Apple Prices

[John Currie]

Youse young barstewards dont know when you're alive

I paid $4000 in 1984 for my first 128k RAM Mac no hard drive and 400k
floppy disks
I paid another $4000 for the Mac Plus 1mb RAM still no hard drive
I paid $10,000 for a MAC II Colour Screen !! 20 Mb hard drive !!

Perhaps I should have waited But then if we had all done that youse would
all be running Microsoft DOS from a command line

Now as a pensioner I can't afford to upgrade my Performa 5400/160

send donations or handkerchiefs

I would ask seriously however whether Windows machines are priced in WA
lower than you would expect if you applied the Apple percentage to the
USA prices for such machines

John

RE: new iMac (i want one)

[Vikki Pedalina]

Yes, indeed... we always know when we want something - that's the moment we
see Steve having so much fun in front of that huge audience! Cubes, spheres,
dual processors, TiBooks... oh yes, we love 'em all ;-)

Since 1998, my slogan for the Apple iMac has been:

'I think, therefore iMac'

... and I'm surprised Steve hasn't built it into the past couple of
keynotes, maybe he doesn't read our posts as often as we'd like ;-)

Thanks to everyone who stayed up and turned up last night to make it an
enjoyable experience. Special thanks to Matt and Martin, rally drivers of
the 2 PowerMac G4s with Airport base station! 
In case you missed any of the show, you can go to the site and watch replays
of the event today:

http://stream.apple.akads.net/

Also - take a look at the fun cartoon-commentary on the new products:

http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/278.html

Vikki 
- Where's that 'sleep' function...?

> --
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2002 9:51 AM
> To: WAMUG
> Subject: new iMac (i want one)
> 
> Hi All
> 
> so tired
> 
> oh well but i love it all . When i saw the new iMac which pictures where 
> released through TIME CANADA i wasn't too sure about the design,but 
> when i got see this morinings key note , and keep looking at , I really 
> love it.
> I want one,
> Something from 2001
> maybe they should of call it iMac Odessey.(will i dream)
> 
> Thanks Guys for the Keynote setup.
> 
> Bart
> 
> no iWalker maybe next time Steve
> 
> 
> 

An american report on the new Imac

[Bob Howells]

Just another viewpoint of the new imacs








Have fun

Bob

Viewing VCD's

[Dark Servant]

My cousin recently made me a copy of a movie that he downloaded from the
internet. He was using a PC and could view the movie perfectly but it will
not run on my computer.
It has been put on a CD and there are 3 visible folders in the CD (AVI, NFO,
SFV).
I have tried downloading some codecs and stuff like that using
versiontracker but have not been able to get the movie to play.

Any help would be appreciated

Ruben A. Franke

Re: What the...

[Brett Carboni]

> This whole discussion thread is probably fairly pointless - Apple is
> a US-based company. They'll have a tendency to price things in US

Yes, but Andrew, it seems to be a tradition that we have this discussion
after every major product release from Apple. It's the rder of things around
here. Don't rock the boat.

I'm just a little sad that the iPodton never eventuated :-( (don't say
*anything* Onno)

Brett Carboni
Tsunami
"Bring back the Newton, Tetsuya!"

WAMUG KeyNote Pictures

[bartusa]

Hi All
here are those picture i took

Just some quick picture i took early this morning At Curtin of our 
members watching the Key Note, The Web Page is 
http://homepage.mac.com/bartraffaele/PhotoAlbum7.html

This was all done using Apples new free software IPhoto which can be 
downloaded @ http://www.apple.com/iphoto/.

Seeya

Bart
Now to catch up on some sleep
and Dream about which iMac to get or ibook,Ti book.



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Digital Cameras

[Brad & Jo]

Hello wamug,

Love the new desklamp, sorry iMac.

I actually didn't like it at first, but the more I looked at it on quicktime
VR, the more I liked it. Can't wait to see it in the flesh, so to speak.

Anyway, well before I can afford one of them, I need a digital camera for my
iMac.
Any advice on what I should be looking for. If possible, one I can send live
pictures over the web with as well as taking pictures.

Especially any advice on Kodak products welcome, as I may have a credit.


Thanks in advance
-- 

Brad Hames
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
08 9438 1894

Retrospect for OSX

[Matthew Healey]

Just thought you all might like to know that Retrospect is now available in
public preview form for OSX.



:-)

Regards

Matthew Healey

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New Stuff

[ssagan1]

I just helped out my Motherinlaw with her new Dell. On it there was a program 
that seemed similar to iPhoto. It seems that Apple was caught napping and had 
to play catch up. I need to get my first portable and wish but feel that if 
they announce a speed bump soon, I will have missed the boat. That is, 
getting a computer that loosed value instantly before getting my money out of 
it. This is just a feeling. With the iMac G4 announcement, one MUST to be 
around the corner.

Sincerely; Stan

RE: What the...

[Andrew Nielsen]

At 09:47 +0800 08/01/2002, Darren Kam wrote:

Surely the US price includes all their taxes etc...


 Ever been to the US and been shopping? Each state can have 
different taxes. And they're often added _at the till_ rather than 
included on the sticker price.


This whole discussion thread is probably fairly pointless - Apple is 
a US-based company. They'll have a tendency to price things in US 
dollars and work it out from there. Importing goods into other 
countries attracts shipping and taxes and other costs that are 
unavoidable. Apple Australia accounts for approximately 1% (that's 
ONE percent) of Apple's worldwide revenue. WA accounts for 
approximately 10% of that (last I saw). Troy's comments about 
cross-subsidies from larger markets are probably pretty accurate...

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Starfish Technologies Pty Ltd 
ACN 076 426 714 / ABN 49 426 849 601 Tel: 0500 555 677
Consultants in Unix, Mac OS, Windows & networking technologies

FS: iBook

[Larry Pohl]

Hi Guys, 

The serious post x-mas spending spree is catching up. (Boy's got his PS 2,
the Girl her stereo system)

I have an iBook (Indigo/366/320MB) that I don't really use enough to justify
it's sitting on a little table so the kids can use MS messenger. I'll
seriously talk to people privately about their new ownership of this piece.

Larry

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PO Box 386
Kalamunda
WA 6926
AUSTRALIA
Tel/Fax: (08) 9291 3162
Mobile: 0403 365955

G3 Powerbook for Sale

[tmharding]

Hi,

I'm posting for a friend who has a G3 400 Mhz 256RAM 20Gb HD 
Powerbook for sale. Please contact him at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you require any info or hopefully want to 
make an offer.


Cheers
T

G3 Powerbook for Sale

[tmharding]

Hi,

I'm posting for a friend who has a G3 400 Mhz 256RAM 20Gb HD 
Powerbook for sale. Please contact him at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you require any info or hopefully want to 
make an offer.


Cheers
T

Re: What the...

[Larry Pohl]

On 8/1/02 10:28 AM, "Nathalie Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Hi All!
> 
> I just want to add to this discussion as someone who lived in the US for 17
> years...
> 
> Darren makes an excellent point. The advertised prices in the USA EXCLUDE
> state GST which (in the state of Florida) is 6.5% but in other states can
> get as high as 13%.
> 
> In the US, when a product is on the shelf, the price marked doesn't include
> GST; it gets added on at the point of sale.
> 
> Online purchases have mostly been tax free (if the item is shipped to a
> different state than the vendor) but that is slowly changing as more and
> more US states are requiring tax be paid to them for items shipped into
> their state.
> 
> Some states have 0% GST, so you won't necessarily pay more, but you will
> most likely unless you choose to travel to a GST free state.
> 
> As for the cost disparity between the US and Australia, that exists with
> every kind of computer equipment, regardless of manufacturer, as well as
> books, CDs, food, cars, petrol, and a variety of other items.
> 
> (Example: Mass Market Paperbacks in the USA $5.99; in Australia $17.99. If
> you take into account currency exchange, the cost should be about $14...not
> $18.)
> 
> That being said we pay about 10% of what folks in the USA pay for education,
> health, medicines, and training.
> 
> I did the math once; what I was overpaying for my luxuries I was saving on
> my essentials. :-).
> 
> Regards,
> Nathalie
> 

Good point as well, Nathalie - especially about essentials being a much
better deal here in OZ. And they are. I lived in Canada some time ago and
most Provinces (States) had a Sales Tax as well.

On the other hand, there is also a difference with what what you can
actually buy with your "wages" in different places. For example, when I had
a look at this for other reasons, I found material showing that using Zurich
as the index (=100), net wages in Sydney, for example, (probably the highest
waged city in Australia) are at about 53. New York is about 97 and Chicago
about 92. Net wages take into account such things as local taxes, social
security etc. So, in the most general terms we in Australia are not "waged"
as well as some other places, including the US.

So the size of a person's income is less important than what that income can
purchase - that is, what can that person afford to buy.

On a purchasing power basis, again using Zurich as the index, New York and
Chicago rate nearly equal at around 93-94. Sydney on the other hand comes in
at 75 ( London at about 70). Again this is based on net figures taking into
account taxes etc. So along with our generally lower wages, we cannot buy as
much with them.

Of course there is also the question of the value of the Australian dollar.
Looking at some figures (April 2001) from the Economist's Big Mac Index, it
seems that the Oz dollar is undervalued by some 40% in global terms.

Finally, there are the normal business rip offs (pardon my outburst) and
business deals in operation. For example, two years ago I needed to buy
EndNote software. It was downloadable from the developer's site for a sum of
money I don't exactly recall. EXCEPT if you lived in Australia and one or
two other countries, I think. If you lived in these countries you had to
deal with the local/regional exclusive distributor and buy a boxed copy.
Currency fluctuations and other things may have changed since that time but
when I did purchase, it cost me around AUS$100 more to buy it.

I think that Apple can be so US-centric that while they may have the "bigger
picture" sorted out in some ways, it doesn't mean much to me in terms of
pricing.


So that's my 0.02 for the moment.

Larry

refs:
some URLs no longer work; I do have some of the documents though.

FW: What the...

[Nathalie Collins]

Hi All!

I just want to add to this discussion as someone who lived in the US for 17
years...

Darren makes an excellent point. The advertised prices in the USA EXCLUDE
state GST which (in the state of Florida) is 6.5% but in other states can
get as high as 13%.

In the US, when a product is on the shelf, the price marked doesn't include
GST; it gets added on at the point of sale.

Online purchases have mostly been tax free (if the item is shipped to a
different state than the vendor) but that is slowly changing as more and
more US states are requiring tax be paid to them for items shipped into
their state.

Some states have 0% GST, so you won't necessarily pay more, but you will
most likely unless you choose to travel to a GST free state.

As for the cost disparity between the US and Australia, that exists with
every kind of computer equipment, regardless of manufacturer, as well as
books, CDs, food, cars, petrol, and a variety of other items.

(Example: Mass Market Paperbacks in the USA $5.99; in Australia $17.99. If
you take into account currency exchange, the cost should be about $14...not
$18.)

That being said we pay about 10% of what folks in the USA pay for education,
health, medicines, and training.

I did the math once; what I was overpaying for my luxuries I was saving on
my essentials. :-).

Regards,
Nathalie



On 8/1/02 9:47 AM, "Darren Kam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Apparently the higher prices of Apple equipment here in Australia has hit a
> nerve. :) 
> 
> Surely the US price includes all their taxes etc... thus I don't really
> think that Apple Australia should slug a further 10% on top of that. Sure,
> factor in the GST, but factor it in based on the cost price of the iMac, not
> the US retail price.
> 
> I agree that the freight costs are more, but 6% per person? That's a pretty
> hefty additional cost (I don't know how many macs were sold in Aust last
> year, but if you charged an additional 6% on each one, you're bound to cover
> costs of advertising + profit + free donuts for Apple staff) Makes you want
> to study or work for Apple so you can get a discount. :)
> 
> Oh, and the bigger screened iBook and having Mac OS X as the default OS has
> somehow all been pushed aside in favour of the new iMac. :) I am very
> surprised there was no mention of speed bumped PowerMacs though - the top
> end iMac gets pretty close to having the same power as a QuickSilver
> PowerMac. Congrats to Apple for putting a G4 in the iMacs though!
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> PS: Having just watched the webcast the really big news for me is that Apple
> have thrown the switch and Mac OS X is now *THE* Apple operating system! How
> come no one made much mention of that?
>

Re: What the...

[Shay Telfer]

PS: Having just watched the webcast the really big news for me is that Apple
have thrown the switch and Mac OS X is now *THE* Apple operating system! How
come no one made much mention of that?


Ignorance is bliss...

Have fun,
Shay
--
=== Shay Telfer 
Perth, Western Australia Technomancer Sponsor WA's Solar Car
Opinions for hire [POQ] Sungroper
[EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord 

Re: What the...

[Troy May]

Darren Kam on 08/01/02 12:47 PM, wrote:

> Apparently the higher prices of Apple equipment here in Australia has hit a
> nerve. :) 
Inquiring minds like to look at these kinds of things ;-)

> Surely the US price includes all their taxes etc... thus I don't really
> think that Apple Australia should slug a further 10% on top of that. Sure,
> factor in the GST, but factor it in based on the cost price of the iMac, not
> the US retail price.
I imagine that Apple Australia does do their calculations based on the cost
price of the units, they _have_ to in order to correctly work out the GST as
noted in the earlier formula.

> I agree that the freight costs are more, but 6% per person? That's a pretty
> hefty additional cost (I don't know how many macs were sold in Aust last
> year, but if you charged an additional 6% on each one, you're bound to cover
> costs of advertising + profit + free donuts for Apple staff) Makes you want
> to study or work for Apple so you can get a discount. :)
I can't "Google" the exact figures for you at the moment but I do recall
that even proportionally Australia's sales were down on the corresponding US
figures i.e. 80 million Caliafornian's bought *more* than four times the
number of boxes 20 million Australian's bought. Does anyone have those
figures?

I very honestly doubt that the extra 6% turns up in Apple Australia's
pocket, you would be surprised at how much more costly a small market can be
to support especially when you thin it down and spread it out over a country
as large as ours.

Cheers
Troy.

Re: What the...

[Shay Telfer]

From my recollection of the keynote, Apple's top end new iMac comes
in at US $1799.

... so how on earth does this correlate to Apple Australia's pricing
on the same machine to be $4195?!

Say the exchange rate is around US$1 for AUST$0.50

$1799 * 2 = $3598, not $4195.

Once again, Apple Australia tacks on it's ridiculous extra margin -
can someone explain why we are paying an additional $600??


$3598 + $359.80 GST = $3957.80 which is $237.20 less than $4195. Not 
to mention that if there were any additional charges they'd have GST 
added to them as well.


Not that I wouldn't say no to lower prices though :)

Have fun,
Shay
--
=== Shay Telfer 
Perth, Western Australia Technomancer Sponsor WA's Solar Car
Opinions for hire [POQ] Sungroper
[EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord 

new iMac (i want one)

[bartusa]

Hi All

so tired

oh well but i love it all . When i saw the new iMac which pictures where 
realeased through TIME CANADA i wasn't too sure about the design,but 
when i got see this morinings key note , and keep looking at , I really 
love it.

I want one,
Something from 2001
maybe they should of call it iMac Odessey.(will i dream)

Thanks Guys for the Keynote setup.

Bart

no iWalker maybe next time Steve

RE: What the...

[Darren Kam]

Apparently the higher prices of Apple equipment here in Australia has hit a
nerve. :) 

Surely the US price includes all their taxes etc... thus I don't really
think that Apple Australia should slug a further 10% on top of that. Sure,
factor in the GST, but factor it in based on the cost price of the iMac, not
the US retail price.

I agree that the freight costs are more, but 6% per person? That's a pretty
hefty additional cost (I don't know how many macs were sold in Aust last
year, but if you charged an additional 6% on each one, you're bound to cover
costs of advertising + profit + free donuts for Apple staff) Makes you want
to study or work for Apple so you can get a discount. :)

Oh, and the bigger screened iBook and having Mac OS X as the default OS has
somehow all been pushed aside in favour of the new iMac. :) I am very
surprised there was no mention of speed bumped PowerMacs though - the top
end iMac gets pretty close to having the same power as a QuickSilver
PowerMac. Congrats to Apple for putting a G4 in the iMacs though!

-Original Message-

PS: Having just watched the webcast the really big news for me is that Apple
have thrown the switch and Mac OS X is now *THE* Apple operating system! How
come no one made much mention of that?

Re: What the...

[Troy May]

Warren Jones on 08/01/02 11:45 AM, wrote:

> To me, the prices seem ridiculous.
> 
> Freight costs should be ruled out as the cause of any significant
> difference since it shouldn't cost anymore to ship to Aus than US from
> Taiwan. The same goes for insurance costs.

No. Not all markets are the same and to compare the Australian market to the
US market in real world terms is just wrong.

It's a constant battle to *maintain* shipping services to Australia let
alone push freight rates down.

In manufacturing and distribution it's a numbers game if you have a market
with 250 million people spread over roughly the same geographic area as say
a market of 20 million people your distribution costs will be amortized over
the larger number and result in a lower per unit cost to your customers.

Not even including the higher cost, due to lower volumes, of getting the
product from Taiwan, China, Singapore, etc to here. Australia is a large
country that is very sparsely populated which equates to higher internal
shipping costs. Approx 12% of our annual GDP is in distribution compare that
to tourism which accounts for less than 6%.

Living in Perth, the worlds most geographically isolated city with a
potential market of what a million people? (a township by world standards)
and you wonder why you have to pay 6% more? I would suggest you're actually
receiving a subsidized price supported by the purchasing volumes in the
larger Eastern states markets.

Cheers
Troy.

PS: Having just watched the webcast the really big news for me is that Apple
have thrown the switch and Mac OS X is now *THE* Apple operating system! How
come no one made much mention of that?

Re: What the...

[Greg Hosking]

> Advertising. What advertising?

There's heaps. Every music-recording, graphic design (& probably digital
video & photography) magazine produced locally has a prime position
full-page or double page spread. Probably in lots of other mags I don't
read, too...

niche market = niche marketing

greg
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 08:57 , Greg Hosking wrote:
> 
>>> Can anyone properly explain the extra 6% (=$237/$3958).
>> 
>> perhaps there is some other cost factor, like, hmm, licensing, rent,
>> wages,
>> advertising, the need to make a profit, that kinda thing?
> 
> 

Re: Pricing Now Available

[Rod Lavington]

On 8/1/02 4:19 AM, "Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> Apple Australia now have the pricing for the machines up.
> 
> Specs and Prices as follows.
> 
> 
> iMac TFT 15" LCD. (Nice!)
> G4/700 128/40G/CDRW/NVidia GeForce2MX $2995
> Ships March
> G4/700 256/40G/Combo/NVidia GeForce2MX $3495
> Ships February
> G4/800 256/60G/SuperDrive/NVidia GeForce2MX $4195
> Ships January
> http://www.apple.com.au/imac
> 
> 
> Old Form iMac's (Price change)
> G3/500 128/20G/CDRW/Indigo $1895
> G3/600 256/40G/CDRW/Graphite or Snow $2195

Slight correction - 500 CD model is $1895 (with 128 meg), the 500 CDRW is
$1949 rrp. $50 for a burner is a bargain!

> iBook
> 
> G3/500 128/15G/CD/12.1" TFT $2795 (Price change)
> G3/600 128/20GB/Combo/12.1" TFT $3395
> G3/600 256/20G/Combo/14.1" TFT $3995 (Bigger screen)
> http://www.apple.com.au/ibook
> 

Seeya


Rod!
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Ph (08) 9301 5333

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Re: What the...

[Warren Jones]

Yes but those costs/profits would already be factored into the US price 
if using that as the base. Times 2 when converted in $A.


Advertising. What advertising?

On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 08:57 , Greg Hosking wrote:


Can anyone properly explain the extra 6% (=$237/$3958).


perhaps there is some other cost factor, like, hmm, licensing, rent, 
wages,

advertising, the need to make a profit, that kinda thing?

Re: What the...

[Greg Hosking]

> Can anyone properly explain the extra 6% (=$237/$3958).

perhaps there is some other cost factor, like, hmm, licensing, rent, wages,
advertising, the need to make a profit, that kinda thing?

Re: Opinions on the new stuff...

[hinchlif]

On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 08:10 AM, Rod Lavington wrote:

> The one thing I wish Apple had released was better Quicktime Streaming
> Services! Every time there was something big about to be announced, the
> connection would freeze! Did anyone else have this problem?
>
>
It came through my cable connection without missing a single beat. Very 
impressed!

--
Peter Hinchliffe
Apwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, 
Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482 Fax (618) 9332 0913

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.


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Time Article

[Duncan Hardman]

Steve obviously was not that pissed because did anyone notice they link to
the "Time" wesite off the Apple US Homepage!!

Duncan

Re: What the...

[Warren Jones]

To me, the prices seem ridiculous.

Freight costs should be ruled out as the cause of any significant 
difference since it shouldn't cost anymore to ship to Aus than US from 
Taiwan. The same goes for insurance costs.


Sure there's GST and I don't know what other duties are applied but I've 
never understood why Aus prices should be based directly on the US price 
since probably all hardware costs would come from Taiwan or other cheap 
labour country. Sure the cost and profit of the software and other IP 
needs to be paid in US$ and this is possibly the major part of the total 
cost of producing a Mac.


So even using Andrew's cost formula,  the extra $237 
($4195-$3958) must go towards paying for those Apple Aus commercials you 
see and hear in Australia all the time. 


Also, the US cost would include US-specific marketing costs which should 
be factored out for Aus price determination.


Can anyone properly explain the extra 6% (=$237/$3958). I know Apple 
doesn't have to explain their pricing policies, they can just charge 
what the market will bear. It would just be nice to have consistent 
pricing world-wide.


I certainly don't claim to be a pricing expert. This is just my 4.64 
cents worth (= 2 US cents + GST + the AppleAus factor)


woz


On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 07:30 , Troy May wrote:


Andrew Nielsen on 08/01/02 10:14 AM, wrote:


Once again, Apple Australia tacks on it's ridiculous extra margin -
can someone explain why we are paying an additional $600??


Apple Australia is going to lose me as a customer if they keep this 
up.



I don't know the specifics of their calculations, but do remember
that 10% GST has to be added to the base price.

USD 1799 * 2 = AUD 3598
Plus 10% GST = AUD 3958

Plus freight and customs duties.


Actually the formula for GST on imports is...

(FOB + Freight + Insurance + Duty) x 10 percent

when looking at today's freight rates, terminal handling charges, sky
rocketing insurance charges and several "Temporary Risk Surcharges" one 
can

easily see where the difference comes from.

Re: iPhoto... Sigh

[Troy May]

Rod Lavington on 08/01/02 11:03 AM, wrote:

> BTW, has anyone figured out yet how to get other photos into iPhoto ie.
> Already on your hard drive?

File menu > Import > chose the folder containing the pic's

Once you've imported some pic's you can see them stored in the "iPhoto's
Library" folder in your home Pictures folder. To back them up drag the
folder to another disk.

Cheers
Troy.

PS: The new look of the iMac is growing on me.

Opinions on the new stuff...

[Rod Lavington]

Hi All!

The one thing I wish Apple had released was better Quicktime Streaming
Services! Every time there was something big about to be announced, the
connection would freeze! Did anyone else have this problem?

Personally, I think the new iMacs look great! Combined with the current and
new iApps, Apple have definitely made a Digital Hub. Can't wait to see one
in the flesh!

And the new 14.1" iBook is going to be THE laptop for the year. Great price
matched with some descent specs and a big screen. Picks up where the Pismo
left off.

I would have been good to see Photoshop in action (thanks again to the
Streaming Gods). Did anyone get to see that running?

I think that the hype would have been justified in the lead up to the
announcements had Time not leaked the story. Even if they had just kept the
pictures of the site, as no one came close in picking what it was going to
look like.

To Infinity and Beyond!
(thanks Buzz!)

Seeya

Rod!

Re: iPhoto... Sigh

[Rod Lavington]

On 8/1/02 3:33 AM, "Shay Telfer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Says it all really:
> 
>> Ordering services are available in the U.S. and Canada only and
>> require the English-language version of iPhoto.
> 
> Have fun,
> Shay

Even the stats in the Keynote are US-centric. It is like the rest of the
world doesn't exist outside North America for Apple. :-(

Well, local iTools services appeared a month or two later, so I guess we
will eventually get it.

BTW, has anyone figured out yet how to get other photos into iPhoto ie.
Already on your hard drive?

Seeya

Rod!