Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again
The situation now is different in that our openness creates problems that can damage the success of this project. That's BS. It's the lack of openness which has caused them problems. Reminds me of a certain political administration. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again
From DGT: The situation now is different in that our openness creates problems that can damage the success of this project. ... Some may agree, and some may disagree with DGT's stated reasons for closing their forum. Personally, I'm surprised that DGT actually had a controversial forum of this nature up and running for as long as they had. Managing a forum of this nature struck me as an incredibly risky venture, a task that in the end becomes nearly impossible to control insofar as trying to maintain good PR is concerned. If I had been the CEO I wouldn't have authorized a forum of this nature, even though I know full well that it would have disappointed many, including myself. ...especially myself. I ask myself: Would Apple have allowed a controversial forum of this nature, a form that would have allowed Joe Public and all of his in-laws to argue incessantly over the so called merits (or the lack) of developing an iPhone iPad, particularly while the project was still under development? Granted, maybe Rossi DGT will turn out to be a scam operation, just as all the skeptics have been harping all along. I sincerely doubt it, but I must admit the fact that it is still a remote possibility. The way I see it, the fact that DGT decided to close their forum is no grounds, in my book, for suddenly feeling overly concerned. If anything, it suggests to me that DGT realizes they need to focus all their energies on the tasks-at-hand. It seems like every time there is another bump in the road certain skeptics point to the event as further proof that it's proof of scam operation. It can also cause certain believers fret and worry - endlessly. Why should DGT feel obligated to piss on the latest bonfire created by another rabid skeptic, or for that matter continue to assure hand wringing believers? Well... they don't! Chill out! Go get some authentic Greek Worry Beads! http://www.greekinternetmarket.com/worrybeads.php PS: I noticed that DGT continues to speak of Rossi in a reasonably respectful manner. Good business PR on their part. A mark of professionalism. My two cents. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:37 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I'm surprised that DGT actually had a controversial forum of this nature up and running for as long as they had. The odd thing is: it's not closed yet. I just posted a message. WTF? T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again
Personally, I'm surprised that DGT actually had a controversial forum of this nature up and running for as long as they had. The odd thing is: it's not closed yet. I just posted a message. WTF? They must like you, Terry. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again
Von: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 22:37 Mittwoch, 29.Februar 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again Chill out! Go get some authentic Greek Worry Beads! My two cents. Reading the comments on their site for some time now, I must agree that most of the commenters there are detrimental to the goal. Childish, silly commenters, who cannot hold the water for a minute. This definitely is detrimental to their business, if there is one. I would be embarrassed too. So its a logical choice of self-respect and self-protection The 'free-energy-crowd' seems to me on the one side a deluded, childish lot on the one side, pathologically sceptic on the other side. Moderate, 'rational' sceptics and 'rational visionaries', so to say, are a rare minority. A pitiful situation.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again
Yes, I don't know why they had the forum in the first place. What are they expecting if they aren't willing to do an independent test? I didn't think the posts on the forum were that bad for any party. I didn't think the skepticism was unreasonable, but I did think running a forum was pretty much a waste of time. If all they are going to do is secret tests and delay another few months all the time, there is no use in following them any more. They may have a real device or they may not. They have no evidence at all at what they claim. I can say right now that I have a working cold fusion device in my garage, and it has been secretly tested by government officials, and I'd have the same credibility as they do. On Feb 29, 2012, at 3:37 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: From DGT: The situation now is different in that our openness creates problems that can damage the success of this project. ... Some may agree, and some may disagree with DGT's stated reasons for closing their forum. Personally, I'm surprised that DGT actually had a controversial forum of this nature up and running for as long as they had. Managing a forum of this nature struck me as an incredibly risky venture, a task that in the end becomes nearly impossible to control insofar as trying to maintain good PR is concerned. If I had been the CEO I wouldn't have authorized a forum of this nature, even though I know full well that it would have disappointed many, including myself. ...especially myself. I ask myself: Would Apple have allowed a controversial forum of this nature, a form that would have allowed Joe Public and all of his in-laws to argue incessantly over the so called merits (or the lack) of developing an iPhone iPad, particularly while the project was still under development? Granted, maybe Rossi DGT will turn out to be a scam operation, just as all the skeptics have been harping all along. I sincerely doubt it, but I must admit the fact that it is still a remote possibility. The way I see it, the fact that DGT decided to close their forum is no grounds, in my book, for suddenly feeling overly concerned. If anything, it suggests to me that DGT realizes they need to focus all their energies on the tasks-at-hand. It seems like every time there is another bump in the road certain skeptics point to the event as further proof that it's proof of scam operation. It can also cause certain believers fret and worry - endlessly. Why should DGT feel obligated to piss on the latest bonfire created by another rabid skeptic, or for that matter continue to assure hand wringing believers? Well... they don't! Chill out! Go get some authentic Greek Worry Beads! http://www.greekinternetmarket.com/worrybeads.php PS: I noticed that DGT continues to speak of Rossi in a reasonably respectful manner. Good business PR on their part. A mark of professionalism. My two cents. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again
Every single alternative energy forum suffers from the same problem. An infestation by the establishment trolls foaming at the mouth and conducting themselves in the manor of a religious cult in their denouncement of ANYTHING that strays from scientific dogma. They will not let up in pushing their agenda on everyone. It's has so many parallels with religious fanatacism, but try explaining that to them - they are blinkered. Even the biggest of believers do not push their belief systems onto people with such determination.I've seen it on the Steorn forum, the EEStor forum, and now Defkalion.This place also came close also until Hody and co were told their services were no longer needed. They were flushed down the plughole and disappeared in a VORTEX (pun intended). Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com Date: Thu, March 01, 2012 7:37 am To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From DGT: The situation now is different in that our openness creates problems that can damage the success of this project. ... Some may agree, and some may disagree with DGT's stated reasons for closing their forum. Personally, I'm surprised that DGT actually had a controversial forum of this nature up and running for as long as they had. Managing a forum of this nature struck me as an incredibly risky venture, a task that in the end becomes nearly impossible to control insofar as trying to maintain good PR is concerned. If I had been the CEO I wouldn't have authorized a forum of this nature, even though I know full well that it would have disappointed many, including myself. ...especially myself. I ask myself: Would Apple have allowed a controversial forum of this nature, a form that would have allowed Joe Public and all of his in-laws to argue incessantly over the so called merits (or the lack) of developing an iPhone iPad, particularly while the project was still under development? Granted, maybe Rossi DGT will turn out to be a scam operation, just as all the skeptics have been harping all along. I sincerely doubt it, but I must admit the fact that it is still a remote possibility. The way I see it, the fact that DGT decided to close their forum is no grounds, in my book, for suddenly feeling overly concerned. If anything, it suggests to me that DGT realizes they need to focus all their energies on the tasks-at-hand. It seems like every time there is another bump in the road certain skeptics point to the event as further proof that it's proof of scam operation. It can also cause certain believers fret and worry - endlessly. Why should DGT feel obligated to piss on the latest bonfire created by another rabid skeptic, or for that matter continue to assure hand wringing believers? Well... they don't! Chill out! Go get some authentic Greek Worry Beads! http://www.greekinternetmarket.com/worrybeads.php PS: I noticed that DGT continues to speak of Rossi in a reasonably respectful manner. Good business PR on their part. A mark of professionalism. My two cents. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again
Von: Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 0:37 Donnerstag, 1.März 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again They were flushed down the plughole and disappeared in a VORTEX (pun intended). So what do You want to say, exactly? That this is Popper's refuge of the unprovable? Just curious. BTW. Do You vote for Rick Santorum, the beacon of american -ahem- rationalism? Or where exactly is the hole You are hiding?
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again
The forum is more than a place to answer questions and make annoucements. If Defkalion listened carefully, the forum is telling them how to communicate more effectively with ALL their supporters, not just the adoring fans. The adoring fans and pathological skeptics always seem to roughly balance in numbers. However, they could raise an army of conditional supporters if they listened to them in earnest. harry On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote: Every single alternative energy forum suffers from the same problem. An infestation by the establishment trolls foaming at the mouth and conducting themselves in the manor of a religious cult in their denouncement of ANYTHING that strays from scientific dogma. They will not let up in pushing their agenda on everyone. It's has so many parallels with religious fanatacism, but try explaining that to them - they are blinkered. Even the biggest of believers do not push their belief systems onto people with such determination. I've seen it on the Steorn forum, the EEStor forum, and now Defkalion. This place also came close also until Hody and co were told their services were no longer needed. They were flushed down the plughole and disappeared in a VORTEX (pun intended).
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again
It seems that the straw that broke the camel's back was a poster eluding to Defkalion/Praxen being a possible front organization for laundering money out of Greece. There were two or three posters that were not just acting like spoilt children, but making accusations that would make any potential licensee extremely wary. The forum required moderation, and I really thought they would have learned that lesson the first time they shut it down. Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The forum is more than a place to answer questions and make annoucements. If Defkalion listened carefully, the forum is telling them how to communicate more effectively with ALL their supporters, not just the adoring fans. The adoring fans and pathological skeptics always seem to roughly balance in numbers. However, they could raise an army of conditional supporters if they listened to them in earnest. harry On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote: Every single alternative energy forum suffers from the same problem. An infestation by the establishment trolls foaming at the mouth and conducting themselves in the manor of a religious cult in their denouncement of ANYTHING that strays from scientific dogma. They will not let up in pushing their agenda on everyone. It's has so many parallels with religious fanatacism, but try explaining that to them - they are blinkered. Even the biggest of believers do not push their belief systems onto people with such determination. I've seen it on the Steorn forum, the EEStor forum, and now Defkalion. This place also came close also until Hody and co were told their services were no longer needed. They were flushed down the plughole and disappeared in a VORTEX (pun intended).
