[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
- Original Message - From: Cheryl D. Wise I do not consider myself a programmer but someone with enough familiarity with programming to function. That's about where I am with Web designing, as opposed to the coding side. I can lay out a page with table or frame commands* and choose the colours if I have to, think I have a reasonable grasp of the use of fonts, and I have learned quite a lot about how to use Paintshop Pro to hack a picture around till it's how I want it, but I couldn't begin to put an 'A' grade site together as I lack the design skills and artistic ability. *Yes I know, I should do it in CSS, liquid layout and all that; 5 minutes to do it in tables, or a month of agony to get it working right in layers and finally giving up on NS4... I'll wait till we all got the same browser I think ducking and running The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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At 17:15 11/04/2004, you wrote: You only have to remember to change it when you are creating a 'new' message. Yes, I know. And that's where my memory is failing me! (LOL) Peter MacGregor The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
Bj wrote: ...using various BASICs, C, Assembler (Intel 6502 and VAX Macro-32), microcode, Pascal and COBOL, have been sent on formal short courses in ICL 2966 COBOL and SCL, IBM Rexx/CMS and the Unix Bourne shell, spent over two years programming COBOL for a living and over the past twenty years have played around and done some programming in Z80 assembler, Fortran, LISP, Pilot, MS Quickbasic, MS-DOS batch language, Smalltalk, VAX DCL, Forth, Logo, Prolog, George 3, ICL Plan and DME, IBM 360 Assembler, Visual BASIC and others, even wrote a CESIL interpreter and got some way into inventing a weird language that had a Come from as well as a Go to... Tim: Wild man! :-) You've got me beat by a few. But you haven't lived until you've done RPG II. The logic's already pre-programmed, you just have to tell it what to do when...it was a real mind-bender for me 20 years ago. It's like programming a merry-go-round. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
Cheryl D. Wise wrote: I find this discussion interesting. I do not consider myself a programmer because I do not like to write programs. I can and do write code though given a choice I'd rather use something already written or give that part of a project to someone who likes to write code. I took one programming class back in 1975 using basic. Then didn't touch it again until I started writing HTML back in 93-94. Even then it wasn't programming but formatting using HTML. Yes, an interesting discussion. Cheryl, you may not consider yourself a programmer but you have the foundation. After that comes the tinkering stage, where you modify someone else's code to fix bugs or just make it do something different. That's where you are now. You know you're a programmer when you look at someone else's code and say That's crap, I can do better. And then you do it. Bj, to push myself along the OO path with PHP I've started working with code from an open source, online game. It's not OO and it's buggy. The original and current developers know it needs a rewrite and they want to do it as OO. I figure working on a large project, with other people and without the time pressure of work for a client would be a good way to get past the OO barrier in PHP. However, I may have picked the wrong group of developers. Most are too busy to contribute much and the one fellow that is producing code is new to OO and doesn't do it very well (but how do I politely let him know that I don't like his code). Anyway maybe you can find a similar project. Email me offlist if you think this game might be of interest. Joseph, so how does this help you? We've all had years of experience fixing our own code and the code of others, and we are still learning. I wonder if it would have been best for you to have searched the various code respositories for an application, for example hotscripts.com. If I understand correctly, you don't really need to learn PHP, you just need an application that works for your particular project. The scripts online, versus those from a book, have the advantage of being tested online. If you limit yourself to recent releases there are fewer problems. Sheila The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
programmer design sense, enough said. grin / Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer MS-MVP-FrontPage www.wiserways.com mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 713.353.0139 Office -Original Message- From: Bj *Yes I know, I should do it in CSS, liquid layout and all that; 5 minutes to do it in tables, or a month of agony to get it working right in layers and finally giving up on NS4... I'll wait till we all got the same browser I think ducking and running The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
Joseph, so how does this help you? We've all had years of experience fixing our own code and the code of others, and we are still learning. I wonder if it would have been best for you to have searched the various code respositories for an application, for example hotscripts.com. If I understand correctly, you don't really need to learn PHP, you just need an application that works for your particular project. The scripts online, versus those from a book, have the advantage of being tested online. If you limit yourself to recent releases there are fewer problems. Sheila Sheila, The answer is this is very interesting to me too.Your (all of you) years of experience shine through, as I have been trying to say. What you are not seeing from my angle is the quality of the teaching that this list offers, and the depth of knowledge which is here. Though there is some truth in the idea that a script from a good source would probably meet my needs, there are two caveats. Or three. First how would I recognise such a script? Second, if I took such a script and used it would I have the faintest idea how to deal with anything that went wrong? And by that I mean even understanding what the problem was. Third, without any understanding of the code I would have no concept of its possibilities, or the possibilities it opened up. Nor of its limitations. The web is changing in many ways all the time. As with most digitally based matters there is a rapid 'democratising' as it becomes easier and easier to achieve various tasks. Gates and Windows, for all the possible criticisms, show this quite dramatically. The development of one more accessible code after another underlines this too. PHP makes for an easy entry to coding - at least in comparison to the Cs and a few others that strike me dumb. While it has taken me much longer than I hoped, I have now a basic awareness (I hesitate to say understanding) of how PHP is written and what kind of thing it can do. It is possible that fighting this book has made me do this quicker than might have been the case! I have just been looking at another 'sign-up' code and see that it approaches it with different variables as in '5 ways of doing anything in php'. While I don't really want to write my own code, I do want to fit codes together to achieve a plan or two that I have for my site; and I have to get the site going along those (hopefully, paying) lines before I will be in a position to employ those who really know how to do all the expert things so I can write poetry! Meanwhile, if you don't mind me tagging along and tugging at your coat tails from time to time, I am pleased to find myself in such sompany. And I still think there is a case for a joint book and site written by members of this list (you didn't think I'd miss a chance to mention it, did you?). Had I been allowed to do radar when I did National Service in the RAF (that dates me!) I might well have diverted into electronics and be sporting a list like the one Bj revealed. But they put me in statistics and I never looked forward. ;-) Joseph The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
