Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
Sounds like you better 'sell' the 'effect' to the client real quick!! :-) Antony : ...yeah, but seriously... this is the final, and the lettering, hmm, I just thought it matched the background better... ? Client : pause ok... yes, I can see what you're saying now... great! Good luck, Mark S - Original Message - From: Antony N. Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Thursday, 6 May 2004 21:56 Subject: Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts... the export preset press uses acrobat 4 format. change this to version 5 (or later, if you are using CS i guess). v5 handles transparency much better methinks Have tried this without luck. Went to the printers (OfficeWorks are closest to me and are fine for a few A4 / A3 copies rather than giant runs) with at least 4 different versions of the art : different acrobat formats, transparency settings, recreated the original logo for importing - all with the same effect... -- == == = = Antony N. Lord = http://antonylord.com = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Perth, Western Australia = == = == -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, May 06, 2004 at 09:56:35PM +0800, Antony N. Lord wrote: http://antonylord.dyndns.org/GeneralA3.pdf Views fine, Actually, there's definitely something fishy with that logo. Is it possible for you to make the logo (you say it was given to you as EPS?) available separately? Perhaps the artist tried to adjust the bounding box of the EPS by adding a filled white box with 100% transparency (ick ick!). prints with a strange punch out effect over the Sapphire lettering / logo at the top...
RE: One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
Antony, I can see what's causing some of your printing issues - reply to me off list and we'll fix it. You've got a wacky path hidden but printing. Try opening the pdf file in Illustrator, then peform a select all and you can see it pretty clearly. :) Cheers, Tobes. -- From: Antony N. Lord Sent: Thursday, 6 May 2004 9:56 PM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts... To work around I open and rasterize it in Photoshop and save it as a single layer (transparent background) in PDF format. Yikes. Sorry, that should be a PSD (Photoshop) file hence the transparency. A typical culprit can be seen here : http://antonylord.dyndns.org/GeneralA3.pdf Views fine, prints with a strange punch out effect over the Sapphire lettering / logo at the top... -- == == = = Antony N. Lord = http://antonylord.com = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Perth, Western Australia = == = == -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
RE: One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
Sorry Antony, I when I say hidden, I mean you've got a wacky clipping mask issue. :) -- From: Antony N. Lord Sent: Thursday, 6 May 2004 9:56 PM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts... the export preset press uses acrobat 4 format. change this to version 5 (or later, if you are using CS i guess). v5 handles transparency much better methinks Have tried this without luck. Went to the printers (OfficeWorks are closest to me and are fine for a few A4 / A3 copies rather than giant runs) with at least 4 different versions of the art : different acrobat formats, transparency settings, recreated the original logo for importing - all with the same effect... -- == == = = Antony N. Lord = http://antonylord.com = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Perth, Western Australia = == = == -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
on 5/5/04 7:55 PM, Antony N. Lord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I bit the bullet and bought the Adobe Design CS Premium suite to bring all my graphic design work up a notch. Almost all the printing companies I work with required PDF format files for output. Most of my layout work (posters and business cards) I do in InDesign an use the Press PDF export preset. I have one fairly major problem : * Some PDFs display correctly but don't print as they look Example I have been supplied with a logo in EPS format. Its white lettering on what appears to be a transparent background (when viewed in Illustrator). I don't seem to be able to get it to appear / behave as white lettering on a transparent background when I place it in InDesign. To work around I open and rasterize it in Photoshop and save it as a single layer (transparent background) in PDF format. It places in InDesign and displays properly. However when I print I get a variety of effects - mostly cutouts (box shape around the lettering) or burn throughs. I suspect something to do with transparency settings? I've trawled the help files (how I miss a big set of dead tree manuals) and googled but can't seem to work it out. Any design professionals out there with any ideas? I'd be happy to forward an example culprit PDF. Cheers, Antony. Hi Antony, Was very interested to read your message the subsequent suggestions from James Darren. I work with Quark also send the occasional file as a PDF to printers but actually prefer to burn to CD and save as EPS or native Quark post to printer. Not a good solution but safer. I too don't trust PDF's. Regarding the background. Seems to me like you need to convert the lettering to a clipping path (in Photoshop). This is the only way to remove those white backgrounds that come into all PSD files saved for export. Go to Help in PSD and type in Clipping Path or go to: file:///HARD%20DRIVE/Graphics/Adobe%20Photoshop%207/Help/help.html Could you send me the file? Good luck I'll be interested to see how you get on. Denise Williams-Photographer Ph/fax 08- 9447 3468 Mob 0417 184592
Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
I am not an InDesign expert (as only used once), but I believe you should be able open the Illustrator file directly in InDesign (native, don't PDF it across??). As a work around, you should be able to open the Illustrator native file in Photoshop (don't PDF it) and set the incoming opening pixel size to a suitable DPI for output and then save as a PSD photoshop image. It will retain the transparency and can then be opened into InDesign (as PSD, not PDF) for positioning. Good luck, Mark Scholmann - Original Message - From: Denise Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Thursday, 6 May 2004 11:02 Subject: Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts... on 5/5/04 7:55 PM, Antony N. Lord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I bit the bullet and bought the Adobe Design CS Premium suite to bring all my graphic design work up a notch. Almost all the printing companies I work with required PDF format files for output. Most of my layout work (posters and business cards) I do in InDesign an use the Press PDF export preset. I have one fairly major problem : * Some PDFs display correctly but don't print as they look Example I have been supplied with a logo in EPS format. Its white lettering on what appears to be a transparent background (when viewed in Illustrator). I don't seem to be able to get it to appear / behave as white lettering on a transparent background when I place it in InDesign. To work around I open and rasterize it in Photoshop and save it as a single layer (transparent background) in PDF format. It places in InDesign and displays properly. However when I print I get a variety of effects - mostly cutouts (box shape around the lettering) or burn throughs. I suspect something to do with transparency settings? I've trawled the help files (how I miss a big set of dead tree manuals) and googled but can't seem to work it out. Any design professionals out there with any ideas? I'd be happy to forward an example culprit PDF. Cheers, Antony. Hi Antony, Was very interested to read your message the subsequent suggestions from James Darren. I work with Quark also send the occasional file as a PDF to printers but actually prefer to burn to CD and save as EPS or native Quark post to printer. Not a good solution but safer. I too don't trust PDF's. Regarding the background. Seems to me like you need to convert the lettering to a clipping path (in Photoshop). This is the only way to remove those white backgrounds that come into all PSD files saved for export. Go to Help in PSD and type in Clipping Path or go to: file:///HARD%20DRIVE/Graphics/Adobe%20Photoshop%207/Help/help.html Could you send me the file? Good luck I'll be interested to see how you get on. Denise Williams-Photographer Ph/fax 08- 9447 3468 Mob 0417 184592 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
RE: One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
Hi Antony, Have you tried re-saving the file as an Illustrator CS eps after ungrouping any paths you can find in the file? The problem sounds a little like the original eps file has it's own grouping/cropping/masking tech separate to Illustrators, which can cause print problems (Used to get it with Freehand eps files all the time, Although Illustrator CS seems to hande them better IMHO). Mark's right, InDesign CS can now take Illustrator and Photoshop files in their native format, but there are still occasional issues when exporting to PDF (among other thing's, Illustrator's font engine doesn't always play nice with InDesigns') - as mentioned earlier, the PDF file generated features transparency that's a little too advanced for most RIPs. You can try running it through Acrobat professional PDF pre-flighting tool, but you're probably better off sticking with eps files, and keeping it vector based if possible. If you haven't been able to fix it yet mail me a copy and I'll have a squizz; might be able to assist. Cheers, Tobes. P.S. Had an amazing issue with a powerpoint presentation that was 362kb in it's native format, 168meg in it's Apple generated PDF format, then 1meg after Acrobat's 'reduce file size' command. Weird. -- From: Mark Scholmann Sent: Thursday, 6 May 2004 11:20 AM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts... I am not an InDesign expert (as only used once), but I believe you should be able open the Illustrator file directly in InDesign (native, don't PDF it across??). As a work around, you should be able to open the Illustrator native file in Photoshop (don't PDF it) and set the incoming opening pixel size to a suitable DPI for output and then save as a PSD photoshop image. It will retain the transparency and can then be opened into InDesign (as PSD, not PDF) for positioning. Good luck, Mark Scholmann - Original Message - From: Denise Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Thursday, 6 May 2004 11:02 Subject: Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts... on 5/5/04 7:55 PM, Antony N. Lord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I bit the bullet and bought the Adobe Design CS Premium suite to bring all my graphic design work up a notch. Almost all the printing companies I work with required PDF format files for output. Most of my layout work (posters and business cards) I do in InDesign an use the Press PDF export preset. I have one fairly major problem : * Some PDFs display correctly but don't print as they look Example I have been supplied with a logo in EPS format. Its white lettering on what appears to be a transparent background (when viewed in Illustrator). I don't seem to be able to get it to appear / behave as white lettering on a transparent background when I place it in InDesign. To work around I open and rasterize it in Photoshop and save it as a single layer (transparent background) in PDF format. It places in InDesign and displays properly. However when I print I get a variety of effects - mostly cutouts (box shape around the lettering) or burn throughs. I suspect something to do with transparency settings? I've trawled the help files (how I miss a big set of dead tree manuals) and googled but can't seem to work it out. Any design professionals out there with any ideas? I'd be happy to forward an example culprit PDF. Cheers, Antony. Hi Antony, Was very interested to read your message the subsequent suggestions from James Darren. I work with Quark also send the occasional file as a PDF to printers but actually prefer to burn to CD and save as EPS or native Quark post to printer. Not a good solution but safer. I too don't trust PDF's. Regarding the background. Seems to me like you need to convert the lettering to a clipping path (in Photoshop). This is the only way to remove those white backgrounds that come into all PSD files saved for export. Go to Help in PSD and type in Clipping Path or go to: file:///HARD%20DRIVE/Graphics/Adobe%20Photoshop%207/Help/help.html Could you send me the file? Good luck I'll be interested to see how you get on. Denise Williams-Photographer Ph/fax 08- 9447 3468 Mob 0417 184592 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
the export preset press uses acrobat 4 format. change this to version 5 (or later, if you are using CS i guess). v5 handles transparency much better methinks g On Wednesday, May 5, 2004, at 09:16 PM, Darren Kam wrote: I have one fairly major problem : * Some PDFs display correctly but don't print as they look Yep. I experience this all the time - often it happens when text is overlaid on a background fill. The solution is to ensure that all fonts are converted to outlines before exporting to PDF. Also, transparency is not supported fully, so sometimes the printer will interpret it correctly, but most of the time it won't. Such is the problem of PDF technology moving too fast - standards are broken. :) Feel free to forward me an example of the PDF that you're talking about - it may also just be a printer limitation. Cheers, Darren. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
To work around I open and rasterize it in Photoshop and save it as a single layer (transparent background) in PDF format. Yikes. Sorry, that should be a PSD (Photoshop) file hence the transparency. A typical culprit can be seen here : http://antonylord.dyndns.org/GeneralA3.pdf Views fine, prints with a strange punch out effect over the Sapphire lettering / logo at the top... -- == == = = Antony N. Lord = http://antonylord.com = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Perth, Western Australia = == = ==
Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
P.S. Had an amazing issue with a powerpoint presentation that was 362kb in it's native format, 168meg in it's Apple generated PDF format, then 1meg after Acrobat's 'reduce file size' command. Weird. Nope - I've seen that several times too. A 13 page MS Word (X) document with colour images. Apple PDF 126Mb Adobe Reduced File Size 1.2Mb No explanation I'm affraid. Hence why I'm moved to all Adobe for my work but it looks like I'm not out of the woods yet! Cheers, Antony. -- == == = = Antony N. Lord = http://antonylord.com = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Perth, Western Australia = == = ==
Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
the export preset press uses acrobat 4 format. change this to version 5 (or later, if you are using CS i guess). v5 handles transparency much better methinks Have tried this without luck. Went to the printers (OfficeWorks are closest to me and are fine for a few A4 / A3 copies rather than giant runs) with at least 4 different versions of the art : different acrobat formats, transparency settings, recreated the original logo for importing - all with the same effect... -- == == = = Antony N. Lord = http://antonylord.com = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Perth, Western Australia = == = ==
One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
OK, I bit the bullet and bought the Adobe Design CS Premium suite to bring all my graphic design work up a notch. Almost all the printing companies I work with required PDF format files for output. Most of my layout work (posters and business cards) I do in InDesign an use the Press PDF export preset. I have one fairly major problem : * Some PDFs display correctly but don't print as they look Example I have been supplied with a logo in EPS format. Its white lettering on what appears to be a transparent background (when viewed in Illustrator). I don't seem to be able to get it to appear / behave as white lettering on a transparent background when I place it in InDesign. To work around I open and rasterize it in Photoshop and save it as a single layer (transparent background) in PDF format. It places in InDesign and displays properly. However when I print I get a variety of effects - mostly cutouts (box shape around the lettering) or burn throughs. I suspect something to do with transparency settings? I've trawled the help files (how I miss a big set of dead tree manuals) and googled but can't seem to work it out. Any design professionals out there with any ideas? I'd be happy to forward an example culprit PDF. Cheers, Antony. -- == == = = Antony N. Lord = http://antonylord.com = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Perth, Western Australia = == = ==
Re: One for the DTP / Adobe experts...
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, May 05, 2004 at 07:55:20PM +0800, Antony N. Lord wrote: OK, I bit the bullet and bought the Adobe Design CS Premium suite to bring all my graphic design work up a notch. Does that include Distiller and a decent version of Acrobat (not Standard or other such muck)? Most of my layout work (posters and business cards) I do in InDesign an use the Press PDF export preset. I like Export, too. BUT I have to reluctantly admit that it doesn't always seem to work. On the other hand, I also have a problem where Distiller produces no output. It goes through the motions but simply doesn't write its output. I have been supplied with a logo in EPS format. [It's] white lettering on what appears to be a transparent background (when viewed in Illustrator). Sure: filled white letters with nothing behind them? I don't seem to be able to get it to appear / behave as white lettering on a transparent background when I place it in InDesign. What does it look like on screen? Note: InDesign has different options for display quality, so if you are using the worst (quickest) display, it might give you a misleading appearance on screen. (Nevertheless, I realise that doesn't explain why it wouldn't behave correctly when printed.) To work around I open and rasterize it in Photoshop and save it as a single layer (transparent background) in PDF format. Yikes. I'd be happy to forward an example culprit PDF. Someone else might help you tonight, but feel free to forward a copy to my address directly and I'll have a look at it tomorrow.
