[wdvltalk] Re : OT Stopping Spam - mulling everything over - long
Hello dear group, Hope you've all had a wonderful weekend. Andrew, thanks for that tip on suspending mail delivery. That would be a great solution! It's always such a hassle when I come back and try to figure out "where I left of with my subscriptions". David, I have been thinking quite a bit about that javascript you've got there. It's very intriguing. I've been mulling over all of your responses concerning the "Stopping Spam" and the changing of emails for quite a few days. The problem : you are all right. Andrea, excellent post. Back in the olden days, they were called telephone numbers and snail mail! ;-) Peter, excellent post. That really got me thinking. A girlfriend from high school actually found me by using my first name combined with my domain name 7 years later. I know that's not business, but I was thrilled to have her come with her husband to visit France and stay with me. It was a freak accident, but that really got me thinking about your situation. I just have to say again "MailWasher". I can't see any solution for you besides that. Keep your email, don't let the spammers kill your business. However, I am not going to change my email. I am just going to change my ISP email. I am [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my main email alias). My ISP email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm going to change the latter to something like "my daughter's name or my guinea pig's name @wanadoo.fr " I know it's not the best solution, but I can at least get rid of 50% of this trash for this summer so I can maybe only have 60 spams a day instead of 160! Now, here is my plan : 1) change my current wanadoo email to something different 2) change my GoDaddy email contact info, hoping that the new email doesn't mess up everything. 3) Given that Amanda was so kind to point out that the whois database is there for all to behold, start considering a Plan 2*, and/or coughing up another $9 per year for the privacy thing? 4) Go march in Washington DC while I'm on vacation, carry a sign saying "no more spam". Learn how to lobby on behalf of us all? * can I use one of those weird yahoo or hotmail accounts as a serious contact for my host? Well, thanks for letting me rant and throw ideas at you. Happy Sunday, Elisa P.S. I counted my spams this weekend, I had over 300 and I downloaded 2. It's getting ugly. Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.683 / Virus Database: 425 - Release Date: 5/12/2004 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: OT: Stopping Spam
Again, there remains the danger that when you "opt out" to unsubscribe, you will identify your email address as active, valid, and **responsive**, which you don't want to do. You'll vastly multiply your spam. I'm going to very soon kill one or two email accounts. I don't care who I lose in the process. My prospects and clients use email to contact me, but I have deleted suspicious emails, then the client phones me, and I apologize. I am not a high volume business, so my case may be exceptional compared to many of you. But regardless, in business we must compromise and just do the best we can. Jakob Nielsen has stated that he believes email is a broken application that is doomed. He may be correct. I refuse to be overly dependent on email, and I even disabled all Instant Messaging for security reasons. I figure if someone wants to reach me bad enough, they will not stop at email. Filters sometimes delete legit emails. What then? Why, we just tolerate it and move on. I don't want to do business with someone who stops at email to contact me. That's lazy, IMHO. If someone goes the extra mile and phones or land mails me, that's a HOT prospect, my favorite kind. This happened last night. Don't mean to be defensive, and some of you cannot abide by my personal stance on this issue, but consider: why isn't your prospect list up-to-date? Why do you not have multiple contact methods (phone, 800, land address, fax) for prospects and clients and suppliers? My warning: do not become overly dependent on email. Email may, like Nielsen predicts, be ruined beyond all value, by the spammers and malicious code perpetrators. Act now to develop alternate methods for contact. I send out a land mail print out newsletter to my clients with usability tips and techniques. I do not send email newsletters. They could get filtered out or ignored. While land mail actually gets better attention, and archiving. I gotta get rid of archived email. It's piling up too much. I will print out and save hard copies of important emails. Just my personal thoughts on the matter. Steven Streight STREIGHT SITE SYSTEMS Web Usability Analysis, Credibility Assessment & Content Writing [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: OT: Stopping Spam
The US law is very new. I don't know if there have been any prosecutions yet. There has been at best 1 high profit prosecution in California under them state statute with a fine of something the $700,000. I don it law if is two nib but I've head stories that there are companies that follow the letter of the law-removing you from their Marl list. Then turning around and selling-of lo this as a "verified" email address. I've had the some email address that is publicly available and have no intention of changing it in put for the same reason you mentioned. I got tons of spam but I use filters to keep manageable. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer MS-MVP-FrontPage www.wiserways.com mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 713.353.0139 Office -Original Message- From: Peter MacGregor Sure, I accept that - but how do you square that with the new legislation in US that says an opt out must be provided? I can identify about 50% of my spam as coming form US based list owners. I thought I'd read that a prosecution was under way of at least one company for sending spam and not abiding by the new laws. Not a lot of point if the suits on Capitol Hill pass laws and don't ensure they are enforced. Here in UK we've had several prosecutions and one jailing so far for breaching our laws. >I'm going to do what Andrea and Joseph have recommendedset up >another email account. That's all very well - but my email address is in the possession of hundreds of legitimate clients and potential clients, suppliers and potential suppliers, (I run three different businesses from here) it would be commercial suicide for me to kill it off. I can notify a large number of companies I deal with regularly, but I doubt I have a 100% accurate list of everyone I should tell if I change my email. Just yesterday I got an email from someone I hadn't heard from for about three years - no way I'd have been able to tell him as he's moved to another employer recently and wants me to do some work for them. Could be worth up to £10,000 for me ($15k) so you see why I am reluctant to change! The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: OT: Stopping Spam
-Original Message- From: Elisa Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I will also be doing the unsub to all of my email groups, including this one (sniff!). __ WDVL has a nice feature by which you can remain subscribed but suspend mail delivery. I've used it as recently as last week and will again next week. Just go the the Froum page, login and change your settings. We don't need to loose you. http://www.wdvl.com/WDVL/Forum/ drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: OT: Stopping Spam
At 20:44 12/05/2004, you wrote: Andrea is very correct in her reply concerning opening up or clicking on or going to the web site to unsub. That just means that you "do" exist and have confirmed your real email. Sure, I accept that - but how do you square that with the new legislation in US that says an opt out must be provided? I can identify about 50% of my spam as coming form US based list owners. I thought I'd read that a prosecution was under way of at least one company for sending spam and not abiding by the new laws. Not a lot of point if the suits on Capitol Hill pass laws and don't ensure they are enforced. Here in UK we've had several prosecutions and one jailing so far for breaching our laws. I'm going to do what Andrea and Joseph have recommendedset up another email account. That's all very well - but my email address is in the possession of hundreds of legitimate clients and potential clients, suppliers and potential suppliers, (I run three different businesses from here) it would be commercial suicide for me to kill it off. I can notify a large number of companies I deal with regularly, but I doubt I have a 100% accurate list of everyone I should tell if I change my email. Just yesterday I got an email from someone I hadn't heard from for about three years - no way I'd have been able to tell him as he's moved to another employer recently and wants me to do some work for them. Could be worth up to £10,000 for me ($15k) so you see why I am reluctant to change! Good Luck on your trip, Elisa. Enjoy the break. Peter MacGregor The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: OT: Stopping Spam
The website addresses I use on pages are ASCII - which I know can now be "robotted" if they really try (which sucks but it's better than nothing) and I have never used my mine. I always create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] You might try using JavaScript. See my experiments at www.blakeyconsulting.com/dev/test-email-cloak.asp Regards, David The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: OT: Stopping Spam
Dear Joseph, Thanks for taking the time to email me. SP> I was getting the good wishes in early because I'll forget later! Very sweet of you, but don't worry, I'll go on vacation leaving wishes to all. SP> I know the spammers are getting cleverer (or updating their technology SP> together with everyone else). If you've had spamming on this address for a SP> long time it was most likely picked up from the site, if it is more recent SP> the number of ways of getting it have and are increasing, as others have SP> pointed out. I think that Amanda's last email may have helped me solve a bit of the problem. SP> Also these days they test all sorts of possibilities which might match a SP> .com or other site name; it costs them very little to send out millions SP> that will never go anywhere in the certainty that some of the mock-ups will SP> land. Presumably some success is achieved in selling, unless spam is SP> mostly sent out by suckers buying lists in the million for 'ten bucks a SP> go'!! This is very true. I get a lot of emails with names that aren't even mine. (Another topic to be read and discussed : how do emails that are not properly addressed arrive in your mailbox?) SP> I know if I had a list that bought from me I would guard it better than the SP> Royal Family gets guarded!! So I reckon most spam lists are culled and SP> invented, not developed. I know about those. They are very hard to manage. SP> I have two webmail hosts; both are themselves hosted on 'horde'. One SP> comes with my website from 34sp.com (10 addresses). The other is SP> www.vfemail.net; Rick seems to be always around and on hand to answer SP> questions, and my account is free! I can't speak for any of the other SP> webmail accounts. I have wanadoo.fr, which is my French ISP. And I don't use that email. I have my domain, butler-online.com, which is hosted at GoDaddy...for the moment. I use aliases. Now that Amanda seems to have figured out my problem, which is really fantastic, I just need to find a solution. Unfortunately, it may just be changing my "basic" email every 3 months to get rid of the spam demons, or paying to sign up with GoDaddy's "private whois", either way, it just not fair. All my best, Elisa P.S. I asked you about the TSL because, in general, most erudite people always seem to know a lot about teaching English. That's all ;-) Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.683 / Virus Database: 425 - Release Date: 5/12/2004 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: OT: Stopping Spam
Dear Amanda, Thank you so VERY much! I just went to my GoDaddy manage account. You were SO right! I am so "Please insert any really bad language that suits your country" angry with myself/them! >We will never - under any circumstance - rent, sell, exchange or in any way make your >information >available to third parties, unless legally required to do so. I suppose that doesn't cover the whois, duh me. I've been so used to using this first class outfit, WebStorage. They always had private whois listings. I guess I got spoiled by them. I was so used to using the [EMAIL PROTECTED] as admin and reg with WebStorage. I don't know why I've got that wanadoo.fr at GoDaddy as my account security listing. I'm going to check into this private whois listing option at GoDaddy. Thanks again for the heads' up Amanda. All my best, Elisa AB0> Eliza, AB> Does GoDaddy have it because you use it as one of the contact emails for a AB> domain registration? If so, that probably answers your question: the whois AB> database is freely available, and spammers mine it to find addresses (since AB> they're pretty much known-good). This is exactly why GoDaddy (among AB> others) offers private whois listings. AB> Amanda Birmingham Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.683 / Virus Database: 425 - Release Date: 5/12/2004 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: OT: Stopping Spam
Eliza, Does GoDaddy have it because you use it as one of the contact emails for a domain registration? If so, that probably answers your question: the whois database is freely available, and spammers mine it to find addresses (since they're pretty much known-good). This is exactly why GoDaddy (among others) offers private whois listings. Amanda Birmingham At 04:05 PM 5/12/2004, you wrote: Dear Joseph, I have never ever used that email ever. No one has it. Really. The website addresses I use on pages are ASCII - which I know can now be "robotted" if they really try (which sucks but it's better than nothing) and I have never used my mine. I always create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I have ever used my email, it would be a butler-online alias, such as here. I have never ever used that wanadoo.fr address in my life. The only system that would have that would be 1) wanadoo.fr and 2) GoDaddy I think I'll check into this webmail thing...it could be handy. Is is like hotmail or Yahoo? How does it work? Oh, my trip isn't for another month, so you'll have put up with me for a bit yet! Cheers, Elisa The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: OT: Stopping Spam
Dear David, Yes, I caught that, but given that I won't be using it again, I thought I'd just throw it in there! I did think twice about writing it "out loud" in public for the first time, but what the heck! ;-) 50 million people already have it! Question : if the archive of these posts is ok for spammers, why have I never once received a spam to wdvl@(nospam*)butler-online.com? I never got one for daisy@(nospam*)butler-online.com (I use that for my guinea pig forum, the name of my guinea pig). (* I just added that now because you've got me worried about my good luck at not being spammed at those emails! ;-) I have about 20 different emails, one each per forum. I did this on purpose about 7 years ago. This way, I can track who sent the spam. If I ever got a spam to daisy, I know exactly where it came from. Never a one. If I get a spam from the epicurious.com forum, I would know that it came from there. CNN@, Amazon@, etc... wdvl... However, the very first time I have ever written my wanadoo.fr address ever was tonight. The first time in 7 years. Never in a letter, never in an email, never in a post, never in a forum. Not even spoken on the telephone. Like I said, go figure! ;-))) Off I go to change my wanadoo.fr email to something new. Oh, also, I think that I will call wanadoo tomorrow to let them know that if I get one single spam with my new wanadoo email, I will know where it came from! I also have to change my stuff on GoDaddy, I'll let them know too. Cheers, Elisa DB> and then you quote it. You know that the archive of these posts could be a DB> source for spammers? DB> Regards, DB> David Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.683 / Virus Database: 425 - Release Date: 5/12/2004 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
