RE: [wdvltalk] Site review - and grammar

2006-10-28 Thread Cheryl D Wise 
Nope, Visual Studio is for developers. Expression Web is for designers.
Microsoft tends to see things in the "corporate" environment where people
work I teams. Expression Web is for the layout and design, to use the
asp.net code behind pages created in VS (like with Dreamweaver you cannot
create code behind pages in Expression even though there is support for
ASP.NET controls. Microsoft is entering the design tool market to compete
with Dreamweaver. 

For those working on intranets, etc. SharePoint is the design tool there.
You can't use Expression to work on SharePoint sites which I consider a
bonus. 


Cheryl D Wise
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-Original Message-
From: Conyers, Dwayne 

I thought Expression Web was the new FP until Visual Studio 2007.  Guess
I should read the chatter a bit more closely.


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RE: [wdvltalk] Site review - and grammar

2006-10-28 Thread Conyers, Dwayne 
Cheryl D Wise [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

> The next version of Word will allow you to take basically 
> clean XHTML out for blog posts, etc. If you use the new 
> document format you can also the content as pure xml.
>
> FrontPage is terminal. There will be no new version. 
> Expression Web which is the tool replacing it has several 
> options for bringing in Word docs with varying degrees of 
> formatting. It has a spellchecker but not a grammar checker. 
> Get the public beta and try for yourself.


Wah...

I thought Expression Web was the new FP until Visual Studio 2007.  Guess
I should read the chatter a bit more closely.


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RE: [wdvltalk] Site review - and grammar

2006-10-28 Thread Cheryl D Wise 
The next version of Word will allow you to take basically clean XHTML out
for blog posts, etc. If you use the new document format you can also the
content as pure xml.

FrontPage is terminal. There will be no new version. Expression Web which is
the tool replacing it has several options for bringing in Word docs with
varying degrees of formatting. It has a spellchecker but not a grammar
checker. Get the public beta and try for yourself.


Cheryl D Wise
MS MVP FrontPage
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Online instructor led training http://starttoweb.com


-Original Message-
From: Conyers, Dwayne  

I typically use Microsoft Word's built-in spelling and grammar checkers.
Not that I am so grammatically challenged (them what ran the schoolhouse
learned me how to talk correct), but some little "glitches" may escape
the eyeball test.

The only problem is that dropping text into Word adds a lot of "garbage"
when you cut and paste it into web parts or other HTML editors.  Would
be nice if the upcoming tool that is to be the next generation of
FrontPage has spelling and grammar checking.  Of course, I'm sure
Microsoft will find a way to add junk to your code using that tool as
well.


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Re: [wdvltalk] Site review - and grammar

2006-10-27 Thread Portman 

LOL. Or psycho therapist?

Riva

Conyers, Dwayne wrote:

Reminds me of the old Benny Hill gag where he painted a sign on a
sliding door for "Therapist."  When he opened the sliding door, it said,
"The rapist."


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RE: [wdvltalk] Site review - and grammar

2006-10-27 Thread Conyers, Dwayne 
Also Spracht Portman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> * Who Represents?, a database for agencies to the rich and famous:
> www.whorepresents.com 
> 
> * Experts Exchange, a knowledge base for programmers:
> www.expertsexchange.com 
> 
> * Looking for a pen? Look no further than Pen Island:
> www.penisland.net 
> 
> * Mole Station Native Nursery:
> www.molestationnursery.com


Reminds me of the old Benny Hill gag where he painted a sign on a
sliding door for "Therapist."  When he opened the sliding door, it said,
"The rapist."


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RE: [wdvltalk] Site review - and grammar

2006-10-27 Thread Conyers, Dwayne 
Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wroted:

> > From: "Portman"
> > 
> > 
> > I do find, in general, that a lot of people today have no 
> > idea about good spelling and good grammar, but maybe 
> > that's just me. 
> > :-)
> >
> > Riva


> No, Riva, it is not just you!!!   Both drops in education 
> standards and freedom for more people to have their words
> seen has increased the incidences of what makes the 
> grammatically pernickety cringe;   I am starting to develop 
> a thicker hide ;-), but 'lose' and 'loose' still make me 
> scream...


I typically use Microsoft Word's built-in spelling and grammar checkers.
Not that I am so grammatically challenged (them what ran the schoolhouse
learned me how to talk correct), but some little "glitches" may escape
the eyeball test.

The only problem is that dropping text into Word adds a lot of "garbage"
when you cut and paste it into web parts or other HTML editors.  Would
be nice if the upcoming tool that is to be the next generation of
FrontPage has spelling and grammar checking.  Of course, I'm sure
Microsoft will find a way to add junk to your code using that tool as
well.


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Re: [wdvltalk] Site review - and grammar

2006-10-27 Thread Portman 
My boss did a blog post on how people don't read what they "write" 
sometimes:


* Who Represents?, a database for agencies to the rich and famous:
www.whorepresents.com 

* Experts Exchange, a knowledge base for programmers:
www.expertsexchange.com 

* Looking for a pen? Look no further than Pen Island:
www.penisland.net 

* Mole Station Native Nursery:
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Peter MacGregor wrote:

Ross you left out one of my favourites (sob)

You, Ewe and Yew!!

(Now all three of them can get back to work!)

I assume Ross, you have read that great little book by Lynne Truss 
entitled "Eats Shoots and Leaves"? Covers punctuation and grammar in 
depth but is easily read and very amusing.


The title (for those that don't know it) comes from the story of the 
Panda that walked into a bar, ordered a drink, downed it, took out a 
pistol and fired three shots into the air before turning around and 
starting to walk out of the bar.


The barman said "Hey - who the hell are you doing that?"

The Panda replied - "I'm a Panda."

"What's a Panda?" asked the bartender.

"Look it up in your dictionary" replied the Panda.

The barman duly did and there was the entry - "Panda - a large 
bear-like creature native of China that eats, shoots, and leaves"



Just in case anyone is puzzled - and I've come across a few that are 
when confronted with that - of course it should have read -


"Panda - a large bear-like creature native of China that eats shoots 
and leaves"


Punctuation makes all the difference!

Have a good weekend folks!

Peter MacGregor


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Re: [wdvltalk] Site review - and grammar

2006-10-27 Thread Peter MacGregor 

Ross you left out one of my favourites (sob)

You, Ewe and Yew!!

(Now all three of them can get back to work!)

I assume Ross, you have read that great little 
book by Lynne Truss entitled "Eats Shoots and 
Leaves"? Covers punctuation and grammar in depth 
but is easily read and very amusing.


The title (for those that don't know it) comes 
from the story of the Panda that walked into a 
bar, ordered a drink, downed it, took out a 
pistol and fired three shots into the air before 
turning around and starting to walk out of the bar.


The barman said "Hey - who the hell are you doing that?"

The Panda replied - "I'm a Panda."

"What's a Panda?" asked the bartender.

"Look it up in your dictionary" replied the Panda.

The barman duly did and there was the entry - 
"Panda - a large bear-like creature native of 
China that eats, shoots, and leaves"



Just in case anyone is puzzled - and I've come 
across a few that are when confronted with that - 
of course it should have read -


"Panda - a large bear-like creature native of 
China that eats shoots and leaves"


Punctuation makes all the difference!

Have a good weekend folks!

Peter MacGregor



At 16:09 27/10/2006, you wrote:

your and you're
there, their and they're
lose and loose

and my personal favourite: incorrect 
apostrophe's just like that, especially when referring to plurals of acronyms.


LDMs, PS2s, PCs not LDM's PS2's and PC's - where is the ownership in that???

So add me to the cynical club lol. My grammar 
isn't amazing (I still have some problems with 
punctuation like the use of semi-colons and the 
such) but I never thought apostrophes were all that difficult...


That being said, the people that annoy me aren't 
the grammatically lazy, it's the really picky 
ones who go red-faced on me when they're 
actually wrong...I hold no stock in the opinion 
of people who can't tell the difference between 
quotation marks and double primes ;-)




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Re: [wdvltalk] Site review - and grammar

2006-10-27 Thread Ross Clutterbuck 

your and you're
there, their and they're
lose and loose

and my personal favourite: incorrect apostrophe's just like that, especially 
when referring to plurals of acronyms.


LDMs, PS2s, PCs not LDM's PS2's and PC's - where is the ownership in that???

So add me to the cynical club lol. My grammar isn't amazing (I still have 
some problems with punctuation like the use of semi-colons and the such) but 
I never thought apostrophes were all that difficult...


That being said, the people that annoy me aren't the grammatically lazy, 
it's the really picky ones who go red-faced on me when they're actually 
wrong...I hold no stock in the opinion of people who can't tell the 
difference between quotation marks and double primes ;-)




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Re: [wdvltalk] Site review - and grammar

2006-10-27 Thread Portman 
I remember seeing a sign for a garage sale that said "GARAGE SELL".  A 
pet peeve of mine is "your" and "you're".


P.S. My father always told me never to use a preposition to end a 
sentence with! ;-)


Riva

Joseph Harris wrote:
No, Riva, it is not just you!!!   Both drops in education standards 
and freedom for more people to have their words seen has increased the 
incidences of what makes the grammatically pernickety cringe;   I am 
starting to develop a thicker hide ;-), but 'lose' and 'loose' still 
make me scream...


Joeph


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Re: [wdvltalk] Site review - and grammar

2006-10-27 Thread Joseph Harris 

From: "Portman"


I do find, in general, that a lot of people today have no idea
about good spelling and good grammar, but maybe that's just me. 
:-)


Riva


No, Riva, it is not just you!!!   Both drops in education 
standards and freedom for more people to have their words seen 
has increased the incidences of what makes the grammatically 
pernickety cringe;   I am starting to develop a thicker hide ;-), 
but 'lose' and 'loose' still make me scream...


Joeph 



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