Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-25 Thread James Bowery
Thanks for the response.  While I can use the becquerel and get the
intended result, this is counter to the BIPM's
definition<http://www.bipm.org/en/si/si_brochure/chapter2/2-2/table3.html>
:

"The hertz is used only for periodic phenomena, and the becquerel is used
only for stochastic processes in activity referred to a radionuclide."


Indeed, this comment from the BIPM, itself, is incorrect as it should be:

"The hertz is used only for cyclic phenomena, and the becquerel is used
only for stochastic processes in activity referred to a radionuclide."


There is no unit for strictly periodic phenomena which might be described
as "regularly occurring events/sec".

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:19 AM, James Bowery  wrote:

> Well, according to the Calchemy/Unicalc guys, its not a bug, its a feature:
>
> The handling of 2pi depends on the version of Calchemy – it has changed
> over the years.
>
> In the current code, a hert or cyde is defined as “2pi radians” (and
> radians are dimensionless), which is actually the more “correct” of the
> interpretations.
>
> So technically, the answer you have is actually right – you might just
> misunderstand the question.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 12:31 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> BTW:  To put this bug in perspective, I've been using the calchemy
>> "Unicalc" very frequently ever since 1996 without any errors cropping up
>> until this, and this one appears to be related not to units but to a
>> peculiar case in dimensional analysis.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:05 PM, James Bowery wrote:
>>
>>> My units calculator inserted an erroneous 2pi constant into the
>>> conversion.
>>>
>>> That's the first time its betrayed me.   I'll report it to the authors.
>>> Here's a link to the web version:
>>>
>>> http://www.testardi.com/rich/calchemy2/
>>>
>>> So, yes, 13mm looks like the figure.  Are there electrodes with any
>>> dimensions in the range of  1.3cm?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Arnaud Kodeck 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  James,
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> I’ve a problem with my HP calculator emulator which gives me 13.093 mm*
>>>> ***
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> d= v * t = v / f ( with v=1/f)
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> 5630/430E3 = 13.093E-3 m => 13.093 mm
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Arnaud
>>>>   --
>>>>
>>>> *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com]
>>>> *Sent:* jeudi 22 novembre 2012 22:21
>>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that
>>>> given the speed of sound in 
>>>> nickel<http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/ndt-tutorials/thickness-gage/appendices-velocities/>
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 5630m/s
>>>>
>>>> and 430kHz:
>>>>
>>>> 5630m/s;430kHz?mm
>>>>
>>>> ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
>>>> = 2.0838194 mm
>>>>
>>>> In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.***
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
>>>> possibility [electrode acoustics]. 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of
>>>> a bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
>>>> program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
>>>> software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
>>>> natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
>>>> around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
>>>> harmonics are barely above noise.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Th

Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-25 Thread James Bowery
Well, according to the Calchemy/Unicalc guys, its not a bug, its a feature:

The handling of 2pi depends on the version of Calchemy – it has changed
over the years.

In the current code, a hert or cyde is defined as “2pi radians” (and
radians are dimensionless), which is actually the more “correct” of the
interpretations.

So technically, the answer you have is actually right – you might just
misunderstand the question.



On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 12:31 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> BTW:  To put this bug in perspective, I've been using the calchemy
> "Unicalc" very frequently ever since 1996 without any errors cropping up
> until this, and this one appears to be related not to units but to a
> peculiar case in dimensional analysis.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:05 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> My units calculator inserted an erroneous 2pi constant into the
>> conversion.
>>
>> That's the first time its betrayed me.   I'll report it to the authors.
>> Here's a link to the web version:
>>
>> http://www.testardi.com/rich/calchemy2/
>>
>> So, yes, 13mm looks like the figure.  Are there electrodes with any
>> dimensions in the range of  1.3cm?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Arnaud Kodeck 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  James,
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I’ve a problem with my HP calculator emulator which gives me 13.093 mm**
>>> **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> d= v * t = v / f ( with v=1/f)
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> 5630/430E3 = 13.093E-3 m => 13.093 mm****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Arnaud
>>>   --
>>>
>>> *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* jeudi 22 novembre 2012 22:21
>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that
>>> given the speed of sound in 
>>> nickel<http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/ndt-tutorials/thickness-gage/appendices-velocities/>
>>> :
>>>
>>>
>>> 5630m/s
>>>
>>> and 430kHz:
>>>
>>> 5630m/s;430kHz?mm
>>>
>>> ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
>>> = 2.0838194 mm
>>>
>>> In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
>>> possibility [electrode acoustics]. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
>>> bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
>>> program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
>>> software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
>>> natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
>>> around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
>>> harmonics are barely above noise.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
>>> magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
>>> acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
>>> otherwise worth pursuing.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Jones
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* James Bowery 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> As I previously 
>>> advised<http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg73144.html>
>>> :
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> "Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
>>> vortex-l, let me expand:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable
>>> chance of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active
>>> environment" hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on
>>> list the possibilities here.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
>>> signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
>>> reported as exhibiting the phenomena.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Need I say more?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>
>>
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-23 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Yes, that figure is directly from the patent. I think we're on the same
page.

Figure 9 shows two "cells": the "real" cell on the left and the "control"
(joule heat) cell on the right. Four wires are shown leaving the real cell.
The leftmost is a temperature sensor that runs to a data logger. The middle
two run vertically from the cathode to the control board. These are "J1-1"
and "J1-2" ("Connection point for Core") shown at lower right in figure 3C
of the patent. In other words, these are the Q pulses taken from the
secondary of the transformer.

In the patent, "Cathode" and "Core" are synonymous, although this is not
immediately evident. And yes, the "loading pulse" is the current from anode
to cathode in the electrolytic cell. It's the ordinary current flow of an
electrolytic cell; he calls it "loading" current because the flow of this
current evolves H2 at the cathode, causing the nickel (or whatever metal)
to "load" with H2, forming nickel hydride. Here the only difference from
any other electrolytic cell is that Godes can turn this current flow on and
off under software control from the microcontroller, hence loading
"pulses". This anode current flow is the fourth (rightmost) wire entering
the real cell in the figure. It runs back to the center tap of the
secondary of T8, and is weirdly labeled "F04" in Figure 3C.

In the patent text, Godes kind of disclaims the importance of control over
the loading (electrolytic) current, saying he could only get excess heat
when it had an 80% duty cycle or higher. I think he is implying that if the
electrolytic (loading) current was just on all the time, it might be fine.

So at the bottom of all this, you just have an electrolytic cell with
high-current, high-voltage Q pulses sweeping back and forth across the
extent of the cathode, first one polarity, then the other. And that brings
us to your question about "really" AC and "truly negative".

When an electrician wires your house, it's important for safety reasons
that there be a "ground" which is referenced to the earth, the "real
ground" ("earth ground"). This leads people to think about "ground" as some
kind of absolute thing. But in designed circuits like this, "ground" is a
more complex idea. Every circuit is of course a loop, and a complex design
like this one may be broken up in to more than one loop with the loops
isolated by transformers, optical isolators or the like. In this case the
"ground" of one loop may have nothing in common with the "ground" of
another loop.

Here's an example: suppose you have a battery-powered electrolytic cell
running on a table top. No point in the entire loop has anything in common
with your house wiring. As a result, the idea of a voltage "between" any
part of the battery-powered electrolytic circuit and any part of your house
wiring has no meaning. Similarly, no point on the left (primary) side of T8
- the driver circuitry - need have anything in common with any point on the
right (secondary) side of T8, the electrolytic cell.

This is even harder to see in Godes' circuit, because (as I make it out),
the "ground" for the cathode is referenced through the liquid electrolyte,
the anode, a "current source", and back to the center tap of the secondary
of T8. Using this definition, the Q pulses are "truly AC", because the
polarity of the pulses will swing both positive and negative relative to
the anode which is the same [* note below] as the center tap of the
transformer. If you connect the black probe of an oscilloscope to the
center tap and put the red probe on the core (cathode) with the circuit
running, you'll see positive going pulses with positive voltage and
negative-going pulses with negative voltage. This is what the core "sees".
It's truly AC because the polarity reverses.

[* note: if you look at figure 3C, it's even more complex because there is
a small shunt resistor, "R3", between the center tap and the anode. This
allows measuring the electrolytic current flow. There will be a small
voltage drop across R3, so the voltage at the anode will never be quite the
same as the center tap. There also has to be something to actually provide
the current to the anode; this is shown as a circle with a downward
pointing arrow labeled "Current Source" in figure 3A.  None of this affects
any of the reasoning above: the Q pulses are still symmetrical, positive
and negative, around a reference that is roughly defined by the liquid
electrolyte the cathode is immersed in.]

The patent doesn't appear to go into circuit detail about the "current
source" for the anode, so there's a certain amount of hand waving in the
above.

Jeff

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> Look at figure 9 on this page:  http://www.rexresearch.com/godes/godes.htm
>
> Two cathodes are shown.  It almost looks like the "2" cathodes are
> connected together at the bottom.  Is he running the Q in a loop through
> this, and the loading pulse through the anode do you think?
>
> Here i

RE: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-23 Thread Jones Beene
Anyone looking for an efficient low power electrical circuit for a number of
alternative energy uses - possibly electrolysis, but that is less certain -
should check out the latest "joule ringer" low power self-oscillating
circuits. In these circuits, potential and natural oscillation are in a
high-gain positive feedback loop to the extent that noise buildup seems to
create a bit of its own current.

Here is a simple circuit that is fascinating in its implications:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td8v2oc4JFw&list=UUIKzUKkh7XtnSYPW0AJb-9w&ind
ex=2&feature=plcp
http://www.laserhacker.com/JouleRingerCrossOver.html

... since it has minimized internal circuit losses and gets natural
oscillation via only two transistors - not quite a Darlington but more like
what we used to do 50 years ago with a one tube feedback circuit. A charged
cap and no battery can keep an LED light bulb going for a surprisingly long
time - as you see in the video. 

Back in the old days, kids doing Morse code transmission on a low budget
with the weak batteries available at the time, could build a simple high
gain regen feedback loop (aka: "autodyne") with one vacuum tube, since high
noise was not the major problem (for that use). This kind of circuit went
out of favor when transistors came along, but Wiki still remembers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_circuit

Positive feedback tends to run to instability as a natural feature, since
there will typically be exponential growth of gain towards a failure point
... so obviously it has extreme limitations with communications
applications. 

But less so with energy. In fact this could be a most interesting
combination ... since "noise" can be your friend ... when all you care about
is gain.

Jones
<>

Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-23 Thread Jack Cole
I've made a very interesting simulation circuit in LTSpice.  I started with
another template made by someone else outputting a simple DC pulse (using a
555 IC).  In the simulation, I get high frequency AC (one sweep from
positive to negative and back to zero then dead space).

Here is a single pulse from the sim:
http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/qpulse.png

Here is a more expanded view:
http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/qpulse2.png

Here is the LTSpice sim:
http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/555qpulse.asc

Anyway, don't know if this would work in reality, but looks interesting in
the simulation.


On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> Look at figure 9 on this page:  http://www.rexresearch.com/godes/godes.htm
>
> Two cathodes are shown.  It almost looks like the "2" cathodes are
> connected together at the bottom.  Is he running the Q in a loop through
> this, and the loading pulse through the anode do you think?
>
> Here is some support for the idea.  In this paper (
> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Godes-Controlled-Electron-Capture-Paper.pdf
>   -- bottom of column 1 page 1), he says, "High voltage, bipolar, narrow
> pulses were sent through the cathode and separately  pulse-width
> modulated (PWM) electrolysis through the cell (between the anode and
> cathode)."
>
> So, looks to me like he loops Q through the cathode and the DC loading
> pulse comes through the anode through the cell to the cathode.
>
> Also, are you suggesting that his alternating current is alternating DC
> current (never goes to truly negative voltage)?
>
> Thank you for the caution.  I will research and be careful with this.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:
>
>> If you are referring to his Figure 3A - I don't *think* he's using two
>> cathodes. I think the image of two dots with two lines between them is
>> intended to convey that the cathode has physical extent - he describes it
>> somewhere as a "grid of nickel wires" (?) - and the Q pulses swing positive
>> and negative across the cathode when referenced to the center tap of the
>> secondary. This also suggested by figure 3B where the core (again, labeled
>> "15") is just a horizontal line between vertical lines running to the ends
>> of the secondary of T8. Of course I could have missed what you're seeing.
>> Or we could be looking at the same thing and I could be completely missing
>> it.  ;-)
>>
>> With respect to finding the part - the exact part is probably not
>> critical. The circuit design on our blog page doesn't use the same
>> half-bridge driver chip or the same MOSFETs as Godes either, it just
>> produces similar behaviors (I hope). The key points are that it's a radio
>> frequency isolation transformer with a certain turns ratio between primary
>> and secondary. (The fact that it's a radio frequency part supports the
>> whole argument about the Q pulses - it has to pass those higher harmonics
>> as described in the blog page, or the pulses will come out rounded in the
>> secondary, the skin effect won't come into the play to the same effect
>> there, etc.)
>>
>> I found this link:
>> http://www.lintechcomponents.com/product/010478953/F62612H/72656
>>
>> which might be a starting point for finding or making something similar.
>>
>> Really do be careful. We wouldn't want to lose you. It looks like a 3:1
>> voltage step-up in the secondary. This circuit can burn a path through your
>> internal organs faster than your muscle fibers can possibly contract to
>> take your hands away. Read up on high voltage technique and think about
>> every action. Always wear eye protection. I once saw a miswired high
>> powered sonar driver blow some of the driver components into little shards
>> some of which became embedded in the wallboard behind the lab bench. This
>> isn't like working on digital electronics.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for explaining this Jeff.  Did you see that he is using 2
>>> cathodes?  What is the difference between the two?
>>>
>>> Initially I was thinking about just trying to replicate his circuit, but
>>> the F626-12 seems to be pretty hard to track down.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
>>>
 F626-12
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-23 Thread Jack Cole
Jeff,

Look at figure 9 on this page:  http://www.rexresearch.com/godes/godes.htm

Two cathodes are shown.  It almost looks like the "2" cathodes are
connected together at the bottom.  Is he running the Q in a loop through
this, and the loading pulse through the anode do you think?

Here is some support for the idea.  In this paper (
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Godes-Controlled-Electron-Capture-Paper.pdf
 -- bottom of column 1 page 1), he says, "High voltage, bipolar,
narrow
pulses were sent through the cathode and separately  pulse-width
modulated (PWM) electrolysis through the cell (between the anode and
cathode)."

So, looks to me like he loops Q through the cathode and the DC loading
pulse comes through the anode through the cell to the cathode.

Also, are you suggesting that his alternating current is alternating DC
current (never goes to truly negative voltage)?

Thank you for the caution.  I will research and be careful with this.


On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:

> If you are referring to his Figure 3A - I don't *think* he's using two
> cathodes. I think the image of two dots with two lines between them is
> intended to convey that the cathode has physical extent - he describes it
> somewhere as a "grid of nickel wires" (?) - and the Q pulses swing positive
> and negative across the cathode when referenced to the center tap of the
> secondary. This also suggested by figure 3B where the core (again, labeled
> "15") is just a horizontal line between vertical lines running to the ends
> of the secondary of T8. Of course I could have missed what you're seeing.
> Or we could be looking at the same thing and I could be completely missing
> it.  ;-)
>
> With respect to finding the part - the exact part is probably not
> critical. The circuit design on our blog page doesn't use the same
> half-bridge driver chip or the same MOSFETs as Godes either, it just
> produces similar behaviors (I hope). The key points are that it's a radio
> frequency isolation transformer with a certain turns ratio between primary
> and secondary. (The fact that it's a radio frequency part supports the
> whole argument about the Q pulses - it has to pass those higher harmonics
> as described in the blog page, or the pulses will come out rounded in the
> secondary, the skin effect won't come into the play to the same effect
> there, etc.)
>
> I found this link:
> http://www.lintechcomponents.com/product/010478953/F62612H/72656
>
> which might be a starting point for finding or making something similar.
>
> Really do be careful. We wouldn't want to lose you. It looks like a 3:1
> voltage step-up in the secondary. This circuit can burn a path through your
> internal organs faster than your muscle fibers can possibly contract to
> take your hands away. Read up on high voltage technique and think about
> every action. Always wear eye protection. I once saw a miswired high
> powered sonar driver blow some of the driver components into little shards
> some of which became embedded in the wallboard behind the lab bench. This
> isn't like working on digital electronics.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for explaining this Jeff.  Did you see that he is using 2
>> cathodes?  What is the difference between the two?
>>
>> Initially I was thinking about just trying to replicate his circuit, but
>> the F626-12 seems to be pretty hard to track down.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:
>>
>>> F626-12
>>
>>
>>
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-23 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
If you are referring to his Figure 3A - I don't *think* he's using two
cathodes. I think the image of two dots with two lines between them is
intended to convey that the cathode has physical extent - he describes it
somewhere as a "grid of nickel wires" (?) - and the Q pulses swing positive
and negative across the cathode when referenced to the center tap of the
secondary. This also suggested by figure 3B where the core (again, labeled
"15") is just a horizontal line between vertical lines running to the ends
of the secondary of T8. Of course I could have missed what you're seeing.
Or we could be looking at the same thing and I could be completely missing
it.  ;-)

With respect to finding the part - the exact part is probably not critical.
The circuit design on our blog page doesn't use the same half-bridge driver
chip or the same MOSFETs as Godes either, it just produces similar
behaviors (I hope). The key points are that it's a radio frequency
isolation transformer with a certain turns ratio between primary and
secondary. (The fact that it's a radio frequency part supports the whole
argument about the Q pulses - it has to pass those higher harmonics as
described in the blog page, or the pulses will come out rounded in the
secondary, the skin effect won't come into the play to the same effect
there, etc.)

I found this link:
http://www.lintechcomponents.com/product/010478953/F62612H/72656

which might be a starting point for finding or making something similar.

Really do be careful. We wouldn't want to lose you. It looks like a 3:1
voltage step-up in the secondary. This circuit can burn a path through your
internal organs faster than your muscle fibers can possibly contract to
take your hands away. Read up on high voltage technique and think about
every action. Always wear eye protection. I once saw a miswired high
powered sonar driver blow some of the driver components into little shards
some of which became embedded in the wallboard behind the lab bench. This
isn't like working on digital electronics.

Jeff



On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Thanks for explaining this Jeff.  Did you see that he is using 2 cathodes?
>  What is the difference between the two?
>
> Initially I was thinking about just trying to replicate his circuit, but
> the F626-12 seems to be pretty hard to track down.
>
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:
>
>> F626-12
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-23 Thread Jack Cole
Thanks for explaining this Jeff.  Did you see that he is using 2 cathodes?
 What is the difference between the two?

Initially I was thinking about just trying to replicate his circuit, but
the F626-12 seems to be pretty hard to track down.

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:

> F626-12


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-23 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I can't resist jumping back in at this point. These full bridge devices are
mostly used as motor controllers. In such applications you just need to
turn it on and have it supply an appropriate AC signal while the motor is
running and then turn it off. There's never any need for fine control or
signal modulation. Also, the full bridge design, on its own, doesn't lead
directly to any solution for the problem of superimposing the Q pulses on
the loading current.

Of course you're free to go your own way, but I think the motor controller
approach may be more difficult than just trying to adopt Godes' design
directly. If you look at the first figure
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7NVukY_dlR0/UISB4e_LSAI/AW4/Rl9BROYHIHQ/s1600/Q-Pulses-1.PNGfrom
here
http://pdxlenr.blogspot.com/2012/10/thoughts-about-godes-brillouin-patent.htmlyou'll
see two traces, the green one at top and the blue one at the bottom.
The green spikes are the Q-pulses and the blue pulse train is the input
from the microcontroller.

The input pulse train from the microcontroller has a 50% duty cycle, but
the Q pulses are narrow. In other words, the Q pulse width is not a
function of the width of the input pulses. Instead, each positive-going
edge on the input causes a narrow positive-going Q pulse, and each
negative-going edge on the input signal causes a narrow negative-going Q
pulse. The characteristics of each Q pulse are set by the choice of
inductor and capacitor (labeled L1 and C2 in my circuit) and the load (R1
in my circuit), and not directly by any control signal.

Note that my C2 is equivalent to Godes' C5 in figure 3C of the patent
application. I apologize for not paying more attention to these labeling
issues. Also note that my circuit includes an "ideal" voltage source V1 at
upper left. A real circuit needs a discharge capacitor to simulate an ideal
voltage source. This is shown at extreme upper left in Godes' figure 3C.
Confusingly, the discharge capacitor is labeled "C2" in Godes' designations.

Now, the distinctions between my partial circuit and Godes' complete one.
First, in Godes' circuit you see a transformer, T8 (part number "F626-12")
in place of my inductor L1. That transformer is playing two roles. These
are (a) its primary winding acts as an inductor, playing the role of my L1.
And (b), the Q pulses couple across to the secondary winding; but in the
secondary, which shares no ground reference with the primary, Godes is free
to establish any ground reference (or DC loading current +V) he likes.

As you can see from figures 3C and also 3B and 3A, Godes uses the center
tap of the transformer as "ground" (or +V) for the loading current. Now,
since the transfomer-coupled Q pulses are swinging "end to end" across the
secondary winding and the center tap of the secondary is the reference
point, the Q pulses are swinging positive and negative relative to the
reference point of the loading current. In other words they are AC.

The reason I used the term "ground (or +V)" and "reference point" above is
that it doesn't matter for the superimposed Q-pulses. It does matter for
the loading current; you have to pick the loading current polarity so that
the center tap of the transformer leads to the electrochemical anode. The
ensures that the core will be the cathode, so it will evolve the H2 to
load. You can more clearly see in figure 3A, where the core is labeled
"15". Figure 3A also shows how the two ends of the secondary of T8 (which
is not labeled, but there's only one transformer in figure 3A) are across
the core; thus, as the Q pulses swing positive and negative, the polarity
reverses across the core, which is the true meaning of "AC" in this case.

In summary, you could probably generate interesting pulse trains with a
variety of techniques. But I think the clever use of T8 is essential. I'm
not going to try and explain why I think this, it's partly gut feel. I just
wouldn't imagine trying to solve this problem in other ways when the Godes'
circuit shows a way of doing it that I believe will work.

Also, to summarize the parameters that Godes can vary from the
microcontroller, they are: (1) the amplitude of the Q pulses, labeled "55a"
in figures 3A, 3B, and 3C; (2) presumably the width of the input pulses,
which control the spacing between positive- and negative-going Q pulses;
(3) the timing of the input pulses, which controls the timing of Q-pulse
pairs. But not the "shape" of the pulses, which is determined by the
inductance of the primary of T8, the value of C5, the load on the secondary
of T8 (i.e. the impedance of the wet cell) and the coupling characteristics
of T8.

It is this last bit that explains why I think I would need decent test
equipment to get this circuit working - the AC characteristics are going to
be weird and will need to be discovered bit by bit. For example changes in
the AC impedance of the wet cell caused by ongoing electrolysis could cause
the whole secondary circuit to begin oscillating under the driv

Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-23 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
No worries. Stuff happens. I probably shouldn't have sent the follow-up,
made it seem like a bigger deal than it should be.
Jeff



On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM, James Bowery  wrote:

> BTW:  To put this bug in perspective, I've been using the calchemy
> "Unicalc" very frequently ever since 1996 without any errors cropping up
> until this, and this one appears to be related not to units but to a
> peculiar case in dimensional analysis.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:05 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> My units calculator inserted an erroneous 2pi constant into the
>> conversion.
>>
>> That's the first time its betrayed me.   I'll report it to the authors.
>> Here's a link to the web version:
>>
>> http://www.testardi.com/rich/calchemy2/
>>
>> So, yes, 13mm looks like the figure.  Are there electrodes with any
>> dimensions in the range of  1.3cm?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Arnaud Kodeck 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  James,
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I’ve a problem with my HP calculator emulator which gives me 13.093 mm**
>>> **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> d= v * t = v / f ( with v=1/f)
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> 5630/430E3 = 13.093E-3 m => 13.093 mm
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Arnaud
>>>   --
>>>
>>> *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* jeudi 22 novembre 2012 22:21
>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that
>>> given the speed of sound in 
>>> nickel<http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/ndt-tutorials/thickness-gage/appendices-velocities/>
>>> :
>>>
>>>
>>> 5630m/s
>>>
>>> and 430kHz:
>>>
>>> 5630m/s;430kHz?mm
>>>
>>> ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
>>> = 2.0838194 mm
>>>
>>> In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
>>> possibility [electrode acoustics]. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
>>> bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
>>> program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
>>> software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
>>> natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
>>> around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
>>> harmonics are barely above noise.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
>>> magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
>>> acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
>>> otherwise worth pursuing.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Jones
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* James Bowery 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> As I previously 
>>> advised<http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg73144.html>
>>> :
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> "Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
>>> vortex-l, let me expand:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable
>>> chance of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active
>>> environment" hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on
>>> list the possibilities here.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
>>> signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
>>> reported as exhibiting the phenomena.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Need I say more?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>
>>
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-23 Thread James Bowery
BTW:  To put this bug in perspective, I've been using the calchemy
"Unicalc" very frequently ever since 1996 without any errors cropping up
until this, and this one appears to be related not to units but to a
peculiar case in dimensional analysis.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:05 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> My units calculator inserted an erroneous 2pi constant into the conversion.
>
> That's the first time its betrayed me.   I'll report it to the authors.
> Here's a link to the web version:
>
> http://www.testardi.com/rich/calchemy2/
>
> So, yes, 13mm looks like the figure.  Are there electrodes with any
> dimensions in the range of  1.3cm?
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Arnaud Kodeck wrote:
>
>>  James,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I’ve a problem with my HP calculator emulator which gives me 13.093 mm***
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> d= v * t = v / f ( with v=1/f)
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 5630/430E3 = 13.093E-3 m => 13.093 mm
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Arnaud
>>   ----------
>>
>> *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* jeudi 22 novembre 2012 22:21
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that given the
>> speed of sound in 
>> nickel<http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/ndt-tutorials/thickness-gage/appendices-velocities/>
>> :
>>
>>
>> 5630m/s
>>
>> and 430kHz:
>>
>> 5630m/s;430kHz?mm
>>
>> ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
>> = 2.0838194 mm
>>
>> In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>> 
>>
>> On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
>> possibility [electrode acoustics]. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
>> bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
>> program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
>> software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
>> natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.
>>
>>  
>>
>> The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
>> around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
>> harmonics are barely above noise.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
>> magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
>> acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
>> otherwise worth pursuing.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Jones
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* James Bowery 
>>
>>  
>>
>> As I previously 
>> advised<http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg73144.html>
>> :
>>
>>  
>>
>> "Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."
>>
>>  
>>
>> Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
>> vortex-l, let me expand:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable
>> chance of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active
>> environment" hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on
>> list the possibilities here.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
>> signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
>> reported as exhibiting the phenomena.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Need I say more?
>>
>>  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-23 Thread Jack Cole
Arnaud,

Looks like 240V max and 4A max was used by Godes in phase 1.  The RMS
current is 12 mA.

More recently, looks like his circuit has capacity up to 35A (doesn't
specify the voltage) and a minimum pulse width of 250 ns.

I'd be happy just replicating the phase I for now.

Looks like those transistors could get in the range of ~313 ns pulse width
from looking at the data sheet @ 300V and 9.5A.

If I understand you correctly, are you saying you could use a second PWM
signal to turn all the gates off to get the dead time?

Thanks,
Jack

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Arnaud Kodeck wrote:

> e of the power part of the circuit?
>
> ** **
>
> Arnaud
>   --
>
> *From:* Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com]
>
> 
>
> Arnaud (or anyone who can answer),
>
> ** **
>
> So if I understand correctly, you could use a PWM pulse with an H bridge
> to get AC from a PWM signal?  I think I looked into this before, and the
> problem would be that you wouldn't have the "dead space" in the current.
>  Let's say you have a 100 ns + current and when this is switched off, the H
> bridge allows the - current for the remainder of the duty cycle.  This gets
> you closer, but is still not what is needed.  If I understand correctly,
> you need a bipolar pulse (then no current in between the pulses).
>
> ** **
>


RE: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-23 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
Jack,

 

Yes, you use a PWM signal and convert it in to an AC signal. For example
when PWM is 1, then it's + current, or if PWM is 0, then it's - current.

 

But if I understand, you need also a "Zero" current state as well. In this
case, the "Power part" of the schematic does not change. You keep as it is.
What does change is the control part. When "Zero" current state is needed,
you close all the 4 MOSFET gates. So there are a little changes to perform
on the control part.

 

If you want to use pulse of 100ns, MOSFET might not be the good answer. It
depends on the voltage and current needed. For 10A, 600V cheap MOSFET like
FQP10N60C, the turn ON or OFF time is too large to be used below 1MHz. What
is the max current and voltage of the power part of the circuit?

 

Arnaud

  _  

From: Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com] 



Arnaud (or anyone who can answer),

 

So if I understand correctly, you could use a PWM pulse with an H bridge to
get AC from a PWM signal?  I think I looked into this before, and the
problem would be that you wouldn't have the "dead space" in the current.
Let's say you have a 100 ns + current and when this is switched off, the H
bridge allows the - current for the remainder of the duty cycle.  This gets
you closer, but is still not what is needed.  If I understand correctly, you
need a bipolar pulse (then no current in between the pulses).

 



Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
It turns out that determining the speed of sound in metals is kind of a
mess.

There is formula, sqrt (Young's Modulus / density), that gives an
approximation of the answer.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/souspe2.html

For nickel, I find 200GPa and 8.94e3 kg*m^-3; the formula then gives 4740
m/s. But this is only 84% of a purported value I found in
http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/ndt-tutorials/thickness-gage/appendices-velocities,
which gives 5630 m/s.

It seems even harder to find good answers for copper, I think because it's
hard to find a single value of Young's Modulus. Wikipedia gives a range of
110GPa - 128GPa; http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/young-modulus-d_417.html is
the citation for the wikipedia page and gives 117 (grin).

With density = 8.96e3 kg*m^-3, 110GPa and 128GPa give 3500 and 3780 m/s
which are 75% and 81%, respectively, of the value 4660 m/s found in that
same link. But this other link
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/sound-speed-solids-d_713.html gives a
completely different value for speed of sound in copper, about 3900 m/s,
which agrees more closely with the estimate from the formula.

For 70/30 cupronickel alloy,
http://www.copper.org/applications/cuni/txt_properties.html shows a value
of 22 * 10^6 psi±5% ≈ 152GPa for Young's Modulus and 8.95 for the density.
This gives 4120 m/s by formula. The above examples all suggest this value
is low, but there's no way to know how low.

The second link above includes this text:

*The table below lists typical longitudinal wave ultrasonic velocities in a
variety of common materials that can be measured with ultrasonic thickness
gages. Note that this is only a general guide. The actual velocity in these
materials may vary significantly due to a variety of causes such as
specific composition or microstructure, grain or fiber orientation,
porosity, and temperature. This is especially true in the case of cast
metals, fiberglass, plastics, and composites. For best accuracy in
thickness gaging, the sound velocity in a given test material should always
be measured by performing a velocity calibration on a sample of known
thickness.*


The goal here is construct an electrode that will define a standing wave at
a certain frequency *f* that is near 430KHz but is not known precisely.
Given all of the above this is going to be tricky. We cannot just vary *f* to
fit the electrode size because it's not arbitrary. We cannot know the size
of the electrode to construct for a given *f* unless we have very accurate
knowledge of the speed of sound in the electrode material. In addition we
must accurately control the other conditions, e.g. temperature, because
they will affect the speed of sound in the material.

And all this fussing is just to find out whether the phenomenon is real or
not.

If this stuff was easy everybody would be doing it.

Jeff


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:

> However a U.S. nickel is 75/25 copper/nickel. It might be possible to
> figure out the speed of sound using information in this thread:
>
> http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=277330
>
> I'll look at it later.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:
>
>> Interesting. A U.S. nickel is 1.95mm thick.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>>
>>> It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that
>>> given the speed of sound in 
>>> nickel
>>> :
>>>
>>> 5630m/s
>>>
>>> and 430kHz:
>>>
>>> 5630m/s;430kHz?mm
>>>
>>> ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
>>> = 2.0838194 mm
>>>
>>> In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
>>>
  On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
 possibility [electrode acoustics]. 

 ** **

 My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of
 a bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
 program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
 software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
 natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.

 ** **

 The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
 around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
 harmonics are barely above noise.

 ** **

 Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
 magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
 acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
 otherwise worth pursuing.

 ** **

 Jones

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* James Bowery 

 ** **

 As I previously 
 advised<

Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread James Bowery
My units calculator inserted an erroneous 2pi constant into the conversion.

That's the first time its betrayed me.   I'll report it to the authors.
Here's a link to the web version:

http://www.testardi.com/rich/calchemy2/

So, yes, 13mm looks like the figure.  Are there electrodes with any
dimensions in the range of  1.3cm?

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Arnaud Kodeck wrote:

>  James,
>
> ** **
>
> I’ve a problem with my HP calculator emulator which gives me 13.093 mm
>
> ** **
>
> d= v * t = v / f ( with v=1/f)
>
> ** **
>
> 5630/430E3 = 13.093E-3 m => 13.093 mm
>
> ** **
>
> Arnaud
>   --
>
> *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* jeudi 22 novembre 2012 22:21
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels
>
> ** **
>
> It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that given the
> speed of sound in 
> nickel<http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/ndt-tutorials/thickness-gage/appendices-velocities/>
> :
>
>
> 5630m/s
>
> and 430kHz:
>
> 5630m/s;430kHz?mm
>
> ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
> = 2.0838194 mm
>
> In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:*
> ***
>
> On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
> possibility [electrode acoustics]. 
>
>  
>
> My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
> bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
> program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
> software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
> natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.
>
>  
>
> The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
> around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
> harmonics are barely above noise.
>
>  
>
> Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
> magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
> acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
> otherwise worth pursuing.
>
>  
>
> Jones
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* James Bowery 
>
>  
>
> As I previously 
> advised<http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg73144.html>
> :
>
>  
>
> "Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."
>
>  
>
> Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
> vortex-l, let me expand:
>
>  
>
> Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable
> chance of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active
> environment" hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on
> list the possibilities here.
>
>  
>
> Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
> signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
> reported as exhibiting the phenomena.
>
>  
>
> Need I say more?
>
>  
>
> ** **
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Jack Cole
Hi Frank,

No I haven't tried that.  It would be worth a try.  I'll see if I can get
some.

Jack


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:33 PM,  wrote:

> Have you tried boric acid, not Borax.
> The acid powder can can be found in the bug killer dept. of most hardware
> stores.
> I use it to treat lumber and keep out ants and termites.
>
>  Frank Znidarsic
>
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread fznidarsic
Have you tried boric acid, not Borax.  
The acid powder can can be found in the bug killer dept. of most hardware 
stores.
I use it to treat lumber and keep out ants and termites.


Frank Znidarsic






 


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Jack Cole
The closest I can get to figuring out how to do this would be the following:

3 power pulse modulators and a center tap transformer (see here:
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/tutorials/pwm-bipolar.htm).

The two PPMs and transformer that they describe gives you the HFAC.  The
third would give you the dead space (I think). See the description at the
bottom of the article.

Anyone see any problems with this, or is there a simpler way?  It is kind
of an expensive solution.


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> I see your point Jeff.
>
> I did use the oscilloscope to figure out the minimum pulse width
> attainable by the IOIO board I am using with my Android phone.  It will go
> down to 65 ns.
>
> Arnaud (or anyone who can answer),
>
> So if I understand correctly, you could use a PWM pulse with an H bridge
> to get AC from a PWM signal?  I think I looked into this before, and the
> problem would be that you wouldn't have the "dead space" in the current.
>  Let's say you have a 100 ns + current and when this is switched off, the H
> bridge allows the - current for the remainder of the duty cycle.  This gets
> you closer, but is still not what is needed.  If I understand correctly,
> you need a bipolar pulse (then no current in between the pulses).
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:
>
>> You don't need a high speed scope if the circuit is working *correctly*.
>> But if it's working correctly, you don't need to measure it at all.  ;-)
>> The reason for a high speed scope is to observe the behavior when it's not
>> working correctly. It's a high-power, high-speed AC circuit, so errors or
>> bad construction practices may produces really weird results that simply
>> won't be observable with a low-bandwidth instrument.
>>
>> I wouldn't read too much into the divisions on the scope. The probe and
>> scope electronics will act as a low-pass filter, so you'll a smoothed and
>> rounded representation of reality. It's not the frequency of the pulses
>> that's the issue here, it's the harmonics that compose the rising and
>> falling edges of the pulse.
>>
>> For AC pulses you can look at Arnaud's message. Godes didn't use this
>> approach, I think - instead the clever use of T8 as both an inductor and as
>> the primary of an isolation transformer; then by suitably referencing the
>> secondary side, the core sees AC. I could be misreading the design,
>> however. There are four MOSFETs in Godes design.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> I don't think your scope would need that level of resolution.  Godes
>>> describes using the following: A 100MHz Fluke 196C oscilloscope meter.
>>>
>>> Anyway, there is not a lot of info on the net about using PWM to make
>>> bipolar pulses.  Producing a DC pulse to those specs is not so difficult.
>>>  A bipolar pulse seems to be a different story.
>>>
>>> I have a 25mhz oscilloscope, so I'll try to see if it has the resolution
>>> needed.  Supposedly, it will show down to 5 ns/div on the horizontal axis.
>>>  I'll try to experiment to see if I can get a 100 ns DC pulse with PWM and
>>> see how the scope does.
>>>
>>> Here is the scope I have.
>>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007T6XNCA/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_SC_dp_1
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
>>>
 Interesting. A U.S. nickel is 1.95mm thick.


 On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery wrote:

> It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that
> given the speed of sound in 
> nickel
> :
>
> 5630m/s
>
> and 430kHz:
>
> 5630m/s;430kHz?mm
>
> ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
> = 2.0838194 mm
>
> In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
>>  On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
>> possibility [electrode acoustics]. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file
>> of a bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it 
>> into
>> a program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell 
>> analysis
>> software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
>> natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest
>> being around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. 
>> Higher
>> harmonics are barely above noise.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
>> magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode

Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Jack Cole
I see your point Jeff.

I did use the oscilloscope to figure out the minimum pulse width attainable
by the IOIO board I am using with my Android phone.  It will go down to 65
ns.

Arnaud (or anyone who can answer),

So if I understand correctly, you could use a PWM pulse with an H bridge to
get AC from a PWM signal?  I think I looked into this before, and the
problem would be that you wouldn't have the "dead space" in the current.
 Let's say you have a 100 ns + current and when this is switched off, the H
bridge allows the - current for the remainder of the duty cycle.  This gets
you closer, but is still not what is needed.  If I understand correctly,
you need a bipolar pulse (then no current in between the pulses).


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:

> You don't need a high speed scope if the circuit is working *correctly*.
> But if it's working correctly, you don't need to measure it at all.  ;-)
> The reason for a high speed scope is to observe the behavior when it's not
> working correctly. It's a high-power, high-speed AC circuit, so errors or
> bad construction practices may produces really weird results that simply
> won't be observable with a low-bandwidth instrument.
>
> I wouldn't read too much into the divisions on the scope. The probe and
> scope electronics will act as a low-pass filter, so you'll a smoothed and
> rounded representation of reality. It's not the frequency of the pulses
> that's the issue here, it's the harmonics that compose the rising and
> falling edges of the pulse.
>
> For AC pulses you can look at Arnaud's message. Godes didn't use this
> approach, I think - instead the clever use of T8 as both an inductor and as
> the primary of an isolation transformer; then by suitably referencing the
> secondary side, the core sees AC. I could be misreading the design,
> however. There are four MOSFETs in Godes design.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> I don't think your scope would need that level of resolution.  Godes
>> describes using the following: A 100MHz Fluke 196C oscilloscope meter.
>>
>> Anyway, there is not a lot of info on the net about using PWM to make
>> bipolar pulses.  Producing a DC pulse to those specs is not so difficult.
>>  A bipolar pulse seems to be a different story.
>>
>> I have a 25mhz oscilloscope, so I'll try to see if it has the resolution
>> needed.  Supposedly, it will show down to 5 ns/div on the horizontal axis.
>>  I'll try to experiment to see if I can get a 100 ns DC pulse with PWM and
>> see how the scope does.
>>
>> Here is the scope I have.
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007T6XNCA/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_SC_dp_1
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting. A U.S. nickel is 1.95mm thick.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery wrote:
>>>
 It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that
 given the speed of sound in 
 nickel
 :

 5630m/s

 and 430kHz:

 5630m/s;430kHz?mm

 ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
 = 2.0838194 mm

 In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.


 On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene wrote:

>  On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
> possibility [electrode acoustics]. 
>
> ** **
>
> My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of
> a bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
> program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
> software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
> natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.
>
> ** **
>
> The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
> around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
> harmonics are barely above noise.
>
> ** **
>
> Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
> magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
> acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
> otherwise worth pursuing.
>
> ** **
>
> Jones
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Bowery 
>
> ** **
>
> As I previously 
> advised
> :
>
> ** **
>
> "Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."
>
> ** **
>
> Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
> vortex-l, let me expand:
>
> ** **
>
> Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable

Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread David Roberson
An example of a high Q mechanical resonance is the Ultramax tag used to 
discourage shop lifting.  It couples to RF driving magnetic fields at 58 
kilohertz by using magnetostriction.  The Q can typically be around 300 with 
these devices.  This quite reasonable Q suggests that a far larger energy wave 
is propagating throughout the tag than is required to excite it.


Quartz crystal resonators exhibit much higher Q's which tends to be typical of 
stiff mechanical resonances.  Coupling to the internal resonances is generally 
by electric fields with crystal devices.  


It would not be too surprising to discover that similar high level induced 
acoustic waves would result in extreme pressures within the materials assisting 
LENR production such as mentioned by James.  If this is true, the resonant 
drive frequency would be critical and occupy a very narrow bandwidth.  Perhaps 
that is why it is difficult to accurately locate the desired drive frequency 
since a tiny frequency error would have enormous consequences.  There are 
tricks that can be applied to allow an accurate determination of the assumed 
high Q cathode mechanical resonance since the average frequency might not be 
accurate enough to work well with production variations.


Dave




-Original Message-
From: James Bowery 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels


As I previously advised:


"Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."


Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at vortex-l, 
let me expand:


Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable chance of 
bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active environment" 
hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on list the 
possibilities here.


Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR 
signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently 
reported as exhibiting the phenomena.


Need I say more?

Re: [Vo]:430 kHz may be a LENR signature
James Bowery
Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:31:29 -0800

Look at the acoustics of the electrodes.

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> There is an RF signal which appears to have a strong correlation to excess
> heating events in one kind of LENR. This is from a recent paper at ICCF17.
>
> The signal has a frequency of .43 MHz (430 kHz). This seems to be a
> signature - and a strong one. But it is too early to generalize.
>
> I have looked high and low to find some broader significance to this
> particular frequency, but nothing seems to turn up. This is "longwave" once
> used for Morse code and warning beacons, but not much used anymore. Who
> wants a 700 meter antenna?
>
> There is some relevance to "Rabi frequency" and to MRI but this seems
> incidental.
>
> A real connection to nuclear events seems extremely remote, given the
> wavelength - but it is there, and knowing why it is there could be
> important.
>
> Very strange...
>




On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

Hi folks,


I have completed a long series of experiments utilizing borax, standard nickels 
(combined with thoriated tungsten rods), and an automated Android phone control 
system.  Although I developed some cool methods of running experiments, I have 
to conclude that I found no anomalous heating.


Here is the final write-up and presentation.


http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/11/22/automated-android-electrolysis-system-experiments-1-25/



Best regards,
Jack



 


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Correct. Sanity check: if we imagine a hypothetical material with v =
430e3, d = 1 (meter); if v = 43e3, d = 0.1m ; 4.3e3, 0.01m. So the answer
for v = 5.63e3 must be slightly more than 0.01m.

James, I should have checked your math! ;-) The 1.95mm comment is a
nonstarter for two reasons, now.

Jeff


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Arnaud Kodeck wrote:

>  James,
>
> ** **
>
> I’ve a problem with my HP calculator emulator which gives me 13.093 mm
>
> ** **
>
> d= v * t = v / f ( with v=1/f)
>
> ** **
>
> 5630/430E3 = 13.093E-3 m => 13.093 mm
>
> ** **
>
> Arnaud
>   --
>
> *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* jeudi 22 novembre 2012 22:21
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels
>
> ** **
>
> It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that given the
> speed of sound in 
> nickel<http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/ndt-tutorials/thickness-gage/appendices-velocities/>
> :
>
>
> 5630m/s
>
> and 430kHz:
>
> 5630m/s;430kHz?mm
>
> ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
> = 2.0838194 mm
>
> In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:*
> ***
>
> On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
> possibility [electrode acoustics]. 
>
>  
>
> My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
> bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
> program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
> software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
> natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.
>
>  
>
> The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
> around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
> harmonics are barely above noise.
>
>  
>
> Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
> magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
> acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
> otherwise worth pursuing.
>
>  
>
> Jones
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* James Bowery 
>
>  
>
> As I previously 
> advised<http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg73144.html>
> :
>
>  
>
> "Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."
>
>  
>
> Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
> vortex-l, let me expand:
>
>  
>
> Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable
> chance of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active
> environment" hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on
> list the possibilities here.
>
>  
>
> Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
> signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
> reported as exhibiting the phenomena.
>
>  
>
> Need I say more?
>
>  
>
> ** **
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
You don't need a high speed scope if the circuit is working *correctly*.
But if it's working correctly, you don't need to measure it at all.  ;-)
The reason for a high speed scope is to observe the behavior when it's not
working correctly. It's a high-power, high-speed AC circuit, so errors or
bad construction practices may produces really weird results that simply
won't be observable with a low-bandwidth instrument.

I wouldn't read too much into the divisions on the scope. The probe and
scope electronics will act as a low-pass filter, so you'll a smoothed and
rounded representation of reality. It's not the frequency of the pulses
that's the issue here, it's the harmonics that compose the rising and
falling edges of the pulse.

For AC pulses you can look at Arnaud's message. Godes didn't use this
approach, I think - instead the clever use of T8 as both an inductor and as
the primary of an isolation transformer; then by suitably referencing the
secondary side, the core sees AC. I could be misreading the design,
however. There are four MOSFETs in Godes design.

Jeff

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> I don't think your scope would need that level of resolution.  Godes
> describes using the following: A 100MHz Fluke 196C oscilloscope meter.
>
> Anyway, there is not a lot of info on the net about using PWM to make
> bipolar pulses.  Producing a DC pulse to those specs is not so difficult.
>  A bipolar pulse seems to be a different story.
>
> I have a 25mhz oscilloscope, so I'll try to see if it has the resolution
> needed.  Supposedly, it will show down to 5 ns/div on the horizontal axis.
>  I'll try to experiment to see if I can get a 100 ns DC pulse with PWM and
> see how the scope does.
>
> Here is the scope I have.
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007T6XNCA/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_SC_dp_1
>
> Jack
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:
>
>> Interesting. A U.S. nickel is 1.95mm thick.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>>
>>> It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that
>>> given the speed of sound in 
>>> nickel
>>> :
>>>
>>> 5630m/s
>>>
>>> and 430kHz:
>>>
>>> 5630m/s;430kHz?mm
>>>
>>> ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
>>> = 2.0838194 mm
>>>
>>> In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
>>>
  On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
 possibility [electrode acoustics]. 

 ** **

 My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of
 a bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
 program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
 software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
 natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.

 ** **

 The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
 around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
 harmonics are barely above noise.

 ** **

 Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
 magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
 acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
 otherwise worth pursuing.

 ** **

 Jones

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* James Bowery 

 ** **

 As I previously 
 advised
 :

 ** **

 "Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."

 ** **

 Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
 vortex-l, let me expand:

 ** **

 Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable
 chance of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active
 environment" hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on
 list the possibilities here.

 ** **

 Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz
 LENR signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes
 frequently reported as exhibiting the phenomena.

 ** **

 Need I say more?**

 ** **

>>>
>>>
>>
>


RE: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
Jeff,

 

For AC bipolar pulse, I recommend you to have a look on the H bridge which
is a well known circuit in electronic.

 

4 MOSFETs and adequate control are all you need, to build it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_bridge

 

You may need to use a transformator to be able to put one electrode to the
ground.

 

Arnaud

  _  

From: Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: jeudi 22 novembre 2012 22:59
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

 

Jeff,

 

I don't think your scope would need that level of resolution.  Godes
describes using the following: A 100MHz Fluke 196C oscilloscope meter.

 

Anyway, there is not a lot of info on the net about using PWM to make
bipolar pulses.  Producing a DC pulse to those specs is not so difficult.  A
bipolar pulse seems to be a different story.

 

I have a 25mhz oscilloscope, so I'll try to see if it has the resolution
needed.  Supposedly, it will show down to 5 ns/div on the horizontal axis.
I'll try to experiment to see if I can get a 100 ns DC pulse with PWM and
see how the scope does.

 

Here is the scope I have.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007T6XNCA/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_SC_dp_1

 

Jack

 

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:

Interesting. A U.S. nickel is 1.95mm thick.

 

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that given
the speed of sound in nickel
<http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/ndt-tutorials/thickness-gage/appendices-veloc
ities/> :

 
5630m/s

and 430kHz:

5630m/s;430kHz?mm

([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
= 2.0838194 mm

In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.

 

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
possibility [electrode acoustics]. 

 

My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey's, and plugged it into a
program for this kind of analysis - in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.

 

The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
harmonics are barely above noise.

 

Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
otherwise worth pursuing.

 

Jones

 

 

From: James Bowery 

 

As I previously advised
<http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg73144.html> :

 

"Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."

 

Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
vortex-l, let me expand:

 

Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable chance
of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active environment"
hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on list the
possibilities here.

 

Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
reported as exhibiting the phenomena.

 

Need I say more?

 

 

 

 



Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Jack Cole
Jeff,

I don't think your scope would need that level of resolution.  Godes
describes using the following: A 100MHz Fluke 196C oscilloscope meter.

Anyway, there is not a lot of info on the net about using PWM to make
bipolar pulses.  Producing a DC pulse to those specs is not so difficult.
 A bipolar pulse seems to be a different story.

I have a 25mhz oscilloscope, so I'll try to see if it has the resolution
needed.  Supposedly, it will show down to 5 ns/div on the horizontal axis.
 I'll try to experiment to see if I can get a 100 ns DC pulse with PWM and
see how the scope does.

Here is the scope I have.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007T6XNCA/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_SC_dp_1

Jack


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:

> Interesting. A U.S. nickel is 1.95mm thick.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that given the
>> speed of sound in 
>> nickel
>> :
>>
>> 5630m/s
>>
>> and 430kHz:
>>
>> 5630m/s;430kHz?mm
>>
>> ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
>> = 2.0838194 mm
>>
>> In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>>
>>>  On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
>>> possibility [electrode acoustics]. 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
>>> bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
>>> program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
>>> software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
>>> natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
>>> around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
>>> harmonics are barely above noise.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
>>> magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
>>> acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
>>> otherwise worth pursuing.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Jones
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* James Bowery 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> As I previously 
>>> advised
>>> :
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> "Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
>>> vortex-l, let me expand:
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable
>>> chance of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active
>>> environment" hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on
>>> list the possibilities here.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
>>> signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
>>> reported as exhibiting the phenomena.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Need I say more?**
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>
>>
>


RE: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
d = distance

v = speed (vitesse in french)

t = time and f = frequency

 

  _  

From: Arnaud Kodeck [mailto:arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be] 
Sent: jeudi 22 novembre 2012 22:51
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

 

James,

 

I've a problem with my HP calculator emulator which gives me 13.093 mm

 

d= v * t = v / f ( with v=1/f)

 

5630/430E3 = 13.093E-3 m => 13.093 mm

 

Arnaud

  _  

From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] 
Sent: jeudi 22 novembre 2012 22:21
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

 

It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that given
the
<http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/ndt-tutorials/thickness-gage/appendices-veloc
ities/>  speed of sound in nickel:

 
5630m/s

and 430kHz:

5630m/s;430kHz?mm

([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
= 2.0838194 mm

In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
possibility [electrode acoustics]. 

 

My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey's, and plugged it into a
program for this kind of analysis - in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.

 

The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
harmonics are barely above noise.

 

Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
otherwise worth pursuing.

 

Jones

 

 

From: James Bowery 

 

As I previously advised
<http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg73144.html> :

 

"Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."

 

Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
vortex-l, let me expand:

 

Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable chance
of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active environment"
hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on list the
possibilities here.

 

Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
reported as exhibiting the phenomena.

 

Need I say more?

 

 



Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
However a U.S. nickel is 75/25 copper/nickel. It might be possible to
figure out the speed of sound using information in this thread:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=277330

I'll look at it later.

Jeff


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:

> Interesting. A U.S. nickel is 1.95mm thick.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that given the
>> speed of sound in 
>> nickel
>> :
>>
>> 5630m/s
>>
>> and 430kHz:
>>
>> 5630m/s;430kHz?mm
>>
>> ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
>> = 2.0838194 mm
>>
>> In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>>
>>>  On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
>>> possibility [electrode acoustics]. 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
>>> bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
>>> program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
>>> software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
>>> natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
>>> around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
>>> harmonics are barely above noise.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
>>> magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
>>> acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
>>> otherwise worth pursuing.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Jones
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* James Bowery 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> As I previously 
>>> advised
>>> :
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> "Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
>>> vortex-l, let me expand:
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable
>>> chance of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active
>>> environment" hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on
>>> list the possibilities here.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
>>> signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
>>> reported as exhibiting the phenomena.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Need I say more?**
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>
>>
>


RE: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
James,

 

I've a problem with my HP calculator emulator which gives me 13.093 mm

 

d= v * t = v / f ( with v=1/f)

 

5630/430E3 = 13.093E-3 m => 13.093 mm

 

Arnaud

  _  

From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] 
Sent: jeudi 22 novembre 2012 22:21
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

 

It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that given
the
<http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/ndt-tutorials/thickness-gage/appendices-veloc
ities/>  speed of sound in nickel:

 
5630m/s

and 430kHz:

5630m/s;430kHz?mm

([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
= 2.0838194 mm

In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
possibility [electrode acoustics]. 

 

My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey's, and plugged it into a
program for this kind of analysis - in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.

 

The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
harmonics are barely above noise.

 

Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
otherwise worth pursuing.

 

Jones

 

 

From: James Bowery 

 

As I previously advised
<http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg73144.html> :

 

"Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."

 

Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
vortex-l, let me expand:

 

Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable chance
of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active environment"
hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on list the
possibilities here.

 

Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
reported as exhibiting the phenomena.

 

Need I say more?

 

 



Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Interesting. A U.S. nickel is 1.95mm thick.


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that given the
> speed of sound in 
> nickel
> :
>
> 5630m/s
>
> and 430kHz:
>
> 5630m/s;430kHz?mm
>
> ([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
> = 2.0838194 mm
>
> In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>>  On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
>> possibility [electrode acoustics]. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
>> bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
>> program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
>> software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
>> natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
>> around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
>> harmonics are barely above noise.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
>> magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
>> acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
>> otherwise worth pursuing.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jones
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* James Bowery 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> As I previously 
>> advised
>> :
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> "Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
>> vortex-l, let me expand:
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable
>> chance of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active
>> environment" hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on
>> list the possibilities here.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
>> signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
>> reported as exhibiting the phenomena.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Need I say more?**
>>
>> ** **
>>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread James Bowery
It's hard to know where to begin here but let me just say this that given the
speed of sound in
nickel
:

5630m/s

and 430kHz:

5630m/s;430kHz?mm

([5630 * meter] / second) * (430 * [kilo*hertz])^-1 ? milli*meter
= 2.0838194 mm

In other words, a 2mm electrode should exhibit resonance at ~430kHz.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>  On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
> possibility [electrode acoustics]. 
>
> ** **
>
> My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
> bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey’s, and plugged it into a
> program for this kind of analysis – in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
> software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
> natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.
>
> ** **
>
> The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
> around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
> harmonics are barely above noise.
>
> ** **
>
> Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
> magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
> acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
> otherwise worth pursuing.
>
> ** **
>
> Jones
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Bowery 
>
> ** **
>
> As I previously 
> advised
> :
>
> ** **
>
> "Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."
>
> ** **
>
> Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
> vortex-l, let me expand:
>
> ** **
>
> Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable
> chance of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active
> environment" hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on
> list the possibilities here.
>
> ** **
>
> Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
> signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
> reported as exhibiting the phenomena.
>
> ** **
>
> Need I say more?**
>
> ** **
>


RE: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Jones Beene
On the contrary James, at least two of us did look closely at this
possibility [electrode acoustics]. 

 

My associate went to trouble to find and download a mpeg sound file of a
bicycle bell of the same general size as Davey's, and plugged it into a
program for this kind of analysis - in fact it is dedicated bell analysis
software that has proved very accurate for electrodes in the past. The
natural acoustic of this hemisphere are nowhere close.

 

The main freq is 4,445.5 Hz, with some sub harmonics, the lowest being
around 521/545 Hz, but those are so faint as to be discarded. Higher
harmonics are barely above noise.

 

Thus, since the acoustics of the electrodes were off by two orders of
magnitude over the signature sound, we did not think that electrode
acoustics were in any way relevant as an alternative explanation, or
otherwise worth pursuing.

 

Jones

 

 

From: James Bowery 

 

As I 
previously advised:

 

"Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."

 

Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
vortex-l, let me expand:

 

Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable chance
of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active environment"
hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on list the
possibilities here.

 

Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
reported as exhibiting the phenomena.

 

Need I say more?

 



Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread James Bowery
As I previously
advised
:

"Look at the acoustics of the electrodes."

Since this advice seemed to make no impact on the discourse here at
vortex-l, let me expand:

Acoustic resonance in the metallic electrodes does have a reasonable chance
of bearing directly on the creation of the "nuclear active environment"
hypothesized to exist.  I don't think I need to expland on list the
possibilities here.

Moreover, if one looks at the speed of sound in metals, the "430kHz LENR
signature" regime corresponds to the thickness of the cathodes frequently
reported as exhibiting the phenomena.

Need I say more?
Re: [Vo]:430 kHz may be a LENR signature

James Bowery
Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:31:29 -0800

Look at the acoustics of the electrodes.

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> There is an RF signal which appears to have a strong correlation to excess
> heating events in one kind of LENR. This is from a recent paper at ICCF17.
>
> The signal has a frequency of .43 MHz (430 kHz). This seems to be a
> signature - and a strong one. But it is too early to generalize.
>
> I have looked high and low to find some broader significance to this
> particular frequency, but nothing seems to turn up. This is "longwave" once
> used for Morse code and warning beacons, but not much used anymore. Who
> wants a 700 meter antenna?
>
> There is some relevance to "Rabi frequency" and to MRI but this seems
> incidental.
>
> A real connection to nuclear events seems extremely remote, given the
> wavelength - but it is there, and knowing why it is there could be
> important.
>
> Very strange...
>



On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I have completed a long series of experiments utilizing borax, standard
> nickels (combined with thoriated tungsten rods), and an automated Android
> phone control system.  Although I developed some cool methods of running
> experiments, I have to conclude that I found no anomalous heating.
>
> Here is the final write-up and presentation.
>
>
> http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/11/22/automated-android-electrolysis-system-experiments-1-25/
>
> Best regards,
> Jack
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread James Bowery
While your "humble" opinions quite possibly directly follow from:

"This is called reverse field current in plasma physics. It produces a
counter rotating plasmoid in the shape of a ring. The plasmoid moves
forward in a dielectric like a rolling smoke ring."

This premise is also an opinion and is not humble in the slightest.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

>
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Flenr-canr.org%2Facrobat%2FGodesRcontrolled.pdf&ei=iV6uUL25CaeF0QHQqIG4DA&usg=AFQjCNHuzrqKGBNAwRi7rIW-VMSkqLKLHA&sig2=7Pt74QjBK5CUU6fNvN-1OQ
>
> *Controlled Electron Capture and the Path Toward Commercialization*
>
> From the reference as follows:
>
> “The AC stimulation consists of alternating high voltage positive and
> negative pulses, approximately 100ns wide, of duty cycles up to 1% or
> repetition rates of up to 100KHz”
>
> This is called reverse field current in plasma physics. It produces a
> counter rotating plasmoid in the shape of a ring. The plasmoid moves
> forward in a dielectric like a rolling smoke ring.
>
>
>
> This alternating pulse current is not an AC current. It produces very high
> Instantaneous power. IMHO, the pulse cycle should be modified so that a
> weak positive pulse acts as a pre-iodization pulse for the negative pulse.
> The power delivered by the negative pulse could therefore be further
> increased. The current is high but the short pulse duration keeps the thin
> wire from damage.
>
> IMHO, Your experiment should include a comparison of various pulse regimes
> to compare for optimized heat production.
>
>
> Cheers: Axil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> Axil,
>>
>> Yes, that is the plan.  I'm still trying to understand exactly what Godes
>> does.  It turns out to not be real easy to get a bipolar (AC) pulse at
>> ~200V along with the loading DC.  High frequency/high voltage AC is the key
>> at a specific pulse width to get the conductor skin effect (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect).  You won't get that with DC
>> pulses.
>>
>> Also, in this early test cell, it looks like he is using more than 2
>> electrodes in the cell.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFrDlcnjth8
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>> Jack,
>>>
>>> I suggest that you rerun your experiment with nanosecond duration pulsed
>>> direct current using capacitive discharge.
>>>
>>> You have not tested the hypothesis that high instantaneous pulse power
>>> output will trigger over unity power production as has been demonstrated
>>> by  Brillouin Energy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers:   Axil
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>>
 Hi folks,

 I have completed a long series of experiments utilizing borax, standard
 nickels (combined with thoriated tungsten rods), and an automated Android
 phone control system.  Although I developed some cool methods of running
 experiments, I have to conclude that I found no anomalous heating.

 Here is the final write-up and presentation.


 http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/11/22/automated-android-electrolysis-system-experiments-1-25/

 Best regards,
 Jack

>>>
>>>
>>
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Axil, absolutely right, yet I agree with Jack about the implementation.
When I did that LTSpice analysis of the simplified circuit, I was very
clear about how big a simplification it was for me to leave out the
isolation transformer and the loading current. The entire circuit as
described in the patent is quite complex and subtle. The pulse generator is
very close to oscillation; poor construction techniques alone are probably
enough to make it ring like a bell instead of producing pulses that can be
modulated from the microcontroller as described in the patent.

Jack, I think really understanding the isolation transformer T8 is
essential to solving the problem with the loading current. The
microcontroller/pulse generator and the wet cell are separate circuits with
separate grounds. I don't think the circuit will work as described if the
two sides of T8 have a common ground anywhere. In fact I think it might
result in letting the smoke out.

And it's always worth mention that the circuit in the patent is potentially
deadly.

The issue that has blocked our little group from taking this on is the cost
of the test equipment. Without a high-bandwidth oscilloscope to look at the
Q pulses, you are blind. Based on my own experience (with vaguely similar
designs for driving large piezo transducers in sonar systems), the drive
circuit is unlikely to work as intended without testing and fussing and
adjustment, so being blind does not sound like a path to success. I think
300Mhz bandwidth is the bare minimum, a GHz scope would be better. These
cost money.

Let us know how it goes.

Jeff



On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

>
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Flenr-canr.org%2Facrobat%2FGodesRcontrolled.pdf&ei=iV6uUL25CaeF0QHQqIG4DA&usg=AFQjCNHuzrqKGBNAwRi7rIW-VMSkqLKLHA&sig2=7Pt74QjBK5CUU6fNvN-1OQ
>
> *Controlled Electron Capture and the Path Toward Commercialization*
>
> From the reference as follows:
>
> “The AC stimulation consists of alternating high voltage positive and
> negative pulses, approximately 100ns wide, of duty cycles up to 1% or
> repetition rates of up to 100KHz”
>
> This is called reverse field current in plasma physics. It produces a
> counter rotating plasmoid in the shape of a ring. The plasmoid moves
> forward in a dielectric like a rolling smoke ring.
>
>
>
> This alternating pulse current is not an AC current. It produces very high
> Instantaneous power. IMHO, the pulse cycle should be modified so that a
> weak positive pulse acts as a pre-iodization pulse for the negative pulse.
> The power delivered by the negative pulse could therefore be further
> increased. The current is high but the short pulse duration keeps the thin
> wire from damage.
>
> IMHO, Your experiment should include a comparison of various pulse regimes
> to compare for optimized heat production.
>
>
> Cheers: Axil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> Axil,
>>
>> Yes, that is the plan.  I'm still trying to understand exactly what Godes
>> does.  It turns out to not be real easy to get a bipolar (AC) pulse at
>> ~200V along with the loading DC.  High frequency/high voltage AC is the key
>> at a specific pulse width to get the conductor skin effect (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect).  You won't get that with DC
>> pulses.
>>
>> Also, in this early test cell, it looks like he is using more than 2
>> electrodes in the cell.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFrDlcnjth8
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>> Jack,
>>>
>>> I suggest that you rerun your experiment with nanosecond duration pulsed
>>> direct current using capacitive discharge.
>>>
>>> You have not tested the hypothesis that high instantaneous pulse power
>>> output will trigger over unity power production as has been demonstrated
>>> by  Brillouin Energy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers:   Axil
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>>
 Hi folks,

 I have completed a long series of experiments utilizing borax, standard
 nickels (combined with thoriated tungsten rods), and an automated Android
 phone control system.  Although I developed some cool methods of running
 experiments, I have to conclude that I found no anomalous heating.

 Here is the final write-up and presentation.


 http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/11/22/automated-android-electrolysis-system-experiments-1-25/

 Best regards,
 Jack

>>>
>>>
>>
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Flenr-canr.org%2Facrobat%2FGodesRcontrolled.pdf&ei=iV6uUL25CaeF0QHQqIG4DA&usg=AFQjCNHuzrqKGBNAwRi7rIW-VMSkqLKLHA&sig2=7Pt74QjBK5CUU6fNvN-1OQ

*Controlled Electron Capture and the Path Toward Commercialization*

>From the reference as follows:

“The AC stimulation consists of alternating high voltage positive and
negative pulses, approximately 100ns wide, of duty cycles up to 1% or
repetition rates of up to 100KHz”

This is called reverse field current in plasma physics. It produces a
counter rotating plasmoid in the shape of a ring. The plasmoid moves
forward in a dielectric like a rolling smoke ring.



This alternating pulse current is not an AC current. It produces very high
Instantaneous power. IMHO, the pulse cycle should be modified so that a
weak positive pulse acts as a pre-iodization pulse for the negative pulse.
The power delivered by the negative pulse could therefore be further
increased. The current is high but the short pulse duration keeps the thin
wire from damage.

IMHO, Your experiment should include a comparison of various pulse regimes
to compare for optimized heat production.


Cheers: Axil







On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Axil,
>
> Yes, that is the plan.  I'm still trying to understand exactly what Godes
> does.  It turns out to not be real easy to get a bipolar (AC) pulse at
> ~200V along with the loading DC.  High frequency/high voltage AC is the key
> at a specific pulse width to get the conductor skin effect (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect).  You won't get that with DC
> pulses.
>
> Also, in this early test cell, it looks like he is using more than 2
> electrodes in the cell.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFrDlcnjth8
>
> Jack
>
> Jack
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> Jack,
>>
>> I suggest that you rerun your experiment with nanosecond duration pulsed
>> direct current using capacitive discharge.
>>
>> You have not tested the hypothesis that high instantaneous pulse power
>> output will trigger over unity power production as has been demonstrated
>> by  Brillouin Energy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers:   Axil
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I have completed a long series of experiments utilizing borax, standard
>>> nickels (combined with thoriated tungsten rods), and an automated Android
>>> phone control system.  Although I developed some cool methods of running
>>> experiments, I have to conclude that I found no anomalous heating.
>>>
>>> Here is the final write-up and presentation.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/11/22/automated-android-electrolysis-system-experiments-1-25/
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jack
>>>
>>
>>
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-22 Thread Jack Cole
Axil,

Yes, that is the plan.  I'm still trying to understand exactly what Godes
does.  It turns out to not be real easy to get a bipolar (AC) pulse at
~200V along with the loading DC.  High frequency/high voltage AC is the key
at a specific pulse width to get the conductor skin effect (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect).  You won't get that with DC
pulses.

Also, in this early test cell, it looks like he is using more than 2
electrodes in the cell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFrDlcnjth8

Jack

Jack


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Jack,
>
> I suggest that you rerun your experiment with nanosecond duration pulsed
> direct current using capacitive discharge.
>
> You have not tested the hypothesis that high instantaneous pulse power
> output will trigger over unity power production as has been demonstrated
> by  Brillouin Energy.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers:   Axil
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I have completed a long series of experiments utilizing borax, standard
>> nickels (combined with thoriated tungsten rods), and an automated Android
>> phone control system.  Although I developed some cool methods of running
>> experiments, I have to conclude that I found no anomalous heating.
>>
>> Here is the final write-up and presentation.
>>
>>
>> http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/11/22/automated-android-electrolysis-system-experiments-1-25/
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jack
>>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-21 Thread Axil Axil
Jack,

I suggest that you rerun your experiment with nanosecond duration pulsed
direct current using capacitive discharge.

You have not tested the hypothesis that high instantaneous pulse power
output will trigger over unity power production as has been demonstrated
by  Brillouin Energy.





Cheers:   Axil

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I have completed a long series of experiments utilizing borax, standard
> nickels (combined with thoriated tungsten rods), and an automated Android
> phone control system.  Although I developed some cool methods of running
> experiments, I have to conclude that I found no anomalous heating.
>
> Here is the final write-up and presentation.
>
>
> http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/11/22/automated-android-electrolysis-system-experiments-1-25/
>
> Best regards,
> Jack
>


[Vo]:25 experiments completed with borax and nickels

2012-11-21 Thread Jack Cole
Hi folks,

I have completed a long series of experiments utilizing borax, standard
nickels (combined with thoriated tungsten rods), and an automated Android
phone control system.  Although I developed some cool methods of running
experiments, I have to conclude that I found no anomalous heating.

Here is the final write-up and presentation.

http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/11/22/automated-android-electrolysis-system-experiments-1-25/

Best regards,
Jack