Re: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

[Michael Foster]

 Jones, your comment made me laugh out loudGlad someone still has a sense 
of humor in these times.




On Thursday, February 25, 2021, 04:45:27 PM GMT+1, JonesBeene 
 wrote:


 

Could it really be that simple?

 
  

Re: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

[Robin]

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Sat, 27 Feb 2021 00:28:36 +0100:
Hi Jürg,

Next question. Can a "fat photon" bind to a proton resonance? IOW are you sure 
the "fat photon" loses it's
identity/internal structure when bound in an atom?


>What is a free electron, i.e. as used in an x-ray tube?
>
>Good question!
>
>Live - all the chemistry that forms/carries it - happens between the 
>electron and the proton (inside nuclei). So we stay in between.
>
>Physically a free electron behaves like a fat photon with a locked in 
>wave that is responsible for its internal charge coupling - hence mass.
>
>As in general relativity you can always find math to explain it 
>differently, but this will not change the three only observable of an 
>electron. It's mass, magnetic moment and the electron g-factor. Charge 
>is an attribute=axiom. But all factors are connected and not fully 
>independent.
>
>But if an electron can be free is questionable as everywhere, there is 
>mass and most mass has a magnetic moment, hence there will be interaction.
>
>J.W.
>
>On 26.02.2021 21:41, Robin wrote:
>> In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Fri, 26 Feb 2021 20:05:31 +0100:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>>> No the electron has no stable strong force radius.
>>>
>>> You can only measure the electron g-factor, where as you can get it from
>>> a metric transformation from the proton strong force equation.
>>>
>>> Physics will change. More radically as some will like.
>>>
>>> J.W.
>> What is a free electron, i.e. as used in an x-ray tube?
>>

Re: [Vo]:Many years later...

[Jed Rothwell]

Don't fret about it. We have thick skin in this business. Welcome back!

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 10:10 PM Kyle Mcallister 
wrote:

> Hello again, Vortexians.
>
> It's been a long time, perhaps 10 years or so since I've been here. I
> can't recall exactly, but that was another life. You'd be surprised how
> much can change in that time, and how much you look back on with regret and
> sorrow.
> I'll start off by saying, if there are people here that were
> (fortunately?) not here back when I was, most of this won't make any sense.
> For that I apologize, and you can stop reading now if you wish. But there
> are still those here that do remember. We did have some good times, and
> some good discussions, and I'll always treasure those.
>
> But there were plenty of bad times and bad feelings that I think were left
> unresolved, and I take the blame for that. I wasn't a particularly good
> person back then, and upon the private suggestion of another member of the
> group, I finally took my leave and didn't plan to return. . . .

Re: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

What is a free electron, i.e. as used in an x-ray tube?

Good question!

Live - all the chemistry that forms/carries it - happens between the 
electron and the proton (inside nuclei). So we stay in between.


Physically a free electron behaves like a fat photon with a locked in 
wave that is responsible for its internal charge coupling - hence mass.


As in general relativity you can always find math to explain it 
differently, but this will not change the three only observable of an 
electron. It's mass, magnetic moment and the electron g-factor. Charge 
is an attribute=axiom. But all factors are connected and not fully 
independent.


But if an electron can be free is questionable as everywhere, there is 
mass and most mass has a magnetic moment, hence there will be interaction.


J.W.

On 26.02.2021 21:41, Robin wrote:

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Fri, 26 Feb 2021 20:05:31 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]

No the electron has no stable strong force radius.

You can only measure the electron g-factor, where as you can get it from
a metric transformation from the proton strong force equation.

Physics will change. More radically as some will like.

J.W.

What is a free electron, i.e. as used in an x-ray tube?


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

[Robin]

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Fri, 26 Feb 2021 20:05:31 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
>No the electron has no stable strong force radius.
>
>You can only measure the electron g-factor, where as you can get it from 
>a metric transformation from the proton strong force equation.
>
>Physics will change. More radically as some will like.
>
>J.W.
What is a free electron, i.e. as used in an x-ray tube?

Re: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

[Axil Axil]

The equation of a Light Leptonic Magnetic Monopole
and its Experimental Aspects
Georges Lochak

Urutskoiev produces a boatload of math that shows in part that the EVO is a
tachyon.

This is a smoking gun for tachyonic condensation which shows in detail the
inner structure of the EVO.

This is the dispersion relation of a *supraluminal particle, a tachyon. *The
wave equations (12.2) seem to be the first ones in which tachyons appear
without any ad hoc condition. These nonlinear equations can be evaluated in
various ways which in detail are described in the papers quoted in the
References, especially [7].


On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 9:46 PM Axil Axil  wrote:

> There is a formal analogy between the Higgs mechanism and
> superconductivity. The historical record provides ample evidence that
> analogies between superconductivity and particle physics played an
> important heuristic role in the development of the Higgs model.
>
> But what has recently hit my hot button was the possibility that this
> analogy may be more than a formal one but actually a physical one. The
> Mexican hat potential and spontaneous symmetry breaking are present in both
> these mechanisms.
>
> It has recently been discovered that irradiating a superconductor with a
> laser will generate polaritons which inherit their Mexican hat potential
> from their superconducting electron feedstock. A highly probable slow light
> mixing cavity  will maximize the light/matter quasiparticle environment
> that surrounds the superconductor.  It has been experimentally verified
> that the  polaritons that are produced by the superconductor will generate
> a tachyonic Higgs field. These quasiparticles are called cavity Higgs
> polaritons.
>
> This serendipity opens up a physical platform where Spontaneous symmetry
> breaking, Bose condensation, the Higgs field, and tachyonic condensation
> open up the door to a realization of the predictions of string theory such
> as black strings and bubbles of metastable AdS space. Generating a
> metastable bubble of AdS  space would enable the possible experimental
> production of topological vortex-like defects such as  the 'tHooft-Polyakov
> monopole. Furthermore, the radius of curvature of anti de Sitter space
> provides an extra length scale that could allow the study of the equations
> of motion in a limit where the masses of the Higgs field and the massive
> vector bosons are both vanishing. This alone might allow the study of how
> matter and forces behave in a new AdS based universe  let alone allow for
> the availability of an experimental platform on which many of the posits of
> string theory can be physically tested in a real world rooted experimental
>  system.
>
> This analogy explains how the Holmlid mechanism works. In the AdS bubble,
> the Higgs field is disabled which allows the black string to convert matter
> to energy. The energy is then transferred to the AdS environment which
> surrounds the black string where matter reforms in a new configuration.
>
> This discussion about tachyon condensation provides theoretical context on
> how an AdS bubble is structured and how that bubble decomposes and reforms
> matter.
>
> https://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/chord18/tachycond/rm/jwvideo.html
>

Re: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

No the electron has no stable strong force radius.

You can only measure the electron g-factor, where as you can get it from 
a metric transformation from the proton strong force equation.


Physics will change. More radically as some will like.

J.W.

On 26.02.2021 19:54, Robin wrote:a

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:06:39 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]

The electron is an exact resonance of the proton. We can calculate all
electron properties from the proton properties.

This is how nature works along magnetism.


J.W.

Does that mean you could also calculate all the proton properties from the 
electron?


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

[Robin]

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:06:39 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
>The electron is an exact resonance of the proton. We can calculate all 
>electron properties from the proton properties.
>
>This is how nature works along magnetism.
>
>
>J.W.

Does that mean you could also calculate all the proton properties from the 
electron?

RE: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jpones—

I do not consider it is that simple!

Bob Cook

PS:   However  I applaud Axil’s work to simplify the SM.

BC

From: JonesBeene
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:45 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works


Could it really be  that simple?


From: Axil Axil

There is a formal analogy between the Higgs mechanism and superconductivity. 
The historical record provides ample evidence that analogies between 
superconductivity and particle physics played an important heuristic role in 
the development of the Higgs model.

But what has recently hit my hot button was the possibility that this analogy 
may be more than a formal one but actually a physical one. The Mexican hat 
potential and spontaneous symmetry breaking are present in both these 
mechanisms.

It has recently been discovered that irradiating a superconductor with a laser 
will generate polaritons which inherit their Mexican hat potential from their 
superconducting electron feedstock. A highly probable slow light mixing cavity  
will maximize the light/matter quasiparticle environment that surrounds the 
superconductor.  It has been experimentally verified that the  polaritons that 
are produced by the superconductor will generate a tachyonic Higgs field. These 
quasiparticles are called cavity Higgs polaritons.

This serendipity opens up a physical platform where Spontaneous symmetry 
breaking, Bose condensation, the Higgs field, and tachyonic condensation open 
up the door to a realization of the predictions of string theory such as black 
strings and bubbles of metastable AdS space. Generating a metastable bubble of 
AdS  space would enable the possible experimental production of topological 
vortex-like defects such as  the 'tHooft-Polyakov monopole. Furthermore, the 
radius of curvature of anti de Sitter space provides an extra length scale that 
could allow the study of the equations of motion in a limit where the masses of 
the Higgs field and the massive vector bosons are both vanishing. This alone 
might allow the study of how matter and forces behave in a new AdS based 
universe  let alone allow for the availability of an experimental platform on 
which many of the posits of string theory can be physically tested in a real 
world rooted experimental  system.

This analogy explains how the Holmlid mechanism works. In the AdS bubble, the 
Higgs field is disabled which allows the black string to convert matter to 
energy. The energy is then transferred to the AdS environment which surrounds 
the black string where matter reforms in a new configuration.

This discussion about tachyon condensation provides theoretical context on how 
an AdS bubble is structured and how that bubble decomposes and reforms matter.

https://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/chord18/tachycond/rm/jwvideo.html

[Vo]:"Ash" analysis options for the amateur

[Kyle Mcallister]

Vortexians,

Having worked in the automotive industry for a long time, I've encountered 
various things that can be of use to the amateur scientist. A lot of them are 
not applicable here, but one that came back to mind the other day I thought I 
should put out there, and maybe you guys can offer your thoughts on it.

Getting "ash" from various experiments analyzed can be expensive, perhaps out 
of reach of the "little guy". But as things go, there are cheaper commercial 
options out there for certain markets... namely, engine oil analysis. An outfit 
called Blackstone Labs is one of the companies that does this, and a few of our 
customers have used them in the past. I know there are others. $30.00 isn't 
expensive, and while maybe not the best "peer review" quality results, it 
should at least be useful for personal testing...once kinks are worked out and 
something is reliable, then the more expensive professional labs can be brought 
in.

Since they only use motor oil, a possibility would be to get some standard 
grade of no-frills oil, maybe even non-detergent, just a basic oil, and take 
two equal measures of it. This would be brand new, unused of course. One leave 
as it is, this is your control. To the other, add some of the "ash" whatever it 
might be. That's your experimental. Since the oil carrier itself is the same, 
once it's sent in and analyzed you should be able to determine the relative 
difference of some elements and get a feel for the composition of the ash. 
Alternatively, send three samples. One a baseline with just oil, second a 
control with your experiments ingredients before the experiment was run, third, 
oil with the post-experiment ash.

Obviously you wouldn't want to send anything very hazardous or radioactive. I 
doubt small amounts of nickel or palladium or whatever would be a problem.

Thoughts or input on this?

KRM

Re: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

The electron is an exact resonance of the proton. We can calculate all 
electron properties from the proton properties.


This is how nature works along magnetism.


J.W.

On 26.02.2021 08:20, Robin wrote:

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Fri, 26 Feb 2021 01:49:49 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]

All particles we know are resonances of the proton.

Don't you think a free electron is a bit light weight to be a proton resonance?

Maybe structures other than protons are also possible?


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06