RE: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
>From Jed: > I don't mind Krivit. I guess I would if he attacked me the way he attacks McKubre. I see that M. Krivit concludes his NET report with the following statements: From: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Inve stigation-Index.shtml > Rossi had found natural allies among a group of scientists who had > been fighting a losing battle for two decades to get the world to > believe in their idea of "cold fusion." One of the more prominent > of these scientists had even played around with data in order to > give the appearance that "cold fusion" was real. (Michael McKubre's > "M4" Experiment) Rossi also spent time building a fan base through > his blog. Most of these Energy Catalyzer fans are good people who > simply want to see a better world, a world fueled by clean energy. > Unfortunately, they invested tremendous hope in Rossi without first > demanding credible scientific evidence. > > However, legitimate researchers are working in the field of > low-energy nuclear reaction research. > > Steven B. Krivit > Publisher and Senior Editor, New Energy Times > October 11, 2012 This strikes me as a telling conclusion, particularly Krivit's belief that most of Rossi's "fans" have invested too much personal energy into believing in the authenticity of Rossi's eCats. No doubt there are many individuals who have done precisely that. On the other hand, it also seems obvious to me that Krivt has accumulated just as much of his own personal energy in believing in another reality: That McKubre's M4 experiments are incorrect. ...not only incorrect, but that McKubre had essentially falsified some of his own experimental data. It was, in fact, this very accusation, where Mr. Krivit went on a radio program and make such insinuations that eventually got me kicked off of Mr. Krivit's NET BoD. It was a great relief for me to be asked to resign. I no longer wanted to be associated with NET in any way. >From my perspective Mr. Krivit seems to have built his own unique world filled with his own unique facts and figures. Let the chips fall where they may. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
Jed sez: ... > In Japan people are also biased against regional and rural dialects, > which are rapidly disappearing. This may impact my retirement plans > for when I am 90, blind and wheelchair bound. I hope to spend my > remaining days ensconced in the back room of some seedy bar or house > of prostitution in Kyoto where I can listen to the way the women talk. It > doesn't matter what they say: I just can't get enough of that rising > intonation, the negative (-hen) and those copulas. Hubba hubba! > > My wife is from Yamaguchi, which is quite different from Kyoto. It > is similar to Appalachian English, with words hundreds of years out > of date, like the English "yonder." Sounds like a well planned retirement strategy, Jed. Just don't let your wife catch you listening in. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > It's possible I'm being harder on Krivit than necessary.Nevertheless, > his handling or Rossi's broken English was the straw that really broke > the back for me. > That was tacky. Also, strangely old-fashioned. People used to do that in popular culture and movies in the 1930s. I think people more often assumed that a foreign accent or an unusual native speaker accent is a sign of low education or low intelligence. Many people are still biased against Southern accents, and Appalachian dialects (so-called hillbilly accents). People go to classes to rid themselves of these dialects. It is a crying shame because they are among the oldest and most expressive forms of English. In Japan people are also biased against regional and rural dialects, which are rapidly disappearing. This may impact my retirement plans for when I am 90, blind and wheelchair bound. I hope to spend my remaining days ensconced in the back room of some seedy bar or house of prostitution in Kyoto where I can listen to the way the women talk. It doesn't matter what they say: I just can't get enough of that rising intonation, the negative (-hen) and those copulas. Hubba hubba! My wife is from Yamaguchi, which is quite different from Kyoto. It is similar to Appalachian English, with words hundreds of years out of date, like the English "yonder." - Jed
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
Jed sez: >> Krivit has felt this way with other individuals, including one >> particularly vocal Vort member who begged to differ with the >> investigative reporter's extensive analysis of McKubre's M4 data. > > Who? Me? Krivit is silly about this. McKubre is pretty upset with him > though. Nope! Not you Jed! Guess again. ;-) > I was once kvetching to Mizuno about how the researchers in this field > are a bunch of stubborn, self-centered stick-in-the-muds. He said, > "yeah, we are, but if we weren't we would have quit long ago." Probably true. It's possible I'm being harder on Krivit than necessary.Nevertheless, his handling or Rossi's broken English was the straw that really broke the back for me. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Krivit has felt this way with other individuals, including > one particularly vocal Vort member who begged to differ with > the investigative reporter's extensive analysis of McKubre's M4 data. Who? Me? Krivit is silly about this. McKubre is pretty upset with him though. > In Krivit's mind, Rossi has become a personification of everything > that is bad about the Alternative Energy world. Captain Ahab is hunting > his whale. > Good analogy. I have to agree that Rossi does personify many of the problems in this field. The "own worse enemy" syndrome in particular. > I think it's pretty obvious to most that there is little respect > & affection between Rossi and Krivit. I don't mind Krivit. I guess I would if he attacked me the way he attacks McKubre. I think he is being very silly when he pontificates about theory and promotes the W-L theory. I admire his chutzpah when he gets his views into the New York Times and the ANS, but I also cringe. As I wrote here: "This would be like me singing at the Metropolitan Opera even though I am tone deaf and unable to read music." The way I see it, Krivit is annoying, but you have to annoying to survive in this field. As I have related before -- I was once kvetching to Mizuno about how the researchers in this field are a bunch of stubborn, self-centered stick-in-the-muds. He said, "yeah, we are, but if we weren't we would have quit long ago." Touche. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
Based on my own past associations with Mr. Krivt, he really likes to bring it on. I think Krivit envisions himself as one of those scrappy investigators that likes to stick it to his targets - like a festering thorn. This tactic often seemed to have worked in past investigations. However, it remains to be seen if it will produce the desired results against Rossi. I suspect Rossi is a lot more resilient than SK is capable of comprehending. It seems to me that constantly bringing up Rossi's past "white collar" convictions suggests (at least to me) that Mr. Krivit may not really have all that much hard evidence in which to convict Rossi with. I was also struck by something Mr. Rothwell recently brought up: > Perhaps Krivit feels the original [white collar conviction] > sentence was just and should not have been overturned. It seems to me that Mr. Krivit continues to bring up Rossi's past convictions for no other reason than it suits him to perceive Mr. Rossi as a nothing more than unsavory criminal. In a sense Rossi has become the personification of an evil character that Krivit needs to place on a pedestal - an effigy to constantly spit at. I suspect Krivit has felt this way with other individuals, including one particularly vocal Vort member who begged to differ with the investigative reporter's extensive analysis of McKubre's M4 data. In Krivit's mind, Rossi has become a personification of everything that is bad about the Alternative Energy world. Captain Ahab is hunting his whale. I think it's pretty obvious to most that there is little respect & affection between Rossi and Krivit. As such,I have little faith in Krivit's ability to be objective when it comes to analyzing the complexities and contradictions that make up Andrea Rossi's persona. It's as if it's beyond Krivit's capacity. I recall a previous attempt on Krivit's part to make Rossi out as a befuddled thinker in front of his readership. He quoted Andrea's broken and halting English speech patterns verbatim in an attempt to insinuate that Rossi couldn't think very clearly. To have done so in such a manner is something no professional reporter in his right mind would think of doing. But that didn't stop Mr. Krivit, whom I presume perceives himself as a professional investigative reporter. Perhaps Mr. Krivit might complain that I'm bringing up something a little unsavory from the reporter's own past reporting style that perhaps he is no longer happy about. Perhaps he even wishes it would remain buried. If so, what compassion and understanding has Mr. Krivit shown towards Rossi, of Rossi's alleged past - which incidentally in the eyes of the law Rossi was exonerated of? With that said, I can understand why Mr. Krivit remains highly suspicious of Mr. Rossi. The blatant truth of the matter is that this flamboyant Italian does not help his own case. As I understand it, Rossi's refuses to be up front with his own experimental data. It makes him out to be a charlatan in the eyes of many. Most have every right to remain suspicious of Mr. Rossi! To me, Rossi, comes across as a kind of carnival barker. We shall see what this curious Italian; a flamboyant character of history will offer up next. A "cat" on a hot nickel roof would be nice, or perhaps a cup of hot tea. But who really knows. Never a dull moment. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
I wrote: > This is a serious distortion. It should say that he was convicted of a > white-collar crime but later fully exonerated by the courts. > Whatever you think of Rossi, the legal facts are clear: he was fully exonerated. Not pardoned; exonerated. Meaning that in the eyes of the law he was never guilty in the first place. It was a miscarriage of justice. Perhaps Krivit feels the original sentence was just and should not have been overturned. However, legal decisions are absolute. They are binary, and not disputable. A person is either guilty or innocent in the eyes of the law. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
If I remember correctly, Steve Krivit has stated he will ignore Rossi. Anyway Rossi was not convicted for the E-Cat, just for promising to make fuel from trash. Peter On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > His 1st statement is also the only description of Rossi in the text. He > writes: > > " Andrea Rossi is a convicted white-collar criminal with a string of > failed energy ventures." > > > > 2012/10/15 Jeff Berkowitz > >> Mr. Krivit (New Energy Times) has also updated his critical comments >> about Mr. Rossi, and the result is not paywalled. >> >> FYI. >> >> >> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Investigation-Index.shtml >> >> Jeff >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: >> >>> How is it possible that anyone can be simply kind to Rossi if he always >>> shoots his foot? >>> >>> >>> 2012/10/15 Ron Kita >>> Greetings Vortex, I just received an e-mail from a friend saying Popular Science November issue was not kind to Rossi, But I have not seen it yet. Any Vortex members have seen it? I will be going out to see it. Is Popular Science relevant? Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex..will update Popsci shortly after viewing it. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Daniel Rocha - RJ >>> danieldi...@gmail.com >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Daniel Rocha - RJ > danieldi...@gmail.com > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
Krivit wrote: "Andrea Rossi is a convicted white-collar criminal with a string of failed energy ventures." This is a serious distortion. It should say that he was convicted of a white-collar crime but later fully exonerated by the courts. I do not know about the other failed energy ventures. I guess this means the thermoelectric venture. Getting back to the subject of this thread, has anyone see the November Popular Science? They don't have magazines in drugstores anymore, and there are practically no bookstores left in Atlanta. Amazon.com has done them in. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
His 1st statement is also the only description of Rossi in the text. He writes: " Andrea Rossi is a convicted white-collar criminal with a string of failed energy ventures." 2012/10/15 Jeff Berkowitz > Mr. Krivit (New Energy Times) has also updated his critical comments about > Mr. Rossi, and the result is not paywalled. > > FYI. > > > http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Investigation-Index.shtml > > Jeff > > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > >> How is it possible that anyone can be simply kind to Rossi if he always >> shoots his foot? >> >> >> 2012/10/15 Ron Kita >> >>> Greetings Vortex, >>> >>> I just received an e-mail from a friend saying Popular Science November >>> issue was not kind to Rossi, >>> But I have not seen it yet. >>> >>> Any Vortex members have seen it? >>> >>> I will be going out to see it. >>> >>> Is Popular Science relevant? >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> Ron Kita, Chiralex..will update Popsci shortly after viewing it. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Daniel Rocha - RJ >> danieldi...@gmail.com >> >> > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
Mr. Krivit (New Energy Times) has also updated his critical comments about Mr. Rossi, and the result is not paywalled. FYI. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Investigation-Index.shtml Jeff On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > How is it possible that anyone can be simply kind to Rossi if he always > shoots his foot? > > > 2012/10/15 Ron Kita > >> Greetings Vortex, >> >> I just received an e-mail from a friend saying Popular Science November >> issue was not kind to Rossi, >> But I have not seen it yet. >> >> Any Vortex members have seen it? >> >> I will be going out to see it. >> >> Is Popular Science relevant? >> >> Respectfully, >> Ron Kita, Chiralex..will update Popsci shortly after viewing it. >> > > > > -- > Daniel Rocha - RJ > danieldi...@gmail.com > >
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
How is it possible that anyone can be simply kind to Rossi if he always shoots his foot? 2012/10/15 Ron Kita > Greetings Vortex, > > I just received an e-mail from a friend saying Popular Science November > issue was not kind to Rossi, > But I have not seen it yet. > > Any Vortex members have seen it? > > I will be going out to see it. > > Is Popular Science relevant? > > Respectfully, > Ron Kita, Chiralex..will update Popsci shortly after viewing it. > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
