Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-21 Thread thomas malloy
thomas malloy wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
Ed Storms responded'
I've been reading about the Yuri Popatov's Yusmar machine, which 
AFAIK, produces LENR's in an aquas solution by means of a vortex. 
Heat is a big item with Russians, and electricity costs something 
there too. The fact that he has lots of orders for the machines, 
should tell you something.
The Yusmar machine has been tested several times, once at LANL under 
the direction of Popatov, and none of the tests showed excess 
energy. However, as a method to convert electric energy to heat 
energy, it is very practical because it is simple and does not 
require maintenance. Russian water is frequently impure so that 
using a resistor for conversion results in build up of deposit that 
requires removal. This is the major reason the method is popular in 
Russia.

Regards,
Ed


Do you recall what the thermal efficiency that LANL observed was?


Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-21 Thread Edmund Storms

thomas malloy wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
Ed Storms responded'
Once again, we are being treated to one more example of exaggeration 
and BS.  The Taleyarkhan cavitation work is hot fusion occurring in 
bubbles, not cold fusion.

I don't understand how hot fusion in bubbles differs from what the 
other LERN researchers are doing,

LENR describes nuclear reactions made to occur under conditions that 
conflict with all conventional experience and theory, while hot fusion 
in bubbles is normal high-energy fusion.

I've always assumed that any induced nuclear reaction, other than lasers 
in a plasma, was an LENR. Particularly if it involved bubbles in a 
liquid, which I assume was water.
Because of the Coulomb barrier, all nuclear reactions, excluding LENR 
and neutron reactions, require high energy. The discovery that such 
reactions can be initiated without high energy is the unique aspect of LENR.


 The rates are very low and the method would not work if power 
output were at commercial levels, yet this work gets attention. In 
contrast, Stringham has caused cold fusion to occur at near 
commercial levels in metals by applying deuterium to the metal using 
cavitation, yet this work is ignored.

It is regrettable that the physics establishment ignores this 
research. OTOH, once commercially feasible amount of energy are 
produced, things will change.

Unfortunately, commercial amounts of energy are impossible using this 
technique.  The amount of energy generated by each bubble is just too 
small.

Interesting observation. I've heard about inducing reactions by sonic 
stimulation of water. You're saying that the energy output for a 
reactions induced by what ever stimulation he was using will never go 
over unity, since you've studied it and I haven't,  I'll take your word 
for it.

I've been reading about the Yuri Popatov's Yusmar machine, which AFAIK, 
produces LENR's in an aquas solution by means of a vortex. Heat is a big 
item with Russians, and electricity costs something there too. The fact 
that he has lots of orders for the machines, should tell you something.
The Yusmar machine has been tested several times, once at LANL under the 
direction of Popatov, and none of the tests showed excess energy. 
However, as a method to convert electric energy to heat energy, it is 
very practical because it is simple and does not require maintenance. 
Russian water is frequently impure so that using a resistor for 
conversion results in build up of deposit that requires removal. This is 
the major reason the method is popular in Russia.

Regards,
Ed


We are not being treated to dreams, but to nightmares.

Ever the pessimist

Guilty. In my defense, some times are more consistent with pessimism 
than others. This happens to be one of those times.

Regards,
Ed
I know what you mean.




Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-21 Thread Grimer
At 01:45 am 21-02-05 -0600, you wrote:



>
>I've been reading about the Yuri Popatov's Yusmar machine, which 
>AFAIK, produces LENR's in an aquas solution by means of a vortex. 
>Heat is a big item with Russians, and electricity costs something 
>there too. The fact that he has lots of orders for the machines, 
>should tell you something.




Looking up YUSMAR I came across the following:

===
However, the speakers from the Russian Academy 
of Sciences are probably forgetting about the 
YUSMAR systems that first appeared in the Moldovan 
city of Chisinau. This technology has been patented 
in 42 countries. The YUSMAR system was tested several 
times in reliable research centers in Russia and the 
United States. It was discovered that the system 
produced about two kilowatts of heat per one kilowatt 
of consumed energy. This technology caused much dispute. 
Is it a perpetual-motion machine? Many scientists are 
convinced that this machine cannot operate -- but it 
does. 


Let's leave it for scientists to decide whether the 
machine can work or not. In the near future, the 
fantastic invention of the Volgograd research group 
will be realized. A Canadian company has already 
concluded a contract with Volgograd-s Scientific 
industrial center GRUS for production of a new type 
of power source. The company believes that this new 
technology can "change the whole energy-supply system." 


These compact generators can continuously generate 
electricity and need no technical input: Their duration 
is unlimited. Thus, people having the appliance will 
obtain an electric-power station of their own that can 
be placed in the home or office. The power capacity of 
the new generator is three to ten kilowatts, which is 
quite enough for energy supply to an apartment or an 
office.

===

The report is 2 years old so don't hold your breath. ;-)

Frank Grimer



Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-20 Thread thomas malloy
thomas malloy wrote:
Ed Storms responded'
Once again, we are being treated to one more example of 
exaggeration and BS.  The Taleyarkhan cavitation work is hot 
fusion occurring in bubbles, not cold fusion.

I don't understand how hot fusion in bubbles differs from what the 
other LERN researchers are doing,
LENR describes nuclear reactions made to occur under conditions that 
conflict with all conventional experience and theory, while hot 
fusion in bubbles is normal high-energy fusion.
I've always assumed that any induced nuclear reaction, other than 
lasers in a plasma, was an LENR. Particularly if it involved bubbles 
in a liquid, which I assume was water.


 The rates are very low and the method would not work if power 
output were at commercial levels, yet this work gets attention. In 
contrast, Stringham has caused cold fusion to occur at near 
commercial levels in metals by applying deuterium to the metal 
using cavitation, yet this work is ignored.

It is regrettable that the physics establishment ignores this 
research. OTOH, once commercially feasible amount of energy are 
produced, things will change.
Unfortunately, commercial amounts of energy are impossible using 
this technique.  The amount of energy generated by each bubble is 
just too small.
Interesting observation. I've heard about inducing reactions by sonic 
stimulation of water. You're saying that the energy output for a 
reactions induced by what ever stimulation he was using will never go 
over unity, since you've studied it and I haven't,  I'll take your 
word for it.

I've been reading about the Yuri Popatov's Yusmar machine, which 
AFAIK, produces LENR's in an aquas solution by means of a vortex. 
Heat is a big item with Russians, and electricity costs something 
there too. The fact that he has lots of orders for the machines, 
should tell you something.


We are not being treated to dreams, but to nightmares.

Ever the pessimist
Guilty. In my defense, some times are more consistent with pessimism 
than others. This happens to be one of those times.

Regards,
Ed
I know what you mean.


Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-20 Thread Edmund Storms

thomas malloy wrote:
Ed Storms responded'
Once again, we are being treated to one more example of exaggeration 
and BS.  The Taleyarkhan cavitation work is hot fusion occurring in 
bubbles, not cold fusion.

I don't understand how hot fusion in bubbles differs from what the other 
LERN researchers are doing,
LENR describes nuclear reactions made to occur under conditions that 
conflict with all conventional experience and theory, while hot fusion 
in bubbles is normal high-energy fusion.

 The rates are very low and the method would not work if power output 
were at commercial levels, yet this work gets attention. In contrast, 
Stringham has caused cold fusion to occur at near commercial levels in 
metals by applying deuterium to the metal using cavitation, yet this 
work is ignored.

It is regrettable that the physics establishment ignores this research. 
OTOH, once commercially feasible amount of energy are produced, things 
will change.
Unfortunately, commercial amounts of energy are impossible using this 
technique.  The amount of energy generated by each bubble is just too 
small.

We are not being treated to dreams, but to nightmares.

Ever the pessimist
Guilty. In my defense, some times are more consistent with pessimism 
than others. This happens to be one of those times.

Regards,
Ed




Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-20 Thread Steven Krivit
Thomas,
I don't understand how hot fusion in bubbles differs from what the other 
LERN researchers are doing,
I've written about this in detail in my book, and also in part, in two 
articles in the New Energy Times newsletter #8
http://newenergytimes.com/news/8.htm . Search on "bubble" and "sonofusion."

Steve 



Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-20 Thread thomas malloy
Ed Storms responded'
Once again, we are being treated to one more example of exaggeration 
and BS.  The Taleyarkhan cavitation work is hot fusion occurring in 
bubbles, not cold fusion.
I don't understand how hot fusion in bubbles differs from what the 
other LERN researchers are doing,

 The rates are very low and the method would not work if power 
output were at commercial levels, yet this work gets attention. In 
contrast, Stringham has caused cold fusion to occur at near 
commercial levels in metals by applying deuterium to the metal using 
cavitation, yet this work is ignored.
It is regrettable that the physics establishment ignores this 
research. OTOH, once commercially feasible amount of energy are 
produced, things will change.

We are not being treated to dreams, but to nightmares.
Ever the pessimist


Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Huffman"

> Actually, I think that I am confusing Taleyarkhan with an
earlier researcher   with a similar name.  I did a quick
Google, and came up with a paper at:

>
http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/hottopics/bubble/1067589.pdf


Hey, along similar more recent lines and threads  there
is an interesting finding, at the end of this paper,

"Tritium activity increases only in chilled ( 0°C) cavitated
C3D6O, coupled with evidence for neutron emissions in
chilled cavitated
C3D6O..."

Hmmm... tritium activity increasing in chilled acetone near
the freeaing point of D2O.  What could that mean? Was D2O
present at all?

It appears that acetone melts at ?94.8°C so this is not
likely to involve the same "brittle mechanical failure"
mechanism of explosive ice, or is it? At any rate, when
hydrogen (or deuterium) bonds fail catastrophically in an
explosive failure, atoms do get accelerated to keV energies,
thus the x-rays seen in exploding-ice. One can interpret the
implications of the Fateev experiments, cited earlier,  in
many ways to suit their personal agenda, but one cannot deny
that  x-rays do result from this mechanical failure. Indeed
Bridgman showed the same thing with may types of brittle
failure.

The Fusor of Miley Hull etc. has demonstrated rather
conclusively that head-on D fusion of the "warm" ICF variety
requires a minimum of 10 keV per particle. Unlike Ed, I do
not agree that this is necessarily the same as hot plasma
fusion, even though the fusion products may be the same.
There could just be an under-appreciated resonance at 10-25
keV range. BTW the rock-solid Fusor results of R. Hull seem
to show that there is no net advantage, perhaps a nerative
return of energy, of going much beyond 25 keV per particle
in energy in the Fusor, so this is not "exactly" the same as
hot fusion, even though the ash is the same, confusion of
no.

Is it possible that "bubble fusion" is not about bubble
*collapse,* necessarily but about the pulling apart of
hydrogen bonds in bubble *formation* at the point where the
bonds normally would start to stiffen, due to decreasing
temperature? IOW when a deuterium bond is at zero-C at
ambient pressure, and that pressure is suddenly removed,
prior to cavitation in the formation of the bubble; then the
"effective temperature" drops signicantly for those bonds.
The bonds will tend to realign to the new angle (the angle
they assume in the solid, which is different than the
bond-angle of the liquid), and the Casimir force will wrench
some small proportion of bare deuterons away in a brittle
mechanical failure.

What happens next is anybody's guess.

Of course, wouldn't it be delightful, for other reasons, to
learn that there was some heavy water in the acetone. Some
fringe observers might then claim that D2O is the active
medium... but even if not... Wonder what happens when you
get the acetone temperature down closer to the f.p.?

They aren't telling, for whatever reason, but the thought
surely crossed their collective minds during the experiment,
since they already found positive results going lower...
maybe Knuke knows what happens at lower temperatures, yet ?

Jones





Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Terry Blanton
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Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Edmund Storms
I think it's easier not to confuse cold fusion with hot fusion by 
introducing the Beta-ether concept.  We have enough trouble just talking 
about what is known without introducing what is unknown. Cold fusion 
describes nuclear reactions that take place in special atomic lattices 
without application of significant ambient energy, and result in helium 
when fusion occurs.  On the other hand, hot fusion occurs in a plasma or 
when significant energy is applied, is independent of the atomic 
environment, and produces neutrons and tritium in equal amounts.  The 
Taleyarkhan work produces a microplasma and detects neutrons. Based on 
the observed behavior, this is hot fusion, not cold fusion.  I might 
add, the reaction rates are over 12 orders of magnitude less than those 
observed by Stringham.  Even if the observations are real, they have a 
long way to go before the effect is useful.

Regards,
Ed
Grimer wrote:
At 10:44 am 17-02-05 -0700, you wrote:
Once again, we are being treated to one 
more example of exaggeration and >BS.  
The Taleyarkhan cavitation work is hot 
fusion occurring in bubbles,


or cold fusion occuring in Beta-aether
vacua cavities. 8^)
Grimer 





Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Michael Huffman
Gnorts again°!

Actually, I think that I am confusing Taleyarkhan with an earlier researcher 
with a similar name.  I did a quick Google, and came up with a paper at:

http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/hottopics/bubble/1067589.pdf

In the references, he credits just about everybody worth crediting.  Crum, 
Matula, Susslick, Gaitan, Barber, etc., etc..  I just did a quick read of the 
paper, but it looks pretty convincing, and the experiment itself looks to be 
easy enough to set up with enough money and equipment.  I hope the BBC 
doesn't snot the whole thing up so that it doesn't work on prime time.  The 
assasination of dreams is not a pretty thing to watch.

Knuke

Am Donnerstag, 17. Februar 2005 18:55 schrieb Michael Huffman:
> Moin Moin!
>
> I'm just glad (and a bit surprised, actually) to see Taleyarkhan's work
> being examined at all.  I read very vague references to his work when I
> first started researching cavitation in 1993, and that was in the form of
> some BBS messages or something.  It wasn't even on the internet.  In some
> references, he was referred to as being a professor, in others not.  There
> was no mention of his country of origin, and by his name, I figured that he
> was Russian.
>
> He was using cavitation to clean large aquarium tanks in the far East -
> Singapore, I believe, in the mid 70's.  Beyond that, there was never any
> mention of him, and I was digging for info on him for years.  His work just
> wasn't very widely published back then.  As I recall, he had only published
> two papers in some very obscure journals, and I never could find any copies
> of those.
>
> Of course, you are right that a large number of people have contributed to
> the science since Lord Reyleigh first proposed the cavitation bubble
> collapse hypothosis in the late 1800's, and Jed is also right about the
> black and white nature of the announcement of the BBC experiment, but that
> is purely showbizness.
>
> The fact remains though, that Taleyarkhan was doing useful work with
> cavitation twenty years before the likes of me, Tessien, or Putterman got
> into the act, and I am glad to see that he is still around.  By his foto,
> he doesn't look to be all that old, either.  It would be interesting to
> learn more about his career.
>
> Knuke
>
> > Even so, it was a big mistake, and typical mainstream
> > arrogance, that in all the publicity that Taleyarkhan
> > recieved (riding on the ORNL coat-tails) that he did not
> > credit nor even mention the extraordinary contributions to
> > the field of sonfusion from former vortex contributor Ross
> > Tessien, founder of Impulse Devices, and Dr. Gaitan the
> > chief scientist (nor did he mention Knuke either, but should
> > have !). Caveat: this criticism relates to the first ORNL
> > announcement and they may have issued an addenda, but if so,
> > it didn't make the news.
> >
> > Here is some new and surprising info from them (Tessien's
> > Co);
> > http://tinyurl.com/6f5me




Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Grimer
At 10:44 am 17-02-05 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
> Once again, we are being treated to one 
> more example of exaggeration and >BS.  
> The Taleyarkhan cavitation work is hot 
> fusion occurring in bubbles,



or cold fusion occuring in Beta-aether
vacua cavities. 8^)

Grimer 




Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Jones Beene
Given a moment to reflect on ALL of the
circumstances...DUH... one should always "follow the buck"
first and ask questions later.

> Even so, it was a big mistake, and typical mainstream
> arrogance, that in all the publicity that Taleyarkhan
> recieved (riding on the ORNL coat-tails) that he did not
> credit nor even mention the extraordinary contributions to
> the field of sonfusion from former vortex contributor Ross
> Tessien, founder of Impulse Devices, and Dr. Gaitan the
> chief scientist (nor did he mention Knuke either, but
should
> have !).

Should have mentioned Russ George also, as Ed suggests...
and...

I forgot to mention that since incorporation, IDI has
received over 20 patents and expects even more. "Our patent
attorneys are Townsend & Townsend in San Francisco, one of
the nation's best patent law firms," Tessien told one
writer.

Yup. They are probably THE best, not one of the best, and
that is also probably why they have either threatened
litigation or asked for a cease and desist order against
ORNL, and why ORNL, which has its own hefty staff of IP
professionals, does not, and will not, acknowledge the prior
art (until a court order, or some settlement, that is)
one cannot imagine that there is no possibility of
infringement here with this many patents floating around.

All this high level legal maneuvering and yet... Bob Park
thinks it is still pathological science, with no basis in
reality...

Follow the Buck, Bob...

Jones

BTW is it for certain that this show is a "put-down"? The
Beeb is usually rather circumspect about that kind of thing.




Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Steven Krivit

have !). Caveat: this criticism relates to the first ORNL
announcement and they may have issued an addenda, but if so,
it didn't make the news.
I am told that the second paper addressed the criticism from the first 
paper:
http://newenergytimes.com/news/8.htm#impulsedevices
s


Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Michael Huffman
Moin Moin!

I'm just glad (and a bit surprised, actually) to see Taleyarkhan's work being 
examined at all.  I read very vague references to his work when I first 
started researching cavitation in 1993, and that was in the form of some BBS 
messages or something.  It wasn't even on the internet.  In some references, 
he was referred to as being a professor, in others not.  There was no mention 
of his country of origin, and by his name, I figured that he was Russian.

He was using cavitation to clean large aquarium tanks in the far East - 
Singapore, I believe, in the mid 70's.  Beyond that, there was never any 
mention of him, and I was digging for info on him for years.  His work just 
wasn't very widely published back then.  As I recall, he had only published 
two papers in some very obscure journals, and I never could find any copies 
of those.

Of course, you are right that a large number of people have contributed to the 
science since Lord Reyleigh first proposed the cavitation bubble collapse 
hypothosis in the late 1800's, and Jed is also right about the black and 
white nature of the announcement of the BBC experiment, but that is purely 
showbizness.

The fact remains though, that Taleyarkhan was doing useful work with 
cavitation twenty years before the likes of me, Tessien, or Putterman got 
into the act, and I am glad to see that he is still around.  By his foto, he 
doesn't look to be all that old, either.  It would be interesting to learn 
more about his career.

Knuke
> Even so, it was a big mistake, and typical mainstream
> arrogance, that in all the publicity that Taleyarkhan
> recieved (riding on the ORNL coat-tails) that he did not
> credit nor even mention the extraordinary contributions to
> the field of sonfusion from former vortex contributor Ross
> Tessien, founder of Impulse Devices, and Dr. Gaitan the
> chief scientist (nor did he mention Knuke either, but should
> have !). Caveat: this criticism relates to the first ORNL
> announcement and they may have issued an addenda, but if so,
> it didn't make the news.
>
> Here is some new and surprising info from them (Tessien's
> Co);
> http://tinyurl.com/6f5me



Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Harry Veeder


Whorizon

Harry 




Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Edmund Storms

Once again, we are being treated to one more example of exaggeration and 
BS.  The Taleyarkhan cavitation work is hot fusion occurring in bubbles, 
not cold fusion.  The rates are very low and the method would not work 
if power output were at commercial levels, yet this work gets attention. 
In contrast, Stringham has caused cold fusion to occur at near 
commercial levels in metals by applying deuterium to the metal using 
cavitation, yet this work is ignored.  We are not being treated to 
dreams, but to nightmares.

Ed
Keith Nagel wrote:
Hey Jed + Knuke,
If the dream dies, can the reality of LENR finally come out? I for one am 
getting kind
of sick of the dreaming
K.
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:05 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
Michael Huffman wrote:
Gnorts,
Taleyarkhan has been doing cavitation experiments for over thirty years, Jed.
And the BBC has been doing them for -- what? -- six weeks? And yet they claim:
"If the experiment works, then the world could be on the way to a new form of 
cheap, unlimited, pollution free energy. But if it
fails, then that dream will die."
The DREAM WILL DIE, folks!!! All of you in viewing audience: please, clap your 
hands! Keep Tinker-bell alive!
- Jed




Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Grimer
At 10:47 am 17-02-05 -0500, you wrote:
>[It is absurd that these people think a claim can be disproved with a 
>single experiment! And if they do not really believe that, they should not 
>say it, because people viewing the television will believe them. - JR]
>
>Horizon
>Thu 17 Feb, 9:00 pm - 9:50 pm  50mins (BBC2)
>
>An Experiment to Save the World


It would be interesting to know the agenda of 
the people who thought that one up.   8-(

Still, it may be a sign someone's getting
worried this Cold Fusion malarkey could
be for real, eh, and they want to abort
it.  8-)

But, as the modern proverb goes, 
NO PUBLICITY IS BAD PUBLICITY.


Grimer



RE: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Keith Nagel
Hey Jed + Knuke,

If the dream dies, can the reality of LENR finally come out? I for one am 
getting kind
of sick of the dreaming

K.


-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:05 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan


Michael Huffman wrote:


Gnorts,
Taleyarkhan has been doing cavitation experiments for over thirty years, Jed.

And the BBC has been doing them for -- what? -- six weeks? And yet they claim:

"If the experiment works, then the world could be on the way to a new form of 
cheap, unlimited, pollution free energy. But if it
fails, then that dream will die."

The DREAM WILL DIE, folks!!! All of you in viewing audience: please, clap your 
hands! Keep Tinker-bell alive!

- Jed



Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Jones Beene
Ahoy Knuke,

> Taleyarkhan has been doing cavitation experiments for over
thirty years,

Even so, it was a big mistake, and typical mainstream
arrogance, that in all the publicity that Taleyarkhan
recieved (riding on the ORNL coat-tails) that he did not
credit nor even mention the extraordinary contributions to
the field of sonfusion from former vortex contributor Ross
Tessien, founder of Impulse Devices, and Dr. Gaitan the
chief scientist (nor did he mention Knuke either, but should
have !). Caveat: this criticism relates to the first ORNL
announcement and they may have issued an addenda, but if so,
it didn't make the news.

Here is some new and surprising info from them (Tessien's
Co);
http://tinyurl.com/6f5me

Grass Valley CA (SPX) Dec 14, 2004
"Impulse Devices, a developer of sonofusion power (acoustic
inertial confinement fusion, AICF), announced Monday the
availability of its research reactor to laboratories,
universities, power equipment manufacturers and utilities
attempting to produce a new alternative energy."

Jones

They are selling the reactor, which should accelerate R&D
but the actual device is a far cry from the Nova reactor
pictured in the article.




Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell


Michael Huffman wrote:
Gnorts,
Taleyarkhan has been doing cavitation experiments for over thirty years,
Jed.
And the BBC has been doing them for -- what? -- six weeks? And yet they
claim:
"If the experiment works, then the world could be on
the way to a new form of cheap, unlimited, pollution free energy. But if
it fails, then that dream will die."
The DREAM WILL DIE, folks!!! All of you in viewing audience: please, clap
your hands! Keep Tinker-bell alive!
- Jed




Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Michael Huffman
Gnorts,
Taleyarkhan has been doing cavitation experiments for over thirty years, Jed.
Knuke
Am Donnerstag, 17. Februar 2005 16:47 schrieb Jed Rothwell:
> [It is absurd that these people think a claim can be disproved with a
> single experiment! And if they do not really believe that, they should not
> say it, because people viewing the television will believe them. - JR]
>
> Horizon
> Thu 17 Feb, 9:00 pm - 9:50 pm  50mins (BBC2)
>
> An Experiment to Save the World
>
> Horizon takes one of the most controversial and ambitious claims in
> science, and conducts an experiment to see if it's really true. If the
> experiment works, then the world could be on the way to a new form of
> cheap, unlimited, pollution free energy. But if it fails, then that dream
> will die. The experiment is an attempt to make nuclear fusion, one of the
> Holy Grails of science.
>
> Nuclear fusion is the process that powers the sun, and scientists know that
> if they could just make fusion happen here on Earth, they could solve all
> the world's energy problems. Billions of pounds have been spent, but so far
> nuclear fusion has failed to deliver.
>
> Now an American scientist claims to have created nuclear fusion simply by
> bombarding a flask of liquid with sound waves. His work has been published
> in Science Magazine, one of the most prestigious journals in the world. But
> many scientists refuse to believe his claims.
>
> Horizon attempts to sort the matter out once and for all; we've
> commissioned a team of world class scientists to try and replicate Rusi
> Taleyarkhan's experiment. This film reveals the result of that experiment.
> [With audio description]
>
> Subtitles   Stereo  Widescreen
>
> Website:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/horizon/



BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan

2005-02-17 Thread Jed Rothwell


[It is absurd that these people think a claim can be
disproved with a single experiment! And if they do not really believe
that, they should not say it, because people viewing the television will
believe them. - JR]
Horizon
Thu 17 Feb, 9:00 pm - 9:50 pm  50mins (BBC2)
An Experiment to Save the World
Horizon takes one of the most controversial and ambitious claims in
science, and conducts an experiment to see if it's really true. If the
experiment works, then the world could be on the way to a new form of
cheap, unlimited, pollution free energy. But if it fails, then that dream
will die. The experiment is an attempt to make nuclear fusion, one of the
Holy Grails of science.
Nuclear fusion is the process that powers the sun, and scientists know
that if they could just make fusion happen here on Earth, they could
solve all the world's energy problems. Billions of pounds have been
spent, but so far nuclear fusion has failed to deliver.
Now an American scientist claims to have created nuclear fusion simply by
bombarding a flask of liquid with sound waves. His work has been
published in Science Magazine, one of the most prestigious journals in
the world. But many scientists refuse to believe his claims.
Horizon attempts to sort the matter out once and for all; we've
commissioned a team of world class scientists to try and replicate Rusi
Taleyarkhan's experiment. This film reveals the result of that
experiment. [With audio description]
Subtitles   Stereo  Widescreen
Website: 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/horizon/