Re: [Vo]:Speaking of finely divided nickel
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:57:38 -0700: Hi, [snip] It doesn't seem likely that the tubules themselves are actually composed of nickel, although it is possible. But whatever they are composed of - they would serve the purpose of 'ventilation' of a lattice-like structure, as you indicate. Someone (maybe it was you) had speculated before that the tubules could be carbon nanotubes, or titania nanotubes - both of which are commercially available. [snip] If they exist, and have a diameter that is some multiple of 13.65 nm, then they may well act as Mills catalysts. This is particularly so if they are electrically conducting, in which case they act as miniature wave guides for short wavelength radiation that matches the energy hole frequency. Carbon or Nickel nano-tubes would probably excel in this role. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Speaking of finely divided nickel
Rossi said that he spent every waking hour for six months tweaking the size and shape of the tubules to provide maximum performance. Maybe he found the miniature wave guide frequency that matches the energy hole by trial and error. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:58 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:57:38 -0700: Hi, [snip] It doesn't seem likely that the tubules themselves are actually composed of nickel, although it is possible. But whatever they are composed of - they would serve the purpose of 'ventilation' of a lattice-like structure, as you indicate. Someone (maybe it was you) had speculated before that the tubules could be carbon nanotubes, or titania nanotubes - both of which are commercially available. [snip] If they exist, and have a diameter that is some multiple of 13.65 nm, then they may well act as Mills catalysts. This is particularly so if they are electrically conducting, in which case they act as miniature wave guides for short wavelength radiation that matches the energy hole frequency. Carbon or Nickel nano-tubes would probably excel in this role. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Speaking of finely divided nickel
See please in my recent writings at my Blog Ego Out, what says Piantelli about nanonickel. It is the essence of the problem- respectively the Solution. And he explains it on a causal basis. Peter On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi said that he spent every waking hour for six months tweaking the size and shape of the tubules to provide maximum performance. Maybe he found the miniature wave guide frequency that matches the energy hole by trial and error. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:58 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:57:38 -0700: Hi, [snip] It doesn't seem likely that the tubules themselves are actually composed of nickel, although it is possible. But whatever they are composed of - they would serve the purpose of 'ventilation' of a lattice-like structure, as you indicate. Someone (maybe it was you) had speculated before that the tubules could be carbon nanotubes, or titania nanotubes - both of which are commercially available. [snip] If they exist, and have a diameter that is some multiple of 13.65 nm, then they may well act as Mills catalysts. This is particularly so if they are electrically conducting, in which case they act as miniature wave guides for short wavelength radiation that matches the energy hole frequency. Carbon or Nickel nano-tubes would probably excel in this role. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Speaking of \finely divided nickel\
Axil, The only disagreement I have with your position is Rydberg vs Inverse Rydberg - I won't say Rydberg gas atoms aren't involved [in fact it may be a push pull relationship] but I think they only occur on the surfaces you describe OUTSIDE the Casimir cavity and you are denying yourself a whole lot of usable surface area in the metal foam you described. IMHO rydberg atoms are responsible for the claims of slightly delayed half lives in radioactive gases while the claims of much more pronounced accelerated half lives are associated with Inverse Rydberg gas atoms INSIDE the Casimir geometry. This in keeping with my posit that Casimir force results in SEGREGATION of vacuum wavelengths NOT the simple displacement held by mainstream Casimir theory, The wavelengths pile up just outside the boundary to push these apparently shorter wavelengths through the cavity. I am convinced the displacement is actually a relativistic symmetrical Lorentzian contraction and that both types of Rydberg would appear smaller from the perspective of our ambient energy density for the same reason both remote observers appear smaller and slower to each other in the Twin paradox regardless of who is accelerated. I believe vacuum energy density increases and time slows for rydberg [similar to gravity well] and density decreases and time accelerates for inverse Rydberg [similar to a gravity warp or hill]. The segregation I mentioned means the concentrated low energy density between the boundaries is exactly balanced by a high energy density in a very near field on the outside surface of the mirrors. Perhaps we need to consider some sort of linkage between these different type of Rydberg gas atoms without and within that might allow a controlled asymmetry - Heisenberg trap? The mirrors obviously exert a quantum force on both by modifying energy density and breaking the isotropy at other than the square law of a gravitational gradient. Could the tail be wagging the dog in so far as condensed hydrogen or super atoms in both regions could be interacting by modifying the Casimir effect - perhaps creating instabilities between super atoms that seek out the least resistive path to decay within their combined structures? BTW if I am correct about the relativistic aspects of the metal foam you describe it could produce mirror boundaries separated by less than atomic widths from our perspective yet still contain numerous fractional hydrogen atoms between said boundaries due to a symmetrical lorentzian contraction where energy density has been modified by suppression instead of velocity - the end result is v^2/C^2 is still modified but it is now the y axis itself being modified so there is no Pythagorean penalty AND all spatial axis appear to shrink equally from the perspective of an observer in any other frame. Regards Fran In addition as time goes by through the continuing action of heat, I speculate that the double tiered nano/micro particles would tend to weld themselves together at their contact points to form a kind of micro dimensioned porous metal-foam further reducing the total available surface area.
Re: [Vo]:Speaking of finely divided nickel
I find Jones’ post on finely divided nickel exceedingly interesting, informative, and valuable. For what it is worth, the content and logic of this post fits in well with my thinking on the Rossi question. To further the discussion, I believe that the nano-structures that actively mediate the Ni-H reaction must sit on top of or be welded to a metal lattice. This rough and rigid surface configuration will ionize the Rydburg atoms due to the differing and randomized crystal structures of these nickel nano-protuberances. This double tiered topology would act in a similar fashion or preform the same function as a spill over catalyst would. That is, these random crystal outcrops use sharp changes in surface work function caused by cryptologic variability to electrostatically disrupt and ionize the hydrogen Rydberg atoms. There have been reports that Rossi uses big micro grain sized particles as a lattice support structure to buttress small nano-dimensioned tubule structures of nickel. This more complex topology would cut down some on the maximum surface area that would be provided by a single tiered uniform nano particle topology. In addition as time goes by through the continuing action of heat, I speculate that the double tiered nano/micro particles would tend to weld themselves together at their contact points to form a kind of micro dimensioned porous metal-foam further reducing the total available surface area. On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: “Nano” is the key to many anomalies, and the follow numbers tend to support a surprising conclusion, to wit: Rossi’s “industrial secret” catalyst is NOT nearly as good as the original … ** ** In 1994 in a series of experiments lasting over a year, but before nickel nanopowder was available, Thermacore was able to get ~50 watts of continuous excess energy – output over the input - from what works out to 143 cm^2 surface area of nickel. ** ** This is based on the surface area of polished capillary tubing, which was in contact with a catalyst (one of several alkali metals, as specified in CQM theory based on Rydberg’s constant). If the surface area had been etched and pitted, as would be expected, then the true surface area could be a multiple of that, but probably not over 400 cm^2. ** ** BTW Rydberg was a Swede, and his constant was found experimentally – since it predated the development of quantum theory. But nowadays, it can be derived from quantum mechanics, which gives it extra credence. Perhaps this is a detail which has attracted the Swedes to the recent incarnation of this early experiment. http://free-energy.xf.cz/H2/papers/Anomalous-Heat-from-Atomic-Hydrogen.pdf ** ** Now fast-forward 17 years. The spec sheets from nano-nickel suppliers say that 400,000 cm^2/gm of surface area is available from this geometry as opposed to the ~400 cm^2/gm of the older tubing. ** ** Therefore, only one gram of nano nickel should give an increase of (400,000/400) or about 3 orders of magnitude more surface area. If surface area correlates well to excess energy, and this is almost a given – then this incredible increase should easily push the 50 watts seen in 1994 above the heat level now claimed by AR. ** ** Is there a surprising conclusion that one draw from this set of circumstances ? ** ** Guess what, sports fans: this could indicates that Rossi’s catalyst may NOT be as good as the potassium carbonate used initially ! ** ** But even if it is exactly the same catalyst (or one the other alkali metals mentioned in the CQM theory) – then this fact, plus the old experiment, may also indicate why the present inventor has been reluctant to disclose its true identity. ** ** Jones
RE: [Vo]:Speaking of finely divided nickel
From: Axil Axil * There have been reports that Rossi uses big micro grain sized particles as a lattice support structure to buttress small nano-dimensioned tubule structures of nickel. This more complex topology would cut down some on the maximum surface area that would be provided by a single tiered uniform nano particle topology. It doesn't seem likely that the tubules themselves are actually composed of nickel, although it is possible. But whatever they are composed of - they would serve the purpose of 'ventilation' of a lattice-like structure, as you indicate. Someone (maybe it was you) had speculated before that the tubules could be carbon nanotubes, or titania nanotubes - both of which are commercially available. These nanotubes could be simply mixed in with a larger grain size of loaded micro-particle which has nano-islands, in order to facilitate migration or circulation of hydrogen deeper into and around the powder. That makes a fair amount of sense based on conflicting statements from Rossi. It also makes sense as an alternative - to provide circulation of hydrogen in a way similar to Thermacore was doing with porous nickel capillary tubing. But instead of having the reaction occur on the capillaries themselves add the nanopowder and catalyst as a mix. Either way, it would seem that the reactor must provide a way for hydrogen to circulate and contact as much surface area as possible, when large particles are being used. Using PWM to pulse the heat input would essentially pump hydrogen as well. Rossi gives every indication of being well-read and aware of what is in the LENR literature. If he missed the Thermacore papers (there are a least three of them out there, two on gas phase and one electrolytic) then that would be a bigger surprise than if he was able to modify the technique and improve it by using carbon nanotubes instead of nickel capillary tubes. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]:Speaking of finely divided nickel
Nano is the key to many anomalies, and the follow numbers tend to support a surprising conclusion, to wit: Rossi's industrial secret catalyst is NOT nearly as good as the original . In 1994 in a series of experiments lasting over a year, but before nickel nanopowder was available, Thermacore was able to get ~50 watts of continuous excess energy - output over the input - from what works out to 143 cm^2 surface area of nickel. This is based on the surface area of polished capillary tubing, which was in contact with a catalyst (one of several alkali metals, as specified in CQM theory based on Rydberg's constant). If the surface area had been etched and pitted, as would be expected, then the true surface area could be a multiple of that, but probably not over 400 cm^2. BTW Rydberg was a Swede, and his constant was found experimentally - since it predated the development of quantum theory. But nowadays, it can be derived from quantum mechanics, which gives it extra credence. Perhaps this is a detail which has attracted the Swedes to the recent incarnation of this early experiment. http://free-energy.xf.cz/H2/papers/Anomalous-Heat-from-Atomic-Hydrogen.pdf Now fast-forward 17 years. The spec sheets from nano-nickel suppliers say that 400,000 cm^2/gm of surface area is available from this geometry as opposed to the ~400 cm^2/gm of the older tubing. Therefore, only one gram of nano nickel should give an increase of (400,000/400) or about 3 orders of magnitude more surface area. If surface area correlates well to excess energy, and this is almost a given - then this incredible increase should easily push the 50 watts seen in 1994 above the heat level now claimed by AR. Is there a surprising conclusion that one draw from this set of circumstances ? Guess what, sports fans: this could indicates that Rossi's catalyst may NOT be as good as the potassium carbonate used initially ! But even if it is exactly the same catalyst (or one the other alkali metals mentioned in the CQM theory) - then this fact, plus the old experiment, may also indicate why the present inventor has been reluctant to disclose its true identity. Jones
