Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 02:06:29AM -0600, Zarel wrote: > Are > there any other concerns you have about the text? If you do have > further valid concerns, I'd still be happy to remove the text, it's > just that I currently no longer see any reason to do so. The fact that the text is almost unreadable? It may look OK on your 800x600 screen but on a hi-res monitor it is mouse print. You might want to read the forum thread again and think about the word 'Go'. -- Stephen Swaney sswa...@centurytel.net ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
Zarel wrote: > Furthermore, Buggy and I both give reasons for leaving the text there, > and I believe I've addressed all of the concerns put forth so far. Are > there any other concerns you have about the text? If you do have > further valid concerns, I'd still be happy to remove the text, it's > just that I currently no longer see any reason to do so. It's still breaking the user experience of a fully translated game. And can't we have some column caption instead saying "Ready?" (translatable, of course!) or would that be too much work with the current GUI code? - Kreuvf signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Zarel wrote: > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Kreuvf wrote: >> That's good. Now there are at least three people that dislike the idea and >> gave >> reasons for it. So, why not just undo this until you can make it a >> translatable >> string? > > ...fine, but only because you asked so nicely. Wait, wait. I only see two people who disliked the idea. Buggy seems to be talking about a problem with the _old_ text-less checkbox, not my new checkbox; I was interpreting his statement to be on my side. In fact, he said this: > This is the exact same problem I had with the generic 'square' that we > use now...about a year ago. Referring to this post of his: > elio, hate to bug you again, but can you work your magic on some more > buttons. > > For skirmish games, right now it displays the blank checkmark box. > That doesn't mean anything to lots of people. And you can't see the > check when you click on it, since your the only player. > > I was thinking, maybe you can do something along the lines of "GO" > in a faded state for not pressed, and highlight it when mouse hovers > over it, or make it from "GO ?" to "GO !" ... In other words, he was _in favor_ of having text on the button, as opposed to just having a blank checkmark. I retract my earlier statement - with two in favor and two against, I see no reason to take any action. Furthermore, Buggy and I both give reasons for leaving the text there, and I believe I've addressed all of the concerns put forth so far. Are there any other concerns you have about the text? If you do have further valid concerns, I'd still be happy to remove the text, it's just that I currently no longer see any reason to do so. -Zarel ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Kreuvf wrote: > That's good. Now there are at least three people that dislike the idea and > gave > reasons for it. So, why not just undo this until you can make it a > translatable > string? ...fine, but only because you asked so nicely. -Zarel ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
Zarel wrote: > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Stephen Swaney wrote: >> This is totally beside the point. Your love of argument is showing. > > Love of argument? More like interest in doing things the right way. :[ That's good. Now there are at least three people that dislike the idea and gave reasons for it. So, why not just undo this until you can make it a translatable string? - Kreuvf signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
On 12/4/09, Zarel wrote: > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Kreuvf wrote: > > zare...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: > >> Revision: 8594 > >> > http://warzone2100.svn.sourceforge.net/warzone2100/?rev=8594&view=rev > >> Author: zarelsl > >> Better "ready?" checkbox. > > It's only better if you know enough English to understand "READY?". If > not, you > > are more screwed than before IMHO. :( > > > At worst, you're just as screwed as before, and you have to consider > that most people, even if they don't speak English, should know > "Ready?" if they play games online. > This is the exact same problem I had with the generic 'square' that we use now...about a year ago. http://forums.wz2100.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1608 I think that about sums it up. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Stephen Swaney wrote: > This is totally beside the point. Your love of argument is showing. Love of argument? More like interest in doing things the right way. :[ >> Once we get a readable font at that size/resolution (and I'm planning >> on eventually making one), I'll make it a translatable string. Until >> then, this is better than nothing. Especially if it already has a >> tooltip that can be translated - whoever can't understand the word >> "Ready?" can read the tooltip. > > While I agree with your implicit argument that people should speak > English like everyone else, the button does not look better than it > did before. 'Better than nothing' might be a valid argument if there > *was* nothing there before, but we *did* have a usable button with a > (translated) tooltip. This is simply not better. Disregarding your sarcasm (it's not that I think people should speak English like everyone else, but that I observe that more of our users happen to know English than any other language - I would've used Esperanto if it had been as popular as it was intended to be), we still have a usable button with a translated tooltip, so I'm pretty sure it's not any worse than it was before. -Zarel ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Stephen Swaney wrote: > This is totally beside the point. Your love of argument is showing. Love of argument? More like interest in doing things the right way. :[ >> Once we get a readable font at that size/resolution (and I'm planning >> on eventually making one), I'll make it a translatable string. Until >> then, this is better than nothing. Especially if it already has a >> tooltip that can be translated - whoever can't understand the word >> "Ready?" can read the tooltip. > > While I agree with your implicit argument that people should speak > English like everyone else, the button does not look better than it > did before. 'Better than nothing' might be a valid argument if there > *was* nothing there before, but we *did* have a usable button with a > (translated) tooltip. This is simply not better. Disregarding your sarcasm (it's not that people should speak English like everyone else, but that more of our users happen to know English than any other language - I would've used Esperanto if it had been as popular as it was intended to be), we still have a usable button with a translated tooltip, so I have no idea how this would be any worse. -Zarel ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 05:21:40PM -0600, Zarel wrote: > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Dennis Schridde wrote: > > Am Freitag, 4. Dezember 2009 21:30:58 schrieb Zarel: > >> [...] you have to consider > >> that most people, even if they don't speak English, should know > >> "Ready?" if they play games online. > > That is not a valid assumption. > > Are you arguing that there is not a single user who understands what > "Ready?" means, not even English speakers? > > Otherwise, it is a valid assumption, since it helps comprehension for > at least a portion of the userbase, and leaves the rest of the > userbase no worse off. This is totally beside the point. Your love of argument is showing. > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Stephen Swaney wrote: > > It is inconsistent with the rest of the interface. If you are going > > to put a word there, it should be a translatable string. Note that > > the button already has a tooltip which is translated. > > > > Also it does not look that good. The text is very small. > > Once we get a readable font at that size/resolution (and I'm planning > on eventually making one), I'll make it a translatable string. Until > then, this is better than nothing. Especially if it already has a > tooltip that can be translated - whoever can't understand the word > "Ready?" can read the tooltip. While I agree with your implicit argument that people should speak English like everyone else, the button does not look better than it did before. 'Better than nothing' might be a valid argument if there *was* nothing there before, but we *did* have a usable button with a (translated) tooltip. This is simply not better. -- Stephen Swaney sswa...@centurytel.net ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Dennis Schridde wrote: > Am Freitag, 4. Dezember 2009 21:30:58 schrieb Zarel: >> [...] you have to consider >> that most people, even if they don't speak English, should know >> "Ready?" if they play games online. > That is not a valid assumption. Are you arguing that there is not a single user who understands what "Ready?" means, not even English speakers? Otherwise, it is a valid assumption, since it helps comprehension for at least a portion of the userbase, and leaves the rest of the userbase no worse off. I am also noticing furthermore that a significant proportion (not necessarily all) of foreign players also understand some level of English, and of the rest, a significant proportion (not necessarily all) who play multiplayer will understand the word "Ready?" But even if this turns out to be wrong, the above still holds. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Stephen Swaney wrote: > It is inconsistent with the rest of the interface. If you are going > to put a word there, it should be a translatable string. Note that > the button already has a tooltip which is translated. > > Also it does not look that good. The text is very small. Once we get a readable font at that size/resolution (and I'm planning on eventually making one), I'll make it a translatable string. Until then, this is better than nothing. Especially if it already has a tooltip that can be translated - whoever can't understand the word "Ready?" can read the tooltip. -Zarel ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
Am Freitag, 4. Dezember 2009 21:30:58 schrieb Zarel: > [...] you have to consider > that most people, even if they don't speak English, should know > "Ready?" if they play games online. That is not a valid assumption. --devu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 02:30:58PM -0600, Zarel wrote: > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Kreuvf wrote: > > zare...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: > >> Revision: 8594 > >> > >> http://warzone2100.svn.sourceforge.net/warzone2100/?rev=8594&view=rev > >> Author: zarelsl > >> Better "ready?" checkbox. > > It's only better if you know enough English to understand "READY?". If not, > > you > > are more screwed than before IMHO. :( > > At worst, you're just as screwed as before, and you have to consider > that most people, even if they don't speak English, should know > "Ready?" if they play games online. It is inconsistent with the rest of the interface. If you are going to put a word there, it should be a translatable string. Note that the button already has a tooltip which is translated. Also it does not look that good. The text is very small. Thumbs down. -- Stephen Swaney sswa...@centurytel.net ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Kreuvf wrote: > zare...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: >> Revision: 8594 >> >> http://warzone2100.svn.sourceforge.net/warzone2100/?rev=8594&view=rev >> Author: zarelsl >> Better "ready?" checkbox. > It's only better if you know enough English to understand "READY?". If not, > you > are more screwed than before IMHO. :( At worst, you're just as screwed as before, and you have to consider that most people, even if they don't speak English, should know "Ready?" if they play games online. -Zarel ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [warzone2100-dev] [Warzone2100-commits] SF.net SVN: warzone2100:[8594] trunk/data/base/images/frontend4.png
zare...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: > Revision: 8594 > > http://warzone2100.svn.sourceforge.net/warzone2100/?rev=8594&view=rev > Author: zarelsl > Better "ready?" checkbox. It's only better if you know enough English to understand "READY?". If not, you are more screwed than before IMHO. :( signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
