Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
In all the unusual systems mentioned I would be extremely surprised to find a significant amount of energy being harvested. It would be astounding to find more than 1 milliwatt of power available to charge the main battery. Also, a well constructed shielded room like Bob is describing would generate far better than 3 dB reduction to the input unshielded level assumed by Jones. More like >30 plus should be expected. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2016 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:19:32 -0700: Hi, >Such collected ions as Robin describes are most likely to be attracted to >plates that would provide a net neutralization of the electret. I agree. >In other >words, this ion current from the air would be a leakage path for the >electret and not a benefactor. It would only be a leakage current, if charge could actually reach the electret. However, if the electret is well insulated, then all you get is a charge build up. Essentially, you end up with a capacitor within a capacitor. However, whether or not one can be discharged with discharging the other, I don't know. IOW can one discharge the accessible capacitor with "discharging" the electret? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:19:32 -0700: Hi, >Such collected ions as Robin describes are most likely to be attracted to >plates that would provide a net neutralization of the electret. I agree. >In other >words, this ion current from the air would be a leakage path for the >electret and not a benefactor. It would only be a leakage current, if charge could actually reach the electret. However, if the electret is well insulated, then all you get is a charge build up. Essentially, you end up with a capacitor within a capacitor. However, whether or not one can be discharged with discharging the other, I don't know. IOW can one discharge the accessible capacitor with "discharging" the electret? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
Such collected ions as Robin describes are most likely to be attracted to plates that would provide a net neutralization of the electret. In other words, this ion current from the air would be a leakage path for the electret and not a benefactor. Such ion current leakage exists, yet electrets overcome this to provide a net charge. Like many electrostatic phenomena, electrets are more easily observed in a dry atmosphere where the device potentials are protected from such ion discharge. Note also that the electret phenomenon has been around for more than 100 years before man created radio waves. The fact that electrets exist means that it is distinguished from an ordinary capacitor - once discharged a capacitor remains discharged. The mere fact that an electret can restore its charge after it has been discharged means that it has done work. Maybe it is only a little work. Maybe the sum total work that can be extracted from an electret is less than the work required to form the electret. I have no direct experience in measuring the work available from an electret, but obviously Steorn does. Perhaps the electret stack will just turn out to be a good battery with a well defined energy storage. It will be interesting to see the results when the devices are independently tested. On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, wrote: > In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 25 Jan 2016 22:27:53 -0600: > Hi, > >Hi Robin, > > > >I understand you to be suggesting that ions in the air might restore the > >state of the Orbo by removing electrons from one plate through > >de-ionization. > > ...and also adding them to the other plate. When an atom is ionized, the > free > electron has to go somewhere, so it is likely to attach itself to a neutral > molecule, forming a negative ion to compensate for the positive ion left > behind. > Overall the atmosphere should be a dilute mixture of positive and negative > ions. > > >An ion comes along and picks up an electron, becoming > >electrically neutral and restoring the original potential by a small > amount. > > > >On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:43 PM, wrote: > > > >Many of these do not recombine immediately, because dry air is a poor > >> conductor. > > > > > >On this theory, would you expect the Orbo to work less effectively in a > >humid environment? > > > >Eric > > At first blush I might be inclined to say yes, but ions created in the > upper > atmosphere may be carried to lower levels by precipitation, wind currents, > &/or > dust, which complicates the picture. > > Also direct sunlight is not the only source of ions. Background radiation > also > plays a role, as do extreme electric fields in thunderstorms. > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > >
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
judging from how "well" iPhones perform over here in Finland, about -15celsius is when stuff starts breaking down and refuses to hold a charge. On 26 January 2016 at 06:36, Che wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Eric Walker > wrote: > >> Hi Robin, >> >> I understand you to be suggesting that ions in the air might restore the >> state of the Orbo by removing electrons from one plate through >> de-ionization. An ion comes along and picks up an electron, becoming >> electrically neutral and restoring the original potential by a small amount. >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:43 PM, wrote: >> >> Many of these do not recombine immediately, because dry air is a poor >>> conductor. >> >> >> On this theory, would you expect the Orbo to work less effectively in a >> humid environment? >> >> Eric >> >> > What are the likely minimum and maximum operating temperatures..? > > -- --- http://twitter.com/esaruoho // http://lackluster.bandcamp.com // +358403703659 // skype:esajuhaniruoho // http://esaruoho.tumblr.com/ // iMessage: esaru...@gmail.com //
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
In reply to Che's message of Mon, 25 Jan 2016 23:36:37 -0500: Hi, I would guess that the Lithium battery is probably the most temperature sensitive component, though the maximum might also be determined by the electronics. >On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > >> Hi Robin, >> >> I understand you to be suggesting that ions in the air might restore the >> state of the Orbo by removing electrons from one plate through >> de-ionization. An ion comes along and picks up an electron, becoming >> electrically neutral and restoring the original potential by a small amount. >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:43 PM, wrote: >> >> Many of these do not recombine immediately, because dry air is a poor >>> conductor. >> >> >> On this theory, would you expect the Orbo to work less effectively in a >> humid environment? >> >> Eric >> >> >What are the likely minimum and maximum operating temperatures..? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 25 Jan 2016 22:27:53 -0600: Hi, >Hi Robin, > >I understand you to be suggesting that ions in the air might restore the >state of the Orbo by removing electrons from one plate through >de-ionization. ...and also adding them to the other plate. When an atom is ionized, the free electron has to go somewhere, so it is likely to attach itself to a neutral molecule, forming a negative ion to compensate for the positive ion left behind. Overall the atmosphere should be a dilute mixture of positive and negative ions. >An ion comes along and picks up an electron, becoming >electrically neutral and restoring the original potential by a small amount. > >On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:43 PM, wrote: > >Many of these do not recombine immediately, because dry air is a poor >> conductor. > > >On this theory, would you expect the Orbo to work less effectively in a >humid environment? > >Eric At first blush I might be inclined to say yes, but ions created in the upper atmosphere may be carried to lower levels by precipitation, wind currents, &/or dust, which complicates the picture. Also direct sunlight is not the only source of ions. Background radiation also plays a role, as do extreme electric fields in thunderstorms. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > Hi Robin, > > I understand you to be suggesting that ions in the air might restore the > state of the Orbo by removing electrons from one plate through > de-ionization. An ion comes along and picks up an electron, becoming > electrically neutral and restoring the original potential by a small amount. > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:43 PM, wrote: > > Many of these do not recombine immediately, because dry air is a poor >> conductor. > > > On this theory, would you expect the Orbo to work less effectively in a > humid environment? > > Eric > > What are the likely minimum and maximum operating temperatures..?
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
Hi Robin, I understand you to be suggesting that ions in the air might restore the state of the Orbo by removing electrons from one plate through de-ionization. An ion comes along and picks up an electron, becoming electrically neutral and restoring the original potential by a small amount. On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:43 PM, wrote: Many of these do not recombine immediately, because dry air is a poor > conductor. On this theory, would you expect the Orbo to work less effectively in a humid environment? Eric
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:07:58 -0600: Hi, Here's a guess on where the energy might be coming from. Sunlight ionizes atoms in the atmosphere. Many of these do not recombine immediately, because dry air is a poor conductor. Suppose that the electret collected and separated the positive from the negative ions, causing them to collect on respective metal plates (electrodes), until the voltage of this charged "capacitor" equaled that of the electret. If these electrodes are then connected, a current will flow until all the ions are neutralized at which point the connection is deliberately broken, and the plates allowed to recharge, from a fresh load of ions. One would probably need some electronics to convert the high voltage low current from the capacitor into a low voltage high current for the storage battery. Note that the electret itself does no real work. That was originally done by the Sun in producing the ions. In effect, the electret does electrically, what a magnetic field would do in MHD. >On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > >The result is that a permanent electric field is "frozen" into the gel >> material, with positive and negative poles. This polarized electric field >> then interacts with the two dissimilar metals to generate an electric >> current, in a way that is analogous to how the magnetic fields in the >> "classic" perpetual motion machine Orbo interacted with one another to >> generate force. The electric field frozen into the gel material works in a >> way that parallels the frozen magnetic fields of permanent magnets. >> > >This description does not make sense to me. Even if there was a way to >build a permanent "electret" that is analogous to a permanent magnet, I do >not see how it would work. It seems to me the current would quickly >saturate the potential of the electret and would drop off to zero. > >Eric Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
4-5 years ago there was a lot of activity on the alternative energy forums concerning the “CapTret” which combines features of electret and capacitor to extend the life of a battery. It does work. http://jnaudin.free.fr/captret/index.htm http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1637.0 The best that can be said for the idea is that you can run an LED for a very long time, while at the same time, increasing the voltage on the cap. Eventually it will fail completely, but it has fooled a lot of people into thinking it is OU - and it does seem to provide far more charge than the cap is rated for. It is possible that Steorn took this technology to a higher level using an ultracap combined with the best lithium battery, but the device is not gainful. In the end, if you buy one for $1,200 dollars, you will probably be able to keep you mobile phone charged without grid electricity for a year, slightly longer than the warranty - when it will fail, having provided a few dollar’s worth of electrical energy… The trick is to make it last past the warranty date. … but heck, you could have lost more betting on the “sure thing” Patriots. From: Eric Walker Bob Higgins wrote: Electrets have been made for hundreds of years. These electrets, if shorted, and then opened will have the charge return and a high electric field will once again be present. In the shorting, charge was conducted from one plate to another, so work was done. Thank you for the clarification about the existence of electrets. What I don't understand is how you'd get a replenished potential out of one without doing additional work. If we consider the shorting to be doing work analogous to allowing a ball to roll down a hill, converting potential energy into kinetic energy (of the electrons in the current), what then moves the ball back up the hill after removing the short? Note that there was a claim that the Orbo works in a Faraday cage; if true, it seems like some kind of ambient potential in the environment isn't being tapped. There was a suggestion that the Orbo made use of a thermoelectric effect. That sounds like three things -- a lithium battery, a stack of electrets and some kind of thermoelectric device or effect. Could such a thing be made to do useful work? Eric
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
They have likened to The effect in The Orbo-powergenerator to be Piezoelectric in nature. Feels to me like it is hearing something and transforming it into droplets that it spews forth and that are Directed into The Lithium-Ion battery. Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa. > Eric Walker kirjoitti 26.1.2016 kello 3.05: > >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Bob Higgins >> wrote: >> >> Electrets have been made for hundreds of years. These electrets, if >> shorted, and then opened will have the charge return and a high electric >> field will once again be present. In the shorting, charge was conducted >> from one plate to another, so work was done. > > Thank you for the clarification about the existence of electrets. What I > don't understand is how you'd get a replenished potential out of one without > doing additional work. If we consider the shorting to be doing work > analogous to allowing a ball to roll down a hill, converting potential energy > into kinetic energy (of the electrons in the current), what then moves the > ball back up the hill after removing the short? > > Note that there was a claim that the Orbo works in a Faraday cage; if true, > it seems like some kind of ambient potential in the environment isn't being > tapped. There was a suggestion that the Orbo made use of a thermoelectric > effect. That sounds like three things -- a lithium battery, a stack of > electrets and some kind of thermoelectric device or effect. Could such a > thing be made to do useful work? > > Eric >
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: Electrets have been made for hundreds of years. These electrets, if > shorted, and then opened will have the charge return and a high electric > field will once again be present. In the shorting, charge was conducted > from one plate to another, so work was done. > Thank you for the clarification about the existence of electrets. What I don't understand is how you'd get a replenished potential out of one without doing additional work. If we consider the shorting to be doing work analogous to allowing a ball to roll down a hill, converting potential energy into kinetic energy (of the electrons in the current), what then moves the ball back up the hill after removing the short? Note that there was a claim that the Orbo works in a Faraday cage; if true, it seems like some kind of ambient potential in the environment isn't being tapped. There was a suggestion that the Orbo made use of a thermoelectric effect. That sounds like three things -- a lithium battery, a stack of electrets and some kind of thermoelectric device or effect. Could such a thing be made to do useful work? Eric
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
Electrets have been made for hundreds of years. These electrets, if
shorted, and then opened will have the charge return and a high electric
field will once again be present. In the shorting, charge was conducted
from one plate to another, so work was done. Electrets are odd devices.
Electrets are not a "gel" they are a capacitor made with a wax that is
melted and solidified between the two conductive plates with the wax
solidifying while in the electric field ("pole-ing") The Orbo is probably
a large parallel stack of such electrets with a circuit that will take the
charge being discharged and switch it to an appropriate voltage to charge a
lithium battery inside the box very slowly. Afterwards, the internal
battery can be used to charge a cellphone battery that is externally
attached.
The real question is not whether this would work, the question is for how
long. Obviously, if you filled the Orbo with the best lithium batteries
you could find, there will be a certain energy stored. Can you get more
than this from the Orbo in the 1 year that it is warranted? Is it better
than just a good battery?
Note also that electrets will de-pole if you heat them to approach
melting. Better not leave Orbo in your car in Phoenix in the summer.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
>
> The result is that a permanent electric field is "frozen" into the gel
>> material, with positive and negative poles. This polarized electric field
>> then interacts with the two dissimilar metals to generate an electric
>> current, in a way that is analogous to how the magnetic fields in the
>> "classic" perpetual motion machine Orbo interacted with one another to
>> generate force. The electric field frozen into the gel material works in a
>> way that parallels the frozen magnetic fields of permanent magnets.
>>
>
> This description does not make sense to me. Even if there was a way to
> build a permanent "electret" that is analogous to a permanent magnet, I do
> not see how it would work. It seems to me the current would quickly
> saturate the potential of the electret and would drop off to zero.
>
> Eric
>
>
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: The result is that a permanent electric field is "frozen" into the gel > material, with positive and negative poles. This polarized electric field > then interacts with the two dissimilar metals to generate an electric > current, in a way that is analogous to how the magnetic fields in the > "classic" perpetual motion machine Orbo interacted with one another to > generate force. The electric field frozen into the gel material works in a > way that parallels the frozen magnetic fields of permanent magnets. > This description does not make sense to me. Even if there was a way to build a permanent "electret" that is analogous to a permanent magnet, I do not see how it would work. It seems to me the current would quickly saturate the potential of the electret and would drop off to zero. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: Quite a few people on the web have ordered these and will give them a > whirl. Including a few Finns who are taking them to an university and > having scientists look at them. > This is the way to deal with any claim from an inventor that is not manifestly absurd. If you can, get a hold of the device and test it. Disregard entirely the inventor's view of what is going on if it doesn't make sense to you, and see whether it works as advertised, or at all. I'm interested in what comes of the Orbo testing. I am not persuaded by the descriptions I've heard so far. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
It might depend on thermal gradients. Harry On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > Harry, they've stated that it will work inside a Faraday cage, so it's not > an energy-harvester using RF as power-source, like the ADGEX ELFE and the > forthcoming ADGEX Tachyon products will be. > > So we'll see. > > That leaked investor-video contained this nugget: > > "Shaun showed the internal components of a PowerCube, described how the > energy generating Orbo power pack works, and even demonstrated the process > of manufacturing a simple device of this kind. > > The Orbo battery (or power pack) is made up of three components: two > dissimilar metals and a layer of chemical gel that sits between them. The > two metals can be sheets, or "basically any physical format". Shaun > compares the resulting combination of components to a galvanic cell. > However, in a galvanic cell, the chemical agent would be chemically eroding > the other components; but in the Orbo battery, the chemical layer is > completely inert and has no chemical interactions with the magnets. > > The process of producing an Orbo battery involves taking these three > layers, two dissimilar metals separated by a chemical (the formula of which > is "not that simple"), heating them up to just beyond the melting point of > the chemical, and then very slowly cooling them, which allows the chemical > gel to retain an electric field that is impressed up it. The result is that > a permanent electric field is "frozen" into the gel material, with positive > and negative poles. This polarized electric field then interacts with the > two dissimilar metals to generate an electric current, in a way that is > analogous to how the magnetic fields in the "classic" perpetual motion > machine Orbo interacted with one another to generate force. The electric > field frozen into the gel material works in a way that parallels the frozen > magnetic fields of permanent magnets. The term for a device with this sort > of permanently frozen electric field is "electret", a portmanteau of > "electric" and "magnet". > > Shaun states that when polarized the right way, "what you end up with is > something that is positive and negative." "It doesn't matter what you do to > me, I will always polarize." The Orbo battery is thus an electric field > version of the original magnetic Orbo. "So it is consistent, similar, and > in many ways an incredibly simple piece of technology." > > According to Shaun, Steorn's first battery prototypes were built > approximately 2 years ago, and are still outputting power 24/7. Shaun says, > "we know theoretically these materials will hold an electric field for > circa 800 years." ( > http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/10/new_video_reveals_internals_of_orbo_powe.html > ) > > > On 25 January 2016 at 22:26, H Veeder wrote: > >> This new Orbo product is reputed to employ "electrets" - a material that >> retains a dialectric charge for hundreds years - which is the electric >> equivalent of a permanent magnet. A lot of research is being done on >> electrets for use in energy harvesting, so this time Steorn may be >> marketing a product that is consistent with established physics. >> >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting#Electrostatic_.28capacitive.29 >> Another solution consists in using electrets, that are electrically >> charged dielectrics able to keep the polarization on the capacitor for >> years.[51] It's possible to adapt structures from classical electrostatic >> induction generators, which also extract energy from variable capacitances, >> for this purpose. The resulting devices are self-biasing, and can directly >> charge batteries, or can produce exponentially growing voltages on storage >> capacitors, from which energy can be periodically extracted by DC/DC >> converters. >> >> >> Harry >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Che wrote: >> >>> A kinder, gentler hatchet-job. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:31 PM, H Veeder wrote: >>> Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery Is Steorn’s Orbo technology a non-polluting, supercheap source of power – or a delusion ? (article and video) http://www.irishtimes.com/business/fact-or-fiction-irish-firm-invents-everlasting-battery-1.2506832 Harry >>> >> > > > -- > --- > http://twitter.com/esaruoho // http://lackluster.bandcamp.com // > +358403703659 // > skype:esajuhaniruoho // http://esaruoho.tumblr.com/ // iMessage: > esaru...@gmail.com // >
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
Harry, they've stated that it will work inside a Faraday cage, so it's not an energy-harvester using RF as power-source, like the ADGEX ELFE and the forthcoming ADGEX Tachyon products will be. So we'll see. That leaked investor-video contained this nugget: "Shaun showed the internal components of a PowerCube, described how the energy generating Orbo power pack works, and even demonstrated the process of manufacturing a simple device of this kind. The Orbo battery (or power pack) is made up of three components: two dissimilar metals and a layer of chemical gel that sits between them. The two metals can be sheets, or "basically any physical format". Shaun compares the resulting combination of components to a galvanic cell. However, in a galvanic cell, the chemical agent would be chemically eroding the other components; but in the Orbo battery, the chemical layer is completely inert and has no chemical interactions with the magnets. The process of producing an Orbo battery involves taking these three layers, two dissimilar metals separated by a chemical (the formula of which is "not that simple"), heating them up to just beyond the melting point of the chemical, and then very slowly cooling them, which allows the chemical gel to retain an electric field that is impressed up it. The result is that a permanent electric field is "frozen" into the gel material, with positive and negative poles. This polarized electric field then interacts with the two dissimilar metals to generate an electric current, in a way that is analogous to how the magnetic fields in the "classic" perpetual motion machine Orbo interacted with one another to generate force. The electric field frozen into the gel material works in a way that parallels the frozen magnetic fields of permanent magnets. The term for a device with this sort of permanently frozen electric field is "electret", a portmanteau of "electric" and "magnet". Shaun states that when polarized the right way, "what you end up with is something that is positive and negative." "It doesn't matter what you do to me, I will always polarize." The Orbo battery is thus an electric field version of the original magnetic Orbo. "So it is consistent, similar, and in many ways an incredibly simple piece of technology." According to Shaun, Steorn's first battery prototypes were built approximately 2 years ago, and are still outputting power 24/7. Shaun says, "we know theoretically these materials will hold an electric field for circa 800 years." ( http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/10/new_video_reveals_internals_of_orbo_powe.html ) On 25 January 2016 at 22:26, H Veeder wrote: > This new Orbo product is reputed to employ "electrets" - a material that > retains a dialectric charge for hundreds years - which is the electric > equivalent of a permanent magnet. A lot of research is being done on > electrets for use in energy harvesting, so this time Steorn may be > marketing a product that is consistent with established physics. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting#Electrostatic_.28capacitive.29 > Another solution consists in using electrets, that are electrically > charged dielectrics able to keep the polarization on the capacitor for > years.[51] It's possible to adapt structures from classical electrostatic > induction generators, which also extract energy from variable capacitances, > for this purpose. The resulting devices are self-biasing, and can directly > charge batteries, or can produce exponentially growing voltages on storage > capacitors, from which energy can be periodically extracted by DC/DC > converters. > > > Harry > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Che wrote: > >> A kinder, gentler hatchet-job. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:31 PM, H Veeder wrote: >> >>> Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery >>> >>> Is Steorn’s Orbo technology a non-polluting, supercheap source of power >>> – or a delusion ? >>> >>> (article and video) >>> >>> >>> http://www.irishtimes.com/business/fact-or-fiction-irish-firm-invents-everlasting-battery-1.2506832 >>> >>> >>> Harry >>> >>> >> > -- --- http://twitter.com/esaruoho // http://lackluster.bandcamp.com // +358403703659 // skype:esajuhaniruoho // http://esaruoho.tumblr.com/ // iMessage: esaru...@gmail.com //
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This new Orbo product is reputed to employ "electrets" - a material that retains a dialectric charge for hundreds years - which is the electric equivalent of a permanent magnet. A lot of research is being done on electrets for use in energy harvesting, so this time Steorn may be marketing a product that is consistent with established physics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting#Electrostatic_.28capacitive.29 Another solution consists in using electrets, that are electrically charged dielectrics able to keep the polarization on the capacitor for years.[51] It's possible to adapt structures from classical electrostatic induction generators, which also extract energy from variable capacitances, for this purpose. The resulting devices are self-biasing, and can directly charge batteries, or can produce exponentially growing voltages on storage capacitors, from which energy can be periodically extracted by DC/DC converters. Harry On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Che wrote: > A kinder, gentler hatchet-job. > > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:31 PM, H Veeder wrote: > >> Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery >> >> Is Steorn’s Orbo technology a non-polluting, supercheap source of power – >> or a delusion ? >> >> (article and video) >> >> >> http://www.irishtimes.com/business/fact-or-fiction-irish-firm-invents-everlasting-battery-1.2506832 >> >> >> Harry >> >> >
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Quite a few people on the web have ordered these and will give them a whirl. Including a few Finns who are taking them to an university and having scientists look at them. It looks like this is really progressing and we will definitely know within the next 3 months whether there's anything in there. I tend to think that it is a working tech, albeit only the first beginnings of what this tech could do. Shaun McCarthy says it's just "three strips of metal and two wires". Unlike the scientist who keeps saying it's impossible, and claims that there cannot be any energy being produced -- it's not an energy-from-nothing-production-device, it _receives_ energy from somewhere. I don't mind if they think it's dark energy or energy from the vacuum, the trickle of energy that is received by the multilayered metallic pack is fed to a Lithium-Ion battery and can then be discharged into charging a smartphone or an iPad via the USB-connection. I'd buy one in a split second, me, if I had the 1200€ + postage. here are some transcripts I've written down from a while ago: http://freeenergy.news/steorn/steorn-o-cube-webinar-full-transcript/ http://freeenergy.news/steorn-webinar-ii-orbo-products-full-transcript/ On 25 January 2016 at 19:31, H Veeder wrote: > Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery > > Is Steorn’s Orbo technology a non-polluting, supercheap source of power – > or a delusion ? > > (article and video) > > > http://www.irishtimes.com/business/fact-or-fiction-irish-firm-invents-everlasting-battery-1.2506832 > > > Harry > > -- --- http://twitter.com/esaruoho // http://lackluster.bandcamp.com // +358403703659 // skype:esajuhaniruoho // http://esaruoho.tumblr.com/ // iMessage: esaru...@gmail.com //
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A kinder, gentler hatchet-job. On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:31 PM, H Veeder wrote: > Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery > > Is Steorn’s Orbo technology a non-polluting, supercheap source of power – > or a delusion ? > > (article and video) > > > http://www.irishtimes.com/business/fact-or-fiction-irish-firm-invents-everlasting-battery-1.2506832 > > > Harry > >
Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
Mary Yugo has been after all OU from the very first day Steorn came to our attention. On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:31 PM, H Veeder wrote: > Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery > > Is Steorn’s Orbo technology a non-polluting, supercheap source of power – > or a delusion ? > > (article and video) > > > http://www.irishtimes.com/business/fact-or-fiction-irish-firm-invents-everlasting-battery-1.2506832 > > > Harry > >
