RFC: Posting Guidelines v1.1

[Onno Benschop]

Hi all,

The posting guidelines were last updated on the 19th of February, 2002.

It features several out of date URLs and are missing some obvious
additions. Also the mailing list archive seems to be off-line - that is,
the non yahoo one, the headers on each WAMUG message point to: 
<http://wamug.org.au:80/Lists/wamug/List.html>

This gives a 404 error.

I recalled that the URL was more like :8000, so I did a port scan, that
port is not in use, in fact there is only one web-server running on the
WAMUG server. I suspect something has fallen over, or the mailing list
archive is no longer available, other than the old one provided by
yahoo.

The mailing list signature points only to the yahoo archive.

I've linked to the page in the signature, in the expectation that when
it is all working again, that redirect will point somewhere more
sensible.


The new version of the posting guidelines is here:
<http://itmaze.com.au/articles/mailing.list.guidelines/>

Any feedback and comment is kindly requested.

Onno Benschop 

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Posting Guidelines - v1.0

[Onno Benschop]

As a community, WAMUG is a group of people who send each other email, 
generally about Macintosh issues. The group is now so large that not 
everyone knows everyone else, so we've come up with the following 
suggestions for your valued contributions to this list. This is not a 
rule-book, but a suggestion which makes your questions and answers as 
helpful to as many people as possible.



Before posting a message to WAMUG:

1. Did you attempt to resolve the problem yourself?
2. Did you search the message archive for a similar problem?
3. Did you search the web for a similar problem?
4. Did you give your post a relevant, meaningful Subject?
5. It is good practice to include System Information where relevant.
6. It is good practice to show unsuccessful attempts at resolution.
7. It is good practice to include relevant URLs.


When you reply to a posting made by another person:

1. Did you only respond to the list - unless specifically asked otherwise?
2. Did you quote only appropriate parts of the message?
3. Did you attribute the quotes correctly?
4. It is good practice to put your response *below* the quoted part.
5. It is good practice to include relevant URLs.
6. It is good to be mindful of a future user who searches the archive.
7. If you don't *know*, then say that you're guessing.
8. If you're not sure, then say that you think so.
9. If your response is really a new post, adjust the Subject accordingly.


The Digest List:

As a subscriber, you can choose to receive each individual message, or a 
daily digest. If you receive the digested version of the list and respond, 
be sure to change the Subject of your response, otherwise other subscribers 
will not be able to follow the thread of conversation.



Resources to assist you:

Relevant System Information includes:
- OS (6, 7, 8, 9, X or Classic)
- Machine and Model (ie PowerBook 5300, iMac Flat Screen, etc.)
- Any peripherals involved (SCSI, FireWire, USB, Serial or ADB)
- Disk space / RAM / Extensions / Version numbers as related

Mailing List Archive


WAMUG home page


Web search engine


Apple Info Library


Apple Info Archive


Version Tracker


MacFixIt


MacSurfer


Macintosh version of Google


RFC 1855, Netiquette Guidelines



Credits:
This document was created by many members of the WAMUG list after 
protracted discussion.


Version: 1.0, published 19 February 2002 - Onno Benschop
First release, no changes from 0.5, just version number update - Onno Benschop
Version: 0.5, published 8 February 2002 - Onno Benschop
Added Credits - Onno Benschop
Added Version Details - Onno Benschop
Version: 0.4, published 6 February 2002 - Onno Benschop
Attempted to incorporate suggestions - John Taylor
Less Draconian language - Shay Telfer / Anthony Briggs
Added Resources - Rod Lavington / Bob
Reworded Respond below a quote - Nathalie Collins
Deleted Spelling - Shay Telfer
Version: 0.3, published 6 February 2002 - Onno Benschop
Added Digest Paragraph - John Taylor
Version: 0.2, published 5 February 2002 - Onno Benschop
Reordered Points - Onno Benschop
Reworded choosing a subject - Shay Telfer
Added URL suggestion - Shay Telfer
Added System Information - Shay Telfer
Version: 0.1, published 4 February 2002 - Onno Benschop
Original RFC after suggestion from Neil Blake / Daniel Forsdyke
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Re: Posting Guidelines - v0.3 & 7 year itch...

[Onno Benschop]

At 11:21 8/02/02 +0800, Brett Carboni wrote:

> The age of a standard does not indicate its currency. If we get rid of
> standards, we might as well each start speaking a different language, since
> English as been around since before you and I were born.

E la verita. Questo discorso e proprio buffo.

(Tutti, mi dispiache tanto. Un piccolo scherzo).


Babelfish, Italian to English:

And the verita one. This just funny speech and. (All, me dispiache a lot. A 
small joke).


Huh?
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Re: Posting Guidelines - v0.3 & 7 year itch...

[Brett Carboni]

> The age of a standard does not indicate its currency. If we get rid of
> standards, we might as well each start speaking a different language, since
> English as been around since before you and I were born.

E la verita. Questo discorso e proprio buffo.

(Tutti, mi dispiache tanto. Un piccolo scherzo).

Brett Carboni
Tsunami Sushi Bar
"Il meglio sushi nel mondo"

RFC: Posting Guidelines - v0.5

[Onno Benschop]

This proposal only adds version details and credits. If I've misrepresented 
your contribution in *any way*, please let me know.


As a community, WAMUG is a group of people who send each other email, 
generally about Macintosh issues. The group is now so large that not 
everyone knows everyone else, so we've come up with the following 
suggestions for your valued contributions to this list. This is not a 
rule-book, but a suggestion which makes your questions and answers as 
helpful to as many people as possible.



Before posting a message to WAMUG:

1. Did you attempt to resolve the problem yourself?
2. Did you search the message archive for a similar problem?
3. Did you search the web for a similar problem?
4. Did you give your post a relevant, meaningful Subject?
5. It is good practice to include System Information where relevant.
6. It is good practice to show unsuccessful attempts at resolution.
7. It is good practice to include relevant URLs.


When you reply to a posting made by another person:

1. Did you only respond to the list - unless specifically asked otherwise?
2. Did you quote only appropriate parts of the message?
3. Did you attribute the quotes correctly?
4. It is good practice to put your response *below* the quoted part.
5. It is good practice to include relevant URLs.
6. It is good to be mindful of a future user who searches the archive.
7. If you don't *know*, then say that you're guessing.
8. If you're not sure, then say that you think so.
9. If your response is really a new post, adjust the Subject accordingly.


The Digest List:

As a subscriber, you can choose to receive each individual message, or a 
daily digest. If you receive the digested version of the list and respond, 
be sure to change the Subject of your response, otherwise other subscribers 
will not be able to follow the thread of conversation.



Resources to assist you:

Relevant System Information includes:
- OS (6, 7, 8, 9, X or Classic)
- Machine and Model (ie PowerBook 5300, iMac Flat Screen, etc.)
- Any peripherals involved (SCSI, FireWire, USB, Serial or ADB)
- Disk space / RAM / Extensions / Version numbers as related

Mailing List Archive


WAMUG home page


Web search engine


Apple Info Library


Apple Info Archive


Version Tracker


MacFixIt


MacSurfer


Macintosh version of Google


RFC 1855, Netiquette Guidelines



Credits:
This document was created by many members of the WAMUG list after 
protracted discussion.


Version: 0.5, published 8 February 2002 - Onno Benschop
Added Credits - Onno Benschop
Added Version Details - Onno Benschop
Version: 0.4, published 6 February 2002 - Onno Benschop
Attempted to incorporate suggestions - John Taylor
Less Draconian language - Shay Telfer / Anthony Briggs
Added Resources - Rod Lavington / Bob
Reworded Respond below a quote - Nathalie Collins
Deleted Spelling - Shay Telfer
Version: 0.3, published 6 February 2002 - Onno Benschop
Added Digest Paragraph - John Taylor
Version: 0.2, published 5 February 2002 - Onno Benschop
Reordered Points - Onno Benschop
Reworded choosing a subject - Shay Telfer
Added URL suggestion - Shay Telfer
Added System Information - Shay Telfer
Version: 0.1, published 4 February 2002 - Onno Benschop
Original RFC after suggestion from Neil Blake / Daniel Forsdyke
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Re: Posting Guidelines - v0.3 & 7 year itch...

[Onno Benschop]

At 09:41 8/02/02 +0800, Greg Hosking wrote:

...not to mention the fact that is it is dated October 1995...


The age of a standard does not indicate its currency. If we get rid of 
standards, we might as well each start speaking a different language, since 
English as been around since before you and I were born.


Standards evolve if they have to, just like the Posting Guidelines will.

Quoted at the bottom because I only quoted what I needed to...
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Re: Posting Guidelines - v0.3 & 7 year itch...

[Keith Palmer]

To me this looks more and more like we are the ones sitting eyes forward 
in the theatre - personally I'm waiting for the hammer throwing blonde 
to run up the aisle. (replying at the top of the page because I find it 
tedious to scroll down through message threads that I've already been 
following)



I wish people would read the RCF. It's more than just a personal
preference.
It's the way things are supposed to be done.
RFC 1855, Netiquette Guidelines



Sorry Doug but I beg to differ. The RFC is merely a set of guidelines,
and to quote from the RFC itself:

"This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind."

"This document provides a minimum set of guidelines for Network
Etiquette (Netiquette) which organizations may take and adapt for
their own use."

Very good guidelines I agree, but I'd draw short of saying that it is
the way things are supposed to be done.



...not to mention the fact that is it is dated October 1995...
greg


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Re: Posting Guidelines - v0.3 & 7 year itch...

[Greg Hosking]

>> I wish people would read the RCF. It's more than just a personal
>> preference.
>> It's the way things are supposed to be done.
>> RFC 1855, Netiquette Guidelines
>> 
> 
> Sorry Doug but I beg to differ. The RFC is merely a set of guidelines,
> and to quote from the RFC itself:
> 
> "This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind."
> 
> "This document provides a minimum set of guidelines for Network
> Etiquette (Netiquette) which organizations may take and adapt for
> their own use."
> 
> Very good guidelines I agree, but I'd draw short of saying that it is
> the way things are supposed to be done.


...not to mention the fact that is it is dated October 1995...

greg 

Re: Posting Guidelines - v0.3

[Matt Huitson]

On Wednesday, February 6, 2002, at 03:33 PM, Doug Wilson wrote:

> on 6/2/02 3:26 PM, Darren Kam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> It's all good, but I do find it difficult to conform to:
>>> 4. You put your response *below* the quoted part.
>>
>> I often don't do this because I assume that people are already 
>> following the
>> thread, and just want to see my response at a quick glance. Right or 
>> wrong,
>> it's just personal preference.
>
> I wish people would read the RCF. It's more than just a personal 
> preference.
> It's the way things are supposed to be done.
> RFC 1855, Netiquette Guidelines
> 

Sorry Doug but I beg to differ. The RFC is merely a set of guidelines, 
and to quote from the RFC itself:

"This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind."

"This document provides a minimum set of guidelines for Network
Etiquette (Netiquette) which organizations may take and adapt for
their own use."

Very good guidelines I agree, but I'd draw short of saying that it is 
the way things are supposed to be done.



Matt Huitson
Dept. of Psychology
University of Western Australia
Nedlands, WA 6097
Western Australia
work: 61 89 380 3639
mob: 0414 294 770


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Posting Guidelines

[John Currie]

Robert Burns in 1785 wrote a poem entitled To a MOUSE (What appropriate
prophetic foresight ! )

" The best laid schemes of mice and men Gang aft agley "

What would you do if you went to the local Library and asked for a book
and the person behind the desk said " I know where it is but I wont tell
you until you have searched the shelves, the paper catalog or the computer
. Come back and see me when you have done all that "

John

RE: Posting Guidelines - v0.3

[Shay Telfer]

Just my two cents (don't mean to offend anyone) but honestly guys, WAMUG is
a community established to help people, especially newbies. Let's not lose
focus here and start enforcing strict rules which make it difficult for
people to ask questions, for fear of a barrage of "but technically, you're
not correct" responses.

We're all Mac-loving users - let's get back to helping people solve their
Mac-related problems.


As the WAMUG Listmom, it ultimately falls to myself and the committee 
members to enforce the rules.


Speaking for myself at least, I have no intention of 'enforcing' the 
guidelines, and have already mailed Onno suggesting that they be 
re-worded in a more friendly manner. They are after all, guidelines, 
and not mandatory restrictions.


I am however quite grateful to Onno for having compiled them!

Now, I'm hoping we can get back to Mac related questions and answers :)

Thanks,
Shay
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Perth, Western Australia Technomancer Sponsor WA's Solar Car
Opinions for hire [POQ] Sungroper
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RFC: Posting Guidelines - v0.4 - final?

[Onno Benschop]

Just as you're about to finalise, a flurry of messages with suggestions - 
please feel free to comment.


As a community, WAMUG is a group of people who send each other email, 
generally about Macintosh issues. The group is now so large that not 
everyone knows everyone else, so we've come up with the following 
suggestions for your valued contributions to this list. This is not a 
rule-book, but a suggestion which makes your questions and answers as 
helpful to as many people as possible.



Before posting a message to WAMUG:

1. Did you attempt to resolve the problem yourself?
2. Did you search the message archive for a similar problem?
3. Did you search the web for a similar problem?
4. Did you give your post a relevant, meaningful Subject?
5. It is good practice to include System Information where relevant.
6. It is good practice to show unsuccessful attempts at resolution.
7. It is good practice to include relevant URLs.


When you reply to a posting made by another person:

1. Did you only respond to the list - unless specifically asked otherwise?
2. Did you quote only appropriate parts of the message?
3. Did you attribute the quotes correctly?
4. It is good practice to put your response *below* the quoted part.
5. It is good practice to include relevant URLs.
6. It is good to be mindful of a future user who searches the archive.
7. If you don't *know*, then say that you're guessing.
8. If you're not sure, then say that you think so.
9. If your response is really a new post, adjust the Subject accordingly.


The Digest List:

As a subscriber, you can choose to receive each individual message, or a 
daily digest. If you receive the digested version of the list and respond, 
be sure to change the Subject of your response, otherwise other subscribers 
will not be able to follow the thread of conversation.



Resources to assist you:

Relevant System Information includes:
- OS (6, 7, 8, 9, X or Classic)
- Machine and Model (ie PowerBook 5300, iMac Flat Screen, etc.)
- Any peripherals involved (SCSI, FireWire, USB, Serial or ADB)
- Disk space / RAM / Extensions / Version numbers as related

Mailing List Archive


WAMUG home page


Web search engine


Apple Info Library


Apple Info Archive


Version Tracker


MacFixIt


RFC 1855, Netiquette Guidelines

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Re: RFC: Posting Guidelines - v0.3

[Onno Benschop]

At 15:43 6/02/02 +0800, Phillip McGree wrote:

What *official* capacity do you have to create WAMUG policy such as this?


A subscriber.


Who authorised you to come up with this list of "rules"?


No one, this is not a list of rules, this is a Posting Guideline. If enough 
people like it, then the group as a whole has the benefit of it. So far 
I've had contributions and encouraging comment from 14 members. I was going 
to list them below, but then I figured that this would only start another 
discussion about who should and who should not be on the list.


So, I'll finalise the guidelines, post them to the list and if the members 
think that they will assist their postings, I suspect they will be placed 
on the WAMUG web-site, perhaps automatically mailed-out to new subscribers 
and perhaps a URL will be added to the footer of each message.

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RE: Posting Guidelines - v0.3

[Darren Kam]

Just my two cents (don't mean to offend anyone) but honestly guys, WAMUG is
a community established to help people, especially newbies. Let's not lose
focus here and start enforcing strict rules which make it difficult for
people to ask questions, for fear of a barrage of "but technically, you're
not correct" responses. 

I understand the purposes of the RFC and netiquette guidelines, but
enforcing too many rules has a negative effect on the confidence of people.
I know that many people (myself included) have taken this mailing list for
granted, and have started posting irrelevant messages and comments - hence
the reason for this little debate. But please let's not go overboard and
form distinct communities of people who follow the law by the word and do
not tolerate any form of misbehaviour, and those who feel ostracised for
"thinking different" <- pun intended :) 

We're all Mac-loving users - let's get back to helping people solve their
Mac-related problems.

Cheers,
Darren.

Re: Posting Guidelines - v0.3

[Greg Hosking]

Could we just presume that everyone will follow all the guidelines, except
the 'revolutionaries' who will dissent in respect of law #4?

if this is the only violation of these holy commandments, I dare say even
Onno will be happy

;-)

Greg


>> It's all good, but I do find it difficult to conform to:
>>> 4. You put your response *below* the quoted part.
>> 
>> I often don't do this because I assume that people are already following the
>> thread, and just want to see my response at a quick glance. Right or wrong,
>> it's just personal preference.
> 
> I wish people would read the RCF. It's more than just a personal preference.
> It's the way things are supposed to be done.
> RFC 1855, Netiquette Guidelines
> 

Re: Posting Guidelines - v0.3

[Doug Wilson]

on 6/2/02 3:26 PM, Darren Kam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It's all good, but I do find it difficult to conform to:
>> 4. You put your response *below* the quoted part.
> 
> I often don't do this because I assume that people are already following the
> thread, and just want to see my response at a quick glance. Right or wrong,
> it's just personal preference.

I wish people would read the RCF. It's more than just a personal preference.
It's the way things are supposed to be done.
RFC 1855, Netiquette Guidelines

-- 
Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail.

RE: Posting Guidelines - v0.3

[Darren Kam]

It's all good, but I do find it difficult to conform to:
> 4. You put your response *below* the quoted part.

I often don't do this because I assume that people are already following the
thread, and just want to see my response at a quick glance. Right or wrong,
it's just personal preference.

Cheers,
Darren.

RFC: Posting Guidelines - v0.3

[Onno Benschop]

Any more comments before I publish this as the final version?

When posting a new message, ensure that:

1. You have attempted to resolve the problem yourself.
2. You have searched the message archive for a similar problem.
3. You have searched the web for a similar problem.
4. Your post has a relevant, meaningful Subject.
5. It is good practice to include System Information where relevant.
6. It is good practice to show unsuccessful attempts at resolution.
7. It is good practice to include relevant URLs.
8. You spell checked your message.


When responding to a message, ensure that:

1. You only respond to the list - unless specifically asked otherwise.
2. You quote appropriate parts of the message.
3. You attribute the quotes correctly.
4. You put your response *below* the quoted part.
5. Your response will be helpful to a future user who searches the archive.
6. It is good practice to include relevant URLs.
7. If you don't *know*, then say that you're guessing.
8. If you're not sure, then say that you think so.
9. If your response is really a new post, adjust the Subject accordingly.


The Digest List:

As a subscriber, you can choose to receive each individual message, or a 
daily digest. If you receive the digested version of the list and respond, 
be sure to change the Subject of your response, otherwise other subscribers 
will not be able to follow the thread of conversation.



Resources to assist you:

Relevant System Information includes:
- OS (6, 7, 8, 9, X or Classic)
- Machine and Model (ie PowerBook 5300, iMac Flat Screen, etc.)
- Any peripherals involved (SCSI, FireWire, USB, Serial or ADB)
- Disk space / RAM / Extensions / Version numbers as related

Mailing List Archive


WAMUG home page


Web search engine


Apple Info Library


Apple Info Archive


Version Tracker


RFC 1855, Netiquette Guidelines

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Re: RFC: Posting Guidelines - v0.2

[Matthew Healey]

On 5/2/02 12:35 PM, "John Bussell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I presume the above header appears on every WAMUG message? (I receive
> the digest so am not sure.) Would it be appropiate use of bandwidth
> to include a link to these posting guidelines (uploaded on WAMUG
> homepage) in this header?

I was thinking the same thing myself. Once everyone can agree on a set of
Guidelines, I will upload it to the web site.

Regards

Matthew Healey

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Re: RFC: Posting Guidelines - v0.2

[John Bussell]

Got a Question? Try searching the WAMUG list archives first at
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wamug/messages/>

To unsubscribe from the WAMUG e-mail list, send e-mail from this account to

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



[SNIP]


Message: 6
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 08:43:10 +0800
From: Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RFC: Posting Guidelines - v0.2

After more suggestions from members, here is a second attempt at posting
guidelines. The subject reads: RFC, that means "Request for Comment", so
please feel free to comment.


I presume the above header appears on every WAMUG message? (I receive 
the digest so am not sure.) Would it be appropiate use of bandwidth 
to include a link to these posting guidelines (uploaded on WAMUG 
homepage) in this header?


--

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Centre for Legumes in Mediterranean Agriculture
University of Western Australia
35 Stirling Highway, CRAWLEY WA 6009

Ph: 61 8 9380 1985
Fax: 61 8 9380 1001
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFC: Posting Guidelines

[John Taylor]

on 4/2/02 1:36 PM, Onno Benschop at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> When responding to a message, ensure that:

9. If you respond to a message to the whole list, keep your replies brief,
factual and to the topic. Don't repeat the question, or send remarks like "I
agree" without adding to the thoughts.

10. If you have to respond to a topic in a way that attacks the originator,
DO NOT do this to the whole list, without advising the originator first.

11. Complaints about the netiquette of a correspondent should be sent to the
correspondent and the president of WAMUG, not to the whole list.

-- 
Regards,
John Taylor

"Language is the ability to dispatch an infinite number of precisely
structured thoughts from head to head by modulating exhaled breath."
Steven Pinker

RFC: Posting Guidelines - v0.2

[Onno Benschop]

After more suggestions from members, here is a second attempt at posting 
guidelines. The subject reads: RFC, that means "Request for Comment", so 
please feel free to comment.


When posting a new message, ensure that:

1. You have attempted to resolve the problem yourself.
2. You have searched the message archive for a similar problem.
3. You have searched the web for a similar problem.
4. Your post has a relevant, meaningful Subject.
5. It is good practice to include System Information where relevant.
6. It is good practice to show unsuccessful attempts at resolution.
7. It is good practice to include relevant URLs.
8. You spell checked your message.


When responding to a message, ensure that:

1. You only respond to the list - unless specifically asked otherwise.
2. You quote appropriate parts of the message.
3. You attribute the quotes correctly.
4. You put your response *below* the quoted part.
5. Your response will be helpful to a future user who searches the archive.
6. It is good practice to include relevant URLs.
7. If you don't *know*, then say that you're guessing.
8. If you're not sure, then say that you think so.
9. If your response is really a new post, adjust the Subject accordingly.


Things to assist you:

Relevant System Information includes:
- OS (6, 7, 8, 9, X or Classic)
- Machine and Model (ie PowerBook 5300, iMac Flat Screen, etc.)
- Any peripherals involved (SCSI, FireWire, USB, Serial or ADB)
- Disk space / RAM / Extensions / Version numbers as related

Mailing List Archive
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wamug/messages/>

Web search engine
<http://www.google.com/>

Apple Info Library
<http://kbase.info.apple.com/>

Apple Info Archive
<http://karchive.info.apple.com/>

Version Tracker
<http://www.versiontracker.com/macos/>

RFC 1855, Netiquette Guidelines
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Re: RFC: Posting Guidelines

[Stephen Chape]

Looks like it Andrew !!

On Monday, February 4, 2002, at 01:40 PM, Andrew Nielsen wrote:

Just out of interest, who _is_ the WAMUG list moderator? Is it really 
Onno?

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Re: RFC: Posting Guidelines

[mrsc]

My comments on the following:

>1. It has a useful subject.
>2. You have attempted to resolve the problem yourself.
>3. You have searched the message archive for a similar problem.
>4. You have searched the web for a similar problem.
>5. You spell checked your message.
>6. It is good practice to include System Information where relevant.
>7. It is good practice to show unsuccessful attempts at resolution.

Obviously, the above applies if you are asking for help. For general 
comments about Mac products or requests for comments, I think the 
standards can be a bit looser.

>When responding to a message, ensure that:
>1. You quote appropriate parts of the message.
>2. You attribute the quotes correctly.
>3. You put your response *below* the quoted part.
Sorry, I agree to disagree on this one. I will always put my response 
above the quoted part unless I am responding to a particular part of the 
message, as I am here. This is an issue of personal preference.
>4. You only respond to the list - unless specifically asked otherwise.
I prefer to respond to the individual off list for brief comments or to 
agree with a comment they have made or to thank them for their help. I 
believe that one should respond to the list when one feels others may 
benefit from their comments.
>5. Your response will be helpful to a future user who searches the 
archive.
>6. If you don't *know*, then say that you're guessing.
>7. If you're not sure, then say that you think so.
>8. If your response is really a new post, adjust the Subject accordingly.
I really agree with 6, 7 & 8.

Also, I do want to say that although I know the experts on the list may 
feel like they are always being asked or somehow they may feel obligated 
to answer a question that they are knowledgeable about, I don't feel that 
is the case. I think that the beauty of this list is that everyone can 
help each other. So if you, like Onno, are a guru who may not want to 
answer a question for the millionth time on this list, just don't. Someone 
else will. Or maybe they won't. 

Personally, I think that, in most cases, the contributions to this list 
aren't superfluous. I enjoy the discussion and dialogue, not just the help 
tips.

Regards,
Nathalie

Re: RFC: Posting Guidelines

[Shay Telfer]

Just out of interest, who _is_ the WAMUG list moderator? Is it really Onno?


Historically, me :)

Have fun,
Shay
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Re: RFC: Posting Guidelines

[Andrew Nielsen]

Just out of interest, who _is_ the WAMUG list moderator? Is it really Onno?
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RFC: Posting Guidelines

[Onno Benschop]

After suggestions from members, here is my first attempt at some posting 
guidelines. The subject reads: RFC, that means "Request for Comment", so 
please feel free to comment.


When posting a new message, ensure that:

1. It has a useful subject.
2. You have attempted to resolve the problem yourself.
3. You have searched the message archive for a similar problem.
4. You have searched the web for a similar problem.
5. You spell checked your message.
6. It is good practice to include System Information where relevant.
7. It is good practice to show unsuccessful attempts at resolution.


When responding to a message, ensure that:

1. You quote appropriate parts of the message.
2. You attribute the quotes correctly.
3. You put your response *below* the quoted part.
4. You only respond to the list - unless specifically asked otherwise.
5. Your response will be helpful to a future user who searches the archive.
6. If you don't *know*, then say that you're guessing.
7. If you're not sure, then say that you think so.
8. If your response is really a new post, adjust the Subject accordingly.


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RFC 1855, Netiquette Guidelines
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Mailing List Archive
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Web search engine
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Apple Info Library
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Apple Info Archive
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Version Tracker
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