Re: Search facility - Mail on Lion - buggy?
Thanks for your suggestions Ronni. I began having a look about online to see if any others were having similar issues. Yes, not only me having problems with Mail's search facility. Rebuilding mailboxes and re-indexing are the most popular suggestions, both of which I've now done, and like some others, has not resolved the issue. Lion has definitely slowed my MBP down, so maybe it's too underpowered now to effectively handle the full capabilities of Mail's search capability?? I'm guessing not though, because it's not that I'm getting slower results, I'm getting false results, ie. no returned hits when there are definitely matching hits. It's not every search though, which is consistent with the experience of others. I've now come across MS Word 2008 hanging when used with Lion. This is a known issue and Microsoft plans a fix. If anybody out there relies on Office 2008 and is planning on updating to Lion, might be worth thinking twice. Apparently updating to 2011 is an option, a little extreme to bypass a hanging problem though. For now I've downloaded OpenOffice until Microsoft come up with a fix. I thought one comment I came across on the web reflected one of my perceptions ... Apple seems to have made some changes for change sake or words to that effect. An example cited was Preview and the appearance of the navigation pane on the left instead of the right. Perhaps it's all part of the grand marketing plan ... over 250 features!. It seems silly to update a new system and then revert back to classic features, why update in the first place, but I have checked the Use classic layout box in Mail Preferences Viewing. I find the layout in Lion's Mail worse. And I was pleased to discover the scroll direction could be changed back from the confusing Lion way. I like to keep up with the latest OS, even if a little buggy, but I'm glad I haven't been billed more than AUD 31.99 for all of my Macs! Cheers, Steven On 27/07/2011, at 12:11 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 26/07/2011, at 12:55 AM, Steven Knowles wrote: I'm finding the search facility for the Lion version of Mail very unreliable, as in not returning matching messages when it should be. I do have a fairly large accumulation of messages these days, but wasn't a problem with Snow Leopard. I'm wondering if others have found this, or is it a function of me running 10.7 on a MacBook Pro 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (must be 4 to 5 years old by now), which is now considerably more sluggish after moving from Snow Leopard to Lion. Hi Steven, Have you tried ‘rebuilding' each Mailbox? Click on each Mailbox, Go to Mailbox Rebuild. Wait until each Mailbox has rebuilt. Quit Mail Open Mail and try searching. If you are still not happy with your search results try: 1. Enable Indexing Open Terminal, and type the following: sudo mdutil -i on / If it asks for your password, type it in and hit return. Re-open mail. If this didn't fix anything, then you will need to re-index: 2. Re-indexing HD Go to System Preferences, Spotlight, click on the Privacy tab, click on the + to add the entire Macintosh HD to the list of Prevent spotlight from searching these locations and then remove the Macintosh HD by clicking the - button. Once you've done this is will automatically start re-indexing in spotlight. This can take a long time. When it has completed, Open mail and it should be working properly again. Please let us know how you get on. Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Search facility - Mail on Lion - buggy?
Hi Steven, I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of OS X 10.7 Lion. There is very little reason for your MBP to run slower under Lion unless you have some extra processes are running in the background. When you first install Lion, spotlight will reindex your hard drive. This may cause a temporary slow down until the the indexing is complete in a matter of hours. Another possible cause for a temporary slow down is that Time Machine will back up all the new operating system files and this will result in an unusually large first incremental backup after the install. Apart from that I can't see that any of the features of Lion would require more CPU time than Snow Leopard. The automatic versioning does do saves as you type new data into a Pages document, for instance, but the saves are separated by tens of seconds and this is an age as far as the CPU is concerned. The new graphics effects in Mission Control only occur when the user instigates them and they use the graphics processing unit (the GPU) and thus will not impact significantly on processing time. If anything, the guarantee of system wide 64 bit drivers and software may result in a speed up. I have some minor problems with Lion, but slow operation if definitely not one of them. I also understand the rationale for many of the changes. Some are just to correct historical design flaws that were the result of poor judgement many years ago and became part of OS X. Others are to prepare the operating system to work more closely with iCloud and the Apple Store and to reduce reliance on local storage. OS X is also migrating towards the appliance model of the iPad where an application can be installed an used with a minimum of fuss and each application is responsible for its own data. Cheers, Carlo On 2011-07-29, at 09:24, Steven Knowles wrote: Thanks for your suggestions Ronni. I began having a look about online to see if any others were having similar issues. Yes, not only me having problems with Mail's search facility. Rebuilding mailboxes and re-indexing are the most popular suggestions, both of which I've now done, and like some others, has not resolved the issue. Lion has definitely slowed my MBP down, so maybe it's too underpowered now to effectively handle the full capabilities of Mail's search capability?? I'm guessing not though, because it's not that I'm getting slower results, I'm getting false results, ie. no returned hits when there are definitely matching hits. It's not every search though, which is consistent with the experience of others. I've now come across MS Word 2008 hanging when used with Lion. This is a known issue and Microsoft plans a fix. If anybody out there relies on Office 2008 and is planning on updating to Lion, might be worth thinking twice. Apparently updating to 2011 is an option, a little extreme to bypass a hanging problem though. For now I've downloaded OpenOffice until Microsoft come up with a fix. I thought one comment I came across on the web reflected one of my perceptions ... Apple seems to have made some changes for change sake or words to that effect. An example cited was Preview and the appearance of the navigation pane on the left instead of the right. Perhaps it's all part of the grand marketing plan ... over 250 features!. It seems silly to update a new system and then revert back to classic features, why update in the first place, but I have checked the Use classic layout box in Mail Preferences Viewing. I find the layout in Lion's Mail worse. And I was pleased to discover the scroll direction could be changed back from the confusing Lion way. I like to keep up with the latest OS, even if a little buggy, but I'm glad I haven't been billed more than AUD 31.99 for all of my Macs! Cheers, Steven On 27/07/2011, at 12:11 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 26/07/2011, at 12:55 AM, Steven Knowles wrote: I'm finding the search facility for the Lion version of Mail very unreliable, as in not returning matching messages when it should be. I do have a fairly large accumulation of messages these days, but wasn't a problem with Snow Leopard. I'm wondering if others have found this, or is it a function of me running 10.7 on a MacBook Pro 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (must be 4 to 5 years old by now), which is now considerably more sluggish after moving from Snow Leopard to Lion. Hi Steven, Have you tried ‘rebuilding' each Mailbox? Click on each Mailbox, Go to Mailbox Rebuild. Wait until each Mailbox has rebuilt. Quit Mail Open Mail and try searching. If you are still not happy with your search results try: 1. Enable Indexing Open Terminal, and type the following: sudo mdutil -i on / If it asks for your password, type it in and hit return. Re-open mail. If this didn't fix anything, then you will need to re-index: 2. Re-indexing HD Go to System Preferences, Spotlight, click on
Re: Search facility - Mail on Lion - buggy?
Hi Steven, I do agree with Carlo’s comments below, Lion should be faster than your previous OS, not slower. I presume you did not do a ‘Clean Install’ of Lion but did an ‘In-place Upgrade’ on the same partition as Snow Leopard. I also presume you did all the necessary preparations before upgrading, (such as updating all your applications to Lion compatible versions, repair permissions on SL, did a backup), and the ‘Post-Installation’ tasks (such as allowing Spotlight to completely finish its re-indexing of the HD, running Software Update, repairing permissions, letting Time Machine do its initial complete backup). You Mail search issues, especially “getting false results”, (Lion’s Mail search is smarter than previous Mail Search), does indicate to me that Spotlight has not re-indexed your drive completely. I’ve already suggested you allow Spotlight to Re-Index your HD, and you mention you have done so. Lion reindexes all of your drives on the first couple boot-ups, which may explain why some people thought it was sluggish at first. The more files you have on your system, and the more of those that you leave in scope for Spotlight searches, the longer this will take. After upgrading if the fans are spinning, a) Spotlight is re-indexing, or b) a runaway daemon (needs to be removed, turned off, or app upgrade). The first and most common is that Spotlight is temporarily re-indexing your hard drive. You can verify that by bringing up Activity Monitor, sort by % CPU and if mdworker or mds is chewing up all the CPU then its Spotlight and it should stop after some time. What to suggest you now try ;-) I would do this: Applications Utilities Disk Utility - Verify Disk”. Even if you receive a message “that all appears ok” 1. Shut down your computer 2. Boot the computer while holding down the OPTION key, then select “Recovery HD” and press Return 3. Once booted in Recovery mode, select Disk Utility. Select your Mac HD. 4. Verify Disk ( again if it reports that your HD is OK) 5. Repair Disk 6. Then ‘Repair Permissions' It will most likely quite a number of problems during this process and repair them. 7. After it is finished, restart your computer. Spotlight will most likely re-index your drive again … if it does … let it complete the process without running any other programs. Hopefully this might help. Cheers, Ronni On 29/07/2011, at 10:24 AM, cm wrote: Hi Steven, I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of OS X 10.7 Lion. There is very little reason for your MBP to run slower under Lion unless you have some extra processes are running in the background. When you first install Lion, spotlight will reindex your hard drive. This may cause a temporary slow down until the the indexing is complete in a matter of hours. Another possible cause for a temporary slow down is that Time Machine will back up all the new operating system files and this will result in an unusually large first incremental backup after the install. Apart from that I can't see that any of the features of Lion would require more CPU time than Snow Leopard. The automatic versioning does do saves as you type new data into a Pages document, for instance, but the saves are separated by tens of seconds and this is an age as far as the CPU is concerned. The new graphics effects in Mission Control only occur when the user instigates them and they use the graphics processing unit (the GPU) and thus will not impact significantly on processing time. If anything, the guarantee of system wide 64 bit drivers and software may result in a speed up. I have some minor problems with Lion, but slow operation if definitely not one of them. I also understand the rationale for many of the changes. Some are just to correct historical design flaws that were the result of poor judgement many years ago and became part of OS X. Others are to prepare the operating system to work more closely with iCloud and the Apple Store and to reduce reliance on local storage. OS X is also migrating towards the appliance model of the iPad where an application can be installed an used with a minimum of fuss and each application is responsible for its own data. Cheers, Carlo On 2011-07-29, at 09:24, Steven Knowles wrote: Thanks for your suggestions Ronni. I began having a look about online to see if any others were having similar issues. Yes, not only me having problems with Mail's search facility. Rebuilding mailboxes and re-indexing are the most popular suggestions, both of which I've now done, and like some others, has not resolved the issue. Lion has definitely slowed my MBP down, so maybe it's too underpowered now to effectively handle the full capabilities of Mail's search capability?? I'm guessing not though, because it's not that I'm getting slower results, I'm getting false results, ie. no returned hits when there are definitely matching hits. It's not every search
Re: Search facility - Mail on Lion - buggy?
Hi Carlo It might be comforting to some to hear that post-Lion sluggishness isn't expected to be the norm, but it's definitely the case with my MBP, and a quick web search of something like 'lion sluggish' indicates it's not an issue isolated to me. Agree that initial TM backups and indexing will slow machine, but I'm talking some days post Lion update, indexing well and truly over (even though I did again in an attempt to try solve the Mail problem) and post-Lion TM backups being no different to pre-Lion TM backups, ie. past the initial post-Lion backup. Delays caused by (presumably) autosave were noticeable to start with, ie. spinning beach balls for several seconds now and again, particular when using Mail, but that seems to have disappeared. Though if I had to pick a use when sluggishness was most noticeable, I'd pick Mail. No stopclock measurements mind you, just feel. The changes I'm referring to are more the cosmetic changes, which are obviously subjective. Again Mail springs to mind as an example of cosmetic aspects being same or worse, even a little bland, but definitely no wow factor improvement aesthetically. At least not over and above what was, and maybe that's part of it how do you improve that which is already excellent? Not all negative ... Launchpad looks nice (not quite sure what it's got over accessing apps via having the Applications folder in the Dock, but nice to have options), and Mission Control is terrific. On the whole I remain ho hum about Lion, though that's when compared to Snow Leopard - OSX still walks all over its competitors. Cheers, Steven On 29/07/2011, at 12:24 PM, cm wrote: Hi Steven, I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of OS X 10.7 Lion. There is very little reason for your MBP to run slower under Lion unless you have some extra processes are running in the background. When you first install Lion, spotlight will reindex your hard drive. This may cause a temporary slow down until the the indexing is complete in a matter of hours. Another possible cause for a temporary slow down is that Time Machine will back up all the new operating system files and this will result in an unusually large first incremental backup after the install. Apart from that I can't see that any of the features of Lion would require more CPU time than Snow Leopard. The automatic versioning does do saves as you type new data into a Pages document, for instance, but the saves are separated by tens of seconds and this is an age as far as the CPU is concerned. The new graphics effects in Mission Control only occur when the user instigates them and they use the graphics processing unit (the GPU) and thus will not impact significantly on processing time. If anything, the guarantee of system wide 64 bit drivers and software may result in a speed up. I have some minor problems with Lion, but slow operation if definitely not one of them. I also understand the rationale for many of the changes. Some are just to correct historical design flaws that were the result of poor judgement many years ago and became part of OS X. Others are to prepare the operating system to work more closely with iCloud and the Apple Store and to reduce reliance on local storage. OS X is also migrating towards the appliance model of the iPad where an application can be installed an used with a minimum of fuss and each application is responsible for its own data. Cheers, Carlo On 2011-07-29, at 09:24, Steven Knowles wrote: Thanks for your suggestions Ronni. I began having a look about online to see if any others were having similar issues. Yes, not only me having problems with Mail's search facility. Rebuilding mailboxes and re-indexing are the most popular suggestions, both of which I've now done, and like some others, has not resolved the issue. Lion has definitely slowed my MBP down, so maybe it's too underpowered now to effectively handle the full capabilities of Mail's search capability?? I'm guessing not though, because it's not that I'm getting slower results, I'm getting false results, ie. no returned hits when there are definitely matching hits. It's not every search though, which is consistent with the experience of others. I've now come across MS Word 2008 hanging when used with Lion. This is a known issue and Microsoft plans a fix. If anybody out there relies on Office 2008 and is planning on updating to Lion, might be worth thinking twice. Apparently updating to 2011 is an option, a little extreme to bypass a hanging problem though. For now I've downloaded OpenOffice until Microsoft come up with a fix. I thought one comment I came across on the web reflected one of my perceptions ... Apple seems to have made some changes for change sake or words to that effect. An example cited was Preview and the appearance of the navigation pane on the left instead of the right. Perhaps it's all
Re: Search facility - Mail on Lion - buggy?
On 26/07/2011, at 12:55 AM, Steven Knowles wrote: I'm finding the search facility for the Lion version of Mail very unreliable, as in not returning matching messages when it should be. I do have a fairly large accumulation of messages these days, but wasn't a problem with Snow Leopard. I'm wondering if others have found this, or is it a function of me running 10.7 on a MacBook Pro 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (must be 4 to 5 years old by now), which is now considerably more sluggish after moving from Snow Leopard to Lion. Hi Steven, Have you tried ‘rebuilding' each Mailbox? Click on each Mailbox, Go to Mailbox Rebuild. Wait until each Mailbox has rebuilt. Quit Mail Open Mail and try searching. If you are still not happy with your search results try: 1. Enable Indexing Open Terminal, and type the following: sudo mdutil -i on / If it asks for your password, type it in and hit return. Re-open mail. If this didn't fix anything, then you will need to re-index: 2. Re-indexing HD Go to System Preferences, Spotlight, click on the Privacy tab, click on the + to add the entire Macintosh HD to the list of Prevent spotlight from searching these locations and then remove the Macintosh HD by clicking the - button. Once you've done this is will automatically start re-indexing in spotlight. This can take a long time. When it has completed, Open mail and it should be working properly again. Please let us know how you get on. Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Search facility - Mail on Lion - buggy?
I'm finding the search facility for the Lion version of Mail very unreliable, as in not returning matching messages when it should be. I do have a fairly large accumulation of messages these days, but wasn't a problem with Snow Leopard. I'm wondering if others have found this, or is it a function of me running 10.7 on a MacBook Pro 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (must be 4 to 5 years old by now), which is now considerably more sluggish after moving from Snow Leopard to Lion. Cheers, Steven -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
