Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Harry Veeder]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence  wrote:
>
>
> On 11-12-16 06:07 AM, Joshua Cude wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>> Following this line of reasoning, it is logical to assume that MY is more
>> likely than not a male. I would guesstimate that the odds on this
>> speculation are 70/30 that MY is a man.
>
>
> Who the hell cares?
>
>
> I guess you haven't been around the crackpot forums much, or you haven't
> been paying attention to the behavior of the folks there.
>
> Nearly all members of the fringe science forums are male.  (Go look around
> places like sci.physics.relativity if you don't believe me.)  This is 'way
> out of proportion to the number of women in science; I don't have an
> explanation for the discrepancy.  (Women aren't as nutty as men?)

I also don't hear women complaining how they are under represented in
such forums.
Probably because such forums do not confer much in the way of money
and status to the participants. Meanwhile, women now out number men in
medical and law schools.

Harry

RE: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Jones Beene]

From: Susan Gipp 

Axil: I would guesstimate that the odds on this speculation are 70/30 that
MY is a man. 

Are M.Y. two people ?   Mary - y (=and) - Ugo ?



Hmmm ... Out of curiosity - did Ugo Fano (RIP) have a son? - or are you just
speculating about naming possibilities...

Come to think of it - the "Fano effect" and his characteristic spike (which
portends gain) could easily be relevant to the Rossi device. 

This is especially true with RF input. 

As Wiki-the-magnificent sez: "The Fano resonance line-shape is due to
interference between two scattering amplitudes, one due to scattering within
a continuum of states (the background process) and the second due to a
excitation of a discrete state (the resonant process). The energy of the
resonant state must lie in the energy range of the continuum (background)
states for the effect to occur." END

For instance, in the Rossi/DGT devices, one scattering amplitude would be
the blackbody emission in the THz range and the other would be RF in the
GHz.  As of today's postings, it seems the Fano effect would probably apply
to Celani as well.

Jones
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Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

>From Mr. Lawrence:

> However, I do have an observation:  When a woman (or apparent woman) shows up,
> she gets *far* more responses to her posts than a man (or apparent man) would
> by posting the same sort of material.  So, being a woman on the fringe lists
> is enough to garner an awful lot of attention, all by itself.
> (I leave it to you to figure out why.)

For example, "Nora Baron" aka John Connet from the old Blacklight
Power YAHOO list. "Baron" managed to get a lot of mileage - until she
was outed.

...afterwards, John continued to get a lot of mileage, being John.

Guess it just goes to say that if you really have something
interesting to say, nobody really cares about gender.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

On 11-12-16 06:07 AM, Joshua Cude wrote:



On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Axil Axil > wrote:


Following this line of reasoning, it is logical to assume that MY
is more likely than not a male. I would guesstimate that the odds
on this speculation are 70/30 that MY is a man.


Who the hell cares?



I guess you haven't been around the crackpot forums much, or you haven't 
been paying attention to the behavior of the folks there.


Nearly all members of the fringe science forums are male.  (Go look 
around places like sci.physics.relativity if you don't believe me.)  
This is 'way out of proportion to the number of women in science; I 
don't have an explanation for the discrepancy.  (Women aren't as nutty 
as men?)


However, I do have an observation:  When a woman (or apparent woman) 
shows up, she gets *far* more responses to her posts than a man (or 
apparent man) would by posting the same sort of material.  So, being a 
woman on the fringe lists is enough to garner an awful lot of attention, 
all by itself.  (I leave it to you to figure out why.)


So, by observation, we can provide an answer your question as to "who 
cares":


Nearly everyone on the fringe science lists.

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

On 11-12-16 04:29 AM, Man on Bridges wrote:

Hi,

On 15-12-2011 19:13, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:

I wonder if MY is taking lessons from Mr. Krivit.


I wonder if MY is one and the same Mr. Krivit.



NO, no way.

When it comes to science, Krivit's something approximating an idiot.  MY 
isn't.


(Just my rather rude opinion of the two of them.)

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

On 11-12-16 03:20 AM, Axil Axil wrote:


Following this line of reasoning, it is logical to assume that MY is 
more likely than not a male. I would guesstimate that the odds on this 
speculation are 70/30 that MY is a man.




I already pointed this out, but I did it in a jocular way, and "she" 
didn't get the joke, no, not at all.


Got rather defensive about it, in fact, or so it seemed to me.

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Joshua Cude]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Following this line of reasoning, it is logical to assume that MY is more
> likely than not a male. I would guesstimate that the odds on this
> speculation are 70/30 that MY is a man.
>

Who the hell cares?

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Man on Bridges]

Hi,

On 15-12-2011 19:13, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:

I wonder if MY is taking lessons from Mr. Krivit.


I wonder if MY is one and the same Mr. Krivit.

Could that explain the secrecy in the identity game?

B.t.w. for those who say I do the same thing, look at the characters in 
my name and then realize it is actually an anagram for my name.

So is "Sending Rambo" also another one.
And for those who do understand Dutch I've a nice other one: "Nam Gods 
Brein"; which literally translated means "took God's Brain" ;-)


Kind regards,

MoB

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Peter Gluck]

Humor is an sadly complex and intricate subject, I have studied is an
amateur, starting with Bergson's "La rire" In my former newsletter Info
Kappa I wrote
two editorials, 358 and 359 about Humor. This theory is very important I
think:  http://www.pyrrhichouse.co.uk/book-info/alastair-clarke.php
Otherwise, in practice humor is a 3 S issue: sadism, sex, shit.
Here it is comme il faut to practice a bit of sadistic humor.

To Susan- it is not very relevant if Mary is e-female or e-male. She owns
what I miss- certainties. I envy her for that. Again not important that
this certainties are negative re Rossi. We need time, 3-6 months I think to
have a definitive solution- scam or a new technology.


On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Humour is an act of aggression.
>
> A German academic sees humour as an act of aggression, and says that
> people who make others laugh think that they are higher up the social
> ladder than their audiences.
>
> Helga Kotthoff, of the Frieburg University of Education, claims that
> dominant people exploit the ability to make others laugh as a degree of
> control to show that they are in charge.
>
> The research, which was published in the Journal of Pragmatics, suggest
> that the role of humour is not to make other people laugh as much as it is
> to make others know who is in charge.
>
> The theory explains why until recently it has been extremely rare for
> women to tell jokes in front of men, according to Helga Kotthoff of the
> Frieburg University of Education.
>
> She said: "Those 'on top' are freer to make others laugh. They are also
> freer to be more aggressive and a lot of what is funny is making jokes at
> someone else's expense.
>
> "Displaying humour means taking control of the situation from those higher
> up the hierarchy and this is risky for people of lower status, which before
> the 1960s meant women rarely made other people laugh - they couldn't afford
> to.
>
> "Comedy and satire are based on aggressiveness and not being nice," she
> said. "Until the 1960s it was seen as unladylike to be funny. But even now
> women tend to prefer telling jokes at their own expense and men tend to
> prefer telling jokes at other people's expense."
>
> Following this line of reasoning, it is logical to assume that MY is more
> likely than not a male. I would guesstimate that the odds on this
> speculation are 70/30 that MY is a man.
>
> Projecting further and consistent with the use of aggressive humor, MY’s
> objection with Rossi borders on the pathological and may be an attempt to
> assert dominance over Rossi as a perceived object of our adoration as well
> as the other members of this forum by cutting Rossi down to size as it
> were, discounting and belittling his accomplishments and oftentimes
> inferring and sometimes openly asserting he is no more than a common
> criminal;  i.e. a man of no consequence juxtaposed to MY himself.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Mary Yugo  wrote:
>
>> It was joke-- pls. lighten up!
>>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Susan Gipp]

2011/12/16 Axil Axil 

> Following this line of reasoning, it is logical to assume that MY is more
> likely than not a male. I would guesstimate that the odds on this
> speculation are 70/30 that MY is a man.
>
>
Are MY two people ? Mary - y (=and) - Ugo ?

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Axil Axil]

Humour is an act of aggression.

A German academic sees humour as an act of aggression, and says that people
who make others laugh think that they are higher up the social ladder than
their audiences.

Helga Kotthoff, of the Frieburg University of Education, claims that
dominant people exploit the ability to make others laugh as a degree of
control to show that they are in charge.

The research, which was published in the Journal of Pragmatics, suggest
that the role of humour is not to make other people laugh as much as it is
to make others know who is in charge.

The theory explains why until recently it has been extremely rare for women
to tell jokes in front of men, according to Helga Kotthoff of the Frieburg
University of Education.

She said: "Those 'on top' are freer to make others laugh. They are also
freer to be more aggressive and a lot of what is funny is making jokes at
someone else's expense.

"Displaying humour means taking control of the situation from those higher
up the hierarchy and this is risky for people of lower status, which before
the 1960s meant women rarely made other people laugh - they couldn't afford
to.

"Comedy and satire are based on aggressiveness and not being nice," she
said. "Until the 1960s it was seen as unladylike to be funny. But even now
women tend to prefer telling jokes at their own expense and men tend to
prefer telling jokes at other people's expense."

Following this line of reasoning, it is logical to assume that MY is more
likely than not a male. I would guesstimate that the odds on this
speculation are 70/30 that MY is a man.

Projecting further and consistent with the use of aggressive humor, MY’s
objection with Rossi borders on the pathological and may be an attempt to
assert dominance over Rossi as a perceived object of our adoration as well
as the other members of this forum by cutting Rossi down to size as it
were, discounting and belittling his accomplishments and oftentimes
inferring and sometimes openly asserting he is no more than a common
criminal;  i.e. a man of no consequence juxtaposed to MY himself.



On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

> It was joke-- pls. lighten up!
>

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Mary Yugo]

It was joke-- pls. lighten up!

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

I'd be dead without spell checker.

I suspect I'm not alone on that.

I wonder if MY is taking lessons from Mr. Krivit.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Jed Rothwell]

Mary Yugo  wrote:

Meanwhile, Rossi continues to enrich the English language.  His latest
> contribution is "cinfudential".


It is a typo for crying out loud. Don't be such a pill. Rossi's English is
probably better than your Italian, so do not criticize.

As Peter said, this is inelegant. It is uncalled for.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Mary,
it is not elegant to pick such minor things.Do not forget what has told
Buffon about Style.
The letters u, i and o are adjacent on QWERTY
so this is a natural typo. I do similar things when in hurry, my cataract
is of great help.
Please focus on the essentials.
Peter

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

> Meanwhile, Rossi continues to enrich the English language.  His latest
> contribution is "cinfudential".  I assume it has something to do with Elmer
> Fudd but I am not sure what.
>
> "Andrea Rossi
> December 14th, 2011 at 6:02 PM
>
> Dear Paolo Accomazzi:
> I will publish the theory when I will have the protection of a granted
> patent, because the theory indroduces to the cinfudential issues of the
> technology.
> Warm Regards,
> A.R."
>
> From his blog
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

[Mary Yugo]

Meanwhile, Rossi continues to enrich the English language.  His latest
contribution is "cinfudential".  I assume it has something to do with Elmer
Fudd but I am not sure what.

"Andrea Rossi
December 14th, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Dear Paolo Accomazzi:
I will publish the theory when I will have the protection of a granted
patent, because the theory indroduces to the cinfudential issues of the
technology.
Warm Regards,
A.R."

>From his blog