Re: Food for thought

[Michael Hawkins]

Nice to know I'm not an orphan. I've been using Apple computers since about 
1994, and feel the same frustration., including the Photo debacle.

Cheers,

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Oct 2015, at 9:38 PM, Rob Phillips  wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting discussion, and it resonates with the way I have been 
> thinking.
> 
> I agree with Bill
> 
> "I want stuff that works when I need it."
> 
> Over recent years, I've become increasingly dissatisfied with Apple Mac 
> products, because they continue to remove functionality that I have been used 
> to using efficiently. I'm a 'messy' user, and I like to have multiple windows 
> open at once. Recent OS upgrades have made it harder for me to do this. 
> Unless I hide the Finder Toolbar, I can't open Folders in a new window 
> without right-clicking. It took me months to find out about this by trial and 
> error. Apple should have told me! Previously, I had a preference about how 
> this behaved.
> 
> In other words, I'm getting sick of Apple telling me how I should use my 
> computer, and removing my options for doing things differently. E.g. taking 
> away scroll bars because you can swipe on iphones.
> 
> Forcing me to move to Photos, with reduced functionality, was another example 
> which I didn't ask for.  I didn't even know I would lose many of my smart 
> albums until AFTER I upgraded.
> 
> It seems like Apple has a philosophy that everyone is a new user, and doesn't 
> recognise long-term users.
> This is an interesting discussion, and it resonates with the way I have been 
> thinking.
> 
> I agree with Bill
> 
> "I want stuff that works when I need it."
> 
> Over recent years, I've become increasingly dissatisfied with Apple Mac 
> products, because they continue to remove functionality that I have been used 
> to using efficiently. I'm a 'messy' user, and I like to have multiple windows 
> open at once. Recent OS upgrades have made it harder for me to do this. 
> Unless I hide the Finder Toolbar, I can't open Folders in a new window 
> without right-clicking. It took me months to find out about this by trial and 
> error. Apple should have told me! Previously, I had a preference about how 
> this behaved.
> 
> In other words, I'm getting sick of Apple telling me how I should use my 
> computer, and removing my options for doing things differently. E.g. taking 
> away scroll bars because you can swipe on iphones.
> 
> Forcing me to move to Photos, with reduced functionality, was another example 
> which I didn't ask for.  I didn't even know I would lose many of my smart 
> albums until AFTER I upgraded.
> 
> It seems like Apple has a philosophy that everyone is a new user, and doesn't 
> recognise long-term users.
> 
> I'm seriously considering other options, but I guess a Linux variety is the 
> only option,and this will take an extended learning curve.
> 
> One day I'll reach a tipping point, but, in the meantime, I can hope that 
> Apple will stop trying to control my behaviour.
> 
> My 2c
> Rob
> 
> 
>> On 10/10/2015 7:18 am, Bill Parker wrote:
>> Phillipe I can  sum it up this way.  I want stuff that works when I need it. 
>>  The comparison with Windows still has Mac in a different league and vastly 
>> superior.   However, the way things are going, I get limited or no value 
>> from the constant upgrades.  And as you may have seen in the recent past I 
>> had to open a document in Pages.  I had to upgrade the system.  the very 
>> LEADT Apple could do is alert users to some very simples to take before you 
>> download ( thanks Ronni for the help!)
>> 
>> What stuff do I need?   Office ( because I need to keep compatible with 
>> group I work with).  Word for Mac 2011 was assuredly worse that it 
>> predessor.  And Power point.  if going to El Capitan wrecks that critical 
>> operation I an stuffed.
>> 
>> Security?   I do not use iCloud.  I do not use anything Google and do not 
>> need to.  I have a Time machine sitting next to me, not in California!
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On 10 Oct 2015, at 00:46, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> The previous emails on this thread are interesting but I somehow do not 
>>> grasp what exactly some users are looking for with regards to the OS. Is it 
>>> the Operating System which is becoming too complex or powerful or is it the 
>>> amount of Application Softwares which come with a computer that is the 
>>> problem?
>>> 
>>> For those who want basic application softwares they are available, albeit 
>>> for a price (most are quite cheap). Some of the applications I use are 
>>> fairly basic e.g. for my photos I use Graphic Converter because I have 
>>> problems in constantly having my Photos, ex iPhotos, libraries converted 
>>> etc. Although I have MS Office, most of my word processing is done with 
>>> Mellel, a powerful application but not as ‘bloated’ as Word. In fact for a 
>>> quick and short document Text Edit comes to my rescue quite 

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Rob Phillips]

Hi Pete
I think the problem might be in trying to use the same email address.

A possible way forward is (with lots of backups and care - including 
downloading recent emails onto a second device)


 * create a new email address - gmail - or even better a second westnet
   address associated with your account
 * try to create an IMAP account for this
 * Move your old messages into new new mailbox
 * try the disable/ enable thing again. Maybe you can change the server
   settings now.  Failing this, delete that old mailbox and create a
   new IMAP one.
 * Copy your old messages back.

I hope this helps
Rob

On 14/10/2015 7:55 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
Hi Rob, thanks for the suggestion. The process in Mail to go from POP 
to IMAP requires establishment of a new account, you;re unable to just 
change the server address as the Account Type (POP) is superior to 
that. Unfortunately I am unable to get past the first dialogue where 
entry of the account detail (Name, email address and password) are 
required before getting to selecting IMAP/POP and server details. That 
is the problem I have. I have altered the Name and password of the 
account from the disabled account detail (no point changing the email 
address as the old address is MY address) and still no joy. Might have 
to ring Apple or chat.


Thanks.

Pete.


- Original Message -
From:
wamug@wamug.org.au

To:

Cc:

Sent:
Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:03:09 +0800
Subject:
Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP


I use Thunderbird not Mail, but have you changed the mail server
address? It should be something like imap.westnet.com.au, instead
of pop.westnet.comau.

Hope this helps.
Rob

On 13/10/2015 8:13 pm, Peter Crisp wrote:

Hi, have any of you done the below process of moving from a
POP Mail account to an IMAP account? I tried again and I get
the same result as below here. Not able to Create a new
account as Mail simple re-enables the account I disabled.

Regards

Pete...


On 12 Oct 2015, at 9:16 pm, Peter Crisp
 wrote:

Hi folks, I am getting a moment to make this change to my
westnet account from POP to IMAP. The text (in different
font) below is that from a previous thread on the topic
back in Feb 2014. I am running V8.2 Mail and OS X 10.10.5.
Maybe Mail is a little different now and the instructions
altered or maybe I am doing something wrong. I’ve made the
copy of Inbox and Sent items into temp folders “On My
MAC”. Then I uncheck the Enable button in my current
account. No problem to here.

Then I choose Mail > Add Account and select “Add other
Mail account”. This is where I am unsure. I used the same
account name, email address and password (as I am trying
to change to IMAP) as current account and once I select
Create, it simply enables the existing account which I
just disabled. Perhaps this is not unexpected. I tried a
different password and account name (same email address) -
same thing - re-enables the existing disabled account.

What am I doing wrong or is the procedure different in 8.2?

For the moment I have re-enabled my Mail so I can still
use it for this.

Regards

Pete.



Hi Laura,

I have cc'd your iinet &  Laura Webb > addresses, so hopefully
you receive at least one of them.

Step 2. is VERY IMPORTANT:
To avoid any potential disasters, save all the messages you have on 
your Mac to
a different mailbox before you convert to IMAP.

How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
Most email providers let you choose between two ways to get your 
messages. You
can have a POP (Post Office Protocol) account that downloads all 
your messages
to your Mac, iPhone or iPad. Or, you can have an IMAP (Internet 
Message Access
Protocol) account that leaves some or all of your messages up on 
the mail
server so you can access them from any device. For example, with a 
POP account,
if you check email on your iPhone, the messages downloaded there 
will only be
there; when you get back to your Mac, you won’t see them in your 
inbox. With
IMAP, they’ll be on all your devices.

If you’ve been using a POP account, but have grown frustrated with 
inaccessible
messages, you can usually convert your account to IMAP. Most 
hosting companies
and providers offer both options. However, making this conversion 
requires that
you take precautions so you 

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks for this Daniel, I'll give it a shot tonight.

Regards

Pete

> On 14 Oct 2015, at 4:02 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete
> 
> When setting it up, after the first screen DON'T click Create.
> Hold down the Option Key. The button will change from "Create" To "Next". 
> Click on Next.
> Then the following screen will let you chose between POP or IMAP.
> 
> Once created and happy it's working, you can then "disable" your POP3 account 
> (which will save the email incase you have to go back).
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
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> Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or 
> accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this 
> email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the 
> author be requested. 
> 
>> On 13/10/2015, at 8:13 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, have any of you done the below process of moving from a POP Mail account 
>> to an IMAP account? I tried again and I get the same result as below here. 
>> Not able to Create a new account as Mail simple re-enables the account I 
>> disabled.
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Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Rob, the issue is I want to retain my existing email address. To change that 
means a massive undertaking in alerting the many places where my email address 
is embedded - Apple store, wine sellers just to name a couple. So the point 
being I only want to change the account type but keep the rest unchanged.  
Daniel has chimed in with a suggestion which I will try tonight. I'll advise 
the group of success (hopefully).

Regards

Pete

> On 14 Oct 2015, at 2:54 PM, Rob Phillips  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete
> I think the problem might be in trying to use the same email address.
> 
> A possible way forward is (with lots of backups and care - including 
> downloading recent emails onto a second device)
> create a new email address - gmail - or even better a second westnet address 
> associated with your account
> try to create an IMAP account for this
> Move your old messages into new new mailbox
> try the disable/ enable thing again. Maybe you can change the server settings 
> now.  Failing this, delete that old mailbox and create a new IMAP one.
> Copy your old messages back.
> I hope this helps
> Rob
> 
>> On 14/10/2015 7:55 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
>> Hi Rob, thanks for the suggestion. The process in Mail to go from POP to 
>> IMAP requires establishment of a new account,   you;re unable to just 
>> change the server address as the Account Type (POP) is superior to that. 
>> Unfortunately I am unable to get   past the first dialogue where entry 
>> of the account detail (Name, email address and password) are required before 
>> getting to selecting IMAP/POP and server details. That is the problem I 
>> have. I have altered the Name and password of the account from the disabled 
>> account detail (no point changing the email address as the old address is MY 
>> address) and still no joy. Might have to ring Apple or chat.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Pete.
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From:
>> wamug@wamug.org.au
>> 
>> To:
>> 
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:03:09 +0800
>> Subject:
>> Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>> 
>> 
>> I use Thunderbird not Mail, but have you changed the mail server address? It 
>> should be something like imap.westnet.com.au, instead of pop.westnet.comau.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> Rob
>> 
>> On 13/10/2015 8:13 pm, Peter Crisp wrote:
>> Hi, have any of you done the below process of moving from a POP Mail account 
>> to an IMAP account? I tried again and I get the same result as below here. 
>> Not able to Create a new account as Mail simple re-enables the account I 
>> disabled. 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete...
>> 
>> 
>> On 12 Oct 2015, at 9:16 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks, I am getting a moment to make this change to my westnet account 
>> from POP to IMAP. The text (in different font) below is that from a previous 
>> thread on the topic back in Feb 2014. I am running V8.2 Mail and OS X 
>> 10.10.5. Maybe Mail is a little different now and the instructions altered 
>> or maybe I am doing something wrong. I’ve made the copy of Inbox and Sent 
>> items into temp folders “On My MAC”. Then I uncheck the Enable button in my 
>> current account. No problem to here. 
>> 
>> Then I choose Mail > Add Account and select “Add other Mail account”. This 
>> is where I am unsure. I used the same account name, email address and 
>> password (as I am trying to change to IMAP) as current account and once I 
>> select Create, it simply enables the existing account which I just disabled. 
>> Perhaps this is not unexpected. I tried a different password and account 
>> name (same email address) - same thing - re-enables the existing disabled 
>> account.
>> 
>> What am I doing wrong or is the procedure different in 8.2?
>> 
>> For the moment I have re-enabled my Mail so I can still use it for this.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Laura,
>> 
>> I have cc'd your iinet &  Laura Webb  addresses, so 
>> hopefully 
>> you receive at least one of them.
>> Step 2. is VERY IMPORTANT: 
>> To avoid any potential disasters, save all the messages you have on your Mac 
>> to 
>> a different mailbox before you convert to IMAP.
>> 
>> How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>> Most email providers let you choose between two ways to get your messages. 
>> You 
>> can have a POP (Post Office Protocol) account that downloads all your 
>> messages 
>> to your Mac, iPhone or iPad. Or, you can have an IMAP (Internet Message 
>> Access 
>> Protocol) account that leaves some or all of your messages up on the mail 
>> server so you can access them from any device. For example, with a POP 
>> account, 
>> if you check email on your iPhone, the messages downloaded there will only 
>> be 
>> there; when you get back to your Mac, you won’t see them in your inbox. With 
>> IMAP, they’ll be on all your devices.
>> 
>> If you’ve been using a POP account, but have grown 

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Pete

When setting it up, after the first screen DON'T click Create.
Hold down the Option Key. The button will change from "Create" To "Next". Click 
on Next.
Then the following screen will let you chose between POP or IMAP.

Once created and happy it's working, you can then "disable" your POP3 account 
(which will save the email incase you have to go back).

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 6

---
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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   


**For everything Apple**

NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as 
such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any 
information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept 
liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to 
be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested. 

On 13/10/2015, at 8:13 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Hi, have any of you done the below process of moving from a POP Mail account 
> to an IMAP account? I tried again and I get the same result as below here. 
> Not able to Create a new account as Mail simple re-enables the account I 
> disabled. 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete...
> 
> 
>> On 12 Oct 2015, at 9:16 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks, I am getting a moment to make this change to my westnet account 
>> from POP to IMAP. The text (in different font) below is that from a previous 
>> thread on the topic back in Feb 2014. I am running V8.2 Mail and OS X 
>> 10.10.5. Maybe Mail is a little different now and the instructions altered 
>> or maybe I am doing something wrong. I’ve made the copy of Inbox and Sent 
>> items into temp folders “On My MAC”. Then I uncheck the Enable button in my 
>> current account. No problem to here. 
>> 
>> Then I choose Mail > Add Account and select “Add other Mail account”. This 
>> is where I am unsure. I used the same account name, email address and 
>> password (as I am trying to change to IMAP) as current account and once I 
>> select Create, it simply enables the existing account which I just disabled. 
>> Perhaps this is not unexpected. I tried a different password and account 
>> name (same email address) - same thing - re-enables the existing disabled 
>> account.
>> 
>> What am I doing wrong or is the procedure different in 8.2?
>> 
>> For the moment I have re-enabled my Mail so I can still use it for this.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Laura,
>> 
>> I have cc'd your iinet &  Laura Webb > me.com
>> > addresses, so hopefully 
>> you receive at least one of them.
>> 
>> Step 2. is VERY IMPORTANT: 
>> To avoid any potential disasters, save all the messages you have on your Mac 
>> to 
>> a different mailbox before you convert to IMAP.
>> 
>> How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>> Most email providers let you choose between two ways to get your messages. 
>> You 
>> can have a POP (Post Office Protocol) account that downloads all your 
>> messages 
>> to your Mac, iPhone or iPad. Or, you can have an IMAP (Internet Message 
>> Access 
>> Protocol) account that leaves some or all of your messages up on the mail 
>> server so you can access them from any device. For example, with a POP 
>> account, 
>> if you check email on your iPhone, the messages downloaded there will only 
>> be 
>> there; when you get back to your Mac, you won’t see them in your inbox. With 
>> IMAP, they’ll be on all your devices.
>> 
>> If you’ve been using a POP account, but have grown frustrated with 
>> inaccessible 
>> messages, you can usually convert your account to IMAP. Most hosting 
>> companies 
>> and providers offer both options. However, making this conversion requires 
>> that 
>> you take precautions so you don’t lose any messages. Here’s how to make the 
>> switch safely:
>> 
>> 1. Check with your email host
>> 
>> If you manage your email account yourself, check on your hosting company’s 
>> dashboard to make sure you can use IMAP. (It’s very rare that this is not 
>> available.) If you get email through your business or school, check with the 
>> IT 
>> department. Find out what settings you will need to access your email as an 
>> IMAP account, and whether anything needs to be changed on the server side. 
>> If 
>> you use Gmail, this help page will tell you how to change your Gmail account 
>> from POP to IMAP. (You have to enable IMAP on the Gmail website.)
>> 
>> 2. Protect the message you’ve already downloaded
>> 
>> To avoid any potential disasters, save all the messages you have on your Mac 
>> to 
>> a different mailbox before you convert to IMAP.
>> 
>> IMAP stores some or all of your email on the mail server. The problem is, 
>> this 
>> means that any folders that are on your Mac may get overwritten, or deleted, 
>> if 
>> you don’t save their messages before making the switch. So, in Mail, choose 
>> Mailbox -> 

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Pete, Hi Daniel,

I've been following this thread with some interest. If I understand the
thread, the decision as to whether an account is IMAP or POP should be set
at the hosting server and then the account in the email program has to be
set to match (ie use the same protocol).

Georgie & I have our own domains and generally use email accounts we have
set-up on those. We have VERY limited email storage associated with these
accounts and so we use POP and download everything from the server. No
problems here except that there is also limited bandwidth and so
occasionally we can hit the bandwidth limit. At some stage I will upgrade
the hosting package which will address the storage/bandwidth limitations.


Our broadband provider (Internode) also provides email and so I set-up an
internode email address for each of us - more as a back-up, we don't really
use them as they would disappear if we changed Broadband providers.


I set these up several years ago, so I don't really remember the steps
involved - but I can see that the email accounts on the computer are set as
POP accounts and everything works fine (test emails to and from both mine &
Georgies accounts.


Now, here's where it gets confusing

Recently Georgie was getting (and due to get) quite a lot of emails with
large phoo files attached - so I suggested she use her internode email
address to avoid running into bandwidth/storage limitations on her personal
email accounts. She had forgotten that she had this account and it was only
configured on the computers so she asked me to set-up the account on her
iPhone - which I did - only to find that mail on IOS automatically set up an
IMAP account!

So now it seems that there is an IMAP account on the iPhone and POP accounts
on several computers all connecting to the same basic Internode email
account. All seem to work well and send and receive email OK.

The IMAP account leaves messages on the server (as you would expect). The
POP accounts on the secondary computers also leave messages on the server
(as they have been set to do) and the POP account on her main computer
downloads messages from the server (as it has been set to do).

I currently have 15 email accounts set-up in my email client on my computer
and ALL are POP - so I would prefer to just keep everything the same.
However Mail on IOS on the iPhones just automatically sets the internode
accounts to IMAP and does not let me select POP.


So I seem to have a hybrid IMAP/POP set-up - which just seems wrong!
However, it all seems to work OK!


Any comments? Am I likely to run into any problems with this set-up?


Cheers



Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com




on 14/10/15 16:02, Daniel Kerr at wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:

> Hi Pete
> 
> When setting it up, after the first screen DON'T click Create.
> Hold down the Option Key. The button will change from "Create" To "Next".
> Click on Next.
> Then the following screen will let you chose between POP or IMAP.
> 
> Once created and happy it's working, you can then "disable" your POP3 account
> (which will save the email incase you have to go back).
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as
> such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any
> information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept
> liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to
> be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be
> requested. 
> 
> On 13/10/2015, at 8:13 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, have any of you done the below process of moving from a POP Mail account
>> to an IMAP account? I tried again and I get the same result as below here.
>> Not able to Create a new account as Mail simple re-enables the account I
>> disabled. 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete...
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12 Oct 2015, at 9:16 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks, I am getting a moment to make this change to my westnet account
>>> from POP to IMAP. The text (in different font) below is that from a previous
>>> thread on the topic back in Feb 2014. I am running V8.2 Mail and OS X
>>> 10.10.5. Maybe Mail is a little different now and the instructions altered
>>> or maybe I am doing something wrong. I¹ve made the copy of Inbox and Sent
>>> items into temp folders ³On My MAC². Then I uncheck the Enable button in my
>>> current account. No problem to here.
>>> 
>>> Then I choose Mail > Add Account and select ³Add other Mail account². This
>>> is where I am unsure. I used the same account name, email address and
>>> password (as I am trying to change to IMAP) as current account and once I

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Rob Phillips]

Hi Pete

Daniel's suggestion is the best way to go.

However, note that I suggested (perhaps not very clearly) that you 
recreate your old email 'account' in mail.  The important thing to 
recognise is that your email account with Westnet still exists. It's 
just that the connection to that account in the Mail email browser is 
being changed. Unfortunately, Mail calls this an 'account', so it gets 
confusing.


Good luck
Rob

On 14/10/2015 6:02 pm, Peter Crisp wrote:
Hi Rob, the issue is I want to retain my existing email address. To 
change that means a massive undertaking in alerting the many places 
where my email address is embedded - Apple store, wine sellers just to 
name a couple. So the point being I only want to change the account 
/type /but keep the rest unchanged/. /Daniel has chimed in with a 
suggestion which I will try tonight. I'll advise the group of success 
(hopefully).


Regards

Pete

On 14 Oct 2015, at 2:54 PM, Rob Phillips > wrote:



Hi Pete
I think the problem might be in trying to use the same email address.

A possible way forward is (with lots of backups and care - including 
downloading recent emails onto a second device)


  * create a new email address - gmail - or even better a second
westnet address associated with your account
  * try to create an IMAP account for this
  * Move your old messages into new new mailbox
  * try the disable/ enable thing again. Maybe you can change the
server settings now.  Failing this, delete that old mailbox and
create a new IMAP one.
  * Copy your old messages back.

I hope this helps
Rob

On 14/10/2015 7:55 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
Hi Rob, thanks for the suggestion. The process in Mail to go from 
POP to IMAP requires establishment of a new account, you;re unable 
to just change the server address as the Account Type (POP) is 
superior to that. Unfortunately I am unable to get past the first 
dialogue where entry of the account detail (Name, email address and 
password) are required before getting to selecting IMAP/POP and 
server details. That is the problem I have. I have altered the Name 
and password of the account from the disabled account detail (no 
point changing the email address as the old address is MY address) 
and still no joy. Might have to ring Apple or chat.


Thanks.

Pete.


- Original Message -
From:
wamug@wamug.org.au

To:

Cc:

Sent:
Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:03:09 +0800
Subject:
Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP


I use Thunderbird not Mail, but have you changed the mail server
address? It should be something like imap.westnet.com.au
, instead of pop.westnet.comau.

Hope this helps.
Rob

On 13/10/2015 8:13 pm, Peter Crisp wrote:

Hi, have any of you done the below process of moving from a
POP Mail account to an IMAP account? I tried again and I get
the same result as below here. Not able to Create a new
account as Mail simple re-enables the account I disabled.

Regards

Pete...


On 12 Oct 2015, at 9:16 pm, Peter Crisp
 wrote:

Hi folks, I am getting a moment to make this change to
my westnet account from POP to IMAP. The text (in
different font) below is that from a previous thread on
the topic back in Feb 2014. I am running V8.2 Mail and
OS X 10.10.5. Maybe Mail is a little different now and
the instructions altered or maybe I am doing something
wrong. I’ve made the copy of Inbox and Sent items into
temp folders “On My MAC”. Then I uncheck the Enable
button in my current account. No problem to here.

Then I choose Mail > Add Account and select “Add other
Mail account”. This is where I am unsure. I used the
same account name, email address and password (as I am
trying to change to IMAP) as current account and once I
select Create, it simply enables the existing account
which I just disabled. Perhaps this is not unexpected. I
tried a different password and account name (same email
address) - same thing - re-enables the existing disabled
account.

What am I doing wrong or is the procedure different in 8.2?

For the moment I have re-enabled my Mail so I can still
use it for this.

Regards

Pete.



Hi Laura,

I have cc'd your iinet &  Laura Webb > addresses, so hopefully
you receive at least one of them.

Step 2. is VERY IMPORTANT:
To avoid any potential disasters, save all the messages you have on 
your Mac to
a different mailbox before you 

Re: Food for thought

[Rob Phillips]

This is an interesting discussion, and it resonates with the way I have 
been thinking.


I agree with Bill

"I want stuff that works when I need it."

Over recent years, I've become increasingly dissatisfied with Apple Mac 
products, because they continue to remove functionality that I have been 
used to using efficiently. I'm a 'messy' user, and I like to have 
multiple windows open at once. Recent OS upgrades have made it harder 
for me to do this. Unless I hide the Finder Toolbar, I can't open 
Folders in a new window without right-clicking. It took me months to 
find out about this by trial and error. Apple should have told me! 
Previously, I had a preference about how this behaved.


In other words, I'm getting sick of Apple telling me how I should use my 
computer, and removing my options for doing things differently. E.g. 
taking away scroll bars because you can swipe on iphones.


Forcing me to move to Photos, with reduced functionality, was another 
example which I didn't ask for.  I didn't even know I would lose many of 
my smart albums until AFTER I upgraded.


It seems like Apple has a philosophy that everyone is a new user, and 
doesn't recognise long-term users.


I'm seriously considering other options, but I guess a Linux variety is 
the only option,and this will take an extended learning curve.


One day I'll reach a tipping point, but, in the meantime, I can hope 
that Apple will stop trying to control my behaviour.


My 2c
Rob


On 10/10/2015 7:18 am, Bill Parker wrote:

Phillipe I can  sum it up this way.  I want stuff that works when I need it.  
The comparison with Windows still has Mac in a different league and vastly 
superior.   However, the way things are going, I get limited or no value from 
the constant upgrades.  And as you may have seen in the recent past I had to 
open a document in Pages.  I had to upgrade the system.  the very LEADT Apple 
could do is alert users to some very simples to take before you download ( 
thanks Ronni for the help!)

What stuff do I need?   Office ( because I need to keep compatible with group I 
work with).  Word for Mac 2011 was assuredly worse that it predessor.  And 
Power point.  if going to El Capitan wrecks that critical operation I an 
stuffed.

Security?   I do not use iCloud.  I do not use anything Google and do not need 
to.  I have a Time machine sitting next to me, not in California!

Bill


On 10 Oct 2015, at 00:46, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:

Hi All,

The previous emails on this thread are interesting but I somehow do not grasp 
what exactly some users are looking for with regards to the OS. Is it the 
Operating System which is becoming too complex or powerful or is it the amount 
of Application Softwares which come with a computer that is the problem?

For those who want basic application softwares they are available, albeit for a 
price (most are quite cheap). Some of the applications I use are fairly basic 
e.g. for my photos I use Graphic Converter because I have problems in 
constantly having my Photos, ex iPhotos, libraries converted etc. Although I 
have MS Office, most of my word processing is done with Mellel, a powerful 
application but not as ‘bloated’ as Word. In fact for a quick and short 
document Text Edit comes to my rescue quite happily.

With regards to the operating system itself, unfortunately the computing world 
is constantly evolving and what with the hotly contested competition from 
Windows and Android, if Apple does not keep up with the latest technologies it 
will loose ground very quickly. A good analogy is the car industry. A current 
car manufacturer who dares produce a car without electric windows and/or an 
electric starter motor, side valves operated by push rods etc would not survive 
the highly competitive modern car market. The current consumers, in the 
majority, are looking for the very latest in technology for safety and economy 
and will not hesitate to swap brands if this requirement is not met by the car 
or computer or camera etc manufacturer.

Although the above analogy is  simplistic, this is the argument I use to 
convince myself to install the latest OS on my Macs. The latest technology 
provides greater efficiency, uses the latest technology, which once learned, 
will make my life much easier. And above all the updates allow me to surf the 
net which itself keeps evolving using new technology. Many ‘old’ browsers would 
not be able to cope with all that latest internet technology.

I agree that it is difficult to keep learning the new  OS, but at least we Mac 
users have not had to suffer the pains our brothers from that ‘other’ OS have 
go through with each major update. Having used Apple products since the IIc 
came out I am surprised at how consistent the OS has been, from the user’s end. 
But I have to add that I am not a heavy user and admit that I possibly use only 
2% or so of the OS available functions.

By the way Allen, I also use Snow Leopard on my now 

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Rob Phillips]

I guess this should all work, as long as you don't get one of your POP 
accounts to delete messages from the server when you download it.


Rob

On 14/10/2015 7:08 pm, Neil Houghton wrote:

Hi Pete, Hi Daniel,

I've been following this thread with some interest. If I understand the
thread, the decision as to whether an account is IMAP or POP should be set
at the hosting server and then the account in the email program has to be
set to match (ie use the same protocol).

Georgie & I have our own domains and generally use email accounts we have
set-up on those. We have VERY limited email storage associated with these
accounts and so we use POP and download everything from the server. No
problems here except that there is also limited bandwidth and so
occasionally we can hit the bandwidth limit. At some stage I will upgrade
the hosting package which will address the storage/bandwidth limitations.


Our broadband provider (Internode) also provides email and so I set-up an
internode email address for each of us - more as a back-up, we don't really
use them as they would disappear if we changed Broadband providers.


I set these up several years ago, so I don't really remember the steps
involved - but I can see that the email accounts on the computer are set as
POP accounts and everything works fine (test emails to and from both mine &
Georgies accounts.


Now, here's where it gets confusing

Recently Georgie was getting (and due to get) quite a lot of emails with
large phoo files attached - so I suggested she use her internode email
address to avoid running into bandwidth/storage limitations on her personal
email accounts. She had forgotten that she had this account and it was only
configured on the computers so she asked me to set-up the account on her
iPhone - which I did - only to find that mail on IOS automatically set up an
IMAP account!

So now it seems that there is an IMAP account on the iPhone and POP accounts
on several computers all connecting to the same basic Internode email
account. All seem to work well and send and receive email OK.

The IMAP account leaves messages on the server (as you would expect). The
POP accounts on the secondary computers also leave messages on the server
(as they have been set to do) and the POP account on her main computer
downloads messages from the server (as it has been set to do).

I currently have 15 email accounts set-up in my email client on my computer
and ALL are POP - so I would prefer to just keep everything the same.
However Mail on IOS on the iPhones just automatically sets the internode
accounts to IMAP and does not let me select POP.


So I seem to have a hybrid IMAP/POP set-up - which just seems wrong!
However, it all seems to work OK!


Any comments? Am I likely to run into any problems with this set-up?


Cheers



Neil


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Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Rob, Neil and Daniel et al, the ‘Option’ key did the trick. the IMAP/POP 
option presents when you hold the Option key down at the ‘create’ stage. It 
went very smoothly from there. Once created it immediately synchronised around 
3,500 emails from the server (mostly Sent items) - it took just a few minutes. 
I dragged back the temporarily created ‘Inbox’ to the real Inbox.

Then I deleted the accounts on my iPhone and iPad and then recreated there, 
again straightforward update.

It seems all good now.

I will see how it behaves over the next few days and then recommend to my wife 
potentially.

Thanks for the help here folks.

Regards.

Pete...



> On 14 Oct 2015, at 7:10 pm, Rob Phillips  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete
> 
> Daniel's suggestion is the best way to go.
> 
> However, note that I suggested (perhaps not very clearly) that you recreate 
> your old email 'account' in mail.  The important thing to recognise is that 
> your email account with Westnet still exists. It's just that the connection 
> to that account in the Mail email browser is being changed. Unfortunately, 
> Mail calls this an 'account', so it gets confusing.
> 
> Good luck
> Rob
> 
> On 14/10/2015 6:02 pm, Peter Crisp wrote:
>> Hi Rob, the issue is I want to retain my existing email address. To change 
>> that means a massive undertaking in alerting the many places where my email 
>> address is embedded - Apple store, wine sellers just to name a couple. So 
>> the point being I only want to change the account type but keep the rest 
>> unchanged.  Daniel has chimed in with a suggestion which I will try tonight. 
>> I'll advise the group of success (hopefully).
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> On 14 Oct 2015, at 2:54 PM, Rob Phillips < 
>> r.phill...@iinet.net.au 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pete
>>> I think the problem might be in trying to use the same email address.
>>> 
>>> A possible way forward is (with lots of backups and care - including 
>>> downloading recent emails onto a second device)
>>> create a new email address - gmail - or even better a second westnet 
>>> address associated with your account
>>> try to create an IMAP account for this
>>> Move your old messages into new new mailbox
>>> try the disable/ enable thing again. Maybe you can change the server 
>>> settings now.  Failing this, delete that old mailbox and create a new IMAP 
>>> one.
>>> Copy your old messages back.
>>> I hope this helps
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> On 14/10/2015 7:55 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au 
>>>  wrote:
 Hi Rob, thanks for the suggestion. The process in Mail to go from POP to 
 IMAP requires establishment of a new account, you;re unable to just change 
 the server address as the Account Type (POP) is superior to that. 
 Unfortunately I am unable to get past the first dialogue where entry of 
 the account detail (Name, email address and password) are required before 
 getting to selecting IMAP/POP and server details. That is the problem I 
 have. I have altered the Name and password of the account from the 
 disabled account detail (no point changing the email address as the old 
 address is MY address) and still no joy. Might have to ring Apple or chat.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Pete.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From:
 wamug@wamug.org.au 
 To:
  
 Cc:
 
 Sent:
 Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:03:09 +0800
 Subject:
 Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
 
 
 I use Thunderbird not Mail, but have you changed the mail server address? 
 It should be something like imap.westnet.com.au 
 , instead of pop.westnet.comau.
 
 Hope this helps.
 Rob
 
 On 13/10/2015 8:13 pm, Peter Crisp wrote:
 Hi, have any of you done the below process of moving from a POP Mail 
 account to an IMAP account? I tried again and I get the same result as 
 below here. Not able to Create a new account as Mail simple re-enables the 
 account I disabled. 
 
 Regards
 
 Pete...
 
 
 On 12 Oct 2015, at 9:16 pm, Peter Crisp < 
 petercr...@westnet.com.au 
 > wrote:
 
 Hi folks, I am getting a moment to make this change to my westnet account 
 from POP to IMAP. The text (in different font) below is that from a 
 previous thread on the topic back in Feb 2014. I am running V8.2 Mail and 
 OS X 10.10.5. Maybe Mail is a little different now and the instructions 
 altered or maybe I am doing something wrong. I’ve made the copy of Inbox 
 and Sent items into temp folders “On My MAC”. Then I uncheck the Enable 
 button in my current account. No problem to here. 
 
 Then I choose Mail > Add 

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Neil Houghton]

Well, actually, that is how I want it to work.

With all the POP accounts the main computer downloads the emails from the
server. Any emails to be kept are then on the main computer for further
reference.

If away from the main computer, emails can be checked on the other computers
(laptop & a desktop in Perth) but, by default, these POP accounts are set to
leave the emails on the server - to be later downloaded by the main
computer.

Stuff that I would delete anyway can be manually "deleted from server" after
reading so that minimises the crap downloaded when I/we get back to our main
computers.

That set-up has been working fine for us for years.


It was just the iPhone forcing an IMAP configuration on us that was new (and
only for the internode email accounts) - so it was the mixing of IMAP and
POP on the same email address that was the worry.

However, it seems to work - the iPhone with an IMAP account seems to work
pretty much like a POP account set to leave email on the server.


Thanks for your thoughts on this.


Cheers



Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com






on 14/10/15 21:40, Rob Phillips at r.phill...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> I guess this should all work, as long as you don't get one of your POP
> accounts to delete messages from the server when you download it.
> 
> Rob
> 
> On 14/10/2015 7:08 pm, Neil Houghton wrote:
>> Hi Pete, Hi Daniel,
>> 
>> I've been following this thread with some interest. If I understand the
>> thread, the decision as to whether an account is IMAP or POP should be set
>> at the hosting server and then the account in the email program has to be
>> set to match (ie use the same protocol).
>> 
>> Georgie & I have our own domains and generally use email accounts we have
>> set-up on those. We have VERY limited email storage associated with these
>> accounts and so we use POP and download everything from the server. No
>> problems here except that there is also limited bandwidth and so
>> occasionally we can hit the bandwidth limit. At some stage I will upgrade
>> the hosting package which will address the storage/bandwidth limitations.
>> 
>> 
>> Our broadband provider (Internode) also provides email and so I set-up an
>> internode email address for each of us - more as a back-up, we don't really
>> use them as they would disappear if we changed Broadband providers.
>> 
>> 
>> I set these up several years ago, so I don't really remember the steps
>> involved - but I can see that the email accounts on the computer are set as
>> POP accounts and everything works fine (test emails to and from both mine &
>> Georgies accounts.
>> 
>> 
>> Now, here's where it gets confusing
>> 
>> Recently Georgie was getting (and due to get) quite a lot of emails with
>> large phoo files attached - so I suggested she use her internode email
>> address to avoid running into bandwidth/storage limitations on her personal
>> email accounts. She had forgotten that she had this account and it was only
>> configured on the computers so she asked me to set-up the account on her
>> iPhone - which I did - only to find that mail on IOS automatically set up an
>> IMAP account!
>> 
>> So now it seems that there is an IMAP account on the iPhone and POP accounts
>> on several computers all connecting to the same basic Internode email
>> account. All seem to work well and send and receive email OK.
>> 
>> The IMAP account leaves messages on the server (as you would expect). The
>> POP accounts on the secondary computers also leave messages on the server
>> (as they have been set to do) and the POP account on her main computer
>> downloads messages from the server (as it has been set to do).
>> 
>> I currently have 15 email accounts set-up in my email client on my computer
>> and ALL are POP - so I would prefer to just keep everything the same.
>> However Mail on IOS on the iPhones just automatically sets the internode
>> accounts to IMAP and does not let me select POP.
>> 
>> 
>> So I seem to have a hybrid IMAP/POP set-up - which just seems wrong!
>> However, it all seems to work OK!
>> 
>> 
>> Any comments? Am I likely to run into any problems with this set-up?
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Neil


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