Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread fznidarsic
I thought of that.  Some bottles are wet inside.  Water has a very high 
dielectric constant.  
Such a device would be a moisture detector.

What about different dielectric values different for the plastic? (or more 
in-depth analysis dielectric hysteresis)


Maybe different electro-positivety/negativity?  Sound





-Original Message-
From: John Berry 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 5:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


What about different dielectric values different for the plastic? (or more 
in-depth analysis dielectric hysteresis)


Maybe different electro-positivety/negativity?  Sounds like a long shot in a 
practical sense.


Could the spectra that gets through show a different pattern?


Yes #5 shows colors.


What about a UV fluorescence?


I tried that nothing.  Near UV goes through all of the plastics.


What about thermal insulative properties, if some change faster after a 
temperature drop an IR camera will pick it yp.


I am there.  #1 is opaque to terahertz radiation.  #2 is transparent.  Look at 
the front of a motion detector light.  The plastic is #2.


I am not doing anything right now.  I'm not feeling good at all.  Pains all 
over and ringing ears.


John






On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Bob Cook  wrote:


Yes I think Peter said something about the first week in February
 
Bob

  
- Original Message - 
  
From:   ChemE Stewart   
  
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  

Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 2:13 PM
  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector   find
  


  
Yes, I thought of Jones as well grounded and has a very good   understanding of 
the potential quantum theory behind the animal, keeps Axil   grounded and knows 
most of the history. Axil adds some contemporary flare and   pinache and flips 
through cutting edge research papers like hotcakes.  


  
I am trying to connect the quantum dots with the astrophysical dudes to   see 
if our flintsones model of the universe is dead & I think it is just   about 
there.
  


  
Has anybody heard from Peter? he is awfully quiet...
  


  
Stewart
  


  
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Bob Cook  wrote:
  


Stewart--

 

I think Jones has that first slot already taken. (:>)

 

 

Bob



 

  
- Original Message - 
  
From: ChemE Stewart 
  
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com   
  
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:47   AM
  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector   find
  


  
I'm not sure if I want to write a million books or sell a   million 
books... Anyway I am having fun piecing all the parts together,   right or 
wrong and scaling it up to "cosmic scales" and   developing/refining a 
theory. Sort of a bottom up approach.   I find   that posting a short one 
or two page post to a blog every couple of days   is much easier than 
thinking about writing a formal book.  I have a   young editor following 
behind me and assembling the research/postings into   a few annotated 
books.   


  
I think you could be the next "Tom Clancy" of cold fusion...you have   a 
great skill of piecing together research papers, forming a theory and   
throwing in a little mystery and government intrigue.   


  
All good stuff.
  


  
Stewart
  


  



  


  
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
  

Maybe you can become the new Isaac Asimov, He was a chemist who wrote a 
million books about everything with lots of references.  






On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart  
wrote:

  
I grabbed an illustration off the Chandra telescope site.   


  
http://chandra.harvard.edu/
  


  
I figured my tax dollars helped pay for it.  Amazon makes   you use the 
words "annotated" or "illustrated" in your book name if   you are using 
information within the public domain.  I have lots   of snippets, links 
and references.  It is sort of a cobbled   together "theory of 
everything" from an engineer with ADD.
  


  
I am putting a book out this week on Doppler Radars and their   
negative effect on biology based upon my research, but I can't decide   
between Dopplerpocalypse, DopplerGeddon, Dopplerganger or Dopzilla.
What do you think?
  


  
Stewart
  
  


  


On Saturday, March 1, 2014,  wrote:
  
That's a nice cover.  How did you make it? 








Frank



-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart 
To: vortex-l     
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find



http:/

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread John Berry
What about different dielectric values different for the plastic? (or more
in-depth analysis dielectric hysteresis)

Maybe different electro-positivety/negativity?  Sounds like a long shot in
a practical sense.

Could the spectra that gets through show a different pattern?

What about a UV fluorescence?

What about thermal insulative properties, if some change faster after a
temperature drop an IR camera will pick it yp.

John



On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Bob Cook  wrote:

>  Yes I think Peter said something about the first week in February
>
> Bob
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* ChemE Stewart 
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 03, 2014 2:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
>
> Yes, I thought of Jones as well grounded and has a very good understanding
> of the potential quantum theory behind the animal, keeps Axil grounded and
> knows most of the history. Axil adds some contemporary flare and pinache
> and flips through cutting edge research papers like hotcakes.
>
> I am trying to connect the quantum dots with the astrophysical dudes to
> see if our flintsones model of the universe is dead & I think it is just
> about there.
>
> Has anybody heard from Peter? he is awfully quiet...
>
> Stewart
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Bob Cook  wrote:
>
>>  Stewart--
>>
>> I think Jones has that first slot already taken. (:>)
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -
>> *From:* ChemE Stewart 
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 03, 2014 10:47 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
>>
>> I'm not sure if I want to write a million books or sell a million
>> books... Anyway I am having fun piecing all the parts together, right or
>> wrong and scaling it up to "cosmic scales" and developing/refining a
>> theory. Sort of a bottom up approach.   I find that posting a short one or
>> two page post to a blog every couple of days is much easier than thinking
>> about writing a formal book.  I have a young editor following behind me and
>> assembling the research/postings into a few annotated books.
>>
>> I think you could be the next "Tom Clancy" of cold fusion...you have a
>> great skill of piecing together research papers, forming a theory and
>> throwing in a little mystery and government intrigue.
>>
>> All good stuff.
>>
>> Stewart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe you can become the new Isaac Asimov, He was a chemist who wrote a
>>> million books about everything with lots of references.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>>> I grabbed an illustration off the Chandra telescope site.
>>>>
>>>> http://chandra.harvard.edu/
>>>>
>>>> I figured my tax dollars helped pay for it.  Amazon makes you use the
>>>> words "annotated" or "illustrated" in your book name if you are using
>>>> information within the public domain.  I have lots of snippets, links and
>>>> references.  It is sort of a cobbled together "theory of everything" from
>>>> an engineer with ADD.
>>>>
>>>> I am putting a book out this week on Doppler Radars and their negative
>>>> effect on biology based upon my research, but I can't decide between
>>>> Dopplerpocalypse, DopplerGeddon, Dopplerganger or Dopzilla.  What do you
>>>> think?
>>>>
>>>> Stewart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, March 1, 2014,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's a nice cover.  How did you make it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: ChemE Stewart 
>>>>> To: vortex-l 
>>>>> Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390339797&sr=1-1
>>>>>
>>>>> It is basically the first 6 months of my blog (darkmattersalot.com)
>>>>> adapted to an Ebook.  It is a chemical engineer's hunt for dark/vacuum
>>>>> energy in our atmosphere using basic thermodynamics, string/M theory and
&g

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread Bob Cook
Yes I think Peter said something about the first week in February

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: ChemE Stewart 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 2:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


  Yes, I thought of Jones as well grounded and has a very good understanding of 
the potential quantum theory behind the animal, keeps Axil grounded and knows 
most of the history. Axil adds some contemporary flare and pinache and flips 
through cutting edge research papers like hotcakes.


  I am trying to connect the quantum dots with the astrophysical dudes to see 
if our flintsones model of the universe is dead & I think it is just about 
there.


  Has anybody heard from Peter? he is awfully quiet...


  Stewart



  On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Bob Cook  wrote:

Stewart--

I think Jones has that first slot already taken. (:>)


Bob

  - Original Message - 
  From: ChemE Stewart 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


  I'm not sure if I want to write a million books or sell a million 
books... Anyway I am having fun piecing all the parts together, right or wrong 
and scaling it up to "cosmic scales" and developing/refining a theory. Sort of 
a bottom up approach.   I find that posting a short one or two page post to a 
blog every couple of days is much easier than thinking about writing a formal 
book.  I have a young editor following behind me and assembling the 
research/postings into a few annotated books. 


  I think you could be the next "Tom Clancy" of cold fusion...you have a 
great skill of piecing together research papers, forming a theory and throwing 
in a little mystery and government intrigue. 


  All good stuff.


  Stewart








  On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

Maybe you can become the new Isaac Asimov, He was a chemist who wrote a 
million books about everything with lots of references.  



On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart  
wrote:

  I grabbed an illustration off the Chandra telescope site. 


  http://chandra.harvard.edu/


  I figured my tax dollars helped pay for it.  Amazon makes you use the 
words "annotated" or "illustrated" in your book name if you are using 
information within the public domain.  I have lots of snippets, links and 
references.  It is sort of a cobbled together "theory of everything" from an 
engineer with ADD.


  I am putting a book out this week on Doppler Radars and their 
negative effect on biology based upon my research, but I can't decide between 
Dopplerpocalypse, DopplerGeddon, Dopplerganger or Dopzilla.  What do you think?


  Stewart




  On Saturday, March 1, 2014,  wrote:

That's a nice cover.  How did you make it? 






Frank



-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart 
To: vortex-l 
        Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find



http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390339797&sr=1-1



It is basically the first 6 months of my blog (darkmattersalot.com) 
adapted to an Ebook.  It is a chemical engineer's hunt for dark/vacuum energy 
in our atmosphere using basic thermodynamics, string/M theory and the National 
Weather Service... I am modeling the Sun and Earth as two "branes" of 
vacuum(6-D torroids) with strings and particles of vacuum stringing and 
streaming between them in the solar wind  I started tracking low pressure 
systems off the equatorial jet and polar jets in 2012 and modeling them as if 
they were strings of vacuum, triggering hurricanes(entangled strings), 
waterspouts, sinkholes/seismic(ionizing/decay where strings are entering the 
Earth) and ionizing our atmosphere as they decay in our jet streams triggering 
electromagnetic effects.  These mesovortexes and supercells that break off the 
jet streams are basically "topological defects" of the "cosmic" strings of 
vacuum that break off and decay and trigger our storms, which is really the 
inflation phase of our quantum gravity field from the solar wind. 


I have two more books coming out, one will be the next 6 months of 
the blog. The other book is focused on Doppler Microwave radars, which I think, 
based upon 6 months of study, including statistics, are triggering an increase 
in vacuum upsets around the radars, including an increase in sinkholes, shallow 
seismic events, mesovortex events, hypoxia/algae blooms in waters (through 
ionization and oxidation).


If you take what Axil, Jones, Fran and others have been talking 
about at the atomic leve

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
Yes, I thought of Jones as well grounded and has a very good understanding
of the potential quantum theory behind the animal, keeps Axil grounded and
knows most of the history. Axil adds some contemporary flare and pinache
and flips through cutting edge research papers like hotcakes.

I am trying to connect the quantum dots with the astrophysical dudes to see
if our flintsones model of the universe is dead & I think it is just about
there.

Has anybody heard from Peter? he is awfully quiet...

Stewart


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Bob Cook  wrote:

>  Stewart--
>
> I think Jones has that first slot already taken. (:>)
>
>
> Bob
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* ChemE Stewart 
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 03, 2014 10:47 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
>
> I'm not sure if I want to write a million books or sell a million books...
> Anyway I am having fun piecing all the parts together, right or wrong and
> scaling it up to "cosmic scales" and developing/refining a theory. Sort of
> a bottom up approach.   I find that posting a short one or two page post to
> a blog every couple of days is much easier than thinking about writing a
> formal book.  I have a young editor following behind me and assembling the
> research/postings into a few annotated books.
>
> I think you could be the next "Tom Clancy" of cold fusion...you have a
> great skill of piecing together research papers, forming a theory and
> throwing in a little mystery and government intrigue.
>
> All good stuff.
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> Maybe you can become the new Isaac Asimov, He was a chemist who wrote a
>> million books about everything with lots of references.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>>
>>> I grabbed an illustration off the Chandra telescope site.
>>>
>>> http://chandra.harvard.edu/
>>>
>>> I figured my tax dollars helped pay for it.  Amazon makes you use the
>>> words "annotated" or "illustrated" in your book name if you are using
>>> information within the public domain.  I have lots of snippets, links and
>>> references.  It is sort of a cobbled together "theory of everything" from
>>> an engineer with ADD.
>>>
>>> I am putting a book out this week on Doppler Radars and their negative
>>> effect on biology based upon my research, but I can't decide between
>>> Dopplerpocalypse, DopplerGeddon, Dopplerganger or Dopzilla.  What do you
>>> think?
>>>
>>> Stewart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 1, 2014,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's a nice cover.  How did you make it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: ChemE Stewart 
>>>> To: vortex-l 
>>>> Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390339797&sr=1-1
>>>>
>>>> It is basically the first 6 months of my blog (darkmattersalot.com)
>>>> adapted to an Ebook.  It is a chemical engineer's hunt for dark/vacuum
>>>> energy in our atmosphere using basic thermodynamics, string/M theory and
>>>> the National Weather Service... I am modeling the Sun and Earth as two
>>>> "branes" of vacuum(6-D torroids) with strings and particles of vacuum
>>>> stringing and streaming between them in the solar wind  I started tracking
>>>> low pressure systems off the equatorial jet and polar jets in 2012 and
>>>> modeling them as if they were strings of vacuum, triggering
>>>> hurricanes(entangled strings), waterspouts,
>>>> sinkholes/seismic(ionizing/decay where strings are entering the Earth) and
>>>> ionizing our atmosphere as they decay in our jet streams triggering
>>>> electromagnetic effects.  These mesovortexes and supercells that break off
>>>> the jet streams are basically "topological defects" of the "cosmic" strings
>>>> of vacuum that break off and decay and trigger our storms, which is really
>>>> the inflation phase of our quantum gravity field from the solar wind.
>>>>
>>>> I have two more books coming out, one will be the next 6 months of 

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread Bob Cook
Stewart--

I think Jones has that first slot already taken. (:>)


Bob

  - Original Message - 
  From: ChemE Stewart 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


  I'm not sure if I want to write a million books or sell a million books... 
Anyway I am having fun piecing all the parts together, right or wrong and 
scaling it up to "cosmic scales" and developing/refining a theory. Sort of a 
bottom up approach.   I find that posting a short one or two page post to a 
blog every couple of days is much easier than thinking about writing a formal 
book.  I have a young editor following behind me and assembling the 
research/postings into a few annotated books.


  I think you could be the next "Tom Clancy" of cold fusion...you have a great 
skill of piecing together research papers, forming a theory and throwing in a 
little mystery and government intrigue.


  All good stuff.


  Stewart








  On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

Maybe you can become the new Isaac Asimov, He was a chemist who wrote a 
million books about everything with lots of references.  



On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

  I grabbed an illustration off the Chandra telescope site.


  http://chandra.harvard.edu/


  I figured my tax dollars helped pay for it.  Amazon makes you use the 
words "annotated" or "illustrated" in your book name if you are using 
information within the public domain.  I have lots of snippets, links and 
references.  It is sort of a cobbled together "theory of everything" from an 
engineer with ADD.


  I am putting a book out this week on Doppler Radars and their negative 
effect on biology based upon my research, but I can't decide between 
Dopplerpocalypse, DopplerGeddon, Dopplerganger or Dopzilla.  What do you think?


  Stewart




  On Saturday, March 1, 2014,  wrote:

That's a nice cover.  How did you make it? 






Frank



-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart 
To: vortex-l 
    Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find



http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390339797&sr=1-1



It is basically the first 6 months of my blog (darkmattersalot.com) 
adapted to an Ebook.  It is a chemical engineer's hunt for dark/vacuum energy 
in our atmosphere using basic thermodynamics, string/M theory and the National 
Weather Service... I am modeling the Sun and Earth as two "branes" of 
vacuum(6-D torroids) with strings and particles of vacuum stringing and 
streaming between them in the solar wind  I started tracking low pressure 
systems off the equatorial jet and polar jets in 2012 and modeling them as if 
they were strings of vacuum, triggering hurricanes(entangled strings), 
waterspouts, sinkholes/seismic(ionizing/decay where strings are entering the 
Earth) and ionizing our atmosphere as they decay in our jet streams triggering 
electromagnetic effects.  These mesovortexes and supercells that break off the 
jet streams are basically "topological defects" of the "cosmic" strings of 
vacuum that break off and decay and trigger our storms, which is really the 
inflation phase of our quantum gravity field from the solar wind. 


I have two more books coming out, one will be the next 6 months of the 
blog. The other book is focused on Doppler Microwave radars, which I think, 
based upon 6 months of study, including statistics, are triggering an increase 
in vacuum upsets around the radars, including an increase in sinkholes, shallow 
seismic events, mesovortex events, hypoxia/algae blooms in waters (through 
ionization and oxidation).


If you take what Axil, Jones, Fran and others have been talking about 
at the atomic level and scale the vacuum energy up to the "cosmic level", it 
sort of follows along.   I am working with two professional researchers now and 
feeding them my data around the towers to see if they get the same results with 
some other biological data. In 1956 Doppler radars were taken from the military 
and used for weather forecasting.  Although they do a lot of good, I think they 
are also damaging biology.


I have had a lot of fun developing a theory and piecing it all together 
in whatever direction it takes me. As I have looked closely at doppler radars, 
I have been recently looking at all of the cruise ship illnesses with 
norovirus.  I am looking at those large cruise ships and they have people 
partying on elevated decks directly beside and between multiple 20,000-30,000 
watt pulsed Doppler microwave radars inside the large radomes.  I think those 
radars may be triggering the illness outbreaks.  If you are going on a

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
I'm not sure if I want to write a million books or sell a million books...
Anyway I am having fun piecing all the parts together, right or wrong and
scaling it up to "cosmic scales" and developing/refining a theory. Sort of
a bottom up approach.   I find that posting a short one or two page post to
a blog every couple of days is much easier than thinking about writing a
formal book.  I have a young editor following behind me and assembling the
research/postings into a few annotated books.

I think you could be the next "Tom Clancy" of cold fusion...you have a
great skill of piecing together research papers, forming a theory and
throwing in a little mystery and government intrigue.

All good stuff.

Stewart




On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Maybe you can become the new Isaac Asimov, He was a chemist who wrote a
> million books about everything with lots of references.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
>> I grabbed an illustration off the Chandra telescope site.
>>
>> http://chandra.harvard.edu/
>>
>> I figured my tax dollars helped pay for it.  Amazon makes you use the
>> words "annotated" or "illustrated" in your book name if you are using
>> information within the public domain.  I have lots of snippets, links and
>> references.  It is sort of a cobbled together "theory of everything" from
>> an engineer with ADD.
>>
>> I am putting a book out this week on Doppler Radars and their negative
>> effect on biology based upon my research, but I can't decide between
>> Dopplerpocalypse, DopplerGeddon, Dopplerganger or Dopzilla.  What do you
>> think?
>>
>> Stewart
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 1, 2014,  wrote:
>>
>>> That's a nice cover.  How did you make it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ChemE Stewart 
>>> To: vortex-l 
>>> Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390339797&sr=1-1
>>>
>>>  It is basically the first 6 months of my blog (darkmattersalot.com)
>>> adapted to an Ebook.  It is a chemical engineer's hunt for dark/vacuum
>>> energy in our atmosphere using basic thermodynamics, string/M theory and
>>> the National Weather Service... I am modeling the Sun and Earth as two
>>> "branes" of vacuum(6-D torroids) with strings and particles of vacuum
>>> stringing and streaming between them in the solar wind  I started tracking
>>> low pressure systems off the equatorial jet and polar jets in 2012 and
>>> modeling them as if they were strings of vacuum, triggering
>>> hurricanes(entangled strings), waterspouts,
>>> sinkholes/seismic(ionizing/decay where strings are entering the Earth) and
>>> ionizing our atmosphere as they decay in our jet streams triggering
>>> electromagnetic effects.  These mesovortexes and supercells that break off
>>> the jet streams are basically "topological defects" of the "cosmic" strings
>>> of vacuum that break off and decay and trigger our storms, which is really
>>> the inflation phase of our quantum gravity field from the solar wind.
>>>
>>>  I have two more books coming out, one will be the next 6 months of the
>>> blog. The other book is focused on Doppler Microwave radars, which I think,
>>> based upon 6 months of study, including statistics, are triggering an
>>> increase in vacuum upsets around the radars, including an increase in
>>> sinkholes, shallow seismic events, mesovortex events, hypoxia/algae blooms
>>> in waters (through ionization and oxidation).
>>>
>>>  If you take what Axil, Jones, Fran and others have been talking about
>>> at the atomic level and scale the vacuum energy up to the "cosmic level",
>>> it sort of follows along.   I am working with two professional researchers
>>> now and feeding them my data around the towers to see if they get the same
>>> results with some other biological data. In 1956 Doppler radars were taken
>>> from the military and used for weather forecasting.  Although they do a lot
>>> of good, I think they are also damaging biology.
>>>
>>>  I have had a lot of fun developing a theory and piecing it all
>>> together in whatever direction it takes me. As I have looked closely at
>>&g

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread Axil Axil
Maybe you can become the new Isaac Asimov, He was a chemist who wrote a
million books about everything with lots of references.


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> I grabbed an illustration off the Chandra telescope site.
>
> http://chandra.harvard.edu/
>
> I figured my tax dollars helped pay for it.  Amazon makes you use the
> words "annotated" or "illustrated" in your book name if you are using
> information within the public domain.  I have lots of snippets, links and
> references.  It is sort of a cobbled together "theory of everything" from
> an engineer with ADD.
>
> I am putting a book out this week on Doppler Radars and their negative
> effect on biology based upon my research, but I can't decide between
> Dopplerpocalypse, DopplerGeddon, Dopplerganger or Dopzilla.  What do you
> think?
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 1, 2014,  wrote:
>
>> That's a nice cover.  How did you make it?
>>
>>
>>
>>  Frank
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ChemE Stewart 
>> To: vortex-l 
>> Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390339797&sr=1-1
>>
>>  It is basically the first 6 months of my blog (darkmattersalot.com)
>> adapted to an Ebook.  It is a chemical engineer's hunt for dark/vacuum
>> energy in our atmosphere using basic thermodynamics, string/M theory and
>> the National Weather Service... I am modeling the Sun and Earth as two
>> "branes" of vacuum(6-D torroids) with strings and particles of vacuum
>> stringing and streaming between them in the solar wind  I started tracking
>> low pressure systems off the equatorial jet and polar jets in 2012 and
>> modeling them as if they were strings of vacuum, triggering
>> hurricanes(entangled strings), waterspouts,
>> sinkholes/seismic(ionizing/decay where strings are entering the Earth) and
>> ionizing our atmosphere as they decay in our jet streams triggering
>> electromagnetic effects.  These mesovortexes and supercells that break off
>> the jet streams are basically "topological defects" of the "cosmic" strings
>> of vacuum that break off and decay and trigger our storms, which is really
>> the inflation phase of our quantum gravity field from the solar wind.
>>
>>  I have two more books coming out, one will be the next 6 months of the
>> blog. The other book is focused on Doppler Microwave radars, which I think,
>> based upon 6 months of study, including statistics, are triggering an
>> increase in vacuum upsets around the radars, including an increase in
>> sinkholes, shallow seismic events, mesovortex events, hypoxia/algae blooms
>> in waters (through ionization and oxidation).
>>
>>  If you take what Axil, Jones, Fran and others have been talking about
>> at the atomic level and scale the vacuum energy up to the "cosmic level",
>> it sort of follows along.   I am working with two professional researchers
>> now and feeding them my data around the towers to see if they get the same
>> results with some other biological data. In 1956 Doppler radars were taken
>> from the military and used for weather forecasting.  Although they do a lot
>> of good, I think they are also damaging biology.
>>
>>  I have had a lot of fun developing a theory and piecing it all together
>> in whatever direction it takes me. As I have looked closely at doppler
>> radars, I have been recently looking at all of the cruise ship illnesses
>> with norovirus.  I am looking at those large cruise ships and they have
>> people partying on elevated decks directly beside and between multiple
>> 20,000-30,000 watt pulsed Doppler microwave radars inside the large
>> radomes.  I think those radars may be triggering the illness outbreaks.  If
>> you are going on a cruise, I would advise not hanging out too close to
>> them.  My partner was a military pilot on an aircraft carrier and they
>> NEVER walked close to operating radars.
>>
>>
>> http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/02/26/does-this-seem-remotely-safe-to-anybody/
>>
>>  I have all sorts of scientific data I found from the 1990's on concerns
>> with Doppler radars causing cancer and related disease.  Norovirus is
>> basically strands of RNA, I think the microwave radars, along with the
>> increased vacuum, may be creating it FROM HUMANS.
>>
>>  You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a
>> good idea to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar
>> while drinking a Pina Colada??
>>
>>  Stewart
>> darkmattersalot.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:08 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> What book did you write?
>>
>>
>>  I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does
>> that count?
>>
>>  I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a
>> trash can.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
I grabbed an illustration off the Chandra telescope site.

http://chandra.harvard.edu/

I figured my tax dollars helped pay for it.  Amazon makes you use the words
"annotated" or "illustrated" in your book name if you are using information
within the public domain.  I have lots of snippets, links and references.
 It is sort of a cobbled together "theory of everything" from an engineer
with ADD.

I am putting a book out this week on Doppler Radars and their negative
effect on biology based upon my research, but I can't decide between
Dopplerpocalypse, DopplerGeddon, Dopplerganger or Dopzilla.  What do you
think?

Stewart



On Saturday, March 1, 2014,  wrote:

> That's a nice cover.  How did you make it?
>
>
>
>  Frank
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ChemE Stewart 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390339797&sr=1-1
>
>  It is basically the first 6 months of my blog (darkmattersalot.com)
> adapted to an Ebook.  It is a chemical engineer's hunt for dark/vacuum
> energy in our atmosphere using basic thermodynamics, string/M theory and
> the National Weather Service... I am modeling the Sun and Earth as two
> "branes" of vacuum(6-D torroids) with strings and particles of vacuum
> stringing and streaming between them in the solar wind  I started tracking
> low pressure systems off the equatorial jet and polar jets in 2012 and
> modeling them as if they were strings of vacuum, triggering
> hurricanes(entangled strings), waterspouts,
> sinkholes/seismic(ionizing/decay where strings are entering the Earth) and
> ionizing our atmosphere as they decay in our jet streams triggering
> electromagnetic effects.  These mesovortexes and supercells that break off
> the jet streams are basically "topological defects" of the "cosmic" strings
> of vacuum that break off and decay and trigger our storms, which is really
> the inflation phase of our quantum gravity field from the solar wind.
>
>  I have two more books coming out, one will be the next 6 months of the
> blog. The other book is focused on Doppler Microwave radars, which I think,
> based upon 6 months of study, including statistics, are triggering an
> increase in vacuum upsets around the radars, including an increase in
> sinkholes, shallow seismic events, mesovortex events, hypoxia/algae blooms
> in waters (through ionization and oxidation).
>
>  If you take what Axil, Jones, Fran and others have been talking about at
> the atomic level and scale the vacuum energy up to the "cosmic level", it
> sort of follows along.   I am working with two professional researchers now
> and feeding them my data around the towers to see if they get the same
> results with some other biological data. In 1956 Doppler radars were taken
> from the military and used for weather forecasting.  Although they do a lot
> of good, I think they are also damaging biology.
>
>  I have had a lot of fun developing a theory and piecing it all together
> in whatever direction it takes me. As I have looked closely at doppler
> radars, I have been recently looking at all of the cruise ship illnesses
> with norovirus.  I am looking at those large cruise ships and they have
> people partying on elevated decks directly beside and between multiple
> 20,000-30,000 watt pulsed Doppler microwave radars inside the large
> radomes.  I think those radars may be triggering the illness outbreaks.  If
> you are going on a cruise, I would advise not hanging out too close to
> them.  My partner was a military pilot on an aircraft carrier and they
> NEVER walked close to operating radars.
>
>
> http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/02/26/does-this-seem-remotely-safe-to-anybody/
>
>  I have all sorts of scientific data I found from the 1990's on concerns
> with Doppler radars causing cancer and related disease.  Norovirus is
> basically strands of RNA, I think the microwave radars, along with the
> increased vacuum, may be creating it FROM HUMANS.
>
>  You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a good
> idea to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar while
> drinking a Pina Colada??
>
>  Stewart
> darkmattersalot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:08 PM,  wrote:
>
> What book did you write?
>
>
>  I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does
> that count?
>
>  I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a
> trash can.
>
>
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find -Radar story

2014-03-01 Thread ChemE Stewart
If you want to see what I think a couple years of 3-5 megawatts of 24/7
pulsed Doppler radiation from 7 radars is doing to biology, click on the
link

http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/2-8-14-indian-river-lagoon-florida1.png

http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/01/31/the-killing-fields/

http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/11-4-13-florida1.png

Plenty of concern by scientists in the early 1990s that was overidden by
MIT/Lincoln Labs in support of installation of all of the NEXRAD and TDWR
radars, in addition to all of the overlapping FAA/military radars.
Cataracts, cancers, strange neurological responses.

If you read half way into this report you will find all the concerned
scientist letters/reports. The hypoxia that is occurring in the waterways
is also a marker in many human diseases.

http://darkmattersalot.com/2013/12/27/dont-worry-be-happy/

My statistics over 2 years and multiple runs of 10,000 iterations is
pointing directly to the radars.  Those one on the cruise ship are just
babies compared to the polarized, penetrating units today







On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 7:09 PM, David L Babcock  wrote:

> I worked on Navy electronic contracts and had several opportunities to
> watch "huge" pulsed RF energies sprayed out of big waveguides onto our
> equipment, testing for radiation susceptibility, out on a rooftop.  "Huge"
> because I have no clear memory of how much, but it was certainly more that
> a MW peak.  We all stood around, in a not-that-big semicircle, while the
> lead Navy tech person horsed stuff around and turned the power off and on.
>
> It may be that I can't remember what the power level was because of those
> exposures?  My life has been sometimes weird since then...
>
> Ol' Bab, who was an engineer.
>
>
>
> On 2/28/2014 11:22 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:13 PM, ChemE Stewart 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a good
>>> idea to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar while
>>> drinking a Pina Colada??
>>>
>> No.  It's either a Mai Tai or pure rum, 151 pf.  You'll get cataracts
>> regardless.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find -Radar story

2014-03-01 Thread David L Babcock
I worked on Navy electronic contracts and had several opportunities to 
watch "huge" pulsed RF energies sprayed out of big waveguides onto our 
equipment, testing for radiation susceptibility, out on a rooftop.  
"Huge" because I have no clear memory of how much, but it was certainly 
more that a MW peak.  We all stood around, in a not-that-big semicircle, 
while the lead Navy tech person horsed stuff around and turned the power 
off and on.


It may be that I can't remember what the power level was because of 
those exposures?  My life has been sometimes weird since then...


Ol' Bab, who was an engineer.



On 2/28/2014 11:22 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:

On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:13 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:


You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a good
idea to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar while
drinking a Pina Colada??

No.  It's either a Mai Tai or pure rum, 151 pf.  You'll get cataracts
regardless.







Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-01 Thread fznidarsic
That's a nice cover.  How did you make it?






Frank



-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390339797&sr=1-1



It is basically the first 6 months of my blog (darkmattersalot.com) adapted to 
an Ebook.  It is a chemical engineer's hunt for dark/vacuum energy in our 
atmosphere using basic thermodynamics, string/M theory and the National Weather 
Service... I am modeling the Sun and Earth as two "branes" of vacuum(6-D 
torroids) with strings and particles of vacuum stringing and streaming between 
them in the solar wind  I started tracking low pressure systems off the 
equatorial jet and polar jets in 2012 and modeling them as if they were strings 
of vacuum, triggering hurricanes(entangled strings), waterspouts, 
sinkholes/seismic(ionizing/decay where strings are entering the Earth) and 
ionizing our atmosphere as they decay in our jet streams triggering 
electromagnetic effects.  These mesovortexes and supercells that break off the 
jet streams are basically "topological defects" of the "cosmic" strings of 
vacuum that break off and decay and trigger our storms, which is really the 
inflation phase of our quantum gravity field from the solar wind. 


I have two more books coming out, one will be the next 6 months of the blog. 
The other book is focused on Doppler Microwave radars, which I think, based 
upon 6 months of study, including statistics, are triggering an increase in 
vacuum upsets around the radars, including an increase in sinkholes, shallow 
seismic events, mesovortex events, hypoxia/algae blooms in waters (through 
ionization and oxidation).


If you take what Axil, Jones, Fran and others have been talking about at the 
atomic level and scale the vacuum energy up to the "cosmic level", it sort of 
follows along.   I am working with two professional researchers now and feeding 
them my data around the towers to see if they get the same results with some 
other biological data. In 1956 Doppler radars were taken from the military and 
used for weather forecasting.  Although they do a lot of good, I think they are 
also damaging biology.


I have had a lot of fun developing a theory and piecing it all together in 
whatever direction it takes me. As I have looked closely at doppler radars, I 
have been recently looking at all of the cruise ship illnesses with norovirus.  
I am looking at those large cruise ships and they have people partying on 
elevated decks directly beside and between multiple 20,000-30,000 watt pulsed 
Doppler microwave radars inside the large radomes.  I think those radars may be 
triggering the illness outbreaks.  If you are going on a cruise, I would advise 
not hanging out too close to them.  My partner was a military pilot on an 
aircraft carrier and they NEVER walked close to operating radars.


http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/02/26/does-this-seem-remotely-safe-to-anybody/



I have all sorts of scientific data I found from the 1990's on concerns with 
Doppler radars causing cancer and related disease.  Norovirus is basically 
strands of RNA, I think the microwave radars, along with the increased vacuum, 
may be creating it FROM HUMANS.


You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a good idea 
to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar while drinking a 
Pina Colada?? 



Stewart
darkmattersalot.com












On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:08 PM,   wrote:

What book did you write?





I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that 
count?


I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can.






-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart 
To: vortex-l 


Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


Frank,


I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that 
count?


I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can.


On Friday, February 28, 2014,   wrote:

Thanks Alan. 


 I really still have a lot to learn.  Its fun!   Industrial products are the way
to go.  


Today I'm going to turn over my #1 detector over to the dump owner.  #5 false 
signals should not be a problem since there are no #5 bottles.   We shall see 
how it goes in actual operation. If it works OK we will have our first product. 
 I will video the operation.  I hope it is not a fiasco.   Next going to try my 
luck at #2 plastic detection.  #2 is transparent at terahertz frequencies.  I 
already have the PIR (passive infrared) detector.  I am going to try one of 
those etched plate Edmond Scientific visible spectrum analyzers as a cheep 
infrared polarizer.


heat source> etched plate---> #2 plastic->etched plate 90 

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:13 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a good
> idea to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar while
> drinking a Pina Colada??

No.  It's either a Mai Tai or pure rum, 151 pf.  You'll get cataracts
regardless.



Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread ChemE Stewart
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390339797&sr=1-1

It is basically the first 6 months of my blog (darkmattersalot.com) adapted
to an Ebook.  It is a chemical engineer's hunt for dark/vacuum energy in
our atmosphere using basic thermodynamics, string/M theory and the National
Weather Service... I am modeling the Sun and Earth as two "branes" of
vacuum(6-D torroids) with strings and particles of vacuum stringing and
streaming between them in the solar wind  I started tracking low pressure
systems off the equatorial jet and polar jets in 2012 and modeling them as
if they were strings of vacuum, triggering hurricanes(entangled strings),
waterspouts, sinkholes/seismic(ionizing/decay where strings are entering
the Earth) and ionizing our atmosphere as they decay in our jet streams
triggering electromagnetic effects.  These mesovortexes and supercells that
break off the jet streams are basically "topological defects" of the
"cosmic" strings of vacuum that break off and decay and trigger our storms,
which is really the inflation phase of our quantum gravity field from the
solar wind.

I have two more books coming out, one will be the next 6 months of the
blog. The other book is focused on Doppler Microwave radars, which I think,
based upon 6 months of study, including statistics, are triggering an
increase in vacuum upsets around the radars, including an increase in
sinkholes, shallow seismic events, mesovortex events, hypoxia/algae blooms
in waters (through ionization and oxidation).

If you take what Axil, Jones, Fran and others have been talking about at
the atomic level and scale the vacuum energy up to the "cosmic level", it
sort of follows along.   I am working with two professional researchers now
and feeding them my data around the towers to see if they get the same
results with some other biological data. In 1956 Doppler radars were taken
from the military and used for weather forecasting.  Although they do a lot
of good, I think they are also damaging biology.

I have had a lot of fun developing a theory and piecing it all together in
whatever direction it takes me. As I have looked closely at doppler radars,
I have been recently looking at all of the cruise ship illnesses with
norovirus.  I am looking at those large cruise ships and they have people
partying on elevated decks directly beside and between multiple
20,000-30,000 watt pulsed Doppler microwave radars inside the large
radomes.  I think those radars may be triggering the illness outbreaks.  If
you are going on a cruise, I would advise not hanging out too close to
them.  My partner was a military pilot on an aircraft carrier and they
NEVER walked close to operating radars.

http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/02/26/does-this-seem-remotely-safe-to-anybody/

I have all sorts of scientific data I found from the 1990's on concerns
with Doppler radars causing cancer and related disease.  Norovirus is
basically strands of RNA, I think the microwave radars, along with the
increased vacuum, may be creating it FROM HUMANS.

You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a good
idea to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar while
drinking a Pina Colada??

Stewart
darkmattersalot.com






On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:08 PM,  wrote:

> What book did you write?
>
>
>  I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does
> that count?
>
>  I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a
> trash can.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ChemE Stewart 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:33 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
>
>  Frank,
>
>  I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does
> that count?
>
>  I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a
> trash can.
>
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014,  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Alan.
>>
>>   I really still have a lot to learn.  Its fun!   Industrial products
>> are the way
>> to go.
>>
>>  Today I'm going to turn over my #1 detector over to the dump owner.  #5
>> false signals should not be a problem since there are no #5 bottles.   We
>> shall see how it goes in actual operation. If it works OK we will have our
>> first product.  I will video the operation.  I hope it is not a fiasco.
>> Next going to try my luck at #2 plastic detection.  #2 is transparent at
>> terahertz frequencies.  I already have the PIR (passive infrared) detector.
>>  I am going to try one of those etched plate Edmond Scientific visible
>> spectrum analyzers as a cheep infrared polarizer.
>>
>>  heat source> etched plate---> #2 plastic->etched plate 90 deg
>

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread fznidarsic
What book did you write?




I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that 
count?


I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can.





-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


Frank,


I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that 
count?


I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can.


On Friday, February 28, 2014,   wrote:

Thanks Alan. 


 I really still have a lot to learn.  Its fun!   Industrial products are the way
to go.  


Today I'm going to turn over my #1 detector over to the dump owner.  #5 false 
signals should not be a problem since there are no #5 bottles.   We shall see 
how it goes in actual operation. If it works OK we will have our first product. 
 I will video the operation.  I hope it is not a fiasco.   Next going to try my 
luck at #2 plastic detection.  #2 is transparent at terahertz frequencies.  I 
already have the PIR (passive infrared) detector.  I am going to try one of 
those etched plate Edmond Scientific visible spectrum analyzers as a cheep 
infrared polarizer.


heat source> etched plate---> #2 plastic->etched plate 90 deg --->  PIR 
detector


We shall see what happens.  Maybe I will learn more and advance by two steps.
So far the costs have been low and Its been a learning experience. 


Sold 14 books in Feb.  That produced revenue of $2 per day.  My cat could live 
on it.
Thank God I had a regular job for 32 years.  This starting a business is 
difficult.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: AlanG 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


  


On 2/28/2014 6:09 AM,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:



Thank you Alan G.



How?I really want to do this.


I would start with aprocess-control camera module, maybe 320x240 
pixels. Youshouldn't need more resolution, and keeping the pixel count  
  small means you won't need a fancy image processing chip. Such
modules typically use the common I2C or similarserial control and data 
interface, and some modules will have anon-board micro controller. If I 
were doing this project, I'd writesome firmware that would look at the 
change in color informationbetween adjacent pixels and the do some simple 
statistical analysison the result. The goal is to generate a single value 
for each imagethat represents how many colors are contained in the image. 
Then allyou need is a threshold value above which the #5 plastic is
detected. Other thresholds based on luminance might be capable ofsorting 
out the other types so that a single detector could do thewhole thing.

AlanG
  






Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread ChemE Stewart
Frank,

I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that
count?

I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash
can.


On Friday, February 28, 2014,  wrote:

> Thanks Alan.
>
>   I really still have a lot to learn.  Its fun!   Industrial products are
> the way
> to go.
>
>  Today I'm going to turn over my #1 detector over to the dump owner.  #5
> false signals should not be a problem since there are no #5 bottles.   We
> shall see how it goes in actual operation. If it works OK we will have our
> first product.  I will video the operation.  I hope it is not a fiasco.
> Next going to try my luck at #2 plastic detection.  #2 is transparent at
> terahertz frequencies.  I already have the PIR (passive infrared) detector.
>  I am going to try one of those etched plate Edmond Scientific visible
> spectrum analyzers as a cheep infrared polarizer.
>
>  heat source> etched plate---> #2 plastic->etched plate 90 deg
> --->  PIR detector
>
>  We shall see what happens.  Maybe I will learn more and advance by two
> steps.
> So far the costs have been low and Its been a learning experience.
>
>  Sold 14 books in Feb.  That produced revenue of $2 per day.  My cat
> could live on it.
> Thank God I had a regular job for 32 years.  This starting a business is
> difficult.
>
>  Frank
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: AlanG 
> 
> >
> To: vortex-l 
> 
> >
> Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
>
>
> On 2/28/2014 6:09 AM, 
> fznidar...@aol.comwrote:
>
> Thank you Alan G.
>
>  How?I really want to do this.
>
>
> I would start with a process-control camera module, maybe 320x240 pixels.
> You shouldn't need more resolution, and keeping the pixel count small means
> you won't need a fancy image processing chip. Such modules typically use
> the common I2C or similar serial control and data interface, and some
> modules will have an on-board micro controller. If I were doing this
> project, I'd write some firmware that would look at the change in color
> information between adjacent pixels and the do some simple statistical
> analysis on the result. The goal is to generate a single value for each
> image that represents how many colors are contained in the image. Then all
> you need is a threshold value above which the #5 plastic is detected. Other
> thresholds based on luminance might be capable of sorting out the other
> types so that a single detector could do the whole thing.
>
> AlanG
>


Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread fznidarsic
Thanks Alan. 


 I really still have a lot to learn.  Its fun!   Industrial products are the way
to go.  


Today I'm going to turn over my #1 detector over to the dump owner.  #5 false 
signals should not be a problem since there are no #5 bottles.   We shall see 
how it goes in actual operation. If it works OK we will have our first product. 
 I will video the operation.  I hope it is not a fiasco.   Next going to try my 
luck at #2 plastic detection.  #2 is transparent at terahertz frequencies.  I 
already have the PIR (passive infrared) detector.  I am going to try one of 
those etched plate Edmond Scientific visible spectrum analyzers as a cheep 
infrared polarizer.


heat source> etched plate---> #2 plastic->etched plate 90 deg --->  PIR 
detector


We shall see what happens.  Maybe I will learn more and advance by two steps.
So far the costs have been low and Its been a learning experience. 


Sold 14 books in Feb.  That produced revenue of $2 per day.  My cat could live 
on it.
Thank God I had a regular job for 32 years.  This starting a business is 
difficult.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: AlanG 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


  


On 2/28/2014 6:09 AM,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:



Thank you Alan G.



How?I really want to do this.


I would start with aprocess-control camera module, maybe 320x240 
pixels. Youshouldn't need more resolution, and keeping the pixel count  
  small means you won't need a fancy image processing chip. Such
modules typically use the common I2C or similarserial control and data 
interface, and some modules will have anon-board micro controller. If I 
were doing this project, I'd writesome firmware that would look at the 
change in color informationbetween adjacent pixels and the do some simple 
statistical analysison the result. The goal is to generate a single value 
for each imagethat represents how many colors are contained in the image. 
Then allyou need is a threshold value above which the #5 plastic is
detected. Other thresholds based on luminance might be capable ofsorting 
out the other types so that a single detector could do thewhole thing.

AlanG
  




Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread AlanG


On 2/28/2014 6:09 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

Thank you Alan G.

How?I really want to do this.


I would start with a process-control camera module, maybe 320x240 
pixels. You shouldn't need more resolution, and keeping the pixel count 
small means you won't need a fancy image processing chip. Such modules 
typically use the common I2C or similar serial control and data 
interface, and some modules will have an on-board micro controller. If I 
were doing this project, I'd write some firmware that would look at the 
change in color information between adjacent pixels and the do some 
simple statistical analysis on the result. The goal is to generate a 
single value for each image that represents how many colors are 
contained in the image. Then all you need is a threshold value above 
which the #5 plastic is detected. Other thresholds based on luminance 
might be capable of sorting out the other types so that a single 
detector could do the whole thing.


AlanG


Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread fznidarsic
Sorry about the rant but getting the 1 and 0 out of the computer brings back 
bad memories.

I had an office/ plant computer on my office.  I used to print out documents 
and to print out data from a PLC, a PLC programmer, and local displays in the 
plant.  It was OK and I was happy with it.  They then installed a LAN and a LAN 
printer in the office.  I said,  "I need that printer to print out ladder logic 
and plant display listings"  These displays replaced the local annunciation 
panels.  Then one day I went in my office and the printer was gone.  I was 
livid.  I tried to buy a new one on a local purchase requisition but 
information services blocked the purchase.  I had to go through them and we no 
longer supported office printers.


We had a small contractor Willtronics.  He built me an interface cable so that 
I could print to a file on my lab top.  I used Basic and the input A in the lap 
top.  It worked but over ran the buffer at times.  Basic had no control over 
the CTS pin.  I then had Wiltrinics build a cable with a resistor, capacitor, 
and a diode.  I could send back mostly 0's and mostly 1's from the lap top with 
the basic program.  These produced a one and a zero that stopped the 
transmitting device.


Then LAN printer printed on the cracks in the paper.  I had the Basic program 
change new page command command to a 1H1.  This took more hours than I had.   I 
stayed over nights (unpaid) to get it done.  I closed the door and maintenance 
would find out I was there and still knock on it with something or another.


The plant was sold upon utility deregulation.  I was let go and given a 
package.  If there is any conciliation the information services people we also 
expunged.  I explained all of this to the remaining engineer.  His eye rolled.  
When the new owner came in he just bought a new local printer.  Daah!


If there is any conciliation it happened just now. The fixed retirement was 
canceled when the plant was sold.  It was all in the 401K.   I got four more 
years of service in my package.  The extra years came in nice now.


Bob Vargo quote,  "No society has ever survived after it had lost its 
industrial base."


No more rant.  Can I do this with a USB?  I know nothing about USB drivers.


Frank Z






  







Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread fznidarsic
I now remember more.  They took away my plant/office printer. It was no longer 
supported but it was needed.   This made more than a bit of trouble for me.  I 
had to print the PLC's output into a file in the new lap top.  The D connector 
on the lap top became a printer emulator.  I needed to stop the PLC when the 
lab top's buffer was full.  The Basic program sent a back a series of  that 
went through my detector and then back to the CTS pin on the lap top.  This 
stopped the PLC when the lap tops buffer was full.  A print file was then built 
by the Basic program within the lab top.   I could then output the lab top's 
print file through the LAN system and onto the new office printer.  They did 
not like it when I tied up (the only legal) office printer with 800 pages of 
ladder logic.  No one cared.  They sold the plant and got rid of me.   I moved 
on.


-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


Thank you Alan G.


How?I really want to do this.  I am lacking in my knowledge of digital 
signal processing. What software?   Once I process the signal how do I get a 1 
or 0 out of my old computer?  I used to know how to get out a one with C and 
Basic.  How do I get the two software packages talking?


I am about ready to turn the detector over to Howard for testing.  #5 plastic 
is straws and bottle caps.  They either colored or to small to be detected.  I 
just wanted to do better.







I used to do something like this with the 9 pin D connectors on yesterday's 
computers.  I needed a way to stop a serial line printer upon buffer full at my 
old job in 1995. It was an odd situation with some old but critical PLC's that 
needed to print to a new serial printer.  The system worked fine until the 
office management installed a LAN printer and took away my old computer and 
printer.  It was a long story the old computer was no longer supported, they 
said.   I objected. We will get rid of the computer when we upgrade the PLC's, 
I said.   It was not an office computer or printer.  I was overridden and mad 
about it.  All of the PLC software was on floppies.  I transferred the software 
and wrote a C program to print out the ladder logic.  It's been a while and I 
don't remember all of the details.


I was too busy for this but now I had to do something.  The Basic program could 
transmit an ASKI character with all zeros.  I don't remember what character 
this was anymore.  This resulted in a zero followed by a string of ones on the 
output line. It looked something like this 0111.  The ones made a long 
pulse.  The signal did not return to zero between the ones.  I filtered the 
pulse with a resistor and a capacitor.  The zero reset the capacitor through a 
signal diode.  The string of all ones produced a high voltage in a detector and 
turned on an output. This output- was sent to the CTS pin.   I could send the 
string of ASKI characters to the 9 pin D's output with C or Basic.  I don't 
know if I can do this with a USB connector.  Perhaps that needs to be my next 
product.  A USB to single digital output.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: AlanG 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


  


On 2/27/2014 10:17 AM,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:


 #5 Plastic lets the light through in  colors.

Use a cheap camera sensor and lookat the color counts. Assuming the 
light source isbroad-spectrum, the #5 image should have a pretty high 
range ofcolor delta compared to the others.

AlanG
"It's only software..."

  





Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread fznidarsic

Thank you Alan G.


How?I really want to do this.  I am lacking in my knowledge of digital 
signal processing. What software?   Once I process the signal how do I get a 1 
or 0 out of my old computer?  I used to know how to get out a one with C and 
Basic.  How do I get the two software packages talking?


I am about ready to turn the detector over to Howard for testing.  #5 plastic 
is straws and bottle caps.  They either colored or to small to be detected.  I 
just wanted to do better.







I used to do something like this with the 9 pin D connectors on yesterday's 
computers.  I needed a way to stop a serial line printer upon buffer full at my 
old job in 1995. It was an odd situation with some old but critical PLC's that 
needed to print to a new serial printer.  The system worked fine until the 
office management installed a LAN printer and took away my old computer and 
printer.  It was a long story the old computer was no longer supported, they 
said.   I objected. We will get rid of the computer when we upgrade the PLC's, 
I said.   It was not an office computer or printer.  I was overridden and mad 
about it.  All of the PLC software was on floppies.  I transferred the software 
and wrote a C program to print out the ladder logic.  It's been a while and I 
don't remember all of the details.


I was too busy for this but now I had to do something.  The Basic program could 
transmit an ASKI character with all zeros.  I don't remember what character 
this was anymore.  This resulted in a zero followed by a string of ones on the 
output line. It looked something like this 0111.  The ones made a long 
pulse.  The signal did not return to zero between the ones.  I filtered the 
pulse with a resistor and a capacitor.  The zero reset the capacitor through a 
signal diode.  The string of all ones produced a high voltage in a detector and 
turned on an output. This output- was sent to the CTS pin.   I could send the 
string of ASKI characters to the 9 pin D's output with C or Basic.  I don't 
know if I can do this with a USB connector.  Perhaps that needs to be my next 
product.  A USB to single digital output.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: AlanG 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


  


On 2/27/2014 10:17 AM,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:


 #5 Plastic lets the light through in  colors.

Use a cheap camera sensor and lookat the color counts. Assuming the 
light source isbroad-spectrum, the #5 image should have a pretty high 
range ofcolor delta compared to the others.

AlanG
"It's only software..."

  




Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread AlanG


On 2/27/2014 10:17 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

#5 Plastic lets the light through in colors.


Use a cheap camera sensor and look at the color counts. Assuming the 
light source is broad-spectrum, the #5 image should have a pretty high 
range of color delta compared to the others.


AlanG
"It's only software..."



Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
Thank you Harry.  The polarizing technique almost works.  I don't need a robot. 
 A vacuum hose sucks up one bottle at a time from a bin.  The vacuum in the 
blocked hose retracts the hose.  We then test it and spit it one way of the 
other with another blast of air. Upon release of the bottle the hose goes down 
again on its own.   Howard has built the suck up machine.  One moving part was 
required.  Its a bit slow but we could have many.  I am the one delaying the 
project.


Frank


He wants to devise a scanning method that identifies the type plastic without 
the need for labels.
The optical properties of each plastic type would act like a natural bar code.


Harry





-Original Message-
From: H Veeder 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


Terry,


Are you being funny?

With barcodes and scanners cashiers don't need to read to price labels.


He wants to devise a scanning method that identifies the type plastic without 
the need for labels.
The optical properties of each plastic type would act like a natural bar code.


Harry




On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM,   wrote:
> Thank you Jones.  I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and
> washed.

Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_recycling







Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
I know.  I am looking for a robust low cost solution.  I have found that if you 
look at the number #5 though a opposed circular polarizers you get an array of 
colors with light and dark spots.  ref the video.  If you look at the same 
plastic with the second circular polarizer reversed (+ for -) the light and 
dark spots are reversed and the colors are transposed.  If you through 3d movie 
glasses one eye sees the opposite of what the other eye sees.  Its crazy.  Axil 
were you doing that?

If you serialize the flow of plastic particles, each particle is analyzed based 
on it own optical characterization. To get high speed throughput, Process a 
1000 particles a second one at a time. Multiple parallel particle paths can 
provide any level of desired throughput.













http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4













Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Could this kind of reader be adapted with Kurtzweilian robotics to do the
> grunt job... ?

Sure. But there are high speed plastic sorters already available.

http://www.plastics.ca/_files/file.php?fileid=itemxdzErpTzRg&filename=file_one_pager_on_automated_sorting.pdf



Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
If you serialize the flow of plastic particles, each particle is analyzed
based on it own optical characterization. To get high speed throughput,
Process a 1000 particles a second one at a time. Multiple parallel particle
paths can provide any level of desired throughput.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:17 PM,  wrote:

> Need Ideas.  video linked below 3mb type mp4.
>
>  http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4
>
>  Conditon #1   Two opposed circular polarizers block the light.
>
>  Condition #2   #1 PET plastic between the polarizers lets in the light.
>  The effect is dramatic and easily detectable.
>
>  Condtion #3Other plastics #2, and #7 block the light.  #3 #4 are not
> bottles.  We do not want colored plastic.
>
>  Condition #4   #5 Plastic lets the light through in colors.  The
> intensity is a little lower than #1.  This intensity effect or the light
> scattering is not robust enough to separate dirty, crushed bottles.
>
>  Condition #5  #1 plastic behind the the #5 plastic within the detector
> kills the colors.
>
>
> What is going on?  I believe that the #5 is rotating the axis
> of polarization and that the #1 is randomizing the polarization.  I have
> found no way to separate these conditions.  I tried liner polarizers and
> circular polarizers in both conditions of rotation.  The effect is always
> the same.
>
>  Frank Z
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4
>


Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
Need Ideas.  video linked below 3mb type mp4.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4



Conditon #1   Two opposed circular polarizers block the light.


Condition #2   #1 PET plastic between the polarizers lets in the light.  The 
effect is dramatic and easily detectable.


Condtion #3Other plastics #2, and #7 block the light.  #3 #4 are not 
bottles.  We do not want colored plastic.


Condition #4   #5 Plastic lets the light through in colors.  The intensity is a 
little lower than #1.  This intensity effect or the light scattering is not 
robust enough to separate dirty, crushed bottles.


Condition #5  #1 plastic behind the the #5 plastic within the detector kills 
the colors.



What is going on?  I believe that the #5 is rotating the axis of polarization 
and that the #1 is randomizing the polarization.  I have found no way to 
separate these conditions.  I tried liner polarizers and circular polarizers in 
both conditions of rotation.  The effect is always the same.


Frank Z




















http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4









Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
This is a systems integration project. All the parts of the system that he
wants have already be developed and exist in the marketplace. It is always
better to intergrade that to develop from scratch.

Total automation is the key with not humans to pay. Customers of this
system do not like to employ people. Trash in bulk goes in the input side
of the system and bags of clean plastic particles come out the output side
ready to be reprocessed.

The design goal is to make the plastic waste system as cost effective as
possible.




On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:07 PM, H Veeder  wrote:

> Terry,
>
> Are you being funny?
> With barcodes and scanners cashiers don't need to read to price labels.
>
> He wants to devise a scanning method that identifies the type plastic
> without the need for labels.
> The optical properties of each plastic type would act like a natural bar
> code.
>
> Harry
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM,   wrote:
>> > Thank you Jones.  I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded
>> and
>> > washed.
>>
>> Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_recycling
>>
>>
>


RE: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Jones Beene
 

Wait l-p . hodedo. there is a fix for everything.

 

At least 15 years ago - a friend of mine helped design a zip code reader for
USPS which operated at blinding speed even then. Now it the improved device
reads everything on the address but at one time it only searched for zip
codes.

 

Could this kind of reader be adapted with Kurtzweilian robotics to do the
grunt job. ?

 

.sounds like high tech meeting the dumpster-diver, but that's the future of
robotics - doing the jobs we hate to do.

 

From: leaking pen 

 

terry, HIGH SPEED is the key.  very interesting project.  good luck!

 

Terry Blanton  wrote:

 

I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and washed.

Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_recycling

 



Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread H Veeder
Terry,

Are you being funny?
With barcodes and scanners cashiers don't need to read to price labels.

He wants to devise a scanning method that identifies the type plastic
without the need for labels.
The optical properties of each plastic type would act like a natural bar
code.

Harry


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM,   wrote:
> > Thank you Jones.  I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded
> and
> > washed.
>
> Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_recycling
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread leaking pen
terry, HIGH SPEED is the key.  very interesting project.  good luck!


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM,   wrote:
> > Thank you Jones.  I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded
> and
> > washed.
>
> Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_recycling
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM,   wrote:
> Thank you Jones.  I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and
> washed.

Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_recycling



Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
Look into modifying this type of device as a value added modification.

http://www.olivermanufacturing.com/products/color-sorter.php

Wash and then mill the plastic into particles that can be sorted at high
speed.

software can react to optical characteristics to of particle sensors to air
blast sort the particle flow.

No human intervention is required. Its all automated. except for the front
end loader driver that loads the feed hopper.



On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM,  wrote:

> Thank you Jones.  I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded
> and washed.  All of the intact bottles float.  They arrive dirty, crushed
> flat, and with the labels on and off.
>
>  Large recyclers have methods to do this.  These methods are expensive at
> $100,000.  There are a lot of small recyclers that receive plastic from
> local recycle bins.  This is my market.  The technology must be cheep, and
> can include a  lot of labor by the local owner.  The rainbow of colors from
> the #5 plastic is a condition.  It has a cause.  If I could figure out the
> root cause maybe I could discriminate upon the effect.  Like cold fusion a
> good theory is needed to help with the harnessing the rainbow effect.
>
>  light> polarizer  >  bottle  > polarizer > detector
>
>
>  I always learn from doing.  The light source is a LED light bulb.  I
> have tested various bulbs and found that  LED bulbs have a high frequency
> response.  They can be modulated to eliminate stray light.  I modulate mine
> with a half wave with a diode.  Then signal is then passed through a 120
> hertz filter.  The filter consists of one resistor and one capacitor.  It a
> cheep method that works.
>
>  The cell phone adapter picked up and echo from the automotive speaker.
>  I managed to solve this problem by splitting the phase of the stereo car
> speakers and putting the mike at the center-line of the car.  I discovered
> a mike that picked up on a close spherical wave and rejected distant plain
> waves. It used a reversed wave dispersion effect through a small hole.  A
> circular wave went in and a plane wave came out.  Pretty neat microphone
> design. The combination  worked the echo was eliminated passively even when
> the car radio was turned up loud.  One manufacturer told me that passive
> echo elimination was unique, however, no one wanted a wired cell phone
> adapter.   There was no market.  I did learn about wave dispersion.
>
>   Everyone wants to know about the latest sports score.  I can't tell
> them.  I have accumulated a lot of useless knowledge that no one wants.
>  The only one who is interested is Jones.
>
>
>  Frank
>
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
Thank you Jones.  I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and 
washed.  All of the intact bottles float.  They arrive dirty, crushed flat, and 
with the labels on and off.


Large recyclers have methods to do this.  These methods are expensive at 
$100,000.  There are a lot of small recyclers that receive plastic from local 
recycle bins.  This is my market.  The technology must be cheep, and can 
include a  lot of labor by the local owner.  The rainbow of colors from the #5 
plastic is a condition.  It has a cause.  If I could figure out the root cause 
maybe I could discriminate upon the effect.  Like cold fusion a good theory is 
needed to help with the harnessing the rainbow effect.


light> polarizer  >  bottle  > polarizer > detector 




I always learn from doing.  The light source is a LED light bulb.  I have 
tested various bulbs and found that  LED bulbs have a high frequency response.  
They can be modulated to eliminate stray light.  I modulate mine with a half 
wave with a diode.  Then signal is then passed through a 120 hertz filter.  The 
filter consists of one resistor and one capacitor.  It a cheep method that 
works.  


The cell phone adapter picked up and echo from the automotive speaker.  I 
managed to solve this problem by splitting the phase of the stereo car speakers 
and putting the mike at the center-line of the car.  I discovered a mike that 
picked up on a close spherical wave and rejected distant plain waves. It used a 
reversed wave dispersion effect through a small hole.  A circular wave went in 
and a plane wave came out.  Pretty neat microphone design. The combination  
worked the echo was eliminated passively even when the car radio was turned up 
loud.  One manufacturer told me that passive echo elimination was unique, 
however, no one wanted a wired cell phone adapter.   There was no market.  I 
did learn about wave dispersion.


 Everyone wants to know about the latest sports score.  I can't tell them.  I 
have accumulated a lot of useless knowledge that no one wants.  The only one 
who is interested is Jones.




Frank











RE: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Jones Beene
Can you use relative density as a parameter?

 

Many plastics like PVC are relatively dense and will sink in water unless
there is entrained air in the sample. This is because their solid density is
higher than H2O. OTOH the most of common resins (cheap plastic) - which
includes all the polyolefins - will float on water and cannot sink.

 

Obviously, with waste plastic, this parameter is more difficult to
implement, due to entrained air, so it would not work without first reducing
the resins which are to be tested - to pellets.

 

You can also make the water density significantly higher by adding salt - so
that nylon would float and polycarbonate will sink. Both would normally
sink.

 

There is a fairly wide spread of density in resins between .9 and 1.4 g/cc
(water is 1) but it would only be possible to use this kind of testing on
samples which are not aerated.

 

From: fznidar...@aol.com 

 

I am still working on my plastic detector.  It can't discriminate between #1
and #5 plastic.  The #5 plastic produces a rainbow of colors when placed
between two linear polarizes.  The #1 does not.  #1 randomizes the
polarization and the light path and becomes clear.  The effect is dramatic.
I assumed that the colors in #5 came from a rotation of the angle of
polarization with frequency.  I tried a circular polarizer.  It did not, as
I had hoped,  produce a detectable affect of this rotation.  #5 still passes
a lot of light in a rainbow of colors.  All of the colors go through so that
a color cap does not work.  Bottles at the dump are a little dirty so that I
need a robust detection technique.  I need a rainbow of colors detector.  I
am now stuck.  Where to the colors come from?  Maybe I am wrong about the
rotation of the angle of polarization with frequency. 

 

I learned something useful for cold fusion.  The #2 milk bottle plastic
passes terahertz radiation freely.  I used my motion detector light as a
sensor for terahertz radiation.  #2 will work as terahertz window in cold
fusion experiments.

 

 

Frank Z



Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
Here is video of the detector in operation.  they are ready at the dump. I am 
not, as I had promised, ready.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticDetect.mp4



-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 9:49 am
Subject: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


I am still working on my plastic detector.  It can't discriminate between #1 
and #5 plastic.  The #5 plastic produces a rainbow of colors when placed 
between two linear polarizes.  The #1 does not.  #1 randomizes the polarization 
and the light path and becomes clear.  The effect is dramatic.  I assumed that 
the colors in #5 came from a rotation of the angle of polarization with 
frequency.  I tried a circular polarizer.  It did not, as I had hoped,  produce 
a detectable affect of this rotation.  #5 still passes a lot of light in a 
rainbow of colors.  All of the colors go through so that a color cap does not 
work.  Bottles at the dump are a little dirty so that I need a robust detection 
technique.  I need a rainbow of colors detector.  I am now stuck.  Where to the 
colors come from?  Maybe I am wrong about the rotation of the angle of 
polarization with frequency.


I learned something useful for cold fusion.  The #2 milk bottle plastic passes 
terahertz radiation freely.  I used my motion detector light as a sensor for 
terahertz radiation.  #2 will work as terahertz window in cold fusion 
experiments.




Frank Z