Re: [Vo]:THe plot thickens, is NRG Energy running things now?
That's a fascinating expression: coincidence of wants. But in this instance, it goes against Occham's Razor. "These players" at one time were willing to try something together in 2003, but 10 years later it means nothing. Think about your own allies from 10 years ago and how things have changed. The vast majority of vorts and others, will understand that things change. On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Mason Ainsworth wrote: > The original Cobraf link: > http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123569754_1.pdf > > It shows an NRG Sec filing outlining the fact that one of its subsidiaries > is European Generating s.a.r.l. The rest of the Cobraf link describes the > linkage between Rossi's patent application, IPH and NRG. > > The original SEC filing is this: > http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1013871/95013703001877/c75611exv21.txt > > If you go up one layer in the URL, deleting the SEC file name ending in > "txt" you determine the actual date of the SEC filing is 3/31/2003. > > If you look at the most recent 10-k, dated 2/28/2014, you don't find > European Generating s.a.r.l. > > To me, it is the coincidence of wants driving the assumption that these > players have come together. The association/connection has been made. It is > one heck of a coincidence that NRG, Darden/IH, and Rossi get joined through > an NRG subsidiary from 2003. > > -- > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 21:57:44 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Vo]:THe plot thickens, is NRG Energy running things now? > From: kevmol...@gmail.com > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > > > Where is the information from 2003? Who is European Generating Sarl in > terms of why we should care with respect to Rossi or IH? > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Mason Ainsworth < > masonainswo...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > A question . . . why doesn't European Generating Sarl show in the NRG > Subsidiary listing as of 2/28/2014? Yet, it shows for 3/31/2003? > > How did someone know to look back 11 years? > > SEC 10-K, Exhibit 21, dated 2/28/2014 > > http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1013871/00010138711403/exhibit21110k2013.htm > > > Hopefully, there is an easy answer. > > -- > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 15:14:36 -0800 > From: blazespinna...@gmail.com > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [Vo]:THe plot thickens, is NRG Energy running things now? > > http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123569754_1.pdf > > "It looks like IPH International BV is owned by European Generation SARL, > which is a subsidiary of NRG Energy Inc." > > NRG - 11B market cap. NRG Energy, Inc. (NRG) is an integrated wholesale > power generation and retail electricity company in the United States > > >
Re: [Vo]:New Rossi Patent Appln..publishes Today
See David French's analysis of Andrea Rossi's new patent application: http://coldfusionnow.org/andrea-rossi-2nd-us-patent-application-published-6-nov-2014-at-uspto/ David French concludes: How can the best mode requirement be met when a catalyst is required and > that catalyst is not disclosed? How could this application even have been > filed? ... Others can search through this disclosure for ostensibly useful > technical information, but as a patent filing this application will > encounter great difficulties. > With the acquisition of the technology by IH, Rossi has had the opportunity to avail himself of competent counsel. At face value it seems he has not done so. Or perhaps this is another play of some kind. Things never seem to get boring. Eric
[Vo]:Update: Schrodingers Quantum Cat
Greetings Vortex-L: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22429944.000-ghost-universes-kill-schrodingers-quantum-cat.html#.VF_20zTF-So Ron Kita, Chiralex
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
I agree with much of what you are saying Eric. The other group is just as likely to be wrong in their interpretation as well since so few particles have been seen. How is it possible for anyone to state with confidence that a newly found particle of a certain mass has anything at all to do with the masses of other particles? Where is the proof of that theory? It will take many years to demonstrate within an experiment a connection of this complexity and many of us will be long gone before that happens. I remain a skeptic until much better evidence is presented. It is time to get off the soap box! Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 3:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014 On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:07 AM, David Roberson wrote: It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion much too quickly. I share your skepticism about the discovery of the Higgs boson. But I'm also skeptical about the claim of this team that there is another interpretation. There is always another interpretation. Glancing at the article, I'm guessing they had an alternative proposal that did not gain traction, and now they're hoping to make the case that the announcement was premature. Judging from what I've learned watching LENR, theorists will never agree, and there is nothing one can do to help them agree. Even when there is evidence staring them in the face that there's something else going on. They appear to be very stubborn people. Eric
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
I suppose that a careful review of previous Noble prize awards would reveal that many were in error according to present understanding of the sciences. Would a longer wait time actually help? My thoughts are that it would indeed be better to allow the dust to settle for several years while other scientists have an opportunity to verify the concept. Unfortunately, if the wait is too extended the scientists might not be alive to accept their well deserved prizes. In the case of the Higgs, the wait was not sufficient and now the award may become an embarrassment for the prize committee. Lets hope that they take a lesson from history. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 3:26 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014 On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 1:07 PM, David Roberson wrote: It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion much too quickly. I thing of someone finding a 16 pound weight and announcing that they have found a bowling ball. Until the true interactions of a particle are established no one can be confident in what they find. This is a sad chapter in the long sorry story of established science. I hope that one day the system can be improved. It was uncharacteristic of the Nobel committee to issue a prize so soon after a "discovery", but I think they were taken in by the grandiosity of the project. harry
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:07 AM, David Roberson wrote: It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion > much too quickly. I share your skepticism about the discovery of the Higgs boson. But I'm also skeptical about the claim of this team that there is another interpretation. There is always another interpretation. Glancing at the article, I'm guessing they had an alternative proposal that did not gain traction, and now they're hoping to make the case that the announcement was premature. Judging from what I've learned watching LENR, theorists will never agree, and there is nothing one can do to help them agree. Even when there is evidence staring them in the face that there's something else going on. They appear to be very stubborn people. Eric
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 1:07 PM, David Roberson wrote: > It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion > much too quickly. I thing of someone finding a 16 pound weight and > announcing that they have found a bowling ball. Until the true > interactions of a particle are established no one can be confident in what > they find. This is a sad chapter in the long sorry story of established > science. I hope that one day the system can be improved. > It was uncharacteristic of the Nobel committee to issue a prize so soon after a "discovery", but I think they were taken in by the grandiosity of the project. harry
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion much too quickly. I thing of someone finding a 16 pound weight and announcing that they have found a bowling ball. Until the true interactions of a particle are established no one can be confident in what they find. This is a sad chapter in the long sorry story of established science. I hope that one day the system can be improved. Dave -Original Message- From: Foks0904 . To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 8:42 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014 LOL. That brings me quite a bit of satisfaction actually...what a useful expenditure of the public coffers... On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Ron Kita wrote: Greetings Vortex-L Higggs and the "Gone Particle": http://www.techtimes.com/articles/19802/20141108/shocking-cern-may-not-have-discovered-elusive-higgs-boson-particle-after-all.htm Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > That's two Nobels that should be returned. Three if you count Obama's Peace prize. :-)
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
That's two Nobels that should be returned.
RE: [Vo]:THe plot thickens, is NRG Energy running things now?
The original Cobraf link: http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123569754_1.pdf It shows an NRG Sec filing outlining the fact that one of its subsidiaries is European Generating s.a.r.l. The rest of the Cobraf link describes the linkage between Rossi's patent application, IPH and NRG. The original SEC filing is this: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1013871/95013703001877/c75611exv21.txt If you go up one layer in the URL, deleting the SEC file name ending in "txt" you determine the actual date of the SEC filing is 3/31/2003. If you look at the most recent 10-k, dated 2/28/2014, you don't find European Generating s.a.r.l. To me, it is the coincidence of wants driving the assumption that these players have come together. The association/connection has been made. It is one heck of a coincidence that NRG, Darden/IH, and Rossi get joined through an NRG subsidiary from 2003. Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 21:57:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [Vo]:THe plot thickens, is NRG Energy running things now? From: kevmol...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Where is the information from 2003?Who is European Generating Sarl in terms of why we should care with respect to Rossi or IH? On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Mason Ainsworth wrote: A question . . . why doesn't European Generating Sarl show in the NRG Subsidiary listing as of 2/28/2014? Yet, it shows for 3/31/2003? How did someone know to look back 11 years? SEC 10-K, Exhibit 21, dated 2/28/2014 http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1013871/00010138711403/exhibit21110k2013.htm Hopefully, there is an easy answer. Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 15:14:36 -0800 From: blazespinna...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:THe plot thickens, is NRG Energy running things now? http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123569754_1.pdf "It looks like IPH International BV is owned by European Generation SARL, which is a subsidiary of NRG Energy Inc." NRG - 11B market cap. NRG Energy, Inc. (NRG) is an integrated wholesale power generation and retail electricity company in the United States
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
LOL. That brings me quite a bit of satisfaction actually...what a useful expenditure of the public coffers... On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Ron Kita wrote: > Greetings Vortex-L > > Higggs and the "Gone Particle": > > http://www.techtimes.com/articles/19802/20141108/shocking-cern-may-not-have-discovered-elusive-higgs-boson-particle-after-all.htm > > Ad astra, > Ron Kita, Chiralex > Doylestown PA >
[Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
Greetings Vortex-L Higggs and the "Gone Particle": http://www.techtimes.com/articles/19802/20141108/shocking-cern-may-not-have-discovered-elusive-higgs-boson-particle-after-all.htm Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA