Re: Westnet bought by iinet

[Rob Phillips]

Yes. In 1984, when I lived in Germany, they were installing fibre-optics 
in cities.


Rob

James / Hans Kunz wrote:

Why does broadband in Australia suck so much?


because australia telecom later telstra never bothered to invest in 
proper equipment & provide "service"
in europe optical fibre networks got installed long before telstra 
thought of doing that, we are clearly in the back-back water of 
broadband, any korean, janese, european can get far better internet 
than we aussies

cheers  James




On 12/05/2008, at 15:37, Matthew Healey wrote:



On 09/05/2008, at 9:20 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote:

Mmm… it seems iinet is buying a few service providers. I know my 
previous service provider Upnaway was also bought by iiNet about 6 
months ago.


I'm waiting for iiNet to buy Amcom... at which point there will be 
pretty much no locally based competition left in the broadband 
market. If iiNet bought Amcom they will then own a HUGE chunk of 
Optial Fibre in WA.


Why does broadband in Australia suck so much?

- Matt



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Re: Westnet bought by iinet

[Shay Telfer]

Matthew Healey wrote:


 On 09/05/2008, at 9:20 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote:


 MmmŠ it seems iinet is buying a few service providers. I know my
 previous service provider Upnaway was also bought by iiNet about 6
 months ago.


 I'm waiting for iiNet to buy Amcom... at which point there will be
 pretty much no locally based competition left in the broadband market.
 If iiNet bought Amcom they will then own a HUGE chunk of Optial Fibre in
 WA.

 Why does broadband in Australia suck so much?


Telecommunications in Australia is characterised 
by a geographic area the size of the USA with a 
paying population only the size of California.


Region - Population Density
Korea - 501 people/sq km
Japan - 340 people/sq km
Europe - 127 people/sq km
Australia - 2.7 people/sq km

Have fun,
Shay (enjoying ADSL 1 on Westnet, at least until iinet change my plan :)
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Re: Westnet bought by iinet

[James / Hans Kunz]

Why does broadband in Australia suck so much?


because australia telecom later telstra never bothered to invest in  
proper equipment & provide "service"
in europe optical fibre networks got installed long before telstra  
thought of doing that, we are clearly in the back-back water of  
broadband, any korean, janese, european can get far better internet  
than we aussies

cheers  James




On 12/05/2008, at 15:37, Matthew Healey wrote:



On 09/05/2008, at 9:20 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote:

Mmm… it seems iinet is buying a few service providers. I know my  
previous service provider Upnaway was also bought by iiNet about 6  
months ago.


I'm waiting for iiNet to buy Amcom... at which point there will be  
pretty much no locally based competition left in the broadband  
market. If iiNet bought Amcom they will then own a HUGE chunk of  
Optial Fibre in WA.


Why does broadband in Australia suck so much?

- Matt



SAD Technic
Video Productions, Electronic repairs
U3 / 6 Chalkley Pl
Bayswater WA 6053
+618 9370 5307,+618 6262 5707, 0414 421 132
http://www.iinet.net.au/~saddas
skype: barleeway

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Re: Westnet bought by iinet

[Matthew Healey]

On 09/05/2008, at 9:20 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote:

Mmm… it seems iinet is buying a few service providers. I know my  
previous service provider Upnaway was also bought by iiNet about 6  
months ago.


I'm waiting for iiNet to buy Amcom... at which point there will be  
pretty much no locally based competition left in the broadband market.  
If iiNet bought Amcom they will then own a HUGE chunk of Optial Fibre  
in WA.


Why does broadband in Australia suck so much?

- Matt
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Re: Westnet bought by iinet

[Chris Griffiths]

Mmm… it seems iinet is buying a few service providers. I know my  
previous service provider Upnaway was also bought by iiNet about 6  
months ago.


Chris Griffiths

On 08/05/2008, at 1:42 PM, Robert Howells wrote:



My commiserations to our Westnet  based members

Bob




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Re: Westnet bought by iinet

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Adam,

Westnet have built a fantastic company… and that’s exactly why iiNet  
wanted them. iiNet can’t afford to break that something special that  
makes Westnet what they are, so I don’t anticipate anything changing,  
except for the better.


Westnet are in a rare situation where they have been bought out, but  
the new owner wants them to keep doing exactly what they enjoy doing,  
and they don’t want to tamper with that at all (and yes, Westnet  
Management does believe them, because it’s worth too much for iiNet to  
do anything else).  ;-)


On top of that, Westnet get access to all of iiNet’s technology that  
Westnet have wanted for a long time, but haven’t been able to get  
their hands on.

Things like unbundled ADSL2+, naked ADSL, VoIP etc.
So it can only make Westnet stronger.

Cheers,
Ronni


On 08/05/2008, at 11:59 PM, Adam hewitt wrote:


There are a few differences here. Firstly is the fact that iiNet have
*always* assimilated the companies they have acquired into their  
own. The
fact that they have stated they will not be doing this would lead me  
to

believe that they plan to do exactly what they say.

Secondly iiNet are well aware that Westnet has survived incredibly  
well in a
reseller market for one reason, customer service excellence. I think  
it
would be a long time before iiNet would want to make any changes  
which could
destroy thatfor $81M you really don't want the customer base  
abandoning

ship.

Adam.


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I just read the announcement from Westnet and got this very strange
feeling of dejavue.
A couple of years ago I worked for WA's largest hardware co- 
operative,

CPS (500 stores in the group)
Then they "merged" with Mitre10 (referred to as a joint venture)
Now CPS have all but disappeared.

Let's see what happens with this one  eh ?

On 08/05/2008, at 1:42 PM, Robert Howells wrote:



My commiserations to our Westnet  based members

Bob

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Re: Westnet bought by iinet

[Adam hewitt]

There are a few differences here. Firstly is the fact that iiNet have
*always* assimilated the companies they have acquired into their own. The
fact that they have stated they will not be doing this would lead me to
believe that they plan to do exactly what they say.

Secondly iiNet are well aware that Westnet has survived incredibly well in a
reseller market for one reason, customer service excellence. I think it
would be a long time before iiNet would want to make any changes which could
destroy thatfor $81M you really don't want the customer base abandoning
ship.

Adam.

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> Stephen Chape
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> I just read the announcement from Westnet and got this very strange
> feeling of dejavue.
> A couple of years ago I worked for WA's largest hardware co-operative,
> CPS (500 stores in the group)
> Then they "merged" with Mitre10 (referred to as a joint venture)
> Now CPS have all but disappeared.
> 
> Let's see what happens with this one  eh ?
> 
> On 08/05/2008, at 1:42 PM, Robert Howells wrote:
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> >
> > My commiserations to our Westnet  based members
> >
> > Bob
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Re: Westnet bought by iinet

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Ronda ... read my other post.
Sorry to be a "killjoy" but I have heard this all before .. in fact  
almost identical reasoning !!


On 08/05/2008, at 1:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:



On 08/05/2008, at 1:42 PM, Robert Howells wrote:



My commiserations to our Westnet  based members

Bob




I don't agree with you here Bob, (hope I'm proved right in my  
understanding of Westnet's reasons) ;-)

I think this will be a good for WestNet Members.

Why is Westnet joining forces with iiNet:
Westnet Directors have chosen to join forces with iiNet in order to  
provide a greater range of products and services to existing and new  
members, to allow Westnet to strengthen its standing in the ISP  
market and for commercial reasons.


iiNet sees great value in Westnet's achievements as an internet  
service provider, notably, our strong levels of customer service, as  
rated by independent surveys. Operating the two businesses side by  
side will allow us to share the best elements of two independently  
successful companies.


What will happen to your current Westnet services?:
Nothing. For existing members and their services, its ‘business as  
usual'. Westnet will continue to operate these services into the  
future.


What will change?
Westnet aims to bring more products and services to our members,  
such as increased ADSL2+ availability, VoIP, and Naked DSL services.  
Apart from this, nothing will change from a customer perspective.  
You will continue to be served by the team at Westnet for your  
technical support, accounts service and for sales of additional  
products.





Cheers,
Ronni
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[Stephen Chape]

I just read the announcement from Westnet and got this very strange  
feeling of dejavue.
A couple of years ago I worked for WA's largest hardware co-operative,  
CPS (500 stores in the group)

Then they "merged" with Mitre10 (referred to as a joint venture)
Now CPS have all but disappeared.

Let's see what happens with this one  eh ?

On 08/05/2008, at 1:42 PM, Robert Howells wrote:



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Bob




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Re: Westnet bought by iinet

[Ronda Brown]

On 08/05/2008, at 1:42 PM, Robert Howells wrote:



My commiserations to our Westnet  based members

Bob




I don't agree with you here Bob, (hope I'm proved right in my  
understanding of Westnet's reasons) ;-)

I think this will be a good for WestNet Members.

Why is Westnet joining forces with iiNet:
Westnet Directors have chosen to join forces with iiNet in order to  
provide a greater range of products and services to existing and new  
members, to allow Westnet to strengthen its standing in the ISP market  
and for commercial reasons.


iiNet sees great value in Westnet's achievements as an internet  
service provider, notably, our strong levels of customer service, as  
rated by independent surveys. Operating the two businesses side by  
side will allow us to share the best elements of two independently  
successful companies.


What will happen to your current Westnet services?:
Nothing. For existing members and their services, its ‘business as  
usual'. Westnet will continue to operate these services into the future.


What will change?
Westnet aims to bring more products and services to our members, such  
as increased ADSL2+ availability, VoIP, and Naked DSL services. Apart  
from this, nothing will change from a customer perspective. You will  
continue to be served by the team at Westnet for your technical  
support, accounts service and for sales of additional products.





Cheers,
Ronni
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Re: Westnet bought by iinet

[Kyle Kreusch]

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