[Vo]: Kim's Nuke
Art Bell was just talking about Kim's apology. He quipped that when it comes to nuclear detonations, sorry just doesn't cut it. This tickled my funny bone. IMHO, the Chinese leaned on him. I doubt that he's out of booze, and pornographic tapes, while not for ever, will last a long time. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
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On 10/18/06, OrionWorks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I bet there is a movie worth making here! It's already been done, "Team America". :-) Terry
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Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: >thomas sez: > >I just heard Fox news say that the NK did detonate an atom bomb. Last >night Hal Lindsey mentioned the 550 ton yield. Since the critical mass >>We can speculate till we're all glowing blue with radiation regarding Kim >>Jong's alleged predilections. Perhaps he does like his Scotch and wine. >> > I was making the point that Kim's decision to shoot off an atom bomb > or two, seems like the action of a lunatic. For one thing while our > ground forces are tied up, our naval and sea forces aren't. For > another thing, the Japanese Samari were sound asleep, and he woke > them up. OTOH, as long as the Chinese are willing to tolerate his > nonsense, I doubt that anything will be done. I would agree that China most likely holds the important cards. We shall just have to wait and see how tolerant and/or intolerant "the Dragon" chooses to be. > BTW, Kim's behavior is well documented. Have you ever heard about > his having people kidnapped and forcing them to acquiesce to his > whims? This includes young women, and a film producer. . You are likely referring to film producer, Shin Sang-ok. If you can believe what is printed in Wikipedia here are the more salient facts: *** >From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Sang-ok North Korean period (19781986) In 1978, actress Choi Eun-hee, recently divorced from Shin, was kidnapped from Hong Kong to North Korea. When Shin traveled to Hong Kong to investigate, he was kidnapped as well. The kidnappings were on orders of future dictator Kim Jong-il, who wanted to establish a film industry for his country to sway international opinion regarding the views of the Workers' Party of Korea.[4] The North Korean authorities have denied the kidnapping accusations, claiming that Shin came to the country willingly. Shin and his wife made secret audio tapes of conversations with Kim Jong-il, supporting his story." Shin was put in comfortable accommodations, but, after an escape attempt, was placed in prison. He was brought to Pyongyang in 1983, to learn why he had been brought to North Korea. [4] His ex-wife was also brought to the same dinner party, where she first learned that Shin was also in North Korea. They re-married shortly afterwards, as suggested by Kim Jong-il. >From 1983 Shin directed seven films with Kim Jong-il acting as an executive producer. The best known of these films is Pulgasari, a giant-monster film similar to the Japanese Godzilla, which can be seen as a metaphor for the effects of unchecked capitalism. In 1986, eight years after his kidnapping, Shin and his wife made a daring escape in Vienna[4], before eventually fleeing to the United States, seeking political asylum.[1] *** I bet there is a movie worth making here! In the meantime there are plenty of less documented rumors circulated among Kim's harshest critics for which the content appears to do nothing more than attempts to paint Kim as a degenerate nincompoop. Most of those rumors remain unsubstantiated, discounted, and unsupported. It might help to keep in mind the obvious fact that most nincompoops are not likely to be intelligent or wily enough to maintain political power, and particularly for as long as Kim has shrewdly managed to do so. There also appears to be little evidence to suggest the possibility that Kim is in danger of being replaced anytime soon, unless, of course, he drops his nuclear shoe. At that point all bets are off. Personally, I don't think Kim is deliberately planning to drop a nuclear shoe on anyone, and for obvious reasons. I suspect Kim has a far more convoluted "contingency" plan of action in mind, one that actually might work. FWIW, as I had speculated previously, Kim's political behavior resembles that of a martyr. His behavior of continued nuclear provocations suggests, at least to this observer, that in a cool, conscious, and calculated way he is deliberately trying to provoke the superpowers, (specifically, the United States!) into attacking his country FIRST in what he hopes will turn out to be a haphazard, ill-thought-out, and limited military campaign. He may be basing that reasoning on what he has seen happening to the United States and its continued debacles over in Iraq Land. From a leader with a martyr's POV, to be able to successfully provoke such an ill-planned military engagement originating from a hated superpower against his poor and starving county would quickly legitimize his regime and simultaneously bring condemnation and shame expressed from of the rest of the world on the doorstep of the belligerent Superpower. IOW, since Kim's options and resources are quickly dwindling to zilch, I suspect a major contingency plan he has had in place for some time is to attempt to provoke the United States into in a limited military campaign against his country. Instigating a limited milit
Re: [Vo]: Kim's nuke
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: thomas sez: I just heard Fox news say that the NK did detonate an atom bomb. Last night Hal Lindsey mentioned the 550 ton yield. Since the critical mass We can speculate till we're all glowing blue with radiation regarding Kim Jong's alleged predilections. Perhaps he does like his Scotch and wine. I was making the point that Kim's decision to shoot off an atom bomb or two, seems like the action of a lunatic. For one thing while our ground forces are tied up, our naval and sea forces aren't. For another thing, the Japanese Samari were sound asleep, and he woke them up. OTOH, as long as the Chinese are willing to tolerate his nonsense, I doubt that anything will be done. BTW, Kim's behavior is well documented. Have you ever heard about his having people kidnapped and forcing them to acquiesce to his whims? This includes young women, and a film producer. . --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
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On Monday 16 October 2006 16:25, OrionWorks wrote: > Jed sez: > > Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > > >It would appear that North Korea has demonstrated to the world > > > > that it can detonate a nuclear bomb. > > > > I still doubt it. > > > > Anyway, Kim will not live forever, and nations like North Korea > > seldom last for long, so I do not think it matters much. The lesson > > of the cold war is that it is often best to do nothing provocative, > > stand your ground, and wait for things to improve. People tend to > > exaggerate the gravity of these "crises," as they are called before > > everyone forgets they happened. The U.S. did not go to war over the > > Quemoy and Matsu "crisis" in 1954, and yet we survived. The U.S. did > > go to war over the Tonkin Gulf attack and the Iraqi WMD crisis, but > > both events turned out to be fabricated, and responding to them on > > this scale was a mistake, to put it mildly. > > > > - Jed > > While no one lives forever they tend to possess the irritating > characteristic of living long enough to create consequences that the > "survived by" will have to deal with. > > Jed, I pretty much agree in principal with your assessment of the > situation. I would also add that the last thing Kim wants is to be ignored. > The more we engage with Kim's regime (in the 1st person) the more > legitimate he is likely to feel his regime is being perceived by the rest > of the world. > > OTOH, if Kim manages to successfully sell nuclear material to rogue > organizations we will have a lot to "deal" with. It's my understanding that > the science of being able to identify where nuclear material had been > manufactured is a precise process. There would be no doubt as to who was > responsible for the source. It is pretty much understood by all parties > involved that if any clearly identifiable N. Korean nuclear material were > to be used in some nefarious way by a 3rd party it would spell the end of > Kim's regime - big time. > > People scratch their heads wondering why Kim might even consider selling > nuclear material to rogue organizations if it is clearly understood that > the source would quickly be traced back to his country - with disaterous > consequences to his regime's health. But then, who really knows what Kim is > thinking. FWIW: The most interesting speculation I've heard (and it IS pure > speculation I might add since I have no hard evidence to back it up) is > that Kim's political decisions indicate there may be a streak of martyrdom > in his psychological makeup. If so, all the more reason to tread carefully. > A cornered, wild, starving animal is not likely to feel that it has many > viable options left. > > Regards, > Steven Vincent Johnson > www.Orionworks.com > www.Zazzle.com/orionworks Cornered animals do fight, and crazed animals fight with a wild desparation that knows no bounds. Kooky Kim has a long history of secret collaborations with the rich and infamous in the PRC as well, and could take some of them down with him if he saw himself falling. Some of those who promised him troops and supplies in the past are perhaps seeing the unfeathering of their nests and might seek changes in China's leadership. Inasmuch as these may BE China's leadership would explain the extra caution and reluctance to act that could be explained by duplicity. Sun Tsu stated that all things had a rational source, so some explanation must exist to make seemingly irrational acts rational in the end. In the early nineties of the last century, there were secret arrangements made by representatives of the DPRK leadership and senior leadership in the Chinese Army PRC concerning 'triggers' for re-supply and coordinated responses. Whole PRC Army Groups were mobilized to readiness condition in Schenzhen Province in the mid nineties, and ominous unidentified massive increases in the male population totalling over six million people in the DPRK occured in the early nineties lending one to suppose the whole 'crisis' was manufactured with the west being intended victim of an enormous ambush. Mr Clinton perhaps saw this trap for what it was and found a diplomatic solution. Perhaps also at that time China PRC was not yet ready for a fight. At present Kim may not percieve time on his side. His country is six hundred thousand tons short of vitally needed foodstuffs at a time when contributions have dried up. He even told the United Nations to stop shipping food, saying it was not needed; this a seeminly irrational act. Why would he say this in the face of imminent starvation of millions in his country this winter. The only reason he would not need it would be if a large part of his population ceased to need to consume. And the little boy who never tasted power until his father died has now 'found his father's gun'! Say he does sell some of his klutzy hardware to some militants who then decide to target some population center. This center does not, as
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Jed sez: > Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > > >It would appear that North Korea has demonstrated to the world > that it can detonate a nuclear bomb. > > I still doubt it. > > Anyway, Kim will not live forever, and nations like North Korea > seldom last for long, so I do not think it matters much. The lesson > of the cold war is that it is often best to do nothing provocative, > stand your ground, and wait for things to improve. People tend to > exaggerate the gravity of these "crises," as they are called before > everyone forgets they happened. The U.S. did not go to war over the > Quemoy and Matsu "crisis" in 1954, and yet we survived. The U.S. did > go to war over the Tonkin Gulf attack and the Iraqi WMD crisis, but > both events turned out to be fabricated, and responding to them on > this scale was a mistake, to put it mildly. > > - Jed While no one lives forever they tend to possess the irritating characteristic of living long enough to create consequences that the "survived by" will have to deal with. Jed, I pretty much agree in principal with your assessment of the situation. I would also add that the last thing Kim wants is to be ignored. The more we engage with Kim's regime (in the 1st person) the more legitimate he is likely to feel his regime is being perceived by the rest of the world. OTOH, if Kim manages to successfully sell nuclear material to rogue organizations we will have a lot to "deal" with. It's my understanding that the science of being able to identify where nuclear material had been manufactured is a precise process. There would be no doubt as to who was responsible for the source. It is pretty much understood by all parties involved that if any clearly identifiable N. Korean nuclear material were to be used in some nefarious way by a 3rd party it would spell the end of Kim's regime - big time. People scratch their heads wondering why Kim might even consider selling nuclear material to rogue organizations if it is clearly understood that the source would quickly be traced back to his country - with disaterous consequences to his regime's health. But then, who really knows what Kim is thinking. FWIW: The most interesting speculation I've heard (and it IS pure speculation I might add since I have no hard evidence to back it up) is that Kim's political decisions indicate there may be a streak of martyrdom in his psychological makeup. If so, all the more reason to tread carefully. A cornered, wild, starving animal is not likely to feel that it has many viable options left. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.Orionworks.com www.Zazzle.com/orionworks
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Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: It would appear that North Korea has demonstrated to the world that it can detonate a nuclear bomb. I still doubt it. Anyway, Kim will not live forever, and nations like North Korea seldom last for long, so I do not think it matters much. The lesson of the cold war is that it is often best to do nothing provocative, stand your ground, and wait for things to improve. People tend to exaggerate the gravity of these "crises," as they are called before everyone forgets they happened. The U.S. did not go to war over the Quemoy and Matsu "crisis" in 1954, and yet we survived. The U.S. did go to war over the Tonkin Gulf attack and the Iraqi WMD crisis, but both events turned out to be fabricated, and responding to them on this scale was a mistake, to put it mildly. - Jed
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thomas sez: > > I just heard Fox news say that the NK did detonate an atom bomb. Last > night Hal Lindsey mentioned the 550 ton yield. Since the critical mass > remains constant, I assume that they did a poor job of building it. > > Kim Jung El has quite the collection of pornography, not just the > standard, two people going at it variety either, he likes the kinky > stuff, S and M, B and D. Reminds me of the time I mentioned my manic > friend to a my psychological counselor friend. I described him as being > so busy coming up with big ideas that he didn't have time to do anything > else. She inquired, "does he use pornography?" I replied that, "yes he > does." She replied, "it rots their brain." IMHO, Kim's exploding that > bomb exhibits his rotten brain. Prager just mentioned that the > international community is going to cut off his supply of Scotch > Whiskey, that will make him cry in his beer. We can speculate till we're all glowing blue with radiation regarding Kim Jong's alleged predilections. Perhaps he does like his Scotch and wine. Perhaps he likes his pornography collection as well. Perhaps he even sings the lumberjack song and likes to wear high-heels and a bra in the privacy of his bedroom. So what? Much of this kind of speculation degenerates into dis-informational fodder. It serves little to get at the real individual other than to give many of us (and particularly those who are aligned to a strict ideology) justification for hating what Kim represents because he's behaving like a hypocrite to his people, or that he behaves "that way" because he's a pervert or a tyrant, or because his personal predilections are causing his brain to rot away. It comforting to know who is wearing the black hat. It would appear that North Korea has demonstrated to the world that it can detonate a nuclear bomb. Deal with it. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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rots the brain.. yeah, some say the same about comic books. and http://www.fas.org/faspir/2001/v54n1/weapons.htm On 10/16/06, thomas malloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just heard Fox news say that the NK did detonate an atom bomb. Last night Hal Lindsey mentioned the 550 ton yield. Since the critical mass remains constant, I assume that they did a poor job of building it. Kim Jung El has quite the collection of pornography, not just the standard, two people going at it variety either, he likes the kinky stuff, S and M, B and D. Reminds me of the time I mentioned my manic friend to a my psychological counselor friend. I described him as being so busy coming up with big ideas that he didn't have time to do anything else. She inquired, "does he use pornography?" I replied that, "yes he does." She replied, "it rots their brain." IMHO, Kim's exploding that bomb exhibits his rotten brain. Prager just mentioned that the international community is going to cut off his supply of Scotch Whiskey, that will make him cry in his beer. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- -- That which yields isn't always weak.
[Vo]: Kim's nuke
I just heard Fox news say that the NK did detonate an atom bomb. Last night Hal Lindsey mentioned the 550 ton yield. Since the critical mass remains constant, I assume that they did a poor job of building it. Kim Jung El has quite the collection of pornography, not just the standard, two people going at it variety either, he likes the kinky stuff, S and M, B and D. Reminds me of the time I mentioned my manic friend to a my psychological counselor friend. I described him as being so busy coming up with big ideas that he didn't have time to do anything else. She inquired, "does he use pornography?" I replied that, "yes he does." She replied, "it rots their brain." IMHO, Kim's exploding that bomb exhibits his rotten brain. Prager just mentioned that the international community is going to cut off his supply of Scotch Whiskey, that will make him cry in his beer. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
