayed using TOF-SIMS in connection with a 2003
study [1].  Also interesting is the fact that the 7Li/6Li ratios were
highly skewed towards 7Li in some assays.  So I don't think lithium can be
ruled out as a source of tritium on the basis of gas discharge rather than
LiOD or LiOH electrolysis.  The H/D ratio would also be pertinent to
whether the 6Li(d,t)5Li reaction was taking place.

Eric


[1]
http://iccf9.global.tsinghua.edu.cn/4effort/5nuclear/PassellTransmutation.pdf

[Vo]:FYI: Frequency of Hydrogen's 1S-2S transition photon emission determined to within 11 Hertz

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.110.230801

-

Light emission from hydrogen atoms allows spectacularly precise confirmation
of quantum-mechanical laws. But theorists have yet to fully reconcile those
laws with relativity, the other major foundation of modern physics. In
Physical Review Letters, a multilaboratory collaboration reports improved
hydrogen measurements that place limits on how big one possible correction
to relativity could be.

 

Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Quantum Optics in Garching,
Germany, have pioneered methods that connect optical emission frequencies to
the much lower radio frequencies of atomic clocks. But the best atomic
clocks, based on a fountain of cesium atoms, are in distant labs such as the
Federal Physical-Technical Institute (PTB) in Braunschweig, and can't be
easily moved. So the two labs synchronized their setups by sending light
signals back and forth over a 920-km-long optical fiber. The connection
allowed them to express the 1S-2S transition frequency in terms of the
international standard definition of the second as 

  2,466,061,413,187,018 hertz, with an uncertainty of just 11 hertz.

 

The researchers exploited the unprecedented precision to look for variations
of the frequency over a year. Such variations would show that the frequency
depends on the motion of the Earth around the Sun, which is forbidden by
relativity. But the team estimates that parameters that quantify that
dependence can be no larger than a few parts in 10^11. One of the parameters
is slightly different from zero, but even more precise measurements will be
needed to determine if this difference is truly significant. - Don Monroe

-

 

Will a photon of that same frequency cause a 1S-2S transition???

Now you have an exact frequency with which to manipulate the H atom.

 

-Mark Iverson

 

[Vo]:What does hopfion mean ?

[Axil Axil]

http://hopfion.com/