Re: imac for sale

[Kenneth Woods]

Here here!

I also value the advice and time you both dedicate to WAMUG!

Ken

Sent from my iPad

On 19/06/2012, at 9:44 PM, Jennifer Lefroy  wrote:

> Thank you Daniel and Ronni for very clear expositions of what one can and
> cannot do under differing conditions.  It is very helpful to those of us
> who are less knowledgeable.
> 
> Regards, Jennifer
> 
> On 19 June 2012 19:21, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Hi People,
>> 
>> I was not going to respond to Derek's comments to me for bringing it to
>> his attention and WAMUG members that what he was anticipating doing was
>> contravening software copyright laws.
>> 
>> I'm am upset with his attitude towards me, and now towards Daniel.
>> I'm only the messenger here, doing what I do for WAMUG, giving informed
>> and correct information to the group.
>> 
>> Derek has put himself and WAMUG in a delicate position. He has again
>> posted on a public mailing list after being warned he was contravening
>> copyright laws and could cause repercussions for WAMUG.
>> 
>> As I mentioned previously Apple Reps troll our mailing list quite often.
>> I have had very good feedback from them as they do appreciate what we are
>> doing on our mailing list.
>> We can not appear as a group to condone software piracy of any kind.
>> 
>> Daniel and I put in a lot of time to support people on WAMUG mailing list,
>> and only ever give helpful advice and correct information in a very
>> friendly and professional manner.
>> 
>> Like Daniel I will not be having anything more to say on this matter. I
>> have done what was the correct and right thing to do and that was inform
>> Derek and members of the legalities.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 19/06/2012, at 4:30 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
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Re: imac for sale

[Jennifer Lefroy]

6/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Ronni,
> >>>> Yes I understand where you are coming from, & I did see the
> instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the
> installed software for as long as they were able to & if & when it no
> longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't
> payed for it & it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning
> it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal
> owner.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are
> free to uninstall it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Derek
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> >>>> From: Ronda Brown 
> >>>> To: "wamug@wamug.org.au" 
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: imac for sale
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Derek,
> >>>>
> >>>> You should not leave software installed on your computer that you
> don't legally own.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to
> reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or
> need to reinstall the software?
> >>>> Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands
> exactly what they are getting.
> >>>>
> >>>> Software is protected by federal copyright law.
> >>>>
> >>>> The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the
> OS (operating system).
> >>>> We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready
> for sale only a few days ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Ronni
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> >>>>
> >>>> On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry 
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Daniel,
> >>>>> Thanks for your enquiry the  short answer is no.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Explanation:
> >>>>> The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to
> sell, the software is loaded on the machine & it is free, to whoever buys
> the computer & it is all fully functional.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with
> only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The remote controller & the battery charger + rechargeable batteries
> are also free with the computer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you have any other questions please ask.
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> Derek
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Derek
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the
> install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kind regards
> >>>>>> Daniel
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> Daniel Kerr
> >>>>>> MacWizardry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
> >>>>>> Email: 
> >>>>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> **For everything Apple**
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi All,
> >>>>>>> I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would
> give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it
> was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree & has hardly been used,
> maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I
> have original receipts & boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011,
> Titanium toast 11

Re: imac for sale

[Ronda Brown]

Hi People,

I was not going to respond to Derek's comments to me for bringing it to his 
attention and WAMUG members that what he was anticipating doing was 
contravening software copyright laws.

I'm am upset with his attitude towards me, and now towards Daniel.
I'm only the messenger here, doing what I do for WAMUG, giving informed and 
correct information to the group.

Derek has put himself and WAMUG in a delicate position. He has again posted on 
a public mailing list after being warned he was contravening copyright laws and 
could cause repercussions for WAMUG.


 As I mentioned previously Apple Reps troll our mailing list quite often. I 
have had very good feedback from them as they do appreciate what we are doing 
on our mailing list.
We can not appear as a group to condone software piracy of any kind.

Daniel and I put in a lot of time to support people on WAMUG mailing list, and 
only ever give helpful advice and correct information in a very friendly and 
professional manner.

Like Daniel I will not be having anything more to say on this matter. I have 
done what was the correct and right thing to do and that was inform Derek and 
members of the legalities.

Kind Regards,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 19/06/2012, at 4:30 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:

> Hi Derek
> 
> Sorry you feel that way. I wasn't  lecturing, I was simply mentioning, and 
> providing info to cover all parties. (buyer and seller). 
> I've had clients who have had problems (and legal issues) with computers they 
> bought themselves through eBay etc purchases with software they believed they 
> owned, but didn't because It was "preinstalled" and they get didn't serials 
> or software Discs and went to upgrade or reinstall and had issues with the 
> company (Microsoft, Adobe etc). 
> Software companies are more then happy to fine consumers in this area. 
> 
> That was my only reason for mentioning this. To cover all parties (buyer and 
> seller). At the end of day what people choose to do with the info is their 
> choice. It doesn't affect me either way. 
> 
> But I certainly don't "lecture", as anyone who knows me can attest to. 
> 
> I've said my piece and don't have anything else to add to it. 
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 4s
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
> 
> ** For Everything Apple **
> 
> On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Daniel,
>> I know the pros & cons & don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people 
>> as much as I can &  as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about 
>> it, then remove the offending posts, & remove my permission to post to 
>> wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, & I'm 
>> fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway.
>> Have a good life
>> Regards
>> Derek
>> 
>> On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Derek
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for 
>>> it, as can the person that loaned it to you. 
>>> It's a very fine line. 
>>> Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. 
>>> 
>>> It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and 
>>> legally sell the discs and serials). 
>>> You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it 
>>> (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. 
>>> 
>>> Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :))
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>> 
>>> ** For Everything Apple **
>>> 
>>> On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Ronni,
>>>> Yes I understand where you are coming from, & I did see the instructions 
>>>> on how to get a computer ready for sale.
>>>> 
>>>> I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed 
>>>> software for as long as they were able to & if & when it no longer became 
>>>> viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it & 
>>>> it wasn&

Re: imac for sale

[Reg Whitely]

Daniel, I think you are being very gracious, considering what has been said. 

I teach the ethics of copyright to my 10 year old's at school. What they then 
choose to do with that knowledge is then up to them. It's their choice, their 
life and their future, but at least they have been informed

For list members who would like to learn more, here is a good starting point 
http://www.copyright.org.au/

Regards

Reg

Reg Whitely

Home: 08 9921 7272
Mob: 04 8899 7313
Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net



On 19/06/2012, at 4:30 pm, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> Hi Derek
> 
> Sorry you feel that way. I wasn't  lecturing, I was simply mentioning, and 
> providing info to cover all parties. (buyer and seller). 
> I've had clients who have had problems (and legal issues) with computers they 
> bought themselves through eBay etc purchases with software they believed they 
> owned, but didn't because It was "preinstalled" and they get didn't serials 
> or software Discs and went to upgrade or reinstall and had issues with the 
> company (Microsoft, Adobe etc). 
> Software companies are more then happy to fine consumers in this area. 
> 
> That was my only reason for mentioning this. To cover all parties (buyer and 
> seller). At the end of day what people choose to do with the info is their 
> choice. It doesn't affect me either way. 
> 
> But I certainly don't "lecture", as anyone who knows me can attest to. 
> 
> I've said my piece and don't have anything else to add to it. 
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 4s
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web: 
> 
> ** For Everything Apple **

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Re: imac for sale

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Derek

Sorry you feel that way. I wasn't  lecturing, I was simply mentioning, and 
providing info to cover all parties. (buyer and seller). 
I've had clients who have had problems (and legal issues) with computers they 
bought themselves through eBay etc purchases with software they believed they 
owned, but didn't because It was "preinstalled" and they get didn't serials or 
software Discs and went to upgrade or reinstall and had issues with the company 
(Microsoft, Adobe etc). 
Software companies are more then happy to fine consumers in this area. 

That was my only reason for mentioning this. To cover all parties (buyer and 
seller). At the end of day what people choose to do with the info is their 
choice. It doesn't affect me either way. 

But I certainly don't "lecture", as anyone who knows me can attest to. 

I've said my piece and don't have anything else to add to it. 

Kind regards
Daniel 


Sent from my iPhone 4s

---
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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>

** For Everything Apple **

On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry  wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
> I know the pros & cons & don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as 
> much as I can &  as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, 
> then remove the offending posts, & remove my permission to post to wamug, 
> then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, & I'm fed up 
> with reading sanctimonious rants anyway.
> Have a good life
> Regards
> Derek
> 
> On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> Hi Derek
>> 
>> Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for 
>> it, as can the person that loaned it to you. 
>> It's a very fine line. 
>> Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. 
>> 
>> It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and 
>> legally sell the discs and serials). 
>> You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it 
>> (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. 
>> 
>> Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :))
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>> 
>> ** For Everything Apple **
>> 
>> On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> Yes I understand where you are coming from, & I did see the instructions on 
>>> how to get a computer ready for sale.
>>> 
>>> I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed 
>>> software for as long as they were able to & if & when it no longer became 
>>> viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it & it 
>>> wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while 
>>> it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free 
>>> to uninstall it.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Derek
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Ronda Brown 
>>> To: "wamug@wamug.org.au"  
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: imac for sale
>>> 
>>> Hi Derek,
>>> 
>>> You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't 
>>> legally own.
>>> 
>>> If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and 
>>> properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to 
>>> reinstall the software? 
>>> Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what 
>>> they are getting. 
>>> 
>>> Software is protected by federal copyright law.
>>> 
>>> The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS 
>>> (operating system).
>>> We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale 
>>> only a few days ago.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>> 
>>> On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>> Thanks for your enquiry the  short answ

Re: imac for sale

[Derek Perry]

Roger,
I am sorry,(this is not directed at you personally) but I am 67 years of age, & 
have been around long enough now, to be more than capable of being my own 
keeper, & I don't need anyone else to do it for me, if at any time I feel I 
need advice, I'm not shy, I will be the first to ask for it.
Regards
Derek
PS To all the group I hope now that the subject will be closed.
PPS computer still for sale for $2500 o.n.o

On 19/06/2012, at 3:49 PM, Roger Kortas wrote:

> Hi Derek
> 
> There is no need to take that attitude, the guys were trying to help you .
> 
> 
> Roger
> 
> On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry wrote:
> 
>> Hi Daniel,
>> I know the pros & cons & don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people 
>> as much as I can &  as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about 
>> it, then remove the offending posts, & remove my permission to post to 
>> wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, & I'm 
>> fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway.
>> Have a good life
>> Regards
>> Derek
>> 
>> On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Derek
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for 
>>> it, as can the person that loaned it to you. 
>>> It's a very fine line. 
>>> Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. 
>>> 
>>> It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and 
>>> legally sell the discs and serials). 
>>> You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it 
>>> (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. 
>>> 
>>> Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :))
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>> 
>>> ** For Everything Apple **
>>> 
>>> On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Ronni,
>>>> Yes I understand where you are coming from, & I did see the instructions 
>>>> on how to get a computer ready for sale.
>>>> 
>>>> I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed 
>>>> software for as long as they were able to & if & when it no longer became 
>>>> viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it & 
>>>> it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them 
>>>> while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free 
>>>> to uninstall it.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> Derek
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Ronda Brown 
>>>> To: "wamug@wamug.org.au"  
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: imac for sale
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Derek,
>>>> 
>>>> You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't 
>>>> legally own.
>>>> 
>>>> If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and 
>>>> properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to 
>>>> reinstall the software? 
>>>> Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly 
>>>> what they are getting. 
>>>> 
>>>> Software is protected by federal copyright law.
>>>> 
>>>> The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS 
>>>> (operating system).
>>>> We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for 
>>>> sale only a few days ago.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ronni
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>> Thanks for your enquiry the  short answer is no.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Explanation:
>>>>> The software discs are owned by a 

Re: imac for sale

[Roger Kortas]

Hi Derek

There is no need to take that attitude, the guys were trying to help you .


Roger

On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
> I know the pros & cons & don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as 
> much as I can &  as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, 
> then remove the offending posts, & remove my permission to post to wamug, 
> then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, & I'm fed up 
> with reading sanctimonious rants anyway.
> Have a good life
> Regards
> Derek
> 
> On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> Hi Derek
>> 
>> Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for 
>> it, as can the person that loaned it to you. 
>> It's a very fine line. 
>> Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. 
>> 
>> It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and 
>> legally sell the discs and serials). 
>> You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it 
>> (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. 
>> 
>> Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :))
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>> 
>> ** For Everything Apple **
>> 
>> On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> Yes I understand where you are coming from, & I did see the instructions on 
>>> how to get a computer ready for sale.
>>> 
>>> I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed 
>>> software for as long as they were able to & if & when it no longer became 
>>> viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it & it 
>>> wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while 
>>> it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free 
>>> to uninstall it.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Derek
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Ronda Brown 
>>> To: "wamug@wamug.org.au"  
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: imac for sale
>>> 
>>> Hi Derek,
>>> 
>>> You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't 
>>> legally own.
>>> 
>>> If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and 
>>> properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to 
>>> reinstall the software? 
>>> Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what 
>>> they are getting. 
>>> 
>>> Software is protected by federal copyright law.
>>> 
>>> The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS 
>>> (operating system).
>>> We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale 
>>> only a few days ago.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>> 
>>> On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>> Thanks for your enquiry the  short answer is no.
>>>> 
>>>> Explanation:
>>>> The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, 
>>>> the software is loaded on the machine & it is free, to whoever buys the 
>>>> computer & it is all fully functional.
>>>> 
>>>> All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only 
>>>> the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple.
>>>> 
>>>> The remote controller & the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are 
>>>> also free with the computer.
>>>> 
>>>> If you have any other questions please ask.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Derek
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Derek
>>>>> 
>>>>> Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs 
>>>>>

Re: imac for sale

[Derek Perry]

Hi Daniel,
I know the pros & cons & don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as 
much as I can &  as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, 
then remove the offending posts, & remove my permission to post to wamug, then 
I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, & I'm fed up with 
reading sanctimonious rants anyway.
Have a good life
Regards
Derek

On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> Hi Derek
> 
> Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for 
> it, as can the person that loaned it to you. 
> It's a very fine line. 
> Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. 
> 
> It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and 
> legally sell the discs and serials). 
> You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or 
> even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. 
> 
> Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :))
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 4s
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
> 
> ** For Everything Apple **
> 
> On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni,
>> Yes I understand where you are coming from, & I did see the instructions on 
>> how to get a computer ready for sale.
>> 
>> I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed 
>> software for as long as they were able to & if & when it no longer became 
>> viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it & it 
>> wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while 
>> it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner.
>> 
>> 
>> If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free 
>> to uninstall it.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Derek
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Ronda Brown 
>> To: "wamug@wamug.org.au"  
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: imac for sale
>> 
>> Hi Derek,
>> 
>> You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't 
>> legally own.
>> 
>> If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and 
>> properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to 
>> reinstall the software? 
>> Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what 
>> they are getting. 
>> 
>> Software is protected by federal copyright law.
>> 
>> The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS 
>> (operating system).
>> We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale 
>> only a few days ago.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>> Thanks for your enquiry the  short answer is no.
>>> 
>>> Explanation:
>>> The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, 
>>> the software is loaded on the machine & it is free, to whoever buys the 
>>> computer & it is all fully functional.
>>> 
>>> All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only 
>>> the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple.
>>> 
>>> The remote controller & the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are 
>>> also free with the computer.
>>> 
>>> If you have any other questions please ask.
>>> Thanks
>>> Derek
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Derek
>>>> 
>>>> Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs 
>>>> and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork)
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Daniel
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> Daniel Kerr
>>>> MacWizardry
>>>> 
>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>>> Email: 
>>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> **For everything Apple**
>>>> 
>>>> On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote:
>>>> 
>>

Re: imac for sale

[Derek Perry]

Ronni
Just remove the offending posts, I will remove software from computer before 
sale, also if I buy a software program, then as far as I'm concerned I own it & 
I will do with it whatever I think fit & that includes putting it on as many 
computers that will allow it to install & run.
Derek

On 19/06/2012, at 1:47 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Derek,
> 
> How I feel has nothing to do with this at all.
> 
> Software is never sold, Its always licensed! You get a copy of it and a 
> license to use it.
> This is not new, its the way all proprietary software has been "sold" since 
> the dawn of personal computing.
> 
> "The law says that anyone who purchases a copy of software has the right to 
> load that copy onto a single computer and to make another copy "for archival 
> purposes only" or, in limited circumstances, for "purposes only of 
> maintenance or repair." 
> 
> It is illegal to use that software on more than one computer or to make or 
> distribute copies of that software for any other purpose unless specific 
> permission has been obtained from the software publisher.
> 
> If you pirate software, you may face not only a civil suit for damages and 
> other relief, but criminal liability as well, including fines and jail terms."
> 
> We have Apple Representatives who sometimes read our mailing list as I've 
> been contacted offlist by them on occasion (to help a situation). 
> 
> We would not want them to think we as a group condone breaking copyright laws!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni,
>> Yes I understand where you are coming from, & I did see the instructions on 
>> how to get a computer ready for sale.
>> 
>> I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed 
>> software for as long as they were able to & if & when it no longer became 
>> viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it & it 
>> wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while 
>> it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner.
>> 
>> 
>> If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free 
>> to uninstall it.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Derek
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Ronda Brown 
>> To: "wamug@wamug.org.au"  
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: imac for sale
>> 
>> Hi Derek,
>> 
>> You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't 
>> legally own.
>> 
>> If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and 
>> properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to 
>> reinstall the software? 
>> Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what 
>> they are getting. 
>> 
>> Software is protected by federal copyright law.
>> 
>> The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS 
>> (operating system).
>> We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale 
>> only a few days ago.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>> Thanks for your enquiry the  short answer is no.
>>> 
>>> Explanation:
>>> The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, 
>>> the software is loaded on the machine & it is free, to whoever buys the 
>>> computer & it is all fully functional.
>>> 
>>> All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only 
>>> the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple.
>>> 
>>> The remote controller & the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are 
>>> also free with the computer.
>>> 
>>> If you have any other questions please ask.
>>> Thanks
>>> Derek
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Derek
>>>> 
>>>> Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs 
>>>> and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork)
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Daniel
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>

Re: imac for sale

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Derek,

How I feel has nothing to do with this at all.

Software is never sold, Its always licensed! You get a copy of it and a license 
to use it.
This is not new, its the way all proprietary software has been "sold" since the 
dawn of personal computing.

"The law says that anyone who purchases a copy of software has the right to 
load that copy onto a single computer and to make another copy "for archival 
purposes only" or, in limited circumstances, for "purposes only of maintenance 
or repair." 

It is illegal to use that software on more than one computer or to make or 
distribute copies of that software for any other purpose unless specific 
permission has been obtained from the software publisher.

 If you pirate software, you may face not only a civil suit for damages and 
other relief, but criminal liability as well, including fines and jail terms."

We have Apple Representatives who sometimes read our mailing list as I've been 
contacted offlist by them on occasion (to help a situation). 

We would not want them to think we as a group condone breaking copyright laws!

Cheers,

Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry  wrote:

> Hi Ronni,
> Yes I understand where you are coming from, & I did see the instructions on 
> how to get a computer ready for sale.
> 
> I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed 
> software for as long as they were able to & if & when it no longer became 
> viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it & it 
> wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while 
> it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner.
> 
> 
> If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to 
> uninstall it.
> 
> Regards
> Derek
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ronda Brown 
> To: "wamug@wamug.org.au"  
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: imac for sale
> 
> Hi Derek,
> 
> You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't 
> legally own.
> 
> If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and 
> properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall 
> the software? 
> Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what 
> they are getting. 
> 
> Software is protected by federal copyright law.
> 
> The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS 
> (operating system).
> We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale 
> only a few days ago.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Daniel,
>> Thanks for your enquiry the  short answer is no.
>> 
>> Explanation:
>> The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the 
>> software is loaded on the machine & it is free, to whoever buys the computer 
>> & it is all fully functional.
>> 
>> All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only 
>> the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple.
>> 
>> The remote controller & the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are 
>> also free with the computer.
>> 
>> If you have any other questions please ask.
>> Thanks
>> Derek
>> 
>> 
>> On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Derek
>>> 
>>> Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs 
>>> and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork)
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Apple**
>>> 
>>> On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give 
>>>> someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was 
>>>> bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree & has hardly been used, maybe 
>>>> turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have 
>>>> original receipts & boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, 
>>>> Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5

Re: imac for sale

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Derek

Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, 
as can the person that loaned it to you. 
It's a very fine line. 
Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. 

It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and 
legally sell the discs and serials). 
You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or 
even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. 

Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :))

Kind regards
Daniel


Sent from my iPhone 4s

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>

** For Everything Apple **

On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry  wrote:

> Hi Ronni,
> Yes I understand where you are coming from, & I did see the instructions on 
> how to get a computer ready for sale.
> 
> I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed 
> software for as long as they were able to & if & when it no longer became 
> viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it & it 
> wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while 
> it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner.
> 
> 
> If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to 
> uninstall it.
> 
> Regards
> Derek
> 
> 
> 
> ________
> From: Ronda Brown 
> To: "wamug@wamug.org.au"  
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: imac for sale
> 
> Hi Derek,
> 
> You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't 
> legally own.
> 
> If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and 
> properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall 
> the software? 
> Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what 
> they are getting. 
> 
> Software is protected by federal copyright law.
> 
> The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS 
> (operating system).
> We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale 
> only a few days ago.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Daniel,
>> Thanks for your enquiry the  short answer is no.
>> 
>> Explanation:
>> The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the 
>> software is loaded on the machine & it is free, to whoever buys the computer 
>> & it is all fully functional.
>> 
>> All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only 
>> the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple.
>> 
>> The remote controller & the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are 
>> also free with the computer.
>> 
>> If you have any other questions please ask.
>> Thanks
>> Derek
>> 
>> 
>> On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Derek
>>> 
>>> Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs 
>>> and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork)
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Apple**
>>> 
>>> On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give 
>>>> someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was 
>>>> bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree & has hardly been used, maybe 
>>>> turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have 
>>>> original receipts & boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, 
>>>> Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of 
>>>> others.
>>>> 
>>>> The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer & hardly ever use this 
>>>> one, so it is really surplus to requirements.
>>>> 
>>>> Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 & I am open to reasonable offers, 
>>>> contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime
>>>> 
>>>> specifications are:
&g

Re: imac for sale

[Derek Perry]

Hi Ronni,
Yes I understand where you are coming from, & I did see the instructions on how 
to get a computer ready for sale.

I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software 
for as long as they were able to & if & when it no longer became viable then 
they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it & it wasn't theirs 
in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just 
as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner.


If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to 
uninstall it.

Regards
Derek




 From: Ronda Brown 
To: "wamug@wamug.org.au"  
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: imac for sale
 
Hi Derek,

You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally 
own.

If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and 
properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall 
the software? 
Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what 
they are getting. 

Software is protected by federal copyright law.

The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS 
(operating system).
We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale 
only a few days ago.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry  wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
> Thanks for your enquiry the  short answer is no.
> 
> Explanation:
> The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the 
> software is loaded on the machine & it is free, to whoever buys the computer 
> & it is all fully functional.
> 
> All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the 
> stuff on it that is supplied by Apple.
> 
> The remote controller & the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also 
> free with the computer.
> 
> If you have any other questions please ask.
> Thanks
> Derek
> 
> 
> On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> Hi Derek
>> 
>> Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and 
>> serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork)
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give 
>>> someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was 
>>> bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree & has hardly been used, maybe 
>>> turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have 
>>> original receipts & boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, 
>>> Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of 
>>> others.
>>> 
>>> The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer & hardly ever use this 
>>> one, so it is really surplus to requirements.
>>> 
>>> Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 & I am open to reasonable offers, 
>>> contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime
>>> 
>>> specifications are:
>>> 
>>> iMac 27"  3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7
>>> 1TB Hard drive
>>> 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333
>>> AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card
>>> Apple Magic Mouse & Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused)
>>> Apple Wireless Keyboard
>>> Apple remote (unused)
>>> Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries
>>> Apple care protection plan (Never used)
>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
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>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml>
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>> 
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Re: imac for sale

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Derek,

You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally 
own.
 
If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and 
properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall 
the software? 
Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what 
they are getting. 

Software is protected by federal copyright law.

The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS 
(operating system).
We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale 
only a few days ago.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry  wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
> Thanks for your enquiry the  short answer is no.
> 
> Explanation:
> The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the 
> software is loaded on the machine & it is free, to whoever buys the computer 
> & it is all fully functional.
> 
> All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the 
> stuff on it that is supplied by Apple.
> 
> The remote controller & the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also 
> free with the computer.
> 
> If you have any other questions please ask.
> Thanks
> Derek
> 
> 
> On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> Hi Derek
>> 
>> Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and 
>> serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork)
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give 
>>> someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was 
>>> bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree & has hardly been used, maybe 
>>> turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have 
>>> original receipts & boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, 
>>> Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of 
>>> others.
>>> 
>>> The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer & hardly ever use this 
>>> one, so it is really surplus to requirements.
>>> 
>>> Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 & I am open to reasonable offers, 
>>> contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime
>>> 
>>> specifications are:
>>> 
>>> iMac 27"  3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7
>>> 1TB Hard drive
>>> 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333
>>> AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card
>>> Apple Magic Mouse & Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused)
>>> Apple Wireless Keyboard
>>> Apple remote (unused)
>>> Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries
>>> Apple care protection plan (Never used)
>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml>
>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml>
>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
>> 
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Re: imac for sale

[Derek Perry]

Hi Daniel,
Thanks for your enquiry the  short answer is no.

Explanation:
The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the 
software is loaded on the machine & it is free, to whoever buys the computer & 
it is all fully functional.

All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the 
stuff on it that is supplied by Apple.

The remote controller & the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also 
free with the computer.

If you have any other questions please ask.
Thanks
Derek


On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> Hi Derek
> 
> Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and 
> serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork)
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 4s
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give 
>> someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was 
>> bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree & has hardly been used, maybe 
>> turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have 
>> original receipts & boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, 
>> Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of 
>> others.
>> 
>> The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer & hardly ever use this 
>> one, so it is really surplus to requirements.
>> 
>> Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 & I am open to reasonable offers, 
>> contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime
>> 
>> specifications are:
>> 
>> iMac 27"  3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7
>> 1TB Hard drive
>> 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333
>> AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card
>> Apple Magic Mouse & Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused)
>> Apple Wireless Keyboard
>> Apple remote (unused)
>> Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries
>> Apple care protection plan (Never used)
>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml>
>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml>
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Re: imac for sale

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Derek

Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and 
serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork)

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 4s

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>


**For everything Apple**

On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote:

> Hi All,
> I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone 
> on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in 
> June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree & has hardly been used, maybe turned on 
> once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original 
> receipts & boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 
> 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others.
> 
> The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer & hardly ever use this 
> one, so it is really surplus to requirements.
> 
> Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 & I am open to reasonable offers, 
> contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime
> 
> specifications are:
> 
> iMac 27"  3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7
> 1TB Hard drive
> 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333
> AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card
> Apple Magic Mouse & Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused)
> Apple Wireless Keyboard
> Apple remote (unused)
> Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries
> Apple care protection plan (Never used)
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Re: imac for sale

[Roger Kortas]

No, :)
On 18/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, lynn...@westnet.com.au wrote:

> hi roger
> 
> would your comparison price include all the software Derek has mentioned?
> 
> regards
> lynn
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Roger Kortas" 
> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
> Sent: Monday, 18 June, 2012 12:39:06 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong 
> Kong / Urumqi
> Subject: Re: imac for sale
> 
> Hi Derek
> 
> For a comparison a new 27" iMac with those specs and 16gb is A$ 3,287.00 
> incl. 
> 
> 
> best regards
> 
> Roger
> 
> On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give 
>> someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was 
>> bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree & has hardly been used, maybe 
>> turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have 
>> original receipts & boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, 
>> Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of 
>> others.
>> 
>> The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer & hardly ever use this 
>> one, so it is really surplus to requirements.
>> 
>> Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 & I am open to reasonable offers, 
>> contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime
>> 
>> specifications are:
>> 
>> iMac 27"  3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7
>> 1TB Hard drive
>> 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333
>> AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card
>> Apple Magic Mouse & Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused)
>> Apple Wireless Keyboard
>> Apple remote (unused)
>> Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries
>> Apple care protection plan (Never used)
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Re: imac for sale

[lynnkoh]

hi roger

would your comparison price include all the software Derek has mentioned?

regards
lynn

- Original Message -
From: "Roger Kortas" 
To: wamug@wamug.org.au
Sent: Monday, 18 June, 2012 12:39:06 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong 
Kong / Urumqi
Subject: Re: imac for sale

Hi Derek

For a comparison a new 27" iMac with those specs and 16gb is A$ 3,287.00 incl. 


best regards

Roger

On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote:

> Hi All,
> I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone 
> on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in 
> June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree & has hardly been used, maybe turned on 
> once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original 
> receipts & boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 
> 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others.
> 
> The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer & hardly ever use this 
> one, so it is really surplus to requirements.
> 
> Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 & I am open to reasonable offers, 
> contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime
> 
> specifications are:
> 
> iMac 27"  3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7
> 1TB Hard drive
> 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333
> AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card
> Apple Magic Mouse & Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused)
> Apple Wireless Keyboard
> Apple remote (unused)
> Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries
> Apple care protection plan (Never used)
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Re: imac for sale

[Derek Perry]

Thanks.Derek

On 18/06/2012, at 12:39 PM, Roger Kortas wrote:

> Hi Derek
> 
> For a comparison a new 27" iMac with those specs and 16gb is A$ 3,287.00 
> incl. 
> 
> 
> best regards
> 
> Roger
> 
> On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give 
>> someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was 
>> bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree & has hardly been used, maybe 
>> turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have 
>> original receipts & boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, 
>> Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of 
>> others.
>> 
>> The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer & hardly ever use this 
>> one, so it is really surplus to requirements.
>> 
>> Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 & I am open to reasonable offers, 
>> contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime
>> 
>> specifications are:
>> 
>> iMac 27"  3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7
>> 1TB Hard drive
>> 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333
>> AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card
>> Apple Magic Mouse & Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused)
>> Apple Wireless Keyboard
>> Apple remote (unused)
>> Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries
>> Apple care protection plan (Never used)
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Re: imac for sale

[Roger Kortas]

Hi Derek

For a comparison a new 27" iMac with those specs and 16gb is A$ 3,287.00 incl. 


best regards

Roger

On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote:

> Hi All,
> I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone 
> on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in 
> June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree & has hardly been used, maybe turned on 
> once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original 
> receipts & boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 
> 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others.
> 
> The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer & hardly ever use this 
> one, so it is really surplus to requirements.
> 
> Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 & I am open to reasonable offers, 
> contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime
> 
> specifications are:
> 
> iMac 27"  3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7
> 1TB Hard drive
> 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333
> AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card
> Apple Magic Mouse & Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused)
> Apple Wireless Keyboard
> Apple remote (unused)
> Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries
> Apple care protection plan (Never used)
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imac for sale

[Derek Perry]

Hi All,
I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone 
on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 
2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree & has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a 
week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts & 
boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 
11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others.

The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer & hardly ever use this one, 
so it is really surplus to requirements.

Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 & I am open to reasonable offers, contact 
me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime

specifications are:

iMac 27"  3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7
1TB Hard drive
4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333
AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card
Apple Magic Mouse & Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused)
Apple Wireless Keyboard
Apple remote (unused)
Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries
Apple care protection plan (Never used)
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Macbook Pro's and iMac for sale

[Ashley Mulder]

Hello all

Got 2 macbook pro's and an iMac for sale

17" Macbook Pro 2,1Late 2006
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB Ram
160GB HD
x1600 256MB Vid Card
faulty mobo which means no inboard wireless, but uses 34mm express card for 
wireless fine
10.6 with snow leopard dvd's

15" MAcbook Pro 1,1 Late 2005 i believe
2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1.5GB Ram
120GB HD
x1600 128MB vid card
10.5

15" iMac 4,1
1.83GHz Intel Core Duo
1.5GB Ram
165GB HD
x1600 128MB vid card
10.5

If anybody wants all three, im looking at $2000
separately: 17" macbook pro $900
15" macbook pro $850
iMac $500

i am open to offers...frankly i really want all 3 gone



Ashley Mulder
Bachelor of Science (Forensic and Analytical Chemistry) (Forensic Science Hons.)
Student Ambassador
Curtin University of Technology
ashley.mul...@student.curtin.edu.au







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iMac For Sale

[Adrian Skehan]

Is there anyone out there interested in the following:

iMac G5
G5 
Processor Speed:2.1 GHz
Memory: 2.5 GB
Superdrive CD-Write:-R, -RW, DVD-Write: -R, -R DL, -RAM, -RW, +R, +R 
DL, +RW
Memory  2.5 GB
AirPort Extreme
Hard Drive: 1Tb



Regards,

Adrian
adrianske...@me.com



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17" 1.83GHz iMac For Sale (NOW $900)

[Michael Woods]

Price has dropped to $900, please note there is no keyboard or mouse  
with the imac.






From: Michael Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 13 May 2008 10:57:05 PM
To: WAMUG Mailing List 
Subject: 17" 1.83GHz iMac For Sale ($1000)

17" 1.83GHz iMac For Sale. ($1000)

1.83GHz Intel Core Duo Processor
2MB shared L2 cache
1536MB DDR2 SDRAM (1 x 1024MB DDR2 SDRAM and 1 x 512MB DDR2 SDRAM)
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-loading SuperDrive (
17-inch widescreen active Matrix LCD display
ATI Radeon X1600 graphics processor with 128MB of GDDR3 SDRAM
Built-in iSight video camera
Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Ethernet
Two Firewire 400 ports
Three high-speed USB 2.0 Ports
Built-in Airport Extreme wireless networking (802.11g)
Built-in Bluetooth 2.0
Apple Remote

Software:
Mac OS 10.4.4
iLife '06

- Mint condition.
- Purchased in April 2006.
- Fire sale moving to London.
- Can send photos through upon request.

Thanks and regards,

MPBW






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17" 1.83GHz iMac For Sale ($1000)

[Michael Woods]

17" 1.83GHz iMac For Sale. ($1000)

1.83GHz Intel Core Duo Processor
2MB shared L2 cache
1536MB DDR2 SDRAM (1 x 1024MB DDR2 SDRAM and 1 x 512MB DDR2 SDRAM)
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-loading SuperDrive (
17-inch widescreen active Matrix LCD display
ATI Radeon X1600 graphics processor with 128MB of GDDR3 SDRAM
Built-in iSight video camera
Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Ethernet
Two Firewire 400 ports
Three high-speed USB 2.0 Ports
Built-in Airport Extreme wireless networking (802.11g)
Built-in Bluetooth 2.0
Apple Remote
Apple Keyboard
Mighty Mouse

Software:
Mac OS 10.4.4
iLife '06

- Mint condition.
- Purchased in April 2006.
- Fire sale moving to London.
- Can send photos through upon request.

Thanks and regards,

MPBW 


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17" iMac for sale

[Adrian Skehan]

I have a 1gHz, 17', 80 Gig HD, G4, Superdrive iMac with 1 gig Memory  
for sale. All original Software and Packaging etc. currently running  
OS X 10.4.9.  Anyone interested please contact me off list.



Regards

Adrian.

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Strawberry Imac for sale

[Gavin Criddle]

 Hey y'all,

I'm selling my Strawberry Imac if anyone wants it:

Strawberry Imac 333MHZ
"Idance" stand
288MB Ram
20Gig hard drive
Logitech Cordless Optical Mouse
OS 9 and 10.1 media
OS 10.2 media

$150

If you're living in the metro area, I'll happily drop it off.

I'm selling this as I just picked up a 12" ibook - which really offended
me - laptops are not allowed to be working, fully patched and working
wirelessly 30 mins out of the box - that's just not on.  Murphy must
have a cold or something.

Regards,

Gavin

Gavin Criddle
Helpdesk Officer
Humanities IT Services
Curtin University of Technology
t: +61 08 9266 7237
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IMac for sale

[Stephen Chape]

Hi there folks,

I have an iMac 266 for sale.
6 GB hard drive.
RAM has been expanded to 384MB
Includes Pro keyboard and Pro mouse.
OSX 10.1.5 installed (all CD's included).

I feel that $200 is a reasonable asking price.


Regards,
Stephen Chape

Blueberry iMac for Sale

[Reg Whitely]

Hello WAMUGgers
Please consider this opportunity to buy a nice computer, forwarded from 
GMUG mailing list. I can personally recommend it as a really nice 
computer.


Regards
Reg

Begin forwarded message:

From: Karen Cowie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun Nov 9, 2003  12:58:42 pm Australia/Perth
To: Reg Whitely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A favour

Reg,
Would you be able to forward my for sale on the computer to the WAMUG 
list? Someone out there might be interested in buying it.


Details are:

It is a blueberry iMac, 3yo.
Features are 15 inch screen, 350mHz G3 processor, 64 MB RAM (can take 
up to 512), 6GB hard drive,ethernet, USB, (no firewire, sorry) will 
support airport, slot-loading CD drive. And I have all original CD's to 
go with it.

Best offer!!! It is a good machine.
I can box it up and send it to the happy buyer.

Thanks Reg!!!

G4 iMac for sale

[Susan Burgmann]

Hello folks,
I have an almost new 800MHz PowerPC G4 iMac that i wish to sell.
It has a 15" LED screen, Superdrive, 60gb hard disc drive, 256ram and a 3yr
extended AppleCare warranty. It has extra software loaded and is near new
in the box. Am asking $3200 and have advertised it in this weeks Quoka and
Sunday Times. I thought you guys might like first crack at it. First in gets
a bargain!
Please email me or phone if you are interested. I live in Yokine. 
Thank you

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Susan 9440.6074 

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iMac for sale

[Adrian Skehan]

For sale -- I am looking to trade up so I have an iMac SuperDrive 15" 
Flat Screen, 512 mb memory OS 10.2.5 with all other updates installed, 
Office X, photoshop 7, FileMaker 6, Norton (Full suite), Virtual PC 5 
and heaps of other OS X stuff loaded
$3,200
0412 841 453

http://www.cosmic.com.au/skehan
http://www.elink.net.au/~askehan
I love my iMac

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iMac for sale

[Kathryn Purvey]

I have a purple iMac 333 for sale... $700

any offers. ?

call

Kathy 08 9470 2662

iMac for sale

[Kathryn Purvey]

purple iMac for sale 333

$700

contact

kathy

08 9470 2662

Imac for sale

[Rob Findlay]

I have a friend selling an imac for a reasonable price privately
iMac is a Bondi G3 333Mhz with 64MB Ram, USB, (no firewire),
LAN, 6GB Hard Drive, CD-ROM.
Asking $600
Please ring him directly
Carson Griffiths - 0438 988742