Re: Westnet bought by iinet
On 09/05/2008, at 9:20 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote: Mmm… it seems iinet is buying a few service providers. I know my previous service provider Upnaway was also bought by iiNet about 6 months ago. I'm waiting for iiNet to buy Amcom... at which point there will be pretty much no locally based competition left in the broadband market. If iiNet bought Amcom they will then own a HUGE chunk of Optial Fibre in WA. Why does broadband in Australia suck so much? - Matt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Westnet bought by iinet
Why does broadband in Australia suck so much? because australia telecom later telstra never bothered to invest in proper equipment provide service in europe optical fibre networks got installed long before telstra thought of doing that, we are clearly in the back-back water of broadband, any korean, janese, european can get far better internet than we aussies cheers James On 12/05/2008, at 15:37, Matthew Healey wrote: On 09/05/2008, at 9:20 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote: Mmm… it seems iinet is buying a few service providers. I know my previous service provider Upnaway was also bought by iiNet about 6 months ago. I'm waiting for iiNet to buy Amcom... at which point there will be pretty much no locally based competition left in the broadband market. If iiNet bought Amcom they will then own a HUGE chunk of Optial Fibre in WA. Why does broadband in Australia suck so much? - Matt SAD Technic Video Productions, Electronic repairs U3 / 6 Chalkley Pl Bayswater WA 6053 +618 9370 5307,+618 6262 5707, 0414 421 132 http://www.iinet.net.au/~saddas skype: barleeway -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Westnet bought by iinet
Matthew Healey wrote: On 09/05/2008, at 9:20 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote: Mmm it seems iinet is buying a few service providers. I know my previous service provider Upnaway was also bought by iiNet about 6 months ago. I'm waiting for iiNet to buy Amcom... at which point there will be pretty much no locally based competition left in the broadband market. If iiNet bought Amcom they will then own a HUGE chunk of Optial Fibre in WA. Why does broadband in Australia suck so much? Telecommunications in Australia is characterised by a geographic area the size of the USA with a paying population only the size of California. Region - Population Density Korea - 501 people/sq km Japan - 340 people/sq km Europe - 127 people/sq km Australia - 2.7 people/sq km Have fun, Shay (enjoying ADSL 1 on Westnet, at least until iinet change my plan :) -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer The love of liberty is the love Opinions for hire [POQ] of others; the love of power is http://newtonslore.com/fnord the love of ourselves - Hazlitt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Westnet bought by iinet
Yes. In 1984, when I lived in Germany, they were installing fibre-optics in cities. Rob James / Hans Kunz wrote: Why does broadband in Australia suck so much? because australia telecom later telstra never bothered to invest in proper equipment provide service in europe optical fibre networks got installed long before telstra thought of doing that, we are clearly in the back-back water of broadband, any korean, janese, european can get far better internet than we aussies cheers James On 12/05/2008, at 15:37, Matthew Healey wrote: On 09/05/2008, at 9:20 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote: Mmm… it seems iinet is buying a few service providers. I know my previous service provider Upnaway was also bought by iiNet about 6 months ago. I'm waiting for iiNet to buy Amcom... at which point there will be pretty much no locally based competition left in the broadband market. If iiNet bought Amcom they will then own a HUGE chunk of Optial Fibre in WA. Why does broadband in Australia suck so much? - Matt SAD Technic Video Productions, Electronic repairs U3 / 6 Chalkley Pl Bayswater WA 6053 +618 9370 5307,+618 6262 5707, 0414 421 132 http://www.iinet.net.au/~saddas skype: barleeway -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rob Phillips, BSc, PhD, Grad Dip Comp Sci, FHERDSA Teaching and Learning Centre Room 4.42 Level 4 Library North Wing , Murdoch University, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 8 9360 6054 Mobile: 0416 065 054 Fellow, Higher Education Research and Development Society of Australasia --- -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Westnet bought by iinet
I just read the announcement from Westnet and got this very strange feeling of dejavue. A couple of years ago I worked for WA's largest hardware co-operative, CPS (500 stores in the group) Then they merged with Mitre10 (referred to as a joint venture) Now CPS have all but disappeared. Let's see what happens with this one eh ? On 08/05/2008, at 1:42 PM, Robert Howells wrote: My commiserations to our Westnet based members Bob http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23665272-15306,00.html -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Stephen Chape -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Westnet bought by iinet
Hi Ronda ... read my other post. Sorry to be a killjoy but I have heard this all before .. in fact almost identical reasoning !! On 08/05/2008, at 1:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 08/05/2008, at 1:42 PM, Robert Howells wrote: My commiserations to our Westnet based members Bob http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23665272-15306,00.html I don't agree with you here Bob, (hope I'm proved right in my understanding of Westnet's reasons) ;-) I think this will be a good for WestNet Members. Why is Westnet joining forces with iiNet: Westnet Directors have chosen to join forces with iiNet in order to provide a greater range of products and services to existing and new members, to allow Westnet to strengthen its standing in the ISP market and for commercial reasons. iiNet sees great value in Westnet's achievements as an internet service provider, notably, our strong levels of customer service, as rated by independent surveys. Operating the two businesses side by side will allow us to share the best elements of two independently successful companies. What will happen to your current Westnet services?: Nothing. For existing members and their services, its ‘business as usual'. Westnet will continue to operate these services into the future. What will change? Westnet aims to bring more products and services to our members, such as increased ADSL2+ availability, VoIP, and Naked DSL services. Apart from this, nothing will change from a customer perspective. You will continue to be served by the team at Westnet for your technical support, accounts service and for sales of additional products. http://www.westnetblog.com.au/2008/05/08/westnet-join-forces-with-iinet/ Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Stephen Chape -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Westnet bought by iinet
There are a few differences here. Firstly is the fact that iiNet have *always* assimilated the companies they have acquired into their own. The fact that they have stated they will not be doing this would lead me to believe that they plan to do exactly what they say. Secondly iiNet are well aware that Westnet has survived incredibly well in a reseller market for one reason, customer service excellence. I think it would be a long time before iiNet would want to make any changes which could destroy thatfor $81M you really don't want the customer base abandoning ship. Adam. -Original Message- From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Chape Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2008 8:47 PM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Re: Westnet bought by iinet I just read the announcement from Westnet and got this very strange feeling of dejavue. A couple of years ago I worked for WA's largest hardware co-operative, CPS (500 stores in the group) Then they merged with Mitre10 (referred to as a joint venture) Now CPS have all but disappeared. Let's see what happens with this one eh ? On 08/05/2008, at 1:42 PM, Robert Howells wrote: My commiserations to our Westnet based members Bob http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23665272- 15306,00.html -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Stephen Chape -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Westnet bought by iinet
Hi Adam, Westnet have built a fantastic company… and that’s exactly why iiNet wanted them. iiNet can’t afford to break that something special that makes Westnet what they are, so I don’t anticipate anything changing, except for the better. Westnet are in a rare situation where they have been bought out, but the new owner wants them to keep doing exactly what they enjoy doing, and they don’t want to tamper with that at all (and yes, Westnet Management does believe them, because it’s worth too much for iiNet to do anything else). ;-) On top of that, Westnet get access to all of iiNet’s technology that Westnet have wanted for a long time, but haven’t been able to get their hands on. Things like unbundled ADSL2+, naked ADSL, VoIP etc. So it can only make Westnet stronger. Cheers, Ronni On 08/05/2008, at 11:59 PM, Adam hewitt wrote: There are a few differences here. Firstly is the fact that iiNet have *always* assimilated the companies they have acquired into their own. The fact that they have stated they will not be doing this would lead me to believe that they plan to do exactly what they say. Secondly iiNet are well aware that Westnet has survived incredibly well in a reseller market for one reason, customer service excellence. I think it would be a long time before iiNet would want to make any changes which could destroy thatfor $81M you really don't want the customer base abandoning ship. Adam. -Original Message- From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Chape Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2008 8:47 PM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Re: Westnet bought by iinet I just read the announcement from Westnet and got this very strange feeling of dejavue. A couple of years ago I worked for WA's largest hardware co- operative, CPS (500 stores in the group) Then they merged with Mitre10 (referred to as a joint venture) Now CPS have all but disappeared. Let's see what happens with this one eh ? On 08/05/2008, at 1:42 PM, Robert Howells wrote: My commiserations to our Westnet based members Bob http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23665272- 15306,00.html -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Stephen Chape -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Westnet bought by iinet
Mmm… it seems iinet is buying a few service providers. I know my previous service provider Upnaway was also bought by iiNet about 6 months ago. Chris Griffiths On 08/05/2008, at 1:42 PM, Robert Howells wrote: My commiserations to our Westnet based members Bob http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23665272-15306,00.html -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Westnet bought by iinet
My commiserations to our Westnet based members Bob http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23665272-15306,00.html -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Westnet bought by iinet
http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/1790 On 5/8/08, Robert Howells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My commiserations to our Westnet based members Bob http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23665272-15306,00.html -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Westnet bought by iinet
On 08/05/2008, at 1:42 PM, Robert Howells wrote: My commiserations to our Westnet based members Bob http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23665272-15306,00.html I don't agree with you here Bob, (hope I'm proved right in my understanding of Westnet's reasons) ;-) I think this will be a good for WestNet Members. Why is Westnet joining forces with iiNet: Westnet Directors have chosen to join forces with iiNet in order to provide a greater range of products and services to existing and new members, to allow Westnet to strengthen its standing in the ISP market and for commercial reasons. iiNet sees great value in Westnet's achievements as an internet service provider, notably, our strong levels of customer service, as rated by independent surveys. Operating the two businesses side by side will allow us to share the best elements of two independently successful companies. What will happen to your current Westnet services?: Nothing. For existing members and their services, its business as usual'. Westnet will continue to operate these services into the future. What will change? Westnet aims to bring more products and services to our members, such as increased ADSL2+ availability, VoIP, and Naked DSL services. Apart from this, nothing will change from a customer perspective. You will continue to be served by the team at Westnet for your technical support, accounts service and for sales of additional products. http://www.westnetblog.com.au/2008/05/08/westnet-join-forces-with-iinet/ Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
