Re: [Vo]:THe plot thickens, is NRG Energy running things now?

2014-11-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
That's a fascinating expression:  coincidence of wants.  But in this
instance, it goes against Occham's Razor.  "These players" at one time were
willing to try something together in 2003, but 10 years later it means
nothing.

Think about your own allies from 10 years ago and how things have changed.
The vast majority of vorts  and others,  will understand that things
change.

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Mason Ainsworth 
wrote:

> The original Cobraf link:
> http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123569754_1.pdf
>
> It shows an NRG Sec filing outlining the fact that one of its subsidiaries
> is European Generating s.a.r.l. The rest of the Cobraf link describes the
> linkage between Rossi's patent application, IPH and NRG.
>
> The original SEC filing is this:
> http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1013871/95013703001877/c75611exv21.txt
>
> If you go up one layer in the URL, deleting the SEC file name ending in
> "txt" you determine the actual date of the SEC filing is 3/31/2003.
>
> If you look at the most recent 10-k, dated 2/28/2014, you don't find
> European Generating s.a.r.l.
>
> To me, it is the coincidence of wants driving the assumption that these
> players have come together. The association/connection has been made. It is
> one heck of a coincidence that NRG, Darden/IH, and Rossi get joined through
> an NRG subsidiary from 2003.
>
> --
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 21:57:44 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:THe plot thickens, is NRG Energy running things now?
> From: kevmol...@gmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>
>
> Where is the information from 2003?   Who is European Generating Sarl in
> terms of why we should care with respect to Rossi or IH?
>
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Mason Ainsworth <
> masonainswo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> A question . . . why doesn't European Generating Sarl show in the NRG
> Subsidiary listing as of 2/28/2014? Yet, it shows for 3/31/2003?
>
> How did someone know to look back 11 years?
>
> SEC 10-K,   Exhibit 21,  dated 2/28/2014
>
> http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1013871/00010138711403/exhibit21110k2013.htm
>
>
> Hopefully, there is an easy answer.
>
> --
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 15:14:36 -0800
> From: blazespinna...@gmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: [Vo]:THe plot thickens, is NRG Energy running things now?
>
> http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123569754_1.pdf
>
> "It looks like IPH International BV is owned by European Generation SARL,
> which is a subsidiary of NRG Energy Inc."
>
> NRG - 11B market cap.  NRG Energy, Inc. (NRG) is an integrated wholesale
> power generation and retail electricity company in the United States
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:New Rossi Patent Appln..publishes Today

2014-11-09 Thread Eric Walker
See David French's analysis of Andrea Rossi's new patent application:

http://coldfusionnow.org/andrea-rossi-2nd-us-patent-application-published-6-nov-2014-at-uspto/

David French concludes:

How can the best mode requirement be met when a catalyst is required and
> that catalyst is not disclosed? How could this application even have been
> filed? ... Others can search through this disclosure for ostensibly useful
> technical information, but as a patent filing this application will
> encounter great difficulties.
>

With the acquisition of the technology by IH, Rossi has had the opportunity
to avail himself of competent counsel.  At face value it seems he has not
done so.  Or perhaps this is another play of some kind.  Things never seem
to get boring.

Eric


[Vo]:Update: Schrodingers Quantum Cat

2014-11-09 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22429944.000-ghost-universes-kill-schrodingers-quantum-cat.html#.VF_20zTF-So

Ron Kita, Chiralex


Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014

2014-11-09 Thread David Roberson
I agree with much of what you are saying Eric.  The other group is just as 
likely to be wrong in their interpretation as well since so few particles have 
been seen.  How is it possible for anyone to state with confidence that a newly 
found particle of a certain mass has anything at all to do with the masses of 
other particles?  Where is the proof of that theory?

It will take many years to demonstrate within an experiment a connection of 
this complexity and many of us will be long gone before that happens.  I remain 
a skeptic until much better evidence is presented.

It is time to get off the soap box!

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014



On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:07 AM, David Roberson  wrote:


It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion much 
too quickly.



I share your skepticism about the discovery of the Higgs boson.  But I'm also 
skeptical about the claim of this team that there is another interpretation.  
There is always another interpretation.  Glancing at the article, I'm guessing 
they had an alternative proposal that did not gain traction, and now they're 
hoping to make the case that the announcement was premature.


Judging from what I've learned watching LENR, theorists will never agree, and 
there is nothing one can do to help them agree.  Even when there is evidence 
staring them in the face that there's something else going on.  They appear to 
be very stubborn people.


Eric





Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014

2014-11-09 Thread David Roberson
I suppose that a careful review of previous Noble prize awards would reveal 
that many were in error according to present understanding of the sciences.  
Would a longer wait time actually help?  My thoughts are that it would indeed 
be better to allow the dust to settle for several years while other scientists 
have an opportunity to verify the concept.  Unfortunately, if the wait is too 
extended the scientists might not be alive to accept their well deserved prizes.

In the case of the Higgs, the wait was not sufficient and now the award may 
become an embarrassment for the prize committee.   Lets hope that they take a 
lesson from history.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: H Veeder 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014







On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 1:07 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion much 
too quickly.  I thing of someone finding a 16 pound weight and announcing that 
they have found a bowling ball.  Until the true interactions of a particle are 
established no one can be confident in what they find.  This is a sad chapter 
in the long sorry story of established science.  I hope that one day the system 
can be improved.


​


It was uncharacteristic of the Nobel committee to issue a prize so soon after a 
"discovery", but I think they were taken in by the grandiosity of the project.


harry​ 




Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014

2014-11-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:07 AM, David Roberson  wrote:

It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion
> much too quickly.


I share your skepticism about the discovery of the Higgs boson.  But I'm
also skeptical about the claim of this team that there is another
interpretation.  There is always another interpretation.  Glancing at the
article, I'm guessing they had an alternative proposal that did not gain
traction, and now they're hoping to make the case that the announcement was
premature.

Judging from what I've learned watching LENR, theorists will never agree,
and there is nothing one can do to help them agree.  Even when there is
evidence staring them in the face that there's something else going on.
They appear to be very stubborn people.

Eric


Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014

2014-11-09 Thread H Veeder
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 1:07 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion
> much too quickly.  I thing of someone finding a 16 pound weight and
> announcing that they have found a bowling ball.  Until the true
> interactions of a particle are established no one can be confident in what
> they find.  This is a sad chapter in the long sorry story of established
> science.  I hope that one day the system can be improved.
>
​
It was uncharacteristic of the Nobel committee to issue a prize so soon
after a "discovery", but I think they were taken in by the grandiosity of
the project.

harry​


Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014

2014-11-09 Thread David Roberson
It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion much 
too quickly.  I thing of someone finding a 16 pound weight and announcing that 
they have found a bowling ball.  Until the true interactions of a particle are 
established no one can be confident in what they find.  This is a sad chapter 
in the long sorry story of established science.  I hope that one day the system 
can be improved.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Foks0904 . 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 8:42 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014


LOL. That brings me quite a bit of satisfaction actually...what a useful 
expenditure of the public coffers...


On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Ron Kita  wrote:

Greetings Vortex-L


Higggs and the "Gone Particle":
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/19802/20141108/shocking-cern-may-not-have-discovered-elusive-higgs-boson-particle-after-all.htm



Ad astra,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Doylestown PA






Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014

2014-11-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> That's two Nobels that should be returned.

Three if you count Obama's Peace prize.  :-)



Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014

2014-11-09 Thread Terry Blanton
That's two Nobels that should be returned.



RE: [Vo]:THe plot thickens, is NRG Energy running things now?

2014-11-09 Thread Mason Ainsworth
The original Cobraf link: http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123569754_1.pdf
It shows an NRG Sec filing outlining the fact that one of its subsidiaries is 
European Generating s.a.r.l. The rest of the Cobraf link describes the linkage 
between Rossi's patent application, IPH and NRG.

The original SEC filing is this: 
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1013871/95013703001877/c75611exv21.txt

If you go up one layer in the URL, deleting the SEC file name ending in "txt" 
you determine the actual date of the SEC filing is 3/31/2003.

If you look at the most recent 10-k, dated 2/28/2014, you don't find European 
Generating s.a.r.l.

To me, it is the coincidence of wants driving the assumption that these players 
have come together. The association/connection has been made. It is one heck of 
a coincidence that NRG, Darden/IH, and Rossi get joined through an NRG 
subsidiary from 2003. 

Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 21:57:44 -0800
Subject: Re: [Vo]:THe plot thickens, is NRG Energy running things now?
From: kevmol...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Where is the information from 2003?Who is European Generating Sarl in terms 
of why we should care with respect to Rossi or IH?  

On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Mason Ainsworth  
wrote:



A question . . . why doesn't European Generating Sarl show in the NRG 
Subsidiary listing as of 2/28/2014? Yet, it shows for 3/31/2003?  

How did someone know to look back 11 years?

SEC 10-K,   Exhibit 21,  dated 2/28/2014 
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1013871/00010138711403/exhibit21110k2013.htm


Hopefully, there is an easy answer.

Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 15:14:36 -0800
From: blazespinna...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:THe plot thickens, is NRG Energy running things now?

http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123569754_1.pdf
"It looks like IPH International BV is owned by European Generation SARL, which 
is a subsidiary of NRG Energy Inc."
NRG - 11B market cap.  NRG Energy, Inc. (NRG) is an integrated wholesale power 
generation and retail electricity company in the United States  
   

  

Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014

2014-11-09 Thread Foks0904 .
LOL. That brings me quite a bit of satisfaction actually...what a useful
expenditure of the public coffers...

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Ron Kita  wrote:

> Greetings Vortex-L
>
> Higggs and the "Gone Particle":
>
> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/19802/20141108/shocking-cern-may-not-have-discovered-elusive-higgs-boson-particle-after-all.htm
>
> Ad astra,
> Ron Kita, Chiralex
> Doylestown PA
>


[Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014

2014-11-09 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L

Higggs and the "Gone Particle":
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/19802/20141108/shocking-cern-may-not-have-discovered-elusive-higgs-boson-particle-after-all.htm

Ad astra,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Doylestown PA