Re:[Vo]:Electrostic Tornadoes and Hurricanes?

[Michael Foster]

I think we have a chicken and egg problem here. I'm not sure if it was Alfred 
Baez or I who have it backwards, if it is backwards. I can no longer find any 
reference to Baez's comments on this subject on the internet. Hey.. William 
Beaty, if you're asleep at your keyboard, wake up and help us out here. I'm 
pretty sure I first found a reference to Baez's hypothesis on your website. In 
any case, this whole idea is right up your alley.

This is really a quibble, but the idea of high winds creating friction between 
particles is something made up by an "expert" who needed to sound like he knew 
what he was talking about to a curious 12 year old. Hey Robin, let's rub a 
couple of water droplets together and get a high voltage charge, or ice 
crystals or whatever. It would be more likely influence, something like a 
Wimshurt machine. None of this really matters, but this description of the 
electrical charging of clouds has annoyed me for decades. Also, acoustic 
shockwaves generally break up particles rather than making them condense. Still 
quibbling.

But back to the subject at hand... Something has to drive a vortex and the 
winds at the edge of a tropical depression just aren't all tangential enough to 
do the job. When you stir your coffee, it swirls around for a few seconds and 
settles down. If you had a hole in the bottom of your coffee cup the vortex 
would become increasingly accelerated until all the coffee had drained out and 
ruined your table cloth.

As, by whatever means, the eye of a hurricane becomes more highly charged it 
would attract the uncharged or oppositely charged water droplets from outside 
the eye at an accellerated rate, thus making both the radial and linear 
velocity very high. So, if it's the cause or the effect can remain the subject 
of debate. Or perhaps it's both, one thing feeding the other.

But let's assume for the moment that you are completely correct and the 
electric charges in the eye are merely an effect of the phenomenon. There is 
still the possibility that these new electrostatic drones could dissipate or 
prevent hurricanes.  When a tropical depression occurs as a barometric low 
pressure area, it draws in warm moist air from the surrounding area and it 
becomes a tropical storm or sometimes a hurricane with heavy rainfall at the 
center, thus starting the vortex.

It might be that a fleet of these new electrostatic drones launched around the 
tropical depression could cause rainfall from the moist air before it arrives 
at the center. It seems to me a hurricane might be prevented by this method. I 
think it's worth a try, but it's a little beyond my budget at the moment.

=

Robin wrote:

I suspect he had it backwards. The high wind speeds in the eye wall create 
friction between particles which gives rise
to charge separation. Falling raindrops carry charge to the ground creating the 
potential difference that gives rise to
lightning.
Thunder produces shock waves in the air that drive smaller droplets together 
creating larger droplets that fall more
readily.

Re: [Vo]:Scientific Papers sign of desperation among Big pharma

[CB Sites]

First, I don't appreciate the kind of implied personal attack in your
reply.   I wasn't trying to attack you, your beliefs, or anything like
that, so chill.  I was just agreeing with Jed and reporting on a Washington
Post article that is appropriate to your propaganda.  The free press is
amazing in sorting out what is BS and what isn't, and considering there is
a Chinese influence program actively invading social media like this, and
you mention Sinovax, directed it to 'the west',  all I can say is your just
a propaganda weapon.

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 5:12 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> On 11.09.2021 18:03, CB Sites wrote:
> > As Jed was saying the studies on it have questionable methodologies
> > for testing on in the case of the largest study, it was retracted
> > again due to questionable data manipulation.  It really needs a large
> > double blind study (just as all the other vaccines have gone
> > through). It stands to make Merke (the big pharma that makes
> > Ivermectin) a lot of money and you can be sure they want it on the
> > list of available covid treatments.
> >
> > What is foolish is using Ivermectin as an excuse not to get the vax
> > now in its current form. .Two doses, it's free, easy to get, very
> > effective and it helps everyone by not consuming hospital resources
> > and morgue space (seriously).
>
>
> This is plain nonsense: The studies have been made and the mechanism of
> Ivermectin action is well understood as it works for all virus flu,
> Hanta, Zikka, Westnil. the same way.
>
> Merck makes no money with Ivermectin. They actively block it in favor of
> their already failed $  drug Molnupiravir.
>
> Asking for an other Ivermectin study is mafia meme. It comes from people
> that have the joy to watch people die that are on a placebo. We so far
> have 71 studies!
>
>
> In the western world no CoV-19 vaccine is sold - so far only Gene
> therapies. Sinovac is out, also the Cuban vaccine.  NOVAVAX is on hold
> because the mafia blocks it fabrication certification.
>
> Gene therapies give you zero immunity for CoV-19. These therapies only
> (force your body to) produce quasi monoclonal antibodies (short time
> protection only), that vastly wane after 5-6 months. So these pseudo
> vaccines are no solution and have a track record of being > 1000x more
> damaging than a regular flue vaccines.
>
> So the result of godfather Bidens action will be millions of damaged
> people and an even worse ADE outcome for vaccinated high risk patient
> taking a booster.
>
> Anybody with a clear brain understands, that at the end the damage from
> CoV-19 (usually only severely affecting people at age >65 here 97% )
> will be far lower than the overall damage from the states actions... So
> far USA is a world wide exception due to high obesity, related diabetes,
> heart,... problems. So the only advise for USA is use Ivermectin and for
> severe cases go into a hospital where the FLCCC protocol is in place.
> All other hospitals will kill you for $$.
>
> https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/math-plus-protocol/
>
> J.W.
>
> --
> Jürg Wyttenbach
> Bifangstr. 22
> 8910 Affoltern am Albis
>
> +41 44 760 14 18
> +41 79 246 36 06
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Electrostic Tornadoes and Hurricanes?

[Robin]

In reply to  Michael Foster's message of Sat, 11 Sep 2021 22:14:10 + (UTC):
Hi,
[snip]
>I think we have a chicken and egg problem here. I'm not sure if it was Alfred 
>Baez or I who have it backwards, if it is backwards. I can no longer find any 
>reference to Baez's comments on this subject on the internet. Hey.. William 
>Beaty, if you're asleep at your keyboard, wake up and help us out here. I'm 
>pretty sure I first found a reference to Baez's hypothesis on your website. In 
>any case, this whole idea is right up your alley.
>
>This is really a quibble, but the idea of high winds creating friction between 
>particles is something made up by an "expert" who needed to sound like he knew 
>what he was talking about to a curious 12 year old. Hey Robin, let's rub a 
>couple of water droplets together and get a high voltage charge, or ice 
>crystals or whatever. It would be more likely influence, something like a 
>Wimshurt machine. 

What you might get when you rub two water droplets together is a charge 
exchange, i.e. excess electron(s) on one
droplet, and excess proton(s) on the other. When the droplets are dragged 
apart, the voltage increases.
Protons might tunnel from one droplet to the other when they are close enough 
together, if there is a temporary unequal
charge distribution in the target droplet creating a local negative charge on 
the surface close to the other droplet,
&/or electrons might tunnel in the other direction for the same reason.

Or perhaps when the surface of the target droplet has the "chevrons" aligned 
such that the Oxygen atom is pointed toward
the other droplet, and an H3O+ ion happens to be close at hand on the source 
droplet. Alternatively, if you are correct
about shock waves breaking up rain drops, consider what you get when one or 
more protons gets left behind on one of the
droplets after breakup. This could be another source of charged droplets. When 
the two droplets are of different size
(usually the case), the bigger of the two will fall faster, thus separating 
them, and their charges.

What does bother me is that I would expect there to be just as many large 
positive droplets as large negative droplets,
so that on average no large field should exist. Clearly not what happens, or we 
wouldn't have lightning.

Maybe it's because an electron is lighter than H3O+?

This would tend to give rise to a positive ground charge, and a negative excess 
in the clouds.


>None of this really matters, but this description of the electrical charging 
>of clouds has annoyed me for decades. 

So tell us what part of it annoys you, maybe we can all benefit from your 
insight?

>Also, acoustic shockwaves generally break up particles rather than making them 
>condense. Still quibbling.

I think both occur. At the wave front particles being pushed outward will 
collide with stationary particles that are not
yet part of the wave. 

I have noticed that a short time after a thunderclap there is sometimes a 
sudden downpour, but that's just anecdotal,
and far from rigorous, and could also be because falling rain takes longer to 
reach the ground than the sound of
thunder, so the causality might be reversed.

>
>But back to the subject at hand... Something has to drive a vortex and the 
>winds at the edge of a tropical depression just aren't all tangential enough 
>to do the job.

Coriolis force at the outer edges usually causes initial rotation? Conservation 
of angular momentum speeds up the
rotation as air is pushed in toward the centre.


> When you stir your coffee, it swirls around for a few seconds and settles 
> down. If you had a hole in the bottom of your coffee cup the vortex would 
> become increasingly accelerated until all the coffee had drained out and 
> ruined your table cloth.

There is effectively a "hole" at the top of hurricanes and tornadoes. Cold at 
the top causes both air to contract and
water vapor to condense, both of which reduce the pressure locally, just as the 
hole in the bottom of the coffee cup
reduces the pressure locally (the bottom of the cup isn't "pushing back" where 
the hole is.)
BTW the reason this sounds as though I'm explaining to a 12 year old, is 
because that's how my mind works. I tend to
visualize things at that level.

>
>As, by whatever means, the eye of a hurricane becomes more highly charged it 
>would attract the uncharged or oppositely charged water droplets from outside 
>the eye at an accellerated rate, 

...but it would also repel like charged droplets, and why would it attract 
uncharged droplets?


>thus making both the radial and linear velocity very high. So, if it's the 
>cause or the effect can remain the subject of debate. Or perhaps it's both, 
>one thing feeding the other.
>
>But let's assume for the moment that you are completely correct and the 
>electric charges in the eye are merely an effect of the phenomenon. There is 
>still the possibility that these new electrostatic drones could dissipate or 
>prevent hurrica

Re: [Vo]:Stan Meyer rides again?

[Robin]

In reply to  William Beaty's message of Sat, 11 Sep 2021 13:49:41 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
>
>Here's a 2021 startup claiming to obtain H2 beyond PEM electrolyzers, by 
>using plasma and special frequencies.
>
>https://www.rechargenews.com/energy-transition/-our-plasma-electrolysers-will-cut-the-cost-of-green-hydrogen-by-a-factor-of-three-/2-1-1032895
>
The factor of 3 is close to what Mills gets without taking special measures to 
enhance the process, and a water plasma
seems to a good place to create Hydrinos. 
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

Re: [Vo]:Scientific Papers sign of desperation among Big pharma

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

On 11.09.2021 18:03, CB Sites wrote:
As Jed was saying the studies on it have questionable methodologies 
for testing on in the case of the largest study, it was retracted 
again due to questionable data manipulation.  It really needs a large 
double blind study (just as all the other vaccines have gone 
through). It stands to make Merke (the big pharma that makes 
Ivermectin) a lot of money and you can be sure they want it on the 
list of available covid treatments.


What is foolish is using Ivermectin as an excuse not to get the vax 
now in its current form. .Two doses, it's free, easy to get, very 
effective and it helps everyone by not consuming hospital resources 
and morgue space (seriously).



This is plain nonsense: The studies have been made and the mechanism of 
Ivermectin action is well understood as it works for all virus flu, 
Hanta, Zikka, Westnil. the same way.


Merck makes no money with Ivermectin. They actively block it in favor of 
their already failed $  drug Molnupiravir.


Asking for an other Ivermectin study is mafia meme. It comes from people 
that have the joy to watch people die that are on a placebo. We so far 
have 71 studies!



In the western world no CoV-19 vaccine is sold - so far only Gene 
therapies. Sinovac is out, also the Cuban vaccine.  NOVAVAX is on hold 
because the mafia blocks it fabrication certification.


Gene therapies give you zero immunity for CoV-19. These therapies only 
(force your body to) produce quasi monoclonal antibodies (short time 
protection only), that vastly wane after 5-6 months. So these pseudo 
vaccines are no solution and have a track record of being > 1000x more 
damaging than a regular flue vaccines.


So the result of godfather Bidens action will be millions of damaged 
people and an even worse ADE outcome for vaccinated high risk patient 
taking a booster.


Anybody with a clear brain understands, that at the end the damage from 
CoV-19 (usually only severely affecting people at age >65 here 97% ) 
will be far lower than the overall damage from the states actions... So 
far USA is a world wide exception due to high obesity, related diabetes, 
heart,... problems. So the only advise for USA is use Ivermectin and for 
severe cases go into a hospital where the FLCCC protocol is in place. 
All other hospitals will kill you for $$.


https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/math-plus-protocol/

J.W.

--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

[Vo]:Stan Meyer rides again?

[William Beaty]

Here's a 2021 startup claiming to obtain H2 beyond PEM electrolyzers, by 
using plasma and special frequencies.


https://www.rechargenews.com/energy-transition/-our-plasma-electrolysers-will-cut-the-cost-of-green-hydrogen-by-a-factor-of-three-/2-1-1032895

No FE machines here, nope nope.  (Just don't connect it to a fuel 
cell and use it to power itself.)


It's teh frequencies Kenneth!

 ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) 
William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
beaty, chem washington edu  Research Engineer
billb, amasci com   UW Chem Dept,  Bagley Hall RM74
x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700

Re: [Vo]:Scientific Papers sign of desperation among Big pharma

[Terry Blanton]

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>

Re: [Vo]:Scientific Papers sign of desperation among Big pharma

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 5:21 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> On 10.09.2021 22:09, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> >
> > As I said, if ivermectin could have this effect, this would be clear
> > from the double-blind clinical testing.
>
>
> If Jed would once read a paper and not just spread, what his FM buddies
> forward him, then he could see that it works!
>
> I sent the link some mails ago.
>
>
> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1 OF course
> big pharma never references it...
>

Did you read the comments?  :)

Re: [Vo]:Scientific Papers sign of desperation among Big pharma

[CB Sites]

There was a really good article in the Washington Post on Ivermectin which
lays out the pros and cons of the drug and the controversy surrounding it.
It comes down to people that are untrained buy veterinarian quality
Ivermectin and overdosing the med.As Jed was saying the studies on it
have questionable methodologies for testing on in the case of the largest
study, it was retracted again due to questionable data manipulation.  It
really needs a large double blind study (just as all the other vaccines
have gone through). It stands to make Merke (the big pharma that makes
Ivermectin) a lot of money and you can be sure they want it on the list of
available covid treatments.

What is foolish is using Ivermectin as an excuse not to get the vax now in
its current form. .Two doses, it's free, easy to get, very effective and it
helps everyone by not consuming hospital resources and morgue space
(seriously).  You have to wonder if Obama care wasn't in place whether
gitting covid wouldn't qualify you to have a pre-existing condition?

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 9:34 AM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> Jonathan Berry wrote: I have long studied repressed Cancer cures but never
> knew of Ivermectin.
>
>
> There are some key dates in Big pharma history.
>
>
> Until about 1970 everybody got his yearly worm cure. Basically
> Praziquantel. Praziquantel is a key drug that e.g. fights chlonorchis
> sinensis also call liver fluke. Most pancreas and bile cancer is caused by
> this fellow, that you e.g. get if you eat not so well cocked shrimps from
> far east (e.g. Vietnam). Also watercress is a known source.
>
> More important for the meat eaters are the nymphs of cow, pig tapeworms
> that can invade any organ in your body. Most brain strokes and also tumors
> are cause by these nice fellows.
>
> What happened around 1970?? The first chemo cure was introduced and in
> parallel countries have been ordered to stop distribute Praziquantel. So
> the main reason for a raising cancer rates is the deprivation of people
> from live saving drugs. Other deprived  drugs(in USA) are as simple
> Apricot/plum kernels = vitamin K = meracapto cyanide = induces apoptosis of
> malign cells (still free in Europe)
>
> Other famous anti cancer drugs are methadone (Heroin), Cannabis what in
> part explains the war against drugs...and not allowing a regular sale...
>
> So big pharma is not about curing you. It's about making money with your
> intentionally destroyed health.
>
>
> Regarding Ivermectin: There is a parallel drug called Nitazoxanide that is
> even more hidden than Ivermectin. Guess why?
>
> You cannot outplay Ivermectin: Why: A virus is dead and thus needs the
> living cell for replication. So if a drug stop this inside a cell then a
> virus action cannot unfold.
>
> Uttar Pradesh (and most India) states are successful because the use
> Ivermectin as a prophylaxis!
>
> J.W.
>
>
> On 11.09.2021 04:28, Jonathan Berry wrote:
>
> Well think about it, they are going to be exposed to it too.
> They need an effective cheap safe antidote.
>
> There are a LOT of suppressed cures for Cancer, including guess what,
> Ivermectin!
>
> I have long studied repressed Cancer cures but never knew of Ivermectin.
>
> My point is is one of the biggest most feared killers has many many cures
> and treatments more effective than Chemo, radiation and surgery but most
> don't know about them because "they" control the official narrative and
> only a small percentage of people aren't' too trusting and brainwashed...
>
> Then why should they fear that it will become overwhelmingly popular with
> COVID?
>
> Though they are scared that it will be realized, look at how many have
> fallen for this stupid experimental gene therapy mascerading as a Vaccine?
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 11 Sept 2021 at 11:02, Robin 
> wrote:
>
>> In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Fri, 10 Sep 2021 23:21:19 +0200:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>>
>> Hypothetically - a bio-warfare designed virus, might be created with a
>> cheap and commonly available "off switch" such as
>> Ivermectin??
>>
>>
>> >On 10.09.2021 22:09, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>> >>
>> >> As I said, if ivermectin could have this effect, this would be clear
>> >> from the double-blind clinical testing.
>> >
>> >
>> >If Jed would once read a paper and not just spread, what his FM buddies
>> >forward him, then he could see that it works!
>> >
>> >I sent the link some mails ago.
>> >
>> >
>> >https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1 OF course
>> >big pharma never references it
>> >
>> >Virus gone after two,days. PCR confirmed. Not so in placebo arm...
>> >
>> >J.W.
>> >
>> >PS: Only blind mice eat poison...
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk 
>>
>> --
> Jürg Wyttenbach
> Bifangstr. 22
> 8910 Affoltern am Albis
>
> +41 44 760 14 18
> +41 79 246 36 06
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Scientific Papers sign of desperation among Big pharma

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Jonathan Berry wrote: I have long studied repressed Cancer cures but 
never knew of Ivermectin.



There are some key dates in Big pharma history.


Until about 1970 everybody got his yearly worm cure. Basically 
Praziquantel. Praziquantel is a key drug that e.g. fights chlonorchis 
sinensis also call liver fluke. Most pancreas and bile cancer is caused 
by this fellow, that you e.g. get if you eat not so well cocked shrimps 
from far east (e.g. Vietnam). Also watercress is a known source.


More important for the meat eaters are the nymphs of cow, pig tapeworms 
that can invade any organ in your body. Most brain strokes and also 
tumors are cause by these nice fellows.


What happened around 1970?? The first chemo cure was introduced and in 
parallel countries have been ordered to stop distribute Praziquantel. So 
the main reason for a raising cancer rates is the deprivation of people 
from live saving drugs. Other deprived drugs(in USA) are as simple 
Apricot/plum kernels = vitamin K = meracapto cyanide = induces apoptosis 
of malign cells (still free in Europe)


Other famous anti cancer drugs are methadone (Heroin), Cannabis what in 
part explains the war against drugs...and not allowing a regular sale...


So big pharma is not about curing you. It's about making money with your 
intentionally destroyed health.



Regarding Ivermectin: There is a parallel drug called Nitazoxanide that 
is even more hidden than Ivermectin. Guess why?


You cannot outplay Ivermectin: Why: A virus is dead and thus needs the 
living cell for replication. So if a drug stop this inside a cell then a 
virus action cannot unfold.


Uttar Pradesh (and most India) states are successful because the use 
Ivermectin as a prophylaxis!


J.W.


On 11.09.2021 04:28, Jonathan Berry wrote:

Well think about it, they are going to be exposed to it too.
They need an effective cheap safe antidote.

There are a LOT of suppressed cures for Cancer, including guess what, 
Ivermectin!


I have long studied repressed Cancer cures but never knew of Ivermectin.

My point is is one of the biggest most feared killers has many many 
cures and treatments more effective than Chemo, radiation and surgery 
but most don't know about them because "they" control the official 
narrative and only a small percentage of people aren't' too trusting 
and brainwashed...


Then why should they fear that it will become overwhelmingly popular 
with COVID?


Though they are scared that it will be realized, look at how many have 
fallen for this stupid experimental gene therapy mascerading as a Vaccine?





On Sat, 11 Sept 2021 at 11:02, Robin > wrote:


In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Fri, 10 Sep 2021
23:21:19 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]

Hypothetically - a bio-warfare designed virus, might be created
with a cheap and commonly available "off switch" such as
Ivermectin??


>On 10.09.2021 22:09, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>>
>> As I said, if ivermectin could have this effect, this would be
clear
>> from the double-blind clinical testing.
>
>
>If Jed would once read a paper and not just spread, what his FM
buddies
>forward him, then he could see that it works!
>
>I sent the link some mails ago.
>
>
>https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1
 OF
course
>big pharma never references it
>
>Virus gone after two,days. PCR confirmed. Not so in placebo arm...
>
>J.W.
>
>PS: Only blind mice eat poison...
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk mailto:mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au>>


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Scientific Papers sign of desperation among Big pharma

[Jonathan Berry]

Maybe this is why they aretrying to discourage use of Ivermectin?!

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>From Dr Kory: Ivermectin dosing increase

Interesting, thanks for the summary! Antiviral drug resistance is a thing,
so if we’ve got this virus adapting to ivermectin so quickly, this may be
the reason why governments are trying to control it? Attempting to prevent
the virus from developing resistance too quickly to this and other drugs?
That kind of makes sense. Not that they are going to succeed, but at least
it explains why they are trying to deny access from outside of hospital
settings.


So that would make sense, they want it to remain effective for them.



On Sat, 11 Sept 2021 at 16:41, Robin 
wrote:

> In reply to  Jonathan Berry's message of Sat, 11 Sep 2021 14:30:37 +1200:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >I think it is possible they wanted it easily defeated because even those
> >who want to kill want to save themselves and others they need.
>
> Yes that's what I was getting at. If someone releases such a plague, they
> can never be sure to what extent society is
> going to collapse, so it pays to have a cure that is already in widespread
> use, and thus readily available in case of
> emergency.
> They just wouldn't want everyone to know about it.
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk 
>
>