Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[stewart]

 Larry,

 vtcl could be extended to do this. 1.2 and 1.3 have a rudimentary
 widget extension capability. 1.3 is a little better because it has
 the ability to maintain the palettes separately (unfortunately it's
 not in a running state :).

 Stewart

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Larry W. Virden wrote:

> From: cgavin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > - I will remove the dependency from Itcl
> 
> 
> What I would love to see is vtcl with the ability to look at the current tcl
> environment, determine what widgets are available, and then to make any of
> the widgets - whether iwidgets, tktable, etc. - all available...
> -- 
> Larry W. Virden 
> http://www.purl.org/NET/lvirden/>
> Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should 
> be construed as representing my employer's opinions.
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Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[stewart]

 Christian,

 good plan. your headaches w/ unix vs. windows are something I'm
 very familiar with. I punted on some features like focus/update
 because it was unreliable. I look forward to the patches and will
 make an attempt to get them merged into sourceforce within a day
 of receipt.

 Stewart

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, cgavin wrote:

> Stewart,
> 
> I am really sorry about the copyright issue. I didn't intend to
> violate your rights. I am new to the GPL and you are right,
> the copyright notice must be kept intact.
> 
> I have restored the title image as well as all the headers.
> 
> I have added a line in the about box that says "Maintained by".
> We could have a credits dialog with names.
> 
> Thanks for your feedback. What do you think of the following plan:
> 
> - I will complete the font manager
> 
> - I will remove the dependency from Itcl
> 
> - I will add an option for an "Image editor" in the Preferences.
> 
> - I need to do some modifications to make my changes more modular
> 
> - Once this is done (I hope in a few days), I will do a diff with
> 1.2 and send you the result, so that you can integrate it. I have
> tried to indicate my changes in source files as much as possible 
> with comments.
> 
> The focus in/out events to set a property as soon as you click outside
> an entry field are still giving me headaches... it is hard to handle
> a sequence of events whose order you don't know (it's different
> under Windows). Apparently in some cases if you select a widget
> in the tree the variable vTcl(w,widget) is not set correctly and my
> code tries to set a non-existent property for a widget. Sometimes
> you click outside the properties dialog and you get a "Property
> does not exist" type of message. I am sure this can be solved.
> 
> A message in the list pointed out that there is a 1.3 codebase. Are
> my changes too deep to be integrated into 1.3 ? What if 1.2 gets
> developed in parallel with 1.3 ?
> 
> Other than that, I think vTcl is a great software (and it is free) !
> Compare it to Visual Studio 6.0 where you need to browse 1 Gig of
> documentation to know how to change the background color of a control.
> 
> Christian Gavin
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Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[Robert W. Techentin]

"Larry W. Virden" wrote:
> 
> From: cgavin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > - I will remove the dependency from Itcl
> 
> What I would love to see is vtcl with the ability to look at the current tcl
> environment, determine what widgets are available, and then to make any of
> the widgets - whether iwidgets, tktable, etc. - all available...
> --

I agree with Larry.  UIM/X was (is) a MOTIF gui builder with many nice
features, including "palettes" of widgets.  You could add new widget
sets - by recompiling, of course - but the concept was very useful.  You
could also display the widgets in the palette by icon, name, or both.

Bob
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Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[Rick Macdonald]

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Larry W. Virden wrote:

> From: cgavin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > - I will remove the dependency from Itcl
> 
> 
> What I would love to see is vtcl with the ability to look at the current tcl
> environment, determine what widgets are available, and then to make any of
> the widgets - whether iwidgets, tktable, etc. - all available...

Indeed!

But add to that a per-project preference to turn off features. This way,
in an environment that has [a-zA-Z]widgets, you can easily turn certain
ones off when you need to develop an app with a target environment that
does _not_ have those features.

On a quiet day, you can here the features creep...

...RickM...

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Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[Larry W. Virden]

From: cgavin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> - I will remove the dependency from Itcl


What I would love to see is vtcl with the ability to look at the current tcl
environment, determine what widgets are available, and then to make any of
the widgets - whether iwidgets, tktable, etc. - all available...
-- 
Larry W. Virden 
http://www.purl.org/NET/lvirden/>
Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should 
be construed as representing my employer's opinions.
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Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[cgavin]

Stewart,

I am really sorry about the copyright issue. I didn't intend to
violate your rights. I am new to the GPL and you are right,
the copyright notice must be kept intact.

I have restored the title image as well as all the headers.

I have added a line in the about box that says "Maintained by".
We could have a credits dialog with names.

Thanks for your feedback. What do you think of the following plan:

- I will complete the font manager

- I will remove the dependency from Itcl

- I will add an option for an "Image editor" in the Preferences.

- I need to do some modifications to make my changes more modular

- Once this is done (I hope in a few days), I will do a diff with
1.2 and send you the result, so that you can integrate it. I have
tried to indicate my changes in source files as much as possible 
with comments.

The focus in/out events to set a property as soon as you click outside
an entry field are still giving me headaches... it is hard to handle
a sequence of events whose order you don't know (it's different
under Windows). Apparently in some cases if you select a widget
in the tree the variable vTcl(w,widget) is not set correctly and my
code tries to set a non-existent property for a widget. Sometimes
you click outside the properties dialog and you get a "Property
does not exist" type of message. I am sure this can be solved.

A message in the list pointed out that there is a 1.3 codebase. Are
my changes too deep to be integrated into 1.3 ? What if 1.2 gets
developed in parallel with 1.3 ?

Other than that, I think vTcl is a great software (and it is free) !
Compare it to Visual Studio 6.0 where you need to browse 1 Gig of
documentation to know how to change the background color of a control.

Christian Gavin
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Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[cgavin]

We sure could. I have tons of ideas but I am not going to be
able to implement all of them by myself :-)

Also I think we need a complete documentation to vTcl plus
some artwork for new features (I don't have any artistic 
capabilities).

Christian

Rick Macdonald wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, cgavin wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have started working on my own on Visual Tcl 1.2 and I saw there is a
> > lot
> > of interest in it.
> >
> > I would be very interested to continue the development.
> >
> > Here is what I already added:
> 
> Well! We now have two people (Chritian and Fabien) actively adding lots of
> good stuff to vTcl.
> 
> What shall come of this? Can you two work together?
> 
> ...RickM...
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Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[Gary Thibodeaux]

I agree, with Eric, but I just downloaded " Christian Gavin " version and
the two seem to have alot in common.  Granted I have not been able to use
Christian's release appearently his release require other widgets that were
not needed or require by the 1.2 version.

Christian could you provide a list or requirements that would enable us to
use your release.

I also understand that Fabien COUTANT has a new release as well, may be you
could post your release for review as well.

Thanks Guys.

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Bresie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2


> Don't know if there is a future planned re-write or not but do you have
> patch files that might be able to be used on the existing 1.3 code?  There
> may be some signiciant changes between 1.2 and 1.3 though so that is my
> concern.
>
> Or does the group as a whole think it would be better to start development
> again based on 1.2?  I would hate for all the 1.3 work to go to waste.
>
> You might check on the cvs tree at sourceforge with the current version at
>
> http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=285
>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 1:39 AM
> > Subject: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2
> >
> > I have started working on my own on Visual Tcl 1.2 and I saw there is a
> lot
> > of interest in it.
> >
> > I would be very interested to continue the development.
> >
> > Here is what I already added:
> >
> 
>
> > Christian Gavin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > I have posted a copy of my Visual Tcl at
> >
> > http://www.dnai.com/~cgavin/vtcl/download
> >
> > I would welcome comments, remarks, etc.!
> >
> > For now it requires Itcl but I am going to rewrite the few lines of
> > code in the image manager that use Itcl to use standard Tcl/Tk instead.
>
> There was talk of possibly using iTcl for the new stuff..so maybe this is
a
> starting point, unless the development team is sure they don't want to
make
> iTcl as part of it.
>
> Eric Bresie
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[Gary Thibodeaux]

I just jointed the mailing list .  Could I ask for a copy of your updates.


- Original Message -
From: "Rick Macdonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "cgavin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Fabien COUTANT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2


> On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, cgavin wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have started working on my own on Visual Tcl 1.2 and I saw there is a
> > lot
> > of interest in it.
> >
> > I would be very interested to continue the development.
> >
> > Here is what I already added:
>
> Well! We now have two people (Chritian and Fabien) actively adding lots of
> good stuff to vTcl.
>
> What shall come of this? Can you two work together?
>
> ...RickM...
>
>
> --
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Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[ralph . mccord]

Atta Boy!
Thank You for your efforts.
Tie in with Stewart so that we all will be on the same page.
Now while your at it, you can download 1.3 and fix some of the bug's.
Stewart is swamped and like many of us has no time.

Thanks again.

Regards
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cgavin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 03/23/2000 02:38:30 AM

Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:(bcc: Ralph McCord/CIMG/CVG)
Subject:  [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2




Hi,

I have started working on my own on Visual Tcl 1.2 and I saw there is a
lot
of interest in it.

I would be very interested to continue the development.

Here is what I already added:

- Added labels for widgets in widget tree, added automatic
refresh of widget tree when new widget is added or
widget deleted

- Current selected widget is highlighted in widget tree

- Added/checked support for the following Iwidgets:
 combobox, scrolledlistbox, spinint, calendar,
 dateentry, toolbar, entryfield, scrolledhtml

- Added syntax coloring to proc editor / command editor

- The command console under Linux now shows standard
output from commands issued by the user, plus the return
value too

- Properties are automatically set when the user clicks outside
an entry field

- Added image manager to maintain a list of stock images (eg.
always available to the program) and a list of user images (on a
per project basis). Added image selector.

- Added font selector. It does not have a font manager yet but
that could be added too.

- When saving a project under Linux, makes it executable
automatically.

I was planning to do the following:

- Add font manager

- Inline images so that the project file is self-contained

- Entirely rewrite the menu editor, which is not very usable right now

- Rewrite the bindings editor too

- Add syntax assist a la Microsoft, for example it would give you a
list of commands or properties for an object while you type

- Add support for FreeWrap, which would allow to generate stand-alone
executables under Linux and Windows.

- More bug fixes.

Christian Gavin

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have posted a copy of my Visual Tcl at

http://www.dnai.com/~cgavin/vtcl/download

I would welcome comments, remarks, etc.!

For now it requires Itcl but I am going to rewrite the few lines of
code in the image manager that use Itcl to use standard Tcl/Tk instead.
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Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[stewart]

 Christian,

 These look like great additions. I like the syntax highlighting. The
 widget tree highlighting is white on grey, though which is hard to see.
 I found one bug with the update which causes errors if you do not
 select File->New before inserting widgets (minor). I would also add a
 preference for image editor so vtcl can still run on windows; it would
 be possible to detect platform and default to gimp on unix and paint
 on windows.

 You need to be careful about the copyrights. It would be appropriate
 now to add a MAINTAINERS file with a list of credits. You cannot modify
 the copyright on any file which I originally authored (this includes the
 startup GIF).

 I would like to fold these (and other) changes into the main source
 base on sourceforge so there is a single point of distribution. Your
 new files do not contain copyright or licensing (GPL) info so I can't
 fold them in in their current form. Please submit diffs against 1.2
 or change the files on your site so I can re-download if you want me
 to merge in the changes.

 Again, this looks like great stuff and I think it adds tremendous
 value to the 1.2 base.

 Stewart


On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, cgavin wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have started working on my own on Visual Tcl 1.2 and I saw there is a
> lot
> of interest in it.
> 
> I would be very interested to continue the development.
> 
> Here is what I already added:
> 
> - Added labels for widgets in widget tree, added automatic
> refresh of widget tree when new widget is added or
> widget deleted
> 
> - Current selected widget is highlighted in widget tree
> 
> - Added/checked support for the following Iwidgets:
>  combobox, scrolledlistbox, spinint, calendar,
>  dateentry, toolbar, entryfield, scrolledhtml
> 
> - Added syntax coloring to proc editor / command editor
> 
> - The command console under Linux now shows standard
> output from commands issued by the user, plus the return
> value too
> 
> - Properties are automatically set when the user clicks outside
> an entry field
> 
> - Added image manager to maintain a list of stock images (eg.
> always available to the program) and a list of user images (on a
> per project basis). Added image selector.
> 
> - Added font selector. It does not have a font manager yet but
> that could be added too.
> 
> - When saving a project under Linux, makes it executable
> automatically.
> 
> I was planning to do the following:
> 
> - Add font manager
> 
> - Inline images so that the project file is self-contained
> 
> - Entirely rewrite the menu editor, which is not very usable right now
> 
> - Rewrite the bindings editor too
> 
> - Add syntax assist a la Microsoft, for example it would give you a
> list of commands or properties for an object while you type
> 
> - Add support for FreeWrap, which would allow to generate stand-alone
> executables under Linux and Windows.
> 
> - More bug fixes.
> 
> Christian Gavin
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> I have posted a copy of my Visual Tcl at
> 
> http://www.dnai.com/~cgavin/vtcl/download
> 
> I would welcome comments, remarks, etc.!
> 
> For now it requires Itcl but I am going to rewrite the few lines of
> code in the image manager that use Itcl to use standard Tcl/Tk instead.
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Re: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[Rick Macdonald]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, cgavin wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have started working on my own on Visual Tcl 1.2 and I saw there is a
> lot
> of interest in it.
> 
> I would be very interested to continue the development.
> 
> Here is what I already added:

Well! We now have two people (Chritian and Fabien) actively adding lots of
good stuff to vTcl.

What shall come of this? Can you two work together?

...RickM...


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RE: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[Eric Bresie]

Don't know if there is a future planned re-write or not but do you have
patch files that might be able to be used on the existing 1.3 code?  There
may be some signiciant changes between 1.2 and 1.3 though so that is my
concern.

Or does the group as a whole think it would be better to start development
again based on 1.2?  I would hate for all the 1.3 work to go to waste.

You might check on the cvs tree at sourceforge with the current version at

http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=285

> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 1:39 AM
> Subject: [vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2
>
> I have started working on my own on Visual Tcl 1.2 and I saw there is a
lot
> of interest in it.
>
> I would be very interested to continue the development.
>
> Here is what I already added:
>


> Christian Gavin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I have posted a copy of my Visual Tcl at
>
> http://www.dnai.com/~cgavin/vtcl/download
>
> I would welcome comments, remarks, etc.!
>
> For now it requires Itcl but I am going to rewrite the few lines of
> code in the image manager that use Itcl to use standard Tcl/Tk instead.

There was talk of possibly using iTcl for the new stuff..so maybe this is a
starting point, unless the development team is sure they don't want to make
iTcl as part of it.

Eric Bresie
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[vtcl] I would like to maintain Visual Tcl 1.2

[cgavin]

Hi,

I have started working on my own on Visual Tcl 1.2 and I saw there is a
lot
of interest in it.

I would be very interested to continue the development.

Here is what I already added:

- Added labels for widgets in widget tree, added automatic
refresh of widget tree when new widget is added or
widget deleted

- Current selected widget is highlighted in widget tree

- Added/checked support for the following Iwidgets:
 combobox, scrolledlistbox, spinint, calendar,
 dateentry, toolbar, entryfield, scrolledhtml

- Added syntax coloring to proc editor / command editor

- The command console under Linux now shows standard
output from commands issued by the user, plus the return
value too

- Properties are automatically set when the user clicks outside
an entry field

- Added image manager to maintain a list of stock images (eg.
always available to the program) and a list of user images (on a
per project basis). Added image selector.

- Added font selector. It does not have a font manager yet but
that could be added too.

- When saving a project under Linux, makes it executable
automatically.

I was planning to do the following:

- Add font manager

- Inline images so that the project file is self-contained

- Entirely rewrite the menu editor, which is not very usable right now

- Rewrite the bindings editor too

- Add syntax assist a la Microsoft, for example it would give you a
list of commands or properties for an object while you type

- Add support for FreeWrap, which would allow to generate stand-alone
executables under Linux and Windows.

- More bug fixes.

Christian Gavin

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have posted a copy of my Visual Tcl at

http://www.dnai.com/~cgavin/vtcl/download

I would welcome comments, remarks, etc.!

For now it requires Itcl but I am going to rewrite the few lines of
code in the image manager that use Itcl to use standard Tcl/Tk instead.
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