Re: Email problems (was: What's happening to WAMUG postings)

[Neil Houghton]

Just a follow-up to this. I have also noticed I seem to be missing some
other regular newsletters and an email which was sent to me took several
days to get through - and probably wouldn't have if the sending mail server
doesn't try for up to 5 days!

I have lodged a support ticket with Servers Austalia - so we'll see what
they come up with. The person who sent me the email initially got an error
message back (see below) - does this tell me what/where the problem is?

> 
> Hi Neil
> 
> Here is the message I got.
> 
> Steph
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mail Delivery System
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:10 AM
> To: Hill, Stephanie
> Subject: Delayed Mail (still being retried)
> 
> This is the Postfix program at host calm-dmz-4.calm.wa.gov.au.
> 
> 
> # THIS IS A WARNING ONLY.  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. #
> 
> 
> Your message could not be delivered for 24.0 hours.
> It will be retried until it is 5.0 days old.
> 
> For further assistance, please send mail to 
> 
> The Postfix program
> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host possumology.com[210.14.110.130] said: 451
> Could
> not complete sender verify callout (in reply to RCPT TO command)
> 

Any feedback on this would be good - I'll let the list know what Servers
Australia come back with.

Cheers


Neil

-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
***

on 1/6/07 6:33 PM, Neil Houghton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Reg,
> 
> No, unfortunately it's not spam filtering. I have the spam setting at
> internode set very weak and at present no messages are being held, in any
> case (I think) that would only apply to my [EMAIL PROTECTED] email
> account (which I don't really use).
> 
> Having recently going through the pain of changing all my email
> subscriptions etc from my old bigpond address I'd decided to avoid this in
> the future by using email accounts associated with my own domain (and so
> independent of whichever ISP I choose to use from time to time).
> 
> At present the mail setup at my [EMAIL PROTECTED] email accounts are set
> to flag possible spam but still forward them on - I was going to experiment
> with different spam level settings before actually setting it to hold back
> spam.
> 
> What I still don't know though is how to tell where the problem is - the
> possumology account not receiving the WAMUG posts for some reason or me
> being unable to retrieve the mail from the possumology mail server over my
> internode connection - if it was an ongoing problem, I would think I could
> test this by logging onto the possumology mail server from another
> computer/ISP but since it was only a temporary or intermittant problem it
> seems that tracking it down could be very difficult.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion though.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Neil
> -- 
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> on 1/6/07 5:22 PM, Reg Whitely at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> Hi Laurie and Neil
>> 
>> I haven't had any problems with WAMUG or Internode. It's worth noting
>> that Internode has a variable scale of spam protection. you can log
>> in and check what's being filtered, adjust the filter and enter
>> specific email addresses to filter or let through. Maybe worth a check.
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>> On 01/06/2007, at 8:05 am, Laurie McDonald wrote:
>> 
>>> Neil
>>> 
>>> Noticed that as I read I saw the word 'internode' appeared in Reg
>>> Whitely's post on this subject.
>>> 
>>> Just wondering if he had similar problems?
>>> 
>>> Also I have my email set up so that all spam goes straight through
>>> to the junk 'bag' and I need to check it weekly to be sure good
>>> messages don't get sent there in miss-sorting. Could be an error in
>>> my machine or at iinet. But I don't know that I have lost anything,
>>> only miss-sorts at about the same time you mention.
>>> 
>>> Laurie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31/05/2007, at 8:25 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:
>>> 
 ...SNIPPED...
>>> 
 Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to find out
 what might
 have happened to the missing posts or how to check if any other
 mail went
 astray (I suspect this is a hopeless task but, then again, the
 ingenuity of
 the WAMUG list never fails to amaze me!)
 
 
 TIA
 
 
 Neil
 
 By the way, I'm also owner of a couple of Yahoo groups and have
 noticed
 recently that there seems to be more instances of other people
 missing our
 messages (including myself) though these tend to be more
 intermittent. I
 sometimes wonder if this is all a sign of a general malaise with
 the email
 system buckling under the weight of spam?
 -- 
 Neil R. Hou

Re: Email problems (was: What's happening to WAMUG postings)

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Reg,

No, unfortunately it's not spam filtering. I have the spam setting at
internode set very weak and at present no messages are being held, in any
case (I think) that would only apply to my [EMAIL PROTECTED] email
account (which I don't really use).

Having recently going through the pain of changing all my email
subscriptions etc from my old bigpond address I'd decided to avoid this in
the future by using email accounts associated with my own domain (and so
independent of whichever ISP I choose to use from time to time).

At present the mail setup at my [EMAIL PROTECTED] email accounts are set
to flag possible spam but still forward them on - I was going to experiment
with different spam level settings before actually setting it to hold back
spam.

What I still don't know though is how to tell where the problem is - the
possumology account not receiving the WAMUG posts for some reason or me
being unable to retrieve the mail from the possumology mail server over my
internode connection - if it was an ongoing problem, I would think I could
test this by logging onto the possumology mail server from another
computer/ISP but since it was only a temporary or intermittant problem it
seems that tracking it down could be very difficult.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Cheers


Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



on 1/6/07 5:22 PM, Reg Whitely at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Laurie and Neil
> 
> I haven't had any problems with WAMUG or Internode. It's worth noting
> that Internode has a variable scale of spam protection. you can log
> in and check what's being filtered, adjust the filter and enter
> specific email addresses to filter or let through. Maybe worth a check.
> 
> Reg
> 
> On 01/06/2007, at 8:05 am, Laurie McDonald wrote:
> 
>> Neil
>> 
>> Noticed that as I read I saw the word 'internode' appeared in Reg
>> Whitely's post on this subject.
>> 
>> Just wondering if he had similar problems?
>> 
>> Also I have my email set up so that all spam goes straight through
>> to the junk 'bag' and I need to check it weekly to be sure good
>> messages don't get sent there in miss-sorting. Could be an error in
>> my machine or at iinet. But I don't know that I have lost anything,
>> only miss-sorts at about the same time you mention.
>> 
>> Laurie
>> 
>> 
>> On 31/05/2007, at 8:25 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:
>> 
>>> ...SNIPPED...
>> 
>>> Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to find out
>>> what might
>>> have happened to the missing posts or how to check if any other
>>> mail went
>>> astray (I suspect this is a hopeless task but, then again, the
>>> ingenuity of
>>> the WAMUG list never fails to amaze me!)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TIA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Neil
>>> 
>>> By the way, I'm also owner of a couple of Yahoo groups and have
>>> noticed
>>> recently that there seems to be more instances of other people
>>> missing our
>>> messages (including myself) though these tend to be more
>>> intermittent. I
>>> sometimes wonder if this is all a sign of a general malaise with
>>> the email
>>> system buckling under the weight of spam?
>>> -- 
>>> Neil R. Houghton
>>> Albany, Western Australia
>>> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
>>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> on 31/5/07 1:59 PM, Matthew Healey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> 
 On 31/05/2007, at 11:30 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:
 
> So my test post obviously got to WAMUG but never made it back to
> me.
> 
> Also I still can't check what I missed because the archive link
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/
 
 Try this one instead.
 
 - matt
 
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Re: Email problems (was: What's happening to WAMUG postings)

[Reg Whitely]

Hi Laurie and Neil

I haven't had any problems with WAMUG or Internode. It's worth noting  
that Internode has a variable scale of spam protection. you can log  
in and check what's being filtered, adjust the filter and enter  
specific email addresses to filter or let through. Maybe worth a check.


Reg

On 01/06/2007, at 8:05 am, Laurie McDonald wrote:


Neil

Noticed that as I read I saw the word 'internode' appeared in Reg  
Whitely's post on this subject.


Just wondering if he had similar problems?

Also I have my email set up so that all spam goes straight through  
to the junk 'bag' and I need to check it weekly to be sure good  
messages don't get sent there in miss-sorting. Could be an error in  
my machine or at iinet. But I don't know that I have lost anything,  
only miss-sorts at about the same time you mention.


Laurie


On 31/05/2007, at 8:25 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:


...SNIPPED...


Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to find out  
what might
have happened to the missing posts or how to check if any other  
mail went
astray (I suspect this is a hopeless task but, then again, the  
ingenuity of

the WAMUG list never fails to amaze me!)


TIA


Neil

By the way, I'm also owner of a couple of Yahoo groups and have  
noticed
recently that there seems to be more instances of other people  
missing our
messages (including myself) though these tend to be more  
intermittent. I
sometimes wonder if this is all a sign of a general malaise with  
the email

system buckling under the weight of spam?
--
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


on 31/5/07 1:59 PM, Matthew Healey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 31/05/2007, at 11:30 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:

So my test post obviously got to WAMUG but never made it back to  
me.


Also I still can't check what I missed because the archive link


http://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/

Try this one instead.

- matt



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RE: Email problems

[David Moyle]

Hey

I just tried it, that’s cool Ronda! Love it! I'll do this on my machine
which should stop the locking up and will tell the guys at work!

Thanks, David Moyle
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Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:35 PM
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Subject: Re: Email problems

Hi Lloyd,

A tip from Macworld weekly that you might be interested in:
"If you're having problems with regular hangs/pauses in Entourage;  
hangs that tie up the application with periods of heavy disk  
activity, try turning off the background database check."

"Launch Entourage while holding down the Option key; Database Manager  
is launched instead."

"Click Set Database Preferences. Uncheck background integrity checks."

Cheers,
Ronni

On 27/02/2007, at 12:27 PM, Lloyd White wrote:

> Hi Neil,
>
> Thanks for that. I found it difficult to move the problem file once  
> it is
> there. Your suggestion would work well with new incoming files.
>
> I solved the problem by sending myself a couple of emails and then
> "selecting all" the messages in the preview pane and then deleting  
> them all.
> The problem file went too. Selecting all, did not trigger it to open.
>
> Simple once you think about it but it took my little brain a time  
> to come up
> with it.
>
> Lloyd
>
>
> --
>
>> Hi Lloyd,
>>
>> While I've not had the problem of Entourage freezing, to be safe I  
>> do like
>> to delete the spam without selecting the individual messages  
>> (which would
>> display them in the preview pane).
>>
>> The way I do it is to sort the window by a suitable column to  
>> isolate the
>> message in its own category, then select the category and delete  
>> that.
>>
>> For example, in my case, I find that most of my spam is not just  
>> addressed
>> to me but to some unknown person so I sort the window by the "to"  
>> column and
>> then when I see a section to, say "flavia" with one (or more) spam  
>> messages
>> in it I just select the heading "Flavia (1)" and hit the delete  
>> button. You
>> could do the same thing by sorting on the "from" column and, in  
>> your case,
>> selecting the "tania Immaisi" heading which should not select/ 
>> display the
>> specific message & should not (I think) freeze entourage - then  
>> hit the
>> delete button.
>>
>> In the event that the spam message is to my valid address and say  
>> apparently
>> from one of my real contacts (due to address spoofing) so that  
>> valid emails
>> appear under the same sort heading - I just sort by read/unread  
>> status, make
>> sure I've already viewed the legitimate emails, then select  
>> "unread" and
>> delete.
>>
>> Hope that does it for you.
>>
>> Neil
>
> I know someone had this problem recently but I have forgotten how  
> it was
> solved.
>
> Using Entourage. Received an email from tania Immaisi called ³so  
> rude² -
> with an attachment. The usual rubbish spam.
>
> Before I could trash it the whole entourage froze and I needed to  
> restart.
> Problem: how do I trash it without selecting it and freezing Entourage
> again. When it freezes the whole system goes into time delay and it  
> takes
> minutes to even force quit.
>
> If I restart from my back-up start-up disk I will still need to start
> Entourage to locate the file and it will freeze again.
>
>
> Lloyd
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Email problems

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Lloyd,

A tip from Macworld weekly that you might be interested in:
"If you're having problems with regular hangs/pauses in Entourage;  
hangs that tie up the application with periods of heavy disk  
activity, try turning off the background database check."


"Launch Entourage while holding down the Option key; Database Manager  
is launched instead."


"Click Set Database Preferences. Uncheck background integrity checks."

Cheers,
Ronni

On 27/02/2007, at 12:27 PM, Lloyd White wrote:


Hi Neil,

Thanks for that. I found it difficult to move the problem file once  
it is

there. Your suggestion would work well with new incoming files.

I solved the problem by sending myself a couple of emails and then
"selecting all" the messages in the preview pane and then deleting  
them all.

The problem file went too. Selecting all, did not trigger it to open.

Simple once you think about it but it took my little brain a time  
to come up

with it.

Lloyd


--


Hi Lloyd,

While I've not had the problem of Entourage freezing, to be safe I  
do like
to delete the spam without selecting the individual messages  
(which would

display them in the preview pane).

The way I do it is to sort the window by a suitable column to  
isolate the
message in its own category, then select the category and delete  
that.


For example, in my case, I find that most of my spam is not just  
addressed
to me but to some unknown person so I sort the window by the "to"  
column and
then when I see a section to, say "flavia" with one (or more) spam  
messages
in it I just select the heading "Flavia (1)" and hit the delete  
button. You
could do the same thing by sorting on the "from" column and, in  
your case,
selecting the "tania Immaisi" heading which should not select/ 
display the
specific message & should not (I think) freeze entourage - then  
hit the

delete button.

In the event that the spam message is to my valid address and say  
apparently
from one of my real contacts (due to address spoofing) so that  
valid emails
appear under the same sort heading - I just sort by read/unread  
status, make
sure I've already viewed the legitimate emails, then select  
"unread" and

delete.

Hope that does it for you.

Neil


I know someone had this problem recently but I have forgotten how  
it was

solved.

Using Entourage. Received an email from tania Immaisi called ³so  
rude² -

with an attachment. The usual rubbish spam.

Before I could trash it the whole entourage froze and I needed to  
restart.

Problem: how do I trash it without selecting it and freezing Entourage
again. When it freezes the whole system goes into time delay and it  
takes

minutes to even force quit.

If I restart from my back-up start-up disk I will still need to start
Entourage to locate the file and it will freeze again.


Lloyd





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Re: Email problems

[Lloyd White]

Hi Neil,

Thanks for that. I found it difficult to move the problem file once it is
there. Your suggestion would work well with new incoming files.

I solved the problem by sending myself a couple of emails and then
"selecting all" the messages in the preview pane and then deleting them all.
The problem file went too. Selecting all, did not trigger it to open.

Simple once you think about it but it took my little brain a time to come up
with it.

Lloyd 


--

> Hi Lloyd,
> 
> While I've not had the problem of Entourage freezing, to be safe I do like
> to delete the spam without selecting the individual messages (which would
> display them in the preview pane).
> 
> The way I do it is to sort the window by a suitable column to isolate the
> message in its own category, then select the category and delete that.
> 
> For example, in my case, I find that most of my spam is not just addressed
> to me but to some unknown person so I sort the window by the "to" column and
> then when I see a section to, say "flavia" with one (or more) spam messages
> in it I just select the heading "Flavia (1)" and hit the delete button. You
> could do the same thing by sorting on the "from" column and, in your case,
> selecting the "tania Immaisi" heading which should not select/display the
> specific message & should not (I think) freeze entourage - then hit the
> delete button.
> 
> In the event that the spam message is to my valid address and say apparently
> from one of my real contacts (due to address spoofing) so that valid emails
> appear under the same sort heading - I just sort by read/unread status, make
> sure I've already viewed the legitimate emails, then select "unread" and
> delete.
> 
> Hope that does it for you.
> 
> Neil

I know someone had this problem recently but I have forgotten how it was
solved.

Using Entourage. Received an email from tania Immaisi called ³so rude² -
with an attachment. The usual rubbish spam.

Before I could trash it the whole entourage froze and I needed to restart.
Problem: how do I trash it without selecting it and freezing Entourage
again. When it freezes the whole system goes into time delay and it takes
minutes to even force quit.

If I restart from my back-up start-up disk I will still need to start
Entourage to locate the file and it will freeze again.


Lloyd 

 

Re: Email problems

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Lloyd,

While I've not had the problem of Entourage freezing, to be safe I do like
to delete the spam without selecting the individual messages (which would
display them in the preview pane).

The way I do it is to sort the window by a suitable column to isolate the
message in its own category, then select the category and delete that.

For example, in my case, I find that most of my spam is not just addressed
to me but to some unknown person so I sort the window by the "to" column and
then when I see a section to, say "flavia" with one (or more) spam messages
in it I just select the heading "Flavia (1)" and hit the delete button. You
could do the same thing by sorting on the "from" column and, in your case,
selecting the "tania Immaisi" heading which should not select/display the
specific message & should not (I think) freeze entourage - then hit the
delete button.

In the event that the spam message is to my valid address and say apparently
from one of my real contacts (due to address spoofing) so that valid emails
appear under the same sort heading - I just sort by read/unread status, make
sure I've already viewed the legitimate emails, then select "unread" and
delete.

Hope that does it for you.

Neil
-- 
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Fax: +61 8 9841 6137
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

on 27/2/07 11:18 AM, Lloyd White at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I know someone had this problem recently but I have forgotten how it was
> solved.
> 
> Using Entourage. Received an email from tania Immaisi called ³so rude² -
> with an attachment. The usual rubbish spam.
> 
> Before I could trash it the whole entourage froze and I needed to restart.
> Problem: how do I trash it without selecting it and freezing Entourage
> again. When it freezes the whole system goes into time delay and it takes
> minutes to even force quit.
> 
> If I restart from my back-up start-up disk I will still need to start
> Entourage to locate the file and it will freeze again.
> 
> 
> Lloyd 
> --
> 

Re: re Email Problems

[Ronda Brown]

KEVIN Lock wrote:


Under 'edit', there is no function  to paste as an HTML.


Hi Kev,

I assumed you were meaning Apple Mail version 2.1 Tiger version.
In that version there is under  'Edit' > Paste as HTML

You must have your email as Rich text
 'Format'  -  Make Rich Text

Cheers,

Ronni

Re: re Email Problems

[Paul]

KEVIN Lock wrote:

Thanks for your efforts on this one folks.

My wife uses Apple mail and cannot forward successfully forward email 
messages  with embedded graphics to anyonesimilarly me using Eudora.


I have tried copying and pasting and the full message appears ready to 
be sent, but when it is sent it is obvious that the graphics do not 
go.  I have sent the messages to myself, my wife and a PC user.


Under 'edit', there is no function  to paste as an HTML.  There 
doesn't seem to be a 'Forward as Attachment' function in Apple Mail or 
Eudora either.


This is not a biggy, but when I forward messages on, it is a bit 
embarrassing when  only the text gets to the recipient.   I have no 
problems with graphics as attachments.


regards

Kev


Hi Kev

If you aren't too attached to your emailers you could try Thunderbird.
Among other things it handles varied recipients, graphics and HTML very 
nicely.
We've swung between it and Mail a few times now and both Vicki and I opt 
for TB in the end.

It has pretty good success importing your old emails etc too.

I've always avoided MS email apps myself but I can say that none of my 
clients that I've switched from Outlook Express on Windows or OSX to TB 
have ever wanted to go back, nor for that matter have they even 
mentioned it again, good standard software and no dramas. Just like Firefox.



Good luck
Paul

re Email Problems

[KEVIN Lock]

Thanks for your efforts on this one folks.

My wife uses Apple mail and cannot forward successfully forward email 
messages  with embedded graphics to anyonesimilarly me using 
Eudora.


I have tried copying and pasting and the full message appears ready 
to be sent, but when it is sent it is obvious that the graphics do 
not go.  I have sent the messages to myself, my wife and a PC user.


Under 'edit', there is no function  to paste as an HTML.  There 
doesn't seem to be a 'Forward as Attachment' function in Apple Mail 
or Eudora either.


This is not a biggy, but when I forward messages on, it is a bit 
embarrassing when  only the text gets to the recipient.   I have no 
problems with graphics as attachments.


regards

Kev

Re: Email Problems

[Bob Howells]

Kelly,
Have you tried setting up a new account under a different account name
But with the same properties

Check out the help info under accounts

Bob

On 3/9/03 3:55 PM, "Kelly Duffy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Two issues in one day, I must be on a role. I am
> running Entourage 2001 on Mac OS9.2 on a flat panel
> iMac. I haven't been able to recieve email for two
> days. I've been getting continous error messages say
> that 'Could not retrieve mail from account "account".'
> with an explanation of the emssage saying 'The end of
> file was reached.'
> 
> The only time I have seen anything similar was on the
> Microsoft support website saying that 'End of file"
> messages may come up on starting up Entourage while
> there is not enough memory but that is different to
> what's happening here and there is plenty of RAM
> allocated.  Restarting running no other applications
> hasn't helped it either.
> 
> I left on Thursday and the computer worked fine, came
> in on Monday and had no email. Someone else has used
> my email account for some reason, I don't know if they
> could have changed any settings.
> 
> Possibly related but most likely not the computer has
> been doing a few strange things, my mouse stopped
> recognising the right, forward and back buttons and
> scroll wheel, but a restart fixed that.
> 
> Its well maintained, Disk First Aid has been run, the
> desktop was rebuilt, all the standard maintenance
> except for running Disk Warrior.
> 
> If anyone has any suggestions I'd really appreciate
> it, the IT person that can fix the Mac is expected in
> the next couple of days but no email for a week is a
> bit much.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Kelly Duffy
> 
> 
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