date:20150717

Terry Blanton  wrote:

Found this using the google image search.  Really cool app.
>

That is amazing.

I tested it for this image and found it in several websites, in different
sizes:

http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Bockrisandcells.jpg

Google correctly identified it as "john bockris" (lowercase).

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

Guys,

I am designing a new spaceship with a warp drive and I am looking for
investors, I have the prototype working...



http://www.comicvine.com/profile/clark_el/blog/uss-enterprise-vs-battlestar-galactica/92202/

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
> Found this using the google image search.  Really cool app.
>>
>
> That is amazing.
>
> I tested it for this image and found it in several websites, in different
> sizes:
>
> http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Bockrisandcells.jpg
>
> Google correctly identified it as "john bockris" (lowercase).
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

Terry Blanton  wrote:

These guys are frauds.  That boiler is stolen from Utica:
>

Now, now, now. We don't call that "fraud" in academic science. As Prof.
Lehrer explained:

Plagiarize,
Let no one else's work evade your eyes,
Remember why the good Lord made your eyes,
So don't shade your eyes,
But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize -
Only be sure always to call it please 'research'.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction

2015-07-17 Thread Jones Beene

Sounds a bit like a new type of fermion

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/materials/exotic-particles
-could-lead-to-faster-electronics



-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com 


In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:58:49 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Now I wonder whether it would be possible to conserve spin with the 
>appropriate selection of electrons:
>
>-1/2 + 1/2 + -1/2 + 1/2 + ... + 1/2 + 1/2 = 1
>
>Each electron will in turn emit a photon, which is again angular 
>momentum n=1, so I'm not sure how that factors in as a consideration.
>
>It seems improbable to me that there would be two [dd]* resonances with 
>antiparallel spin underway at the same time.

This is an interesting idea, but again the question arises, why doesn't this
happen with normal decay reactions?

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:off topic andriod

2015-07-17 Thread Frank Znidarsic

A few years ago I completed several books.  This was a goal and I am proud to
have completed it.  None are selling well but "Energy, Cold Fusion, and 
Antigravity" has sold
quite a few over the last couple of years.


I also wanted to wrote software and market it on Google Play.  I saw those neat 
little androids riding
on the bus and thought, "I can do this this!"  Amazon invited me to be a app 
developer, encouraging.


It proved harder than expected.  I downloaded the free "Andriod Studio" 
compiler.  It compiles Java code.  I hate
Java; the code is not self explanatory to me.  I use it because it works but I 
know not why.  Its sort of like
the Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum physics.  It works but the water is 
muddy.
  
Android programs have several associated files  XML, Manifest, Gradel, Image, 
and Java.  Each one would take
the team at Bleachley Park to figure out.  Anyway I did it, I got stuff 
working.  My goal was to write musical MIDI apps.
I could not get Android to read the MIDI input under any condition.  I tied to 
use and modify and existing 3d party drivers
but no luck.


Android M is coming out this fall.  M is for musical.  With this I believe I 
will be able to build my MIDI apps.
I will proudly display them on Google Play once completed.


Frank Znidarsic

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

2015-07-17 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson

Cool!

 

Sign me up. Don't have anything yet to show me? No problemo! I trust you. Will 
you let me be your cheerleader?

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 8:40 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

 

Guys,

 

I am designing a new spaceship with a warp drive and I am looking for 
investors, I have the prototype working...

 

  

 

 

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/clark_el/blog/uss-enterprise-vs-battlestar-galactica/92202/

 

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Jed Rothwell mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Terry Blanton mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Found this using the google image search.  Really cool app.

 

That is amazing.

 

I tested it for this image and found it in several websites, in different sizes:

 

http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Bockrisandcells.jpg

 

Google correctly identified it as "john bockris" (lowercase).

 

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/06/17/electrical-engineers-attending-a-star-trek-convention/

:)

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

> Cool!
>
>
>
> Sign me up. Don't have anything yet to show me? No problemo! I trust you.
> Will you let me be your cheerleader?
>
>
>
> *Regards,*
>
> *Steven Vincent Johnson*
>
> *OrionWorks.com*
>
> *zazzle.com/orionworks *
>
>
>
> *From:* ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2015 8:40 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> I am designing a new spaceship with a warp drive and I am looking for
> investors, I have the prototype working...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.comicvine.com/profile/clark_el/blog/uss-enterprise-vs-battlestar-galactica/92202/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
> Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>
>
> Found this using the google image search.  Really cool app.
>
>
>
> That is amazing.
>
>
>
> I tested it for this image and found it in several websites, in different
> sizes:
>
>
>
> http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Bockrisandcells.jpg
>
>
>
> Google correctly identified it as "john bockris" (lowercase).
>
>
>
> - Jed
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:Fwd: andriod

2015-07-17 Thread Frank Znidarsic

Here is the thing that's coming and that was holding me back.


http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/05/android-m-embraces-usb-type-c-midi-devices/


thank you Google.



-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: charles.reigh 
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 11:17 am
Subject: andriod



   


 A few years ago I completed several books.  This was a goal and I am proud 
to  
 have completed it.  None are selling well but "Energy, Cold Fusion, and 
Antigravity" has sold  
  
 quite a few over the last couple of years.  I am hoping it sells more when it 
appears on the X files. 
  
   
  
  
 I also wanted to wrote software and market it on Google Play.  I saw those 
neat little androids riding  
  
 on the bus and thought, "I can do this this!"  Amazon invited me to be a app 
developer, encouraging.  
  
   
  
  
 It proved harder than expected.  I downloaded the free "Andriod Studio" 
compiler.  It compiles Java code.  I hate  
  
 Java; the code is not self explanatory to me.  I use it because it works but I 
know not why.  It works but the water is muddy. 
  
 
  
 Android programs have several associated files  XML, Manifest, Gradel, Image, 
and Java.  Each one would take  
  
 the team at Bleachley Park to figure out.  Anyway I did it, I got stuff 
working.  My goal was to write musical MIDI apps.  I could not get Android to 
read the MIDI input under any condition.  I tried to use and modify and 
existing 3d party drivers; no luck. 
  
   
  
  
 Android M is coming out this fall.  M is for musical.  It have a new port and 
MIDI drivers.  With this I believe I will be able to build MIDI apps.  I will 
proudly display them on Google Play and Amazon once completed. 
  
   
  
  
 Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: andriod

2015-07-17 Thread Mauro Lacy


On 07/17/2015 12:29 PM, Frank Znidarsic wrote:

Here is the thing that's coming and that was holding me back.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/05/android-m-embraces-usb-type-c-midi-devices/


Interesting. Here's a detailed explanation of the underlying cause
http://superpowered.com/androidaudiopathlatency/#axzz3bRhwb8Z2

Android devices currently have ~100 ms latency on the whole the 
input->output audio chain.


Good luck,
Mauro



thank you Google.


-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: charles.reigh 
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 11:17 am
Subject: andriod



A few years ago I completed several books.  This was a goal and I am 
proud to
have completed it.  None are selling well but "Energy, Cold Fusion, 
and Antigravity" has sold
quite a few over the last couple of years.  I am hoping it sells more 
when it appears on the X files.


I also wanted to wrote software and market it on Google Play.  I saw 
those neat little androids riding
on the bus and thought, "I can do this this!"  Amazon invited me to be 
a app developer, encouraging.


It proved harder than expected.  I downloaded the free "Andriod 
Studio" compiler.  It compiles Java code.  I hate
Java; the code is not self explanatory to me.  I use it because it 
works but I know not why.  It works but the water is muddy.
Android programs have several associated files  XML, Manifest, Gradel, 
Image, and Java.  Each one would take
the team at Bleachley Park to figure out.  Anyway I did it, I got 
stuff working.  My goal was to write musical MIDI apps.  I could not 
get Android to read the MIDI input under any condition.  I tried to 
use and modify and existing 3d party drivers; no luck.


Android M is coming out this fall.  M is for musical.  It have a new 
port and MIDI drivers.  With this I believe I will be able to build 
MIDI apps.  I will proudly display them on Google Play and Amazon once 
completed.


Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:today a rather fat LENR .info cow....

2015-07-17 Thread Peter Gluck

read and evaluate, please

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/07/a-rather-fat-info-cow-for-jul-17-2015.html

things happen
 Peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

Terry Blanton  wrote:

These guys are frauds.  That boiler is stolen from Utica:
>

It is not well disguised. The URL at Brillouin is "Utica.jpg"

http://brillouinenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Utica.jpg

At least they went to the trouble to photoshop the nameplates. Have some
respect!

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

I accept Pay Pal...

On Friday, July 17, 2015, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

> Cool!
>
>
>
> Sign me up. Don't have anything yet to show me? No problemo! I trust you.
> Will you let me be your cheerleader?
>
>
>
> *Regards,*
>
> *Steven Vincent Johnson*
>
> *OrionWorks.com*
>
> *zazzle.com/orionworks *
>
>
>
> *From:* ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2015 8:40 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> I am designing a new spaceship with a warp drive and I am looking for
> investors, I have the prototype working...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.comicvine.com/profile/clark_el/blog/uss-enterprise-vs-battlestar-galactica/92202/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Jed Rothwell  > wrote:
>
> Terry Blanton  > wrote:
>
>
>
> Found this using the google image search.  Really cool app.
>
>
>
> That is amazing.
>
>
>
> I tested it for this image and found it in several websites, in different
> sizes:
>
>
>
> http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Bockrisandcells.jpg
>
>
>
> Google correctly identified it as "john bockris" (lowercase).
>
>
>
> - Jed
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

2015-07-17 Thread Jones Beene

Guys,

 

It is possible that they worked with Utica, and have modified a stock unit to 
be fueled via LENR…

 

Obviously, the NG fittings are still visible, but… to give benefit of the doubt 
… maybe they have a device which can use several kinds of heat as a thermal 
trigger and they are choosing natural gas.

 

It would make sense to have a dual fueled boiler, in any event.

 

If the LENR part fails, then at least heat is available from the gas.

 

 

From: Jed Rothwell 

 

Terry Blanton  wrote:

 

These guys are frauds.  That boiler is stolen from Utica:

 

It is not well disguised. The URL at Brillouin is "Utica.jpg"

 

http://brillouinenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Utica.jpg

 

At least they went to the trouble to photoshop the nameplates. Have some 
respect!

 

- Jed

[Vo]:Betz's law and circulation/vorticity

2015-07-17 Thread David Jonsson

Hi

Can someone help me calculate the circulation (or vorticity,  ∇×v ) in
flows where Betz's law is used?

I think I know a way. It would be interesting to see if others find a way.

My way involves the following reasoning.

Betz's law determines the power taken from the flow and brought into the
turbine. This is equal to a force on the turbine equal to F = P / v.

Another way to determine the force on the turbine is to use
the Kutta–Joukowski theorem.

Do these two methods give the same result?

Maybe some other meaningful relation can be found by setting the force from
the two methods equal.

David

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

Jones Beene  wrote:

> It is possible that they worked with Utica, and have modified a stock unit
> to be fueled via LENR…
>

I guess that is plausible, but it seems unlikely to me. I doubt a LENR
version would look exactly like a gas-fired version.

> It would make sense to have a dual fueled boiler, in any event.
>

It would have to be much larger than their gas-fired-only version. It isn't.

I do not see any point to this. If the thing is not reliable no one would
use it even if it saves money. If you need very high reliability for some
critical application (such as a medical device) you should get two
complete, stand-alone devices. In this case, one would be powered by LENR
and the other by gas.

- Jed

[Vo]:Re: Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction

2015-07-17 Thread Bob Cook

The coupling of fermions via spin with nucleons to allow mass conversion may 
require many coherent ferimons to improve the odds that spin, angular 
momentum charge and mass can be conserved.  A  special nano structure with a 
varying magnetic field and resonant temperature conditions (lattice 
vibrations) may be what is necessary.


At least that is what seems generally   involved in reported test parameters 
in Pd and Ni systems.


The LENR reaction parameters are not the same as appear to control particles 
with significant kinetic energy and linear momentum where mass is changed to 
energy.   IMHO the coherent nano systems must couple in a different manner 
than occurs in particle collision reactions.   Free high energy entities do 
not seem to happen very often because the multi-body  system is not 
configured properly most of the time.


Bob Cook

ppen in

-Original Message- 
From: Jones Beene

Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 6:44 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction

Sounds a bit like a new type of fermionm

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/materials/exotic-particles
-could-lead-to-faster-electronics



-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com


In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:58:49 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]

Now I wonder whether it would be possible to conserve spin with the
appropriate selection of electrons:

   -1/2 + 1/2 + -1/2 + 1/2 + ... + 1/2 + 1/2 = 1

Each electron will in turn emit a photon, which is again angular
momentum n=1, so I'm not sure how that factors in as a consideration.

It seems improbable to me that there would be two [dd]* resonances with
antiparallel spin underway at the same time.


This is an interesting idea, but again the question arises, why doesn't this
happen with normal decay reactions?

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:on miniature black holes

2015-07-17 Thread Eric Walker

I found this short video an entertaining and helpful primer on miniature
black holes.  I later learned that the narrator is reading straight from
the text of an answer to a question on Reddit, "What if there was a black
hole in your pocket?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nHBGFKLHZQ

Eric

Re: [Vo]:on miniature black holes

Good recent article on black holes forming wormholes through quantum
entanglement.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/20150424-wormholes-entanglement-firewalls-er-epr/

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> I found this short video an entertaining and helpful primer on miniature
> black holes.  I later learned that the narrator is reading straight from
> the text of an answer to a question on Reddit, "What if there was a black
> hole in your pocket?"
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nHBGFKLHZQ
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:on miniature black holes

2015-07-17 Thread Lennart Thornros

Very entertaining.
I assume most people have much lesser black holes in their pocket and those
black holes are selective they only take green stuff.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com
lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment
to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> I found this short video an entertaining and helpful primer on miniature
> black holes.  I later learned that the narrator is reading straight from
> the text of an answer to a question on Reddit, "What if there was a black
> hole in your pocket?"
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nHBGFKLHZQ
>
> Eric
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

2015-07-17 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson

Ok!

 

Do you need my password?

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

>From Chem E. Stewart

 

I accept Pay Pal...

On Friday, July 17, 2015, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
mailto:orionwo...@charter.net> > wrote:

Cool!

 

Sign me up. Don't have anything yet to show me? No problemo! I trust you. Will 
you let me be your cheerleader?

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks  

 

From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com 
 ] 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 8:40 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

 

Guys,

 

I am designing a new spaceship with a warp drive and I am looking for 
investors, I have the prototype working...

 

  

 

 

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/clark_el/blog/uss-enterprise-vs-battlestar-galactica/92202/

 

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Jed Rothwell  > wrote:

Terry Blanton  > wrote:

 

Found this using the google image search.  Really cool app.

 

That is amazing.

 

I tested it for this image and found it in several websites, in different sizes:

 

http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Bockrisandcells.jpg

 

Google correctly identified it as "john bockris" (lowercase).

 

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction

The new particle, Weyl Fermions is a Quasiparticle. It does not exist as a
seperate particle. The electron is made up of a number of properties that
can be seperated out and expressed in interactions with condensed matter.
This special crystal stucture where the Weyl was found does that
seperation.  Since the Weyl Fermion is massless and exists at the speed of
light, this implies that certain electron properties produce mass by
interacting with the higgs field.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Bob Cook  wrote:

> The coupling of fermions via spin with nucleons to allow mass conversion
> may require many coherent ferimons to improve the odds that spin, angular
> momentum charge and mass can be conserved.  A  special nano structure with
> a varying magnetic field and resonant temperature conditions (lattice
> vibrations) may be what is necessary.
>
> At least that is what seems generally   involved in reported test
> parameters in Pd and Ni systems.
>
> The LENR reaction parameters are not the same as appear to control
> particles with significant kinetic energy and linear momentum where mass is
> changed to energy.   IMHO the coherent nano systems must couple in a
> different manner than occurs in particle collision reactions.   Free high
> energy entities do not seem to happen very often because the multi-body
> system is not configured properly most of the time.
>
> Bob Cook
>
> ppen in
>
> -Original Message- From: Jones Beene
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 6:44 AM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
>
> Sounds a bit like a new type of fermionm
>
>
> http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/materials/exotic-particles
> -could-lead-to-faster-electronics
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mix...@bigpond.com
>
>
> In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:58:49 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>
>> Now I wonder whether it would be possible to conserve spin with the
>> appropriate selection of electrons:
>>
>>-1/2 + 1/2 + -1/2 + 1/2 + ... + 1/2 + 1/2 = 1
>>
>> Each electron will in turn emit a photon, which is again angular
>> momentum n=1, so I'm not sure how that factors in as a consideration.
>>
>> It seems improbable to me that there would be two [dd]* resonances with
>> antiparallel spin underway at the same time.
>>
>
> This is an interesting idea, but again the question arises, why doesn't
> this
> happen with normal decay reactions?
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

[Vo]:Re: Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction

2015-07-17 Thread Bob Cook

Axil, Jones, Robin and Eric--

The following abstract is about Weyl Fermions and the conversion of fermions to 
bosons in a neutrino field--

We study fermion-boson transitions. Our approach is based on the
3 × 3 subequations of Dirac and Duffin-Kemmer-Petiau equations, which
link these equations. We demonstrate that free Dirac equation can be
invertibly converted to spin-0 Duffin-Kemmer-Petiau equation in presence
of a neutrino field. We also show that in special external fields, upon
assuming again existence of a neutrino (Weyl) spinor, the Dirac equation
can be transformed reversibly to spin-0 Duffin-Kemmer-Petiau equation.
We argue that such boson-fermions transitions are consistent with the
main channel of pion decay.

See the following reference:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.04348.pdf

Bob Cook







From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 12:52 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction

The new particle, Weyl Fermions is a Quasiparticle. It does not exist as a 
seperate particle. The electron is made up of a number of properties that can 
be seperated out and expressed in interactions with condensed matter. This 
special crystal stucture where the Weyl was found does that seperation.  Since 
the Weyl Fermion is massless and exists at the speed of light, this implies 
that certain electron properties produce mass by interacting with the higgs 
field.  

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Bob Cook  wrote:

  The coupling of fermions via spin with nucleons to allow mass conversion may 
require many coherent ferimons to improve the odds that spin, angular momentum 
charge and mass can be conserved.  A  special nano structure with a varying 
magnetic field and resonant temperature conditions (lattice vibrations) may be 
what is necessary.

  At least that is what seems generally   involved in reported test parameters 
in Pd and Ni systems.

  The LENR reaction parameters are not the same as appear to control particles 
with significant kinetic energy and linear momentum where mass is changed to 
energy.   IMHO the coherent nano systems must couple in a different manner than 
occurs in particle collision reactions.   Free high energy entities do not seem 
to happen very often because the multi-body  system is not configured properly 
most of the time.

  Bob Cook

  ppen in

  -Original Message- From: Jones Beene
  Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 6:44 AM
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction

  Sounds a bit like a new type of fermionm

  http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/materials/exotic-particles
  -could-lead-to-faster-electronics



  -Original Message-
  From: mix...@bigpond.com


  In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:58:49 -0500:
  Hi,
  [snip]

Now I wonder whether it would be possible to conserve spin with the
appropriate selection of electrons:

   -1/2 + 1/2 + -1/2 + 1/2 + ... + 1/2 + 1/2 = 1

Each electron will in turn emit a photon, which is again angular
momentum n=1, so I'm not sure how that factors in as a consideration.

It seems improbable to me that there would be two [dd]* resonances with
antiparallel spin underway at the same time.


  This is an interesting idea, but again the question arises, why doesn't this
  happen with normal decay reactions?

  Regards,

  Robin van Spaandonk

  http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:Holmild laser fusion

http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/07/17/icelandic_scientist_may_have_found_solution_to_glob/

The Sveinn Ólafsson news can reveal some insights into the LENR reaction.
The LENR reaction produced by the LASER pulse is different from the Rossi
reaction because it produces high energy protons rather than thermalized
heat energy. This explosive reaction looks like the reaction that produces
pressure in the Papp engine and is without heat. It is unlikely that this
Leif Holmild reaction is a hot fusion reaction. It is more likely a
reaction based on quantum mechanical entanglement and coherence in a
aggregation of hydrogen crystals.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0912/0912.5414.pdf
Note the pictures of the rydberg matter in the figures at the end of this
paper

F. Winterberg, University of Nevada, Reno, has a reaction mechanism that I
like a lot. It is based on a electron vortex and a Bose Einstein
condensate(BEC) being imposed on the ultra dense hydrogen crystals of
rydberg matter. But unlike F. Winterberg thinking, I believe that the LASER
pulse produces the BEC over the area that it irradiates.

See
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1302/1302.2781.pdf

After the LASER pulse, a very large number of high energy protons up to 14
MeV are detected and measures by test equipment, Up to 10^7 in number. That
number exceeds any number of atoms that can be found in a rydberg crystal.
The LASER must set up a BEC that covers a large number of individual
Rydberg crystals.

Where the aggregation of crystals form a BEC, they become entangles and
coherent. They act as a superatom. The laser changes the nature of the
electrons into polaritons that form a vortex ring that reposition deuterium
ions(protons, neutrons) at its center, These ions combine because they are
so close in terms of QM entanglement; not PHYSICAL LOCATION. The deuterium
atoms are separated physically, but overlap quantum mechanically. When the
LASER pulse is complete, the superposition of the protons is resolved and
the energy of the fusion of deuterium ions is imparted to the millions of
protons in the QM core of the aggregation. But what makes the difference
now, the LASER beam is not capable of connecting the region of positive
vacuum energy with the associated negitive vacuum energy region so the
energy produced by fusion is not thermalized over the population of
polaritons. The LASER produces entanglement and not the polaritons so the
polaritons do not get the energy, and the polaritons do not thermalize the
energy from fusion.

The important point to understand is that actual location of the deuterium
atoms does not matter, the BEC moves all the atoms via the 5th dimension so
that their wave forms all overlap.

The formation of the BEC makes the LASER more powerful to induce fusion
than does all the power produced in the National Ignition Facility, or NIF.
There, a laser beam of 500 terawatt (TW) peak flash of light cannot produce
fusion in dueterium. But with rydberg matter of deuterium, fusion using a
laser is easy.

On the other hand, the Sveinn Ólafsson’s reaction is the Rossi reaction
where potassium doped iron oxide produces the polariton vortexes the
catalize the fusion of deuterium and thermalize the nuclear energy of that
fusion into heat.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction

2015-07-17 Thread mixent

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 17 Jul 2015 01:17:15 -0400:
Hi,
>How does your wonder particle stop at neutron formation just at Ni62?
[snip]

I previously posted the following to Vortex on Oct. 9 2014, but can't get the
archive to show me posts for 2014.
_

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:22:13 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]

Li7 + Ni58 => Ni59 + Li6 + 1.75 MeV
Li7 + Ni59 => Ni60 + Li6 + 4.14 MeV
Li7 + Ni60 => Ni61 + Li6 + 0.57 MeV
Li7 + Ni61 => Ni62 + Li6 + 3.34 MeV
Li7 + Ni62 => Ni63 + Li6 - 0.41 MeV (Endothermic!)

This series stops at Ni62, hence all isotopes of Ni less than 62 are depleted
and Ni62 is strongly enriched.

I have only briefly skimmed the report, but the basic reaction appears to be a
neutron transfer reaction where a neutron tunnels from Li7 to a Nickel isotope.
The excess energy of the reaction appears as kinetic energy of the two resultant
nuclei (i.e. Li6 & the new Ni isotope), rather than as gamma rays. Because there
are two daughter nuclei, momentum can be conserved while dumping the energy as
kinetic energy in a reaction that is much faster then gamma ray emission.
Because both nuclei are "heavy" and slow moving, very little to no
bremsstrahlung is produced. There is effectively no secondary gamma from Li6
because the first excited state is too high. (I haven't checked Li7). There is
unlikely to be anything significant from Ni because the high charge on the
nucleus combined with the "3" from Lithium tend to keep them apart (minimum
distance 31 fm).

It would be nice to know if the total amounts of each of Li & Ni in the sample
were conserved (I'll have to study the report more closely).
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction

But how did the lithium get inside and at the center of the nickel
particle. A few post ago you invented a new type of neutral particle do do
that.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:05 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 17 Jul 2015 01:17:15 -0400:
> Hi,
> >How does your wonder particle stop at neutron formation just at Ni62?
> [snip]
>
> I previously posted the following to Vortex on Oct. 9 2014, but can't get
> the
> archive to show me posts for 2014.
>
> _
>
> In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:22:13 -0700:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>
> Li7 + Ni58 => Ni59 + Li6 + 1.75 MeV
> Li7 + Ni59 => Ni60 + Li6 + 4.14 MeV
> Li7 + Ni60 => Ni61 + Li6 + 0.57 MeV
> Li7 + Ni61 => Ni62 + Li6 + 3.34 MeV
> Li7 + Ni62 => Ni63 + Li6 - 0.41 MeV (Endothermic!)
>
> This series stops at Ni62, hence all isotopes of Ni less than 62 are
> depleted
> and Ni62 is strongly enriched.
>
> I have only briefly skimmed the report, but the basic reaction appears to
> be a
> neutron transfer reaction where a neutron tunnels from Li7 to a Nickel
> isotope.
> The excess energy of the reaction appears as kinetic energy of the two
> resultant
> nuclei (i.e. Li6 & the new Ni isotope), rather than as gamma rays. Because
> there
> are two daughter nuclei, momentum can be conserved while dumping the
> energy as
> kinetic energy in a reaction that is much faster then gamma ray emission.
> Because both nuclei are "heavy" and slow moving, very little to no
> bremsstrahlung is produced. There is effectively no secondary gamma from
> Li6
> because the first excited state is too high. (I haven't checked Li7).
> There is
> unlikely to be anything significant from Ni because the high charge on the
> nucleus combined with the "3" from Lithium tend to keep them apart (minimum
> distance 31 fm).
>
> It would be nice to know if the total amounts of each of Li & Ni in the
> sample
> were conserved (I'll have to study the report more closely).
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Holmild laser fusion

2015-07-17 Thread Frank Znidarsic



The important point to understand is that actual location of the deuterium 
atoms does not matter, the BEC moves all the atoms via the 5th dimension so 
that their wave forms all overlap. 




No fifth dimension needed.  "The Constants of the motion tend toward the 
electromagnetic in a Bose condensate that is vibrated at a dimensional 
frequency of 1.094 mega hertz meters."


Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction - LiHy4-.pdf

2015-07-17 Thread mixent

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 17 Jul 2015 19:21:04 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>But how did the lithium get inside and at the center of the nickel
>particle. A few post ago you invented a new type of neutral particle do do
>that.

The neutral particle is a triangle of Hydrinohydride ions (each with a charge of
-1), with a Lithium nucleus (+3) at the center of the triangle.

The negative particle is a tetrahedron of Hydrinohydride ions with Li+++ at the
core, IOW = the neutral triangle with an extra Hydrinohydride added.

Both particles are created through one by one addition of Hydrinohydride to a
Lithium atom. Each time a Hydrinohydride ion is added it displaces an existing
electron from the atom, until there are no electrons left. Because electrons are
displaced, the particle is neutral overall until the fourth Hydrinohydride is
added.
The calculation of energy released as the particle is built up is in the
attached pdf document.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html


LiHy4-.pdf
Description: Binary data

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

I wrote:

> It is possible that they worked with Utica, and have modified a stock unit
>> to be fueled via LENR…
>>
>
> I guess that is plausible, but it seems unlikely to me. I doubt a LENR
> version would look exactly like a gas-fired version.
>

Not to beat a dead horse . . . But if this is a collaboration with Utica,
they should say something like: "Image courtesy Utica Corp."

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction - LiHy4-.pdf

If the Ni62 reaction is based on Li, and the nickel is completely converted
to Ni62, then the particle should be complettely saturated with lithium on
an atom for atom basis.

But the percentage of lithium was reduced from 1.17% as fuel, to 0.03% as
shown on the last page of the Lugano report. This indicates that Lithium
was not involved in the Ni52 conversion.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 17 Jul 2015 19:21:04 -0400:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >But how did the lithium get inside and at the center of the nickel
> >particle. A few post ago you invented a new type of neutral particle do do
> >that.
>
> The neutral particle is a triangle of Hydrinohydride ions (each with a
> charge of
> -1), with a Lithium nucleus (+3) at the center of the triangle.
>
> The negative particle is a tetrahedron of Hydrinohydride ions with Li+++
> at the
> core, IOW = the neutral triangle with an extra Hydrinohydride added.
>
> Both particles are created through one by one addition of Hydrinohydride
> to a
> Lithium atom. Each time a Hydrinohydride ion is added it displaces an
> existing
> electron from the atom, until there are no electrons left. Because
> electrons are
> displaced, the particle is neutral overall until the fourth Hydrinohydride
> is
> added.
> The calculation of energy released as the particle is built up is in the
> attached pdf document.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>

[Vo]:The Land of Fire and Ice

2015-07-17 Thread James Bowery

The land of fire and ice is emitting steamy news.


News | Iceland Monitor | Fri 17 Jul 2015 | 12.00 GMT

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Icelandic scientist may have found solution to global energy crisis
[image: Scientist Sveinn Ólafsson.]


Scientist Sveinn Ólafsson. Photo: Árni Sæberg

Scientist Sveinn Ólafsson believes he has, in collaboration with a Swedish
chemist, come up with a way to generate energy with low energy nuclear
reactions. A detailed description of the process is explained in
Morgunblaðið newspaper today. This important discovery could offer an
endless and cheap source of energy for all humankind.

These results were published in The International Journal of Hydrogen Energy
 on
Wednesday and further experiments have already begun. "Cold fusion means
the fusion of hydrogen isotopes into helium. In the fusion process, energy
is released as a kinetic energy of a particle of heat," says Ólafsson who
believes he has found a forward path to solve the global energy crisis.

Ólafsson says that his Swedish colleague, Leif Holmild, has researched the
fusion process for ten years. In late year 2013, Ólafsson approaced Holmild
following the publication of a scientific article by the Swedish chemist.

The topic was the fusion of hydrogen isotopes into helium with the help of
a laser. As the laser requires energy this process does not crease any
surplus energy.

Simply put, Ólafsson believed that the Rydberg matter catalyser used in
Holmild‘s experiment could be used to fuse the hydrogen isotopes into
helium without the laser. But this catalyser is the reason for 25 years of
reported cold fusion phenomena. Subsequently, Ólafsson and Holmild
continued the experiment without the laser and then discovered that process
released energy.

Twenty-six years ago, the scientists Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons,
announced that their apparatus seemed to have produced cold fusion. The
results were disputed.

"Scientists who worked on cold fusion were discredited,“ says Ólafsson. "If
our method works on a large scale it could contribute to the solution of
the global energy crisis."

Further information on cold fusion can be seen on the following links:

http://coldfusionnow.org/

http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction - LiHy4-.pdf

2015-07-17 Thread mixent

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 17 Jul 2015 21:12:56 -0400:
Hi,

1) Lithium could get out the same way it got in.
2) ICP-AES relies on electron spectra, but the particles I'm talking about have
   no more electrons in normal orbitals, so the Li will not show up in the
   analysis. If anything the report actually lends support to my hypothesis.

>If the Ni62 reaction is based on Li, and the nickel is completely converted
>to Ni62, then the particle should be complettely saturated with lithium on
>an atom for atom basis.
>
>But the percentage of lithium was reduced from 1.17% as fuel, to 0.03% as
>shown on the last page of the Lugano report. This indicates that Lithium
>was not involved in the Ni52 conversion.
>
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction - LiHy4-.pdf