Am I A WAMUG Member
On January 21 I posted a WAMUG membership form and cheque. I have not heard anything. Am I a member? Will I receive acknowledgement? Rod Blitvich -- (o o) *===ooO-(_)-Ooo=* | Rod BLITVICH HOD Science Balcatta Senior High School | | Chair STAWA Electronic Communications Committee | | Amy and Sam's Dad | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.stawa.asn.au | *===* | Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. | | | *===ooO=Ooo=*
Airport, bigpond ADSL and SMTP e-mail relaying
a quick (but verbose) musing on setting up an ADSL+Airport combo and a request for assistance from those who may have been through this: Yesterday my flatmate had Bigpond ADSL put on at home and I've been trying to configure my mail client to use bigponds SMTP server mail-hub.bigpond.net.au to send out e-mail. What I get is a server not responding error from Eudora. Setting up the same details in Entourage gives the same sort of error. All other TCP/IP and UDP applications work fine (web browsing/chat/video streaming etc) The eudora progress window shows a dns resolved IP address for the SMTP server that Network utilities pings with low ping time, and the IP number resolves back to the correct identical name. I POP off my UWA account and simply want to send mail using Bigponds SMTP server rather than setting up a bigpond e-mail account just to send mail (or use VPN to send via my uwa mailhost - tried VPN first could not get it to work - separate issue I think). After trying different permutations of the smtp host name ( .com, .com.au, .net, mail. etc) I got the same host not responding message (when using the .au extension) or a host not found for other permutations. I though they may require authentification and/or smtp to be sent to a non standard port number but both the setup literature and the online help make no mention of such a requirement and simply show a standard SMTP setup. Checking out my flatmates' computers (windows XP) their mail clients (using bigpond e-mail accounts) are setup using the default/standard SMTP server settings and work. The only permutation that _MAY_ affect things is that, because I don't want to run a ethernet cable halfway round the house, I have an Airport base station plugged in to the ADSL router/hub. It is setup to bridge route and handles distribution of DHCP assigned IP's on the wireless side of the network to my 2 airport enabled macs (so both of them come up with 10.0.0.x IP addresses) the base station receives it's own DHCP IP# from the ADSL for talking on the ethernet side of the network. Maybe Bigpond doesn't like traffic routed of a privet network using its smtp severs? though this would be strange because any business using Bigpond broadband would want to do _exactly_ that for may reasons (including security and the ability to use more IP#) Tonight I will try removing the base station and run via an ethernet cable and if that works then turn off routing (private networking) on the base station -will the base station then appear like a dumb hub to the ADSL router and only DHCP assign an IP# to my Macs or will the basestation still need to get it's own IP#? -- ~ Mark Secker Computer Support Officer ph#6488 1855 (ECEL) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Western Australia - CRICOS Provider No. 00126G ~ Only he who attempts the absurd is capable of achieving the impossible. - Miguel de Unamuno It takes an idiot to do cool things that's why it's cool - Haruhara Haruka (FLCL) http://ecel-mark.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~marksecker/index.htm (sometimes works)
Re: 'cpe'
Hi, Its a networking term that identifies the address as terminating on your site - as opposed to theirs, its defined as below and is used by anyone in the networking industry not just telstra. Its starting to pop up more and more nowadays because adsl equipment means that the IP address actually terminates on your modem as opposed to analog modems where the IP address terminates at the ISP's rack of modems. http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_customer_premises_equipment.html *customer premises equipment (CPE): 1.* Terminal http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_terminal.html and associated equipment and inside wiring located at a subscriber http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_subscriber.html's premises and connected with a carrier http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_carrier.html's communication channel http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_channel.html (s) at the demarcation point http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_demarcation_point.html /( demarc http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_demarc.html )/. -- L
Re: MPEG to iMovie?
Since there are a number of other requests for info along these lines, here's the email I posted to an earlier question on iMovie editing DVDs. -Mart From: Mrs C [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... when attempt to import it from the DVD into iMovie iMovie rejects it because it can't be rastarised. I tried to check iMovie documentation regarding this but couldn't find any--iMovie docs seem to just address using a camera as the source--not an MPEG file. You will need to convert the footage from the DVD into a format iMovie understands before you can import it. DVDs use MPEG-2 format while iMovie only works with the DV format (DV Stream). Probably the easiest way to do this with unprotected DVD media is using Apple's Quicktime Pro (and the latest versions of Quicktime which finally work with MPEG-2). 1. Register Quicktime Pro for US$29 at http://www.apple.com/quicktime/buy/ 2. Enter the Registration number in Quicktime Player 3. Choose Open in QT Player 4. Open the Video_TS folder on the DV and select the first .vob file on the DVD 5. Select Export from the File menu 6. Choose DV Stream from the pop-up menu 7. Choose your destination and then wait for a while for QT to convert your footage to DV format. 8. Repeat for all remaining .vob files on your DVD 9. Next import these files into iMovie, and edit them to your heart's content. Note that extracting video from copy-protected DVDs (for backup or playback off HD) needs other tools: http://www.wormintheapple.gr/macdvd/download3.html -- Martin Hill mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mb: 0417-967-969 hm: (08)9314-5242
Re: Edit Mpeg4?
Roger, it sounds like you are importing the DVD footage off DVD using an application like DVDbackup and then converting it into iMovie rather than capturing analog video from the DVD. Is this correct? In that case you need to break it up into chunks smaller than 2GBs manually - iMovie only automatically breaks footage into 2GB chunks itself when doing an analog video capture. The easiest way to do this is to use Quicktime Pro to copy and paste 9 minute chunks (9 minutes of DV footage is just a bit less than 2GBs at the standard DV datarate of 3.6MB/s) into separate files and then import those files into iMovie. It is laborious but it works. -Mart On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 18:56, Roger P Kortas wrote: Thanks Rob but its to big for imovie to handle, imovie will only handle files less then 2gb's Roger imovie should do the job? On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 17:32, Roger P Kortas wrote: Hi All I hired a digital camera and got the resulting movie burned to DVD, but as always there is a but!! I only used part of the second tape and there was some footage from the previous hirer on the tape which of course got burnt to the DVD. Is there a way of editing this movie to get rid of the extra footage?? I have iDVD but is doesn't seem to allow you to edit the movie itself. Regards Roger cheers -- Rob Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 10432219 ' To converse is one strategy that separates us, from the Apes.' -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro --- Susan Hastings Registered Psychologist Telephone: 9458 1551 Fax: 9458 4484 Mobile: 0409 688 004 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: MPEG to iMovie?
On 4/5/04 9:49 AM, Martin Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there are a number of other requests for info along these lines, here's the email I posted to an earlier question on iMovie editing DVDs. -Mart From: Mrs C [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... when attempt to import it from the DVD into iMovie iMovie rejects it because it can't be rastarised. I tried to check iMovie documentation regarding this but couldn't find any--iMovie docs seem to just address using a camera as the source--not an MPEG file. You will need to convert the footage from the DVD into a format iMovie understands before you can import it. DVDs use MPEG-2 format while iMovie only works with the DV format (DV Stream). Probably the easiest way to do this with unprotected DVD media is using Apple's Quicktime Pro (and the latest versions of Quicktime which finally work with MPEG-2). 1. Register Quicktime Pro for US$29 at http://www.apple.com/quicktime/buy/ 2. Enter the Registration number in Quicktime Player 3. Choose Open in QT Player 4. Open the Video_TS folder on the DV and select the first .vob file on the DVD 5. Select Export from the File menu 6. Choose DV Stream from the pop-up menu 7. Choose your destination and then wait for a while for QT to convert your footage to DV format. 8. Repeat for all remaining .vob files on your DVD 9. Next import these files into iMovie, and edit them to your heart's content. Note that extracting video from copy-protected DVDs (for backup or playback off HD) needs other tools: http://www.wormintheapple.gr/macdvd/download3.html So we could, in theory, correct George Lucas' mistakes in Episodes 1, 2, 4SE etc Han would finally have the first shot again! Jar Jar Binks doesn't exist! The guy who plays Anakin Skywalker in Episode 2 wouldn't speak! ;-) I wonder what happened to the edited version of Episode 1, where someone on the net re-edited the whole movie and was generally thought of as 10 times better than the original? Seeya Rod!
Re: 'cpe'
Yay James! The pedants amongst us finally have a voice. It is always
grating to hear someone use premise when they mean premises. Basically,
premise is not the singular of premises.
CPE is a generally accepted industry term meaning customer premises
equipment. Simply, any equipment associated with a service that is on the
customer's premises. In the case of ADSL, it is the ADSL modem or router.
Any equipment you have beyond that (hub, switch, Airport) is not CPE because
it is not strictly required by the service provider to provide the service.
Clear as mud.
Cheers
Greg
From: James Devenish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:56:34 +0800
To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au
Subject: Re: 'cpe'
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Mon, May 03, 2004 at 03:51:10PM +0800, Luke Brown wrote:
Malcolm J McCallum wrote:
Hi wamuggers, can some guru enlighten me as to what the 'cpe' stands
for at the beginning of net work address?
TIA
Customer Premise Equipment?
In answer to the original poster: 'cpe' has no technical meaning in the
Internet domain name service -- it is merely one of Telstra's naming
conventions for its own customers. Presumably Luke is correct, except:
In response to Luke's followup:
From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:
premise
n : a statement that is assumed to be true and from which a
conclusion can be drawn; [syn: {premiss}, {assumption}]
I point this out because some people use 'premise' when they mean 'premises':
From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:
premises
n : land and buildings together considered as a place of
business;
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Re: powerbook or ibook?
I'm seriously considering getting a laptop. The main reason is for presentations vi digital projectors at conferences often connecting to the net and for working on websites. What should I consider ibook or powerbook? depends on needs and finances for me, due to their compact size I would consider a 12 iBook for presentations/travel if I had a large (17 +) external screen for work at home or a second computer. Someone suggested there's not a direct connector to a projector from an ibook and the memory wasn't good enough to run a presentation. Nor is there one on the PowerBook - both will require adaptors (supplied) to hook up to the SVGA port/cable on the data-projector. Powerbooks stopped having VGA plugs with the second iteration of the G4 Ti-Book) The main thing is that Powerbooks will allow an the two monitors to act as an extended desktop AND also mirror where as iBooks will ONLY mirror their displays. If you are used to extended desktops you will find it hard to go back unless you have a sizable single monitor. memory is cheap - simply add another 256MB or even max it out to 1.25 GB if you want - gone are the days of $1000 memory upgrades - even with the base 256Mb install you will be able to run Powerpoint no problems unless you have full screen video - and even then I'd say you'd be fine 95% of the time. But still recommend upgrade to at least half a GB If I want to connect using ibook or powerbook to a windows network with a mac machine, how difficult is it? Do I need extra hardware or software? Not all places are enlightened enough to have mac networks. easy - it's actually harder to convince the Windows networking guys that it can be done - after months of doing it I still have to explain to our network administrator that Yes I CAN log in to the Windows domain - If they use a domain setup (rather than a workgroup) you'll need the IP number of the Primary Wins server - to which your Network administrator will probably say (like mine did) You use a mac what could you possibly want the Wins sever IP number for?. Using OS X 10.3 I authenticate on to a windows domain mount shared volumes and copy files backwards and forwards with Windows users and even use NT shared printers without problems (well that's not true - they used to work for me without problems then I got under the hood and mucked around with it and stuffed it up - think I'll need to fix that eh?) Can I share my adsl connection through my imac to an ibook or powerbook relatively easily? What extra stuff will I need to buy? yes quite easy though the details depend on the physical configuration you go with when you decide post back to the list and myself or someone else will be able to give you the nitty-gritty. By far the easiest option ins if your ADSL modem (router) handles multiple users (and it should)- if not ADSL routers with multiple ethernet ports are cheap (less than $70 if you look around) it's plug and play - with the mac pretty much networking straight out of the box. if your ADSL router has a single ethernet port but will handle routing of multiple machines you can simply buy a small hub (less than $50 shop around or s/h) and plug the ADSL router and your macs in to that (note you plug the router in to the uplink port if it has one) If your macs are Airport equipped instead of a hub an Airport (or compatible) base station can be plugged in to the router/hub or buy a Airport compatible wireless ADSL router (modem) to replace your current ADSL router. if your ADSL router is USB only or doesn't do routing of multiple clients then you use one mac to act as a router by turning on the share my internet connection option in System Preferences/Sharing. Theoretically (I haven't done exactly this) an Airport base station should be able to be plugged in to your non-routing ADSL hub and supply the same functions as the above share my internet connection but with out requiring that mac stay on the network to service the other machines. Rosemary Horton [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro -- ~ Mark Secker Computer Support Officer ph#6488 1855 (ECEL) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Western Australia - CRICOS Provider No. 00126G ~ Only he who attempts the absurd is capable of achieving the impossible. - Miguel de Unamuno It takes an idiot to do cool things that's why it's cool - Haruhara Haruka (FLCL) http://ecel-mark.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~marksecker/index.htm (sometimes works)
Re: Airport, bigpond ADSL and SMTP e-mail relaying
Mark A couple of things to try before making any radical changes to your network. 1. You say you POP off a server at UWA. It looks like you have your Reply to address set as the UWA address. It may be that the Telstra SMTP server won't route your mail because of this. Try setting your reply to address to your Bigpond address and see if that helps. 2. Check that you can connect to the SMTP server. You can do this by using Terminal and typing in telnet mail-hub.bigpond.net.au 25 - without the quotes obviously. If you connect try typing in HELP or HELO to see if you get a response. Any response will be very basic so don't expect much but if you get one then your computer can connect to the server and there is some other issue probably unrelated to your home network setup. Type in QUIT to disconnect. Hope this helps. Cheers Greg From: Mark Secker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:24:54 +0800 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Subject: Airport, bigpond ADSL and SMTP e-mail relaying a quick (but verbose) musing on setting up an ADSL+Airport combo and a request for assistance from those who may have been through this: Yesterday my flatmate had Bigpond ADSL put on at home and I've been trying to configure my mail client to use bigponds SMTP server mail-hub.bigpond.net.au to send out e-mail. What I get is a server not responding error from Eudora. Setting up the same details in Entourage gives the same sort of error. All other TCP/IP and UDP applications work fine (web browsing/chat/video streaming etc) The eudora progress window shows a dns resolved IP address for the SMTP server that Network utilities pings with low ping time, and the IP number resolves back to the correct identical name. I POP off my UWA account and simply want to send mail using Bigponds SMTP server rather than setting up a bigpond e-mail account just to send mail (or use VPN to send via my uwa mailhost - tried VPN first could not get it to work - separate issue I think). After trying different permutations of the smtp host name ( .com, .com.au, .net, mail. etc) I got the same host not responding message (when using the .au extension) or a host not found for other permutations. I though they may require authentification and/or smtp to be sent to a non standard port number but both the setup literature and the online help make no mention of such a requirement and simply show a standard SMTP setup. Checking out my flatmates' computers (windows XP) their mail clients (using bigpond e-mail accounts) are setup using the default/standard SMTP server settings and work. The only permutation that _MAY_ affect things is that, because I don't want to run a ethernet cable halfway round the house, I have an Airport base station plugged in to the ADSL router/hub. It is setup to bridge route and handles distribution of DHCP assigned IP's on the wireless side of the network to my 2 airport enabled macs (so both of them come up with 10.0.0.x IP addresses) the base station receives it's own DHCP IP# from the ADSL for talking on the ethernet side of the network. Maybe Bigpond doesn't like traffic routed of a privet network using its smtp severs? though this would be strange because any business using Bigpond broadband would want to do _exactly_ that for may reasons (including security and the ability to use more IP#) Tonight I will try removing the base station and run via an ethernet cable and if that works then turn off routing (private networking) on the base station -will the base station then appear like a dumb hub to the ADSL router and only DHCP assign an IP# to my Macs or will the basestation still need to get it's own IP#? -- ~ Mark Secker Computer Support Officer ph#6488 1855 (ECEL) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Western Australia - CRICOS Provider No. 00126G ~ Only he who attempts the absurd is capable of achieving the impossible. - Miguel de Unamuno It takes an idiot to do cool things that's why it's cool - Haruhara Haruka (FLCL) http://ecel-mark.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~marksecker/index.htm (sometimes works) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Airport, bigpond ADSL and SMTP e-mail relaying
a quick (but verbose) musing on setting up an ADSL+Airport combo and a request for assistance from those who may have been through this: Yesterday my flatmate had Bigpond ADSL put on at home and I've been trying to configure my mail client to use bigponds SMTP server mail-hub.bigpond.net.au to send out e-mail. Have you tried telnetting to mail-hub.bigpond.net.au on port 25? If you don't get a message like Trying 144.135.24.13... Connected to mail-bpa.bigpond.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 bigpond.net.au service ready (identifier 135/3064266) Then there's something wrong. To do this, go to the terminal and type telnet mail-hub.bigpond.net.au 25 Type QUIT to stop talking to the SMTP server (assuming it talks to you) You could also try mail.bigpond.net.au Have fun, Shay -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer Join Team Sungroper in the Opinions for hire [POQ] 2005 World Solar Challenge [EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord http://sungroper.asn.au/
Re: powerbook or ibook?
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 21:34, Richard Kay wrote: My only complaint [aside from the absence of the G5], really, is the poverty of RAM on most of these models. 256MB doesnâ*t really cut it, and Apple clearly makes a dime or two at retail by selling customers another DIMM. My solution there is not to buy RAM from Apple. While there have been times when Macs needed unusual RAM, I can't think of any that needed RAM that was unique to Apple. These days they tend to take standard SDRAM and DDR SDRAM, so IMHO there's little reason to buy it from Apple. Most resellers will buy and fit the extra ram separate from the Apple order but still on the same invoice can't say about laptops but with last week on a 17 iMac I ordered for a friend upgrading to 1Gb it like this only saved about $100 on the total purchase price. But the effort is only in the asking and that $100 gives you some extra goodies or a night out with your SO. -- ~ Mark Secker Computer Support Officer ph#6488 1855 (ECEL) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Western Australia - CRICOS Provider No. 00126G ~ Only he who attempts the absurd is capable of achieving the impossible. - Miguel de Unamuno It takes an idiot to do cool things that's why it's cool - Haruhara Haruka (FLCL) http://ecel-mark.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~marksecker/index.htm (sometimes works)
Stripping footage off DVDs
For those who have been asking about getting footage off DVDs to re-edit, try DVDxDV available at http://www.dvdxdv.com . There is a free 30 day trial. Another thing to take into account is that the DVD may be encrypted - in this case, try DVDBackup. cheers Jude
Re: powerbook or ibook?
The main thing is that Powerbooks will allow an the two monitors to act as an extended desktop AND also mirror where as iBooks will ONLY mirror their displays. If you are used to extended desktops you will find it hard to go back unless you have a sizable single monitor. There are hacks which seem to enable this functionality on some iBooks http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html Use at your own risk. Note that there is no mention of the recent iBook releases on the compatability page, although there is a post in the discussion forums which indicates that it does. Have fun, Shay -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer Join Team Sungroper in the Opinions for hire [POQ] 2005 World Solar Challenge [EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord http://sungroper.asn.au/
Re: powerbook or ibook?
On 3/5/04 6:23 PM, Rosemary Horton [EMAIL PROTECTED] communicated the following I'm seriously considering getting a laptop. The main reason is for presentations vi digital projectors at conferences often connecting to the net and for working on websites. What should I consider ibook or powerbook? My new 17 Powerbook is my first laptop and if your finances allow I would advise this. 1) You don't need a second monitor (unless you are doing serious DTP 90% of the time - I still use Quark etc on ads and I get along fine) 2) It's not that heavy 3) Enough disk space Having said that though, the iBooks are a relative bargain if cash is a little tight, and are impressively constructed. BTW, everyone, Shay had a boy!! ** Congratulations to Shay and Fe on a healthy 7lb 3oz baby boy. Brett Carboni Tsunami Unable to keep secrets of good sushi and newborn babies
Congrats Shay and Fe WAS (Re: powerbook or ibook?)
Brett Carboni wrote: BTW, everyone, Shay had a boy!! ** Congratulations to Shay and Fe on a healthy 7lb 3oz baby boy. WTG Shay and Fe, I bet his is cute, when will we see some happy snaps :o) Regards, Kat. -- --- K.A.Q. Electronics Website: www.kaqelectronics.dyndns.org IM: Yahoo: PinkyDwaggy MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Everything Electronics Phone: 0419 923 731 ---
Re: Congrats Shay and Fe WAS (Re: powerbook or ibook?)
BTW, everyone, Shay had a boy!! ** Congratulations to Shay and Fe on a healthy 7lb 3oz baby boy. WTG Shay and Fe, I bet his is cute, when will we see some happy snaps :o) Regards, Kat. http://www.earthyself.com/birthday/ Have fun, Shay -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer Join Team Sungroper in the Opinions for hire [POQ] 2005 World Solar Challenge [EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord http://sungroper.asn.au/
Re: Congrats Shay and Fe
wow someone else uses photopage congrats on the safe arrival, lovely pics Y On Tuesday, May 4, 2004, at 12:06 PM, Shay Telfer wrote: BTW, everyone, Shay had a boy!! ** Congratulations to Shay and Fe on a healthy 7lb 3oz baby boy. WTG Shay and Fe, I bet his is cute, when will we see some happy snaps :o) Regards, Kat. http://www.earthyself.com/birthday/ Have fun, Shay -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer Join Team Sungroper in the Opinions for hire [POQ] 2005 World Solar Challenge [EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord http://sungroper.asn.au/ -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Congrats Shay and Fe
wow someone else uses photopage For quick pages, yes. My standard operating procedure at the moment is to put photos into iPhoto and then export them to the free 'Gallery' via the gallery plugin. http://gallery.sourceforge.net/ (requires some unix hackery to set up Gallery of course) I was halfway through moving everything to a new server, so everything's in a bit of a disarray at the moment. And to make things easier we lost power to our suburb just as we were departing for the hospital and the old server fell over. Have fun, Shay -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer Join Team Sungroper in the Opinions for hire [POQ] 2005 World Solar Challenge [EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord http://sungroper.asn.au/
Laser Printer
Somebody was recently asking about laser printers. Viking http://www.vikingop.com.au/ is currently selling the Brother HL 1430 laser printer for $299. I have one of these printers and can recommend them. Bob
